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As far as nightlife in both cities, i still think Houston's scene is more visible.

LMAO. . .Where? and as compared to what area(s) in Dallas? I'm tired of people with limited to no experience inside DFW and/or outside Greater Houston contrasting the two. Most of the time I just read the posts quietly, without responding, because some of the stuff stated is so absurd that I decide to give the poster a "pass" because of the comic relief value of the post. However, in this case, I have to call bulls#*&. tierwestah I can respect the fact that you are just stating your opinion. However, next time you come to Dallas, pm me or something, and if you think you're up to it, I'll show you what nightlife is really all about. Take it from someone who PARTIES in both Dallas and Houston every month (from Southpark to Galleria Area to Midtown to Downtown to the Northside). . .Houston's got some catching up to do. You just need the right tourguide next time.

(BTW, Houston Convention & Visitors Bureau don't sound that bad at all I'm only questioning what Houston and Dallas are going to pursue prior to the Olympics other than national events)

I'm glad that you may be considering the GHCVB, because I was serious. I didn't really mean any harm with my last post. I really feel that someone with as much interest in seeing events/exposure for Houston (and undoubtedly you do by evidence of your creation/participation in threads regarding Superbowl, World Cup, Olympics, Real World, TV Shows filmed in Houston, etc, etc, etc.) should apply that energy in places where it will really matter. I think the Convention & Visitors Bureau would be a good fit for someone like you. . .seriously.

Great, another "Houston isn't good enough" thread! DJV Lawrence, I say this with the most sincerity. . .you should apply for a job with the Houston Convention & Visitors Bureau. I mean, if you really would like to see all of these events come to Houston, you should put forth all of that energy towards an agency whose job it is to do exactly that. All of this time/energy being wasted on this message board, over and over again, in thread after thread is not going to produce any positive result. I'm sure 1) the people over at the Convention & Visitors bureau would welcome someone with your enthusiasm, 2) you will feel more fulfilled, and 3) the City of Houston will be better of for your contribution. It's time to put up or shut up, now.

If you two (TheNiche AftonAg) don't have anything else to add to this discussion, other than your pissing contest, may I suggest you pm each other, and spare the rest of us who want to focus on substantive issues affecting the line. Thanks in advance.

The Cowboys learned a valuable lesson yesterday. . .When you play like the Houston Texans, you lose.

I guess some should not only learn the distinctions between the words "city" and "metro," but respect their definitions.

I've had to deal with Jordy on a few occasions. Was he becoming complacent with his job, and taking things for granted? One could make that argument. However, I don't know if getting rid of him was a smart move. At any rate, he seems to be taking it all in stride.

"It's a wonderful thing for them to let me continue to work with those whom I have had personal relationships with and be a point of contact for clarification on things that I have been involved in," Tollett said. Until then, GHCVB Chairman Doug Horn and Chairman Emeritus Don Henderson will coordinate day-to-day operations at the bureau.

Quoted from http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/sto...tml?jst=b_ln_hl

I know Don Henderson is a good man, and I feel confident that as long as he's involved in the process, the GHCVB should land on its feet.

Just for clarification's sake. . .All of this talk about Richmond Avenue leave's me scratching my head. What exactly is on Richmond other than Sam's Boat/Place, Dave & Buster's, a strip club behind a car wash, and some place called "The Main Event?" I know Richmond used to be filled with lots of bars and restaurants (circa 1990-98), however that's not the case anymore. With very few exceptions, that whole area (Richmond AND Westheimer between Sage and Sam Houston Tollway) is really only home to a number of strip clubs, a dangerous night club ("Roxy") and a lot of C Class restaurants. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

If I really wanted to carry this argument onward, I could just turn it around and claim that the pro-rail folks only use the term light rail instead of streetcar because the connotation makes their hugely expensive transit systems sound vastly more durable and useful. But then we'd just be stuck on a meaningless little bit of semantics, and I just don't want to go there. Not worth my time and patience.

lolol. . .then why is so much of this thread comprised of posts from you? "Light Rail" is referred to as such because it is an industry-specific term that distinguishes it from "Heavy Rail!" Go look both of them up, then post the definitions of both here. . .then we can end the discussion. The bottom line is that no one uses the term "light rail" because it sounds cool, or futuristic, or because he/she is trying to make an "expensive transit system sound vastly more durable and useful." Do us all a favor, and discontinue the arguing just for argument's sake. IMHO, it's adding little to no value to this discussion.

