dallasrookie

Yes... really :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Dallas

HOB in Dallas is located right next to Downtown, in the Uptown / Victory Park area. Yes, it's right next to Downtown, it's just not "Downtown". HOB in Houston will be in the MIDDLE of Downtown Houston.

* Yawn *

Even though Houston's Downtown may be more "unproven" than Park Lane Place... I am glad developers are taking a chance on it... b/c even though HP is still being built, new things are already popping up and being planned around it in the middle of Downtown Houston... it's the snowball effect... and it's just getting started!!! > Lost of developments are in the planning stages around Houston in more "proven" places, but Houston Pavilions is so much more exciting b/c it's in the middle of Downtown amid our towering skyscrapers!

I was at the Denver Pavilion couple of weeks ago, nice concept i think what will make Houston Pavilion successful is have retail anchoring the project, like Denver's Project ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Mall ) being the 4th largest city in the US Helps allot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities_in_the_US ).

I think that Dallas Park Lane Place will be successful, simply the amount of money and people located in the Dallas:

Dallas has the top three richest counties in the state ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_locations_by_per_capita_income)

Dallas has, the fourth largest metropolitan are in U.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_metropolitan_area)

Dallas has the 25th richest metropolitan area in the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_areas_of_the_United_States_by_income)

So right now i think its a wash

I hear people talking about Atlanta, NYC, and Chicago how great a city they are. ( In those states what other big name city are located there, (okay i wait *jeopardy theme*, my point exactly)). You can not say the same for Texas (Austin, Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio *3 of the Top Ten largest Cities in the US* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities_in_the_US)

IMO Atlanta as a trend city , and a couple of years people will relocate to Texas. Nice to hear when visiting Atlanta/Other cities and when talking about Dallas and Houston people are interested in moving to Texas. But what i Hate is when they think of Texas, they ask me do I have any cattle or do i have a cowboy hat with boots

I'd say the Dallas project bears more of a resemblance to West Ave., BLVD Place, or the Westcreek/Oaks/River Oaks District more than HP.

Just my dos centavos however.

i disagree here is another picture of the project. its alittle larger than the following project you've mention.

You'll notice that the banner warning at the top of the page says that city-vs-city flame wars are not permitted on HAIF. The fact that you are trying to start a "contest" between two unrelated malls in two cities indicates that is exactly what you are trying to start, especially with a first post. This board isn't here to host Dallas versus Houston comparisons, as has been pointed out about a thousand times. Any post that violates HAIF rules will be deleted.

After reading my first post i said nothing how Dallas is Better then Houston, the post is about comparing two project.

for example if Houston Has a Park Lane Place also Houston Pavilions i would have wanted to see which one will attract more customer, money, excitement.

The two project cover about the same area, cost the same amount, and serve a similar service. So i was wondering which will be successful in 5 years and which one will be a glorified strip mall

A fair comparison will be. Dallas Park Lane Place Vs Houston Pavilions

Which Development will be successful in 5 years, 10 years?

Park Lane Place: http://www.parklanedallas.com/index.cfm?Fu...;PageID=1000048

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DALLAS-A trio of seasoned Dallas developers, flying a relatively new banner, is laying the foundation for a 700,000-sf, mixed-use project with a $100-million-plus price tag as a neighbor to NorthPark Mall. The first news to come from the camp is the hiring of a retail team to promote Park Lane Place.

The project got its start in June with the acquisition of NorthPark East, a trio of office buildings on 15.5 acres adjacent to a DART light-rail station at the junction of Park Lane and North Central. Developer Harvest Partners then slid in T.D. Briggs of Peloton Real Estate Partners in Dallas for office leasing and management. The residential and retail components will go up on a nearby tract, now under negotiation and off limits for details until the deal's done. Real estate sources are pegging the project at $100 million or more.

Harvest Partners picked a "pair of hybrids instead of standard brokerage houses" by hiring Madison Marquette of Washington, DC and Harberg-Masinter Co. of Dallas for pre-development leasing for the retail, Bob Baker, Madison Marquette's SVP and director of leasing for the West Coast, tells GlobeSt.com.

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Besides the 252,000 sf of existing office, the Park Lane Place plan is being primed for upward of 400,000 sf of retail and 300 to 450 residential units that are on the drawing board as "for lease" product, but easily could swing to "for sale" condos, according to Baker. The plan for now is to deliver the project in two stages: spring and fall 2005. The retail contract is in place "basically to take it through the opening of the project," Baker says.

VS

Houston Pavilions: http://www.houstonpavilions.com/home.php

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2571/houstonpavilionstv0.th.jpg

Four city blocks are being transformed into downtown Houston's premiere entertainment, retail and urban office hub. Bounded by Dallas to the north; Polk to the south; Main to the west; and Caroline to the east, Houston Pavilions is a $170 million project encompassing almost 700,000 square feet. Houston Pavilions will include 360,000 square feet of retail space that will occupy the first two levels of the development, with entertainment venues located on the third floor. A central courtyard and people-friendly streetscapes will allow for alfresco dining and window-shopping. The entire second floor of the development will be connected by walkways spanning Fannin St. and San Jacinto St.

Approximately 200,000 square feet of loft office space will be available on the mid-block between Fannin and San Jacinto Streets. Office parking will be provided in the Houston Pavilions garage located on the corner of Main and Polk.Four city blocks are being transformed into downtown Houston's premiere entertainment, retail and urban office hub. Bounded by Dallas to the north; Polk to the south; Main to the west; and Caroline to the east, Houston Pavilions is a $170 million project encompassing almost 700,000 square feet. Houston Pavilions will include 360,000 square feet of retail space that will occupy the first two levels of the development, with entertainment venues located on the third floor.

A central courtyard and people-friendly streetscapes will allow for alfresco dining and window-shopping. The entire second floor of the development will be connected by walkways spanning Fannin St. and San Jacinto St.

Approximately 200,000 square feet of loft office space will be available on the mid-block between Fannin and San Jacinto Streets. Office parking will be provided in the Houston Pavilions garage located on the corner of Main and Polk.

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you already know which one i think will be more successful.