Tumbleweed_Tx Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 http://www.click2houston.com/news/chevron-to-cut-close-to-1000-jobs-in-houston/34404818 I think we can say this is on indefinite hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 http://www.click2houston.com/news/chevron-to-cut-close-to-1000-jobs-in-houston/34404818I think we can say this is on indefinite hold.Not directly related, but oil prices need to go up a bit to get some real estate moving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2015/07/28/chevron-axes-houston-jobs.html As others have stated, there's no way this tower is happening anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 How many employees will Chevron have left in San Ramon? Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2015/07/28/chevron-axes-houston-jobs.htmlThe article says "as early as next year". As others have stated, there's no way this tower is happening anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2015/07/28/chevron-axes-houston-jobs.htmlThe article says "as early as next year".As others have stated, there's no way this tower is happening anytime soon. Of course the article says that. Again, that was in March when things were looking better. It looked like the price was improving then. Am I the only person following the staggering amount of supply? Texas is going to hit record production this year since the 70s and the demand just still isn't there. The global economy just doesn't need this amount of supply right now so the price is obviously going to go lower, thus affecting the oil industry more in this city. Are lay offs and budgets cuts not obvious that this tower will not be built even close to a year from now? I still think this tower will get built but I think this forum needs to start getting more realistic. Months ago people on this forum criticized swtsig, me and others when we said it's obvious that these projects are going to get delayed. What do we see more often now? Delay after delay, with very few starts compared to 2013 and 2014. We'll still see new projects but nothing close to the rate we saw those years. I'm sorry for sounding so negative. I love this city and it's future is so bright.... but I truly believe we need to be realistic here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 It may be a sign that the HQ may move. That'd save money and may even be a reason to expand here. Perhaps not with this tower...but you have to think that this is now a more realistic possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Of course the article says that. Again, that was in March when things were looking better. It looked like the price was improving then. Am I the only person following the staggering amount of supply? Texas is going to hit record production this year since the 70s and the demand just still isn't there. The global economy just doesn't need this amount of supply right now so the price is obviously going to go lower, thus affecting the oil industry more in this city.Are lay offs and budgets cuts not obvious that this tower will not be built even close to a year from now? I still think this tower will get built but I think this forum needs to start getting more realistic. Months ago people on this forum criticized swtsig, me and others when we said it's obvious that these projects are going to get delayed. What do we see more often now? Delay after delay, with very few starts compared to 2013 and 2014. We'll still see new projects but nothing close to the rate we saw those years.I'm sorry for sounding so negative. I love this city and it's future is so bright.... but I truly believe we need to be realistic here.Triton, I value your contributions to this site as much as swtsig. So let me ask you this. Would constructing this tower during the price slump, and lowered construction costs (future), not be beneficial and make more sense in the long run? I know entire industries exist off of the big oil companies. Leasing space, leasing equipment, leasing land, even leasing head counts. What kind of numbers are we looking at? What is the current price of the space leased versus the price of owning the building? How long is the lease for? Do these companies experience less overall costs when renting? Are those savings short term or long term? Would building this tower after the market has cooled be more cost effective than renting space in an inflated, and deflated market? Does Chevron plan to move all operations out of California and into Texas (we may not know for a while), but how much less taxes/expenses are they paying here than on the west coast? Do those numbers factor in building a new skyscraper to accommodate the necessary office space? I know you may not have the direct answer to all, if any of those questions... But know that my curiosity comes from wanting to know facts rather than a dreamt up fantasy of wanting a shiny new tower, and short term oil prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Iranian production will be coming to the market soon with a lift of sanctions. The Saudis show no sign of slowing their oil production (and probably wouldn't want to benefit the Iranians anyways). The HQ move has been often discussed, but current leadership at Chevron has shown no desire to move from San Ramon. With profits falling and shareholders unhappy, Chevron leadership would have a harder time justifying this project right now. Two or three years from now we might see higher prices again (hopefully in response to more robust demand). And we also just might get new decisionmakers at the top of Chevron who might be more amenable to dumping the Bay Area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Triton, I value your contributions to this site as much as swtsig. So let me ask you this. Would constructing this tower during the price slump, and lowered construction costs (future), not be beneficial and make more sense in the long run? I know entire industries exist off of the big oil companies. Leasing space, leasing equipment, leasing land, even leasing head counts.What kind of numbers are we looking at? What is the current price of the space leased versus the price of owning the building? How long is the lease for? Do these companies experience less overall costs when renting? Are those savings short term or long term? Would building this tower after the market has cooled be more cost effective than renting space in an inflated, and deflated market?Does Chevron plan to move all operations out of California and into Texas (we may not know for a while), but how much less taxes/expenses are they paying here than on the west coast? Do those numbers factor in building a new skyscraper to accommodate the necessary office space?I know you may not have the direct answer to all, if any of those questions... But know that my curiosity comes from wanting to know facts rather than a dreamt up fantasy of wanting a shiny new tower, and short term oil prices. You raise good points. There's so many factors into what the company's next move is. Let me just say this... it doesn't make sense for them to spend billions of dollars when they are trying to save billions of dollars. Companies are like people... do most people spend a significant amount of money when there's a slump or do they wait it out until the market improves? Perhaps that all