DART Rail Sparks yet more Transit Oriented Development (TOD)

Intangible benefits like TOD can't be ignored when considering rail construction/expansion.

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...ne.bc65f57.html

Work will start this month on the first phase of the 33-acre retail and mixed-use complex.

Park Lane project planned

12:17 PM CST on Thursday, December 14, 2006

By STEVE BROWN / The Dallas Morning news

Houston-based PM Realty Group said Thursday that it has formed a partnership with a Chicago investor to develop three residential buildings in a North Dallas project.

PM Realty Group has been working with Harvest Partners on the development of the 33-acre Park Lane retail and mixed-use complex at North Central Expressway and Park Lane.

Houston-based PM Realty Group said Thursday that it has formed a partnership with a Chicago investor to develop a three-building residential complex at North Central Expressway and Park Lane.

Work will start this month on the first phase: a 20-story tower with 62 residences and a 15-story tower with 218 homes. An adjoining four-story building will have 45 loft apartments.

The developers plan to have the first homes ready in summer 2008.

The combination of the residential buildings, retail and DART's adjoining light rail station " will make Park Lane one of the most desirable places to live in Dallas," PM Realty president Rick V. Kirk said in a statement. . . .

Niche, are you an economist? Or do you just really know your stuff?

I can't answer the first part of your question. However, the second part is definetly no.

Not only do I stand by my statements (in part because The Nicheagreed with much of my post, albeit he tried to split hairs in a pitiful attempt to prove his original point), but I challenge The Niche to provide us with one (1) historical example of a city that has constructed its system, as we know it today, all at once. . .which is what I believe he's suggesting METRO should wait (10 to 15 years?) to do. Now, if every other transit authority, in the USA/world built successful rail systems contrary to The Niche's proposed model, then guess who I'm going to side with. AND Finally, for all that read this post. . .look at my post and then look at the Niche's post, then ask yourself which one makes more sense, and takes less effort, words to explain. In my line of work, we have a saying. . .if you have to do to much explaining, you're loosing the argument (because it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to tell us the Sky is Bl ue when we can look up and see that the sky is Blue). . .Make sense?

I do not believe that you need statistical proof of Austin's growing popularity (post-rr). If I am the only one who notices how much more often the city recieves mention in the national media and travel promos, then I am paying attention to the wrong sources.

What you're stating here is a bit different from the portion of your earlier comment that I quoted and responded to. Your statement that I quoted in post #16 seemed to suggest that Austin's growing popularity was strengthened due to the "Real World Austin." In the statement above, you just state that Austin has a growing popular image. You and I agree on that much. However, I disagree with you that the series "The Real World Austin" helped make Austin popular. IMHO, Austin was already popular. . .which is why there was ever a "Real World Austin" to begin with.

In fact, Austin has a growing positive reputation, the show sure did help.

Could you point us in the direction of the study, surveys, or other statistical data that support your statement? Thanks in advance.

However, I do agree with you that light rail, by virtue of its high cost, places it near the bottom of the list of transit options that should be utilized, and that it will only become worth its cost much further down the road.

In your theater of the mind, when will that be?

If state/city/METRO planners adopted your rationale, there would be little to no point in ever building another rail or road. Construction costs for these things rise over time. The longer you wait, the more expensive it gets. Not the reverse. This is due to supply and demand issues, as well as currency/property valuation issues. The excuse you provide for not building a rail alternative is, IMHO, misplaced. Had METRO began to build its rail system back during the Whitmire administration (over a quarter century ago), and continue with expansion through today, it would have cost far less than what it will eventually end up costing to build a system today. Additionally, the City would probably have an impressive system that would provide real alternatives for travel between many of the City's business centers, entertainment destinations, densely populated areas, and airports. Does rail cost? Sure it does. However, it is an investment we make now so that future generations of Houstonians and visitors will have an efficient transportation option that will increase their quality of life while in the City. The price we pay today, will be diminished over time as the system grows.

