Some points: - State-Thomas is the Uptown neighborhood everyone is referring to that recieved the TIF in the late 80s. Its what many think of when they think Uptown Dallas. - Uptown consists of main areas: Lo-Mac(Crescent area), Victory, State-Thomas, McKinney Ave Corridor, Quadrangle/gallery area and West Village area. Each have sizeable populations and actually compete against each other. Yes, Uptown became Uptown again in the 80s. The name however dates back to Freeman's Uptown North Dallas. in 1873. Uptown's Competition - Uptown has a ton of competition in the metroplex. Consider that: Knox Park has probably 3 or 4 times as many townhomes as Uptown in a similar sized area as is building more of them. Bryan Place is quickly catching up as well. - Turtle Creek has more residential high rises than Uptown. Las Colinas has one, Far North Dallas has 2, and Preston Center has 4. Even Oak Cliff is renovating one. Uptown currently has 2 open residential high rises, but will have 4 by April and several by 2007. Their biggest competition is Downtown and Turtle Creek. And that is a ton of competition. Especially considering downtown is in a conversion boom and even broke ground on a new tower yesterday. - Urban type villages full of Post and Gables type properties like the West Village State-Thomas are all over the metroplex. Mockingbird Station, Bryan Place, Farmers Market, Legacy Town Center, Addison Square East Side Village, now Las Colinas, Southlake Town Center, Frisco Square, Austin Ranch and Sundance are all direct competitiors, marketing to the same demographics. Uptown simply has beat them to the punch and does it better. - Even newcomers will provide the next competition. Look out for The Cedars, Park Lane Place, Farmer's Branch Town Center and the fill-out of Las Colinas. competition is not a problem at all - Lots of new hotels in Dallas were mentioned. This is working because these aren't huge 1,000 room hotels. They are "only in Dallas" or "only one in Texas" type boutiques with much fewer rooms. In most cases they are coupled with residences. The Mansion on Turtle Creek is smaller and has 3 residential towers with another hoping to break ground soon. The Ritz-Carlton will have like 100 rooms with 70 residences. The ZaZa is very small with condos attached. The Stoneleigh is already pretty small and will add residential. The W have a small unique portion of hotel with residential on top and another attached tower. These are all niche hotels as opposed to the behemoths downtown like the Hyatt Reunion and Adam's Mark. That's why many here fear the 1200 room behemoth the City wants to attach to the convention center. Nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4 smaller attached boutiques with incredible service would work much better. Anyways, back to the Houston stuff. Just wanted to clear that all up.