HiRiseObserver

They're just using it as a storage site for building materials for all the other imaginary projects around town.

Its getting to be an awfully big storage facility!

It seems our self-proclaimed insiders may have failed us again. ;-)

Heh.

Fast forward 12 months...

"I drove by today and saw them installing glass panels and a kitchen sink to a 'penthouse' of sorts...I'm not an architect or anything, but this looks like a good sign that this project just might happen"

Fast forward 12 months, 3 hours

The EXPERTS will reply, "Yes, I too am hopeful that this project will get built, but a good measure of skepticism is appropriate on this forum."

I drove by today, April 12th, around 3 p.m. The crane was swinging around and there were guys in the hole with welding masks on -- looked like they had placed a bunch of rebar in the footprint for a concrete pour. I'm not a contractor or an architect, but it looked to me like they are starting to build something there.

Don't believe your eyes. There are people on this board SO much smarter than us who will tell you the steel, crane, workers etc are an illusion.

Saw another load of rebar being delivered this morning at 7:30.

Looked like a dozen steelworkers in the hole.

Others on this website will correct me and tell me this is all an illusion.

Walls of the hole are now gunited and more rebar delivered this am.

Well, like I said, I tend to agree with you on the basis of personal observation. But you mentioned people having an agenda, and forgive me, but I hesitate to trust people who use their very first post on HAIF to make such an accusatory statement. It is also curious that you use the language "the amount of rebar formed on site this week and your estimate on the number of tons of rebar staged". Most folks on the forum just aren't quite as comfortable with construction terminology as you are.

Nothing personal, but I'd rather that there be a general atmosphere of caution, uncertainty, and mistrust on this forum than than blindly-accepted information...especially when there are still a few red flags flying on a subject. Certain uncertainty is good.

So, you agree with me on the basis of your personal observation ("I tend to agree with you on the basis of personal observation"); but you mistrust what you read on this forum (an implied recognition that many here do have agendas); therefore, you mistrust what I write despite the fact that we agree. Ouch! My head hurts. Now I need a drink.

I just posted about what I see every day (try getting around the trucks on Argonne in the mornings). I reread my post and don't see anything curious about my language. Rebar. Site. Stage. Ton. Estimate. Pretty common stuff.

Don't deny what your eyes tells you just because we agree!

I tend to think that you're right and that it will probably end up getting built, but your post begs the question