Enough with the "Why can't Houston Get (Host) One" garbage, already! Why are soooooooooooooo many people in this forum sooooooooooooooooo concerned about how many Superbowls, World Cups, Music Conventions, television shows, etc, etc. are in held in Houston? Seriously, to me it screams "Hey world look at us, please, please, please look at us. . .we're Houstonians, and we're cool too. . .please validate us!" Do you really think a "Real World Houston" is going to make any difference at all in outsiders' perception of this city?

You people are so small town minded! You all need to come to Bryan/College Station and let real city folk run Houston. You guys act like citizens of small towns and you are making your city look really stupid. There must be something in the water down there because a lot of stupid decisions have been coming out of Houston latley:

Houston Texans: Pick Mario Williams orver Reggie Bush & Vince Young

Major Projects announced: Pretty much no results

METRO: Changing rail plan in to some goddamb guided busses

And the list goes on. To me Houston is run like a small town with lots of people in it. I use to be a big city of Houston fan as many of you know because I have been a part of this fourm since the begining (have not been around here much latley), but now I am a fan of cities with progress that you can see: Dallas & Austin to name a few!

Couldn't have said it better, myself!

Reread all that i have written and explain how your comment makes sense.

I'm sure it will be much more interesting/entertaining for you to explain to us how my comment doesn't make sense.

Again, i believe the people of Europe are envious of our ability to own and operate automobiles cheaply. How many 16 year olds that you know of in Europe, own automobiles? My guess will be non. . .

. . .as if that (ownership and operation of a car) were the end all, be all, of life!!! I have a different belief. I believe that an unequivocal majority of people who grow up in a society that places a minimal importance on the ownership and operation of a car, don't have near as much envy as you'd like to think they have of you and/or any of your kids who may be of car-driving age.

The Houston Chronicle has geniuses on its staff, too. Take a look.

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It's Christmas in December, draft critics

By RICHARD JUSTICE

Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Can you imagine what Sunday is going to be like for Bob McNair? Uncomfortable doesn't even begin to describe it.

If you're angry about all the things the Texans have done wrong, if you'd like to let them know how you feel, this is the week for you.

It's a referendum on the Texans. That's what Vince Young's return to his hometown amounts to.

It can't be anything else. If the Texans were winning or if there were some sense they're headed in the right direction, Vince's return wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

You're going to hear people say they're going to Reliant Stadium on Sunday to cheer for Vince. That's only partly true.

Many of them are going to cheer Vince only because doing so will remind the Texans how badly they blew it on draft day. . .

See rest of the article here.

I want to know why 19514 is SOOOOOOOOO angry. These are just words on an electronic message board. Let me suggest to 19514 that there are places you can go for that.

Uh oh, Gary's resorting to name calling. This thread (or Gary) is getting out of control (just watch his response to this post). It's time to shut this thread down.

Reggie Bush had a "breakout game" yesterday, including 4 touchdowns, and Vince Young won his 5th out of his last 7 games as a starter, in which he provides the Titans with the team's second straight, come-from-behind, 4th quarter victory.

The egg on the Texans' faces is starting to harden.

After 41 pages of commentary, can someone answer the following questions for me?

1. Has the alignment for this line been determined yet?

2. Has a date certain been announced for the groundbreaking of this line?

IMHO, this topic is silly. Let me ask a question to all of you who have thrown out all sorts of neighborhoods/suburbs in response to this thread topic question. Just what are the elements of good minority neighborhood (i.e. can I get copies of the Houston Defender at my local grocer)? I think you all would have to come to a consensus on the criteria before you could decide which neighborhood is the "best" one. Personally, I don't think this group could ever decide on much of anything, much less a set of standard criteria for this topic. That's why, IMHO, this thread is silly.

If you think the Cowboys are going to the Super Bowl, your living on Mars.

If you think the Texans will reach .500, you should get your head out of Uranus.