depends on how much Chevron is willing to risk in building it sooner. But anyway, the writing on the wall cannot be any clearer. Chevron was hoping the market would improve, it didn't. It had to make a tough decision and it laid off hundreds of contractors, regular employees, etc. Montrose1100, I would be absolutely glad if I was wrong and this tower started early next year. But we're talking about massive budget cuts here... there's no room for a multi-billion dollar tower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanize713 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 The decision to build or delay this tower will occur in the summer of 2016. It has been that way since early 2015 after 6 months of sliding oil prices. Some can hope for the best and others can think the worst but the decision regardless won't be made for almost a year from now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrLan34 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) http://fuelfix.com/blog/2015/07/28/chevron-to-cut-1500-jobs-including-almost-1000-in-houston/#34195101=0 Chevron to cut 950 jobs in Houston, 1,500 companywide Chevron previously had nixed employee growth plans for Houston and halted plans in late 2013 to build a 50-story downtown office tower. Chevron had previously said the tower was being delayed until at least 2016. “Chevron does not anticipate final approvals for a new office building in Houston in the near term,” Ritchie added. “We remain committed to the new building, however we continue to exercise strong capital discipline when assessing and prioritizing investments. Edited July 29, 2015 by DrLan34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Not good news! I think it is dead just like 5 Allen Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 How about we just wait for 12 months, see what the health of the oil industry is and stop speculating on something we have almost no real knowledge over. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I think we should step back a bit and remember that the delay of this tower started December 2013, in the midst of a very strong oil market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFootsSocks Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Yeah ok that's great and all guys but what the hell am I supposed to do with my pitchfork now? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 We have to have patience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 We have to have patience. I think the latest boom we had kind of spoiled us. Back in 2013/2014, we were getting wind of new projects nearly every week. We were checking the downtown development maps for something new every month. Was the boom we saw in the late 70s to early 80s even like that? (Question to older HAIFers). I'll say the samething I said late last year when oil was dropping.... I still think a lot of these projects will move forward, just on a slower time frame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) - Edited July 9, 2019 by Timoric 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I know everyone realizes that since the late 70's early 80's boom we have developed the galleria uptown, The Woodlands, and the energy corridor, not to mention many other areas like Westchase and greens point. All of this construction is so widespread it doesn't seem like the boom that mostly occurred downtown back in the last big boom. Just imagine if Houston wasn't so spread out and you put all of that office construction into downtown. Think about what that would look like. The med center and Downtown would more than likely be continuous with Herman Park in the middle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I think the latest boom we had kind of spoiled us. Back in 2013/2014, we were getting wind of new projects nearly every week. We were checking the downtown development maps for something new every month. Was the boom we saw in the late 70s to early 80s even like that? (Question to older HAIFers). I'll say the samething I said late last year when oil was dropping.... I still think a lot of these projects will move forward, just on a slower time frame. I bet it was. I think that time still stands as the biggest boom for downtown. It wasn't as easy then to hear/see or gain access to plans as it is today, but I'm sure just seeing so many large buildings going up was very exciting. Below is two maps of what was proposed during the 80's. Just as much, if not more was in development -- but much larger, and mostly office space. Many projects listed that most never heard of before. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Neat find. 1000 Main could have been 70+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 80 million square feet in that boom, we had up to 17 million square feet under construction at the height this time, over 3-5 years maybe it did approach the 80, plus much is multifamily not 100 percent office anymore.I read recently that the total Houston area office construction 2010-2016 was 27 million SF, as compared with 80 million in the 80's. Go downtown and look at the buildings that went up then. We are standing on the shoulders of giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 From their earlier report, profits plummeted 90%. Almost 1,000 jobs lost in downtown. http://fuelfix.com/blog/2015/08/17/chevron-gives-notice-to-workers-as-it-prepares-to-cut-950-jobs/#34624101=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astros148 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 with the surplus of Iranian oil this isnt going up anytime soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) - Edited July 9, 2019 by Timoric 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgriff Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I don't believe the article says all the cuts will be downtown. It would make a lot of sense for them to try to consolidate smaller locations around the city into their larger buildings. That's what we're doing. We've already cut two buildings, not only do we reduce payroll, we also reduce real estate costs significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I don't believe the article says all the cuts will be downtown. It would make a lot of sense for them to try to consolidate smaller locations around the city into their larger buildings. That's what we're doing. We've already cut two buildings, not only do we reduce payroll, we also reduce real estate costs significantly.Not all downtown. Most not downtown actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 No doubt this is dead. What will be interesting is to look back at this thread years from now and see how the development changed if something goes up years from now. It may have missed this boom but it *may* resurrect in the future. The same for Capitol Tower and International Tower.It's not always the case but look at 609 Main site. 10 years ago, that was the failed Shamrock Tower. It may have took 10 years but the city got something better in the end thankfully. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdueenginerd Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 A pity the old YMCA building was leveled for a grass lot though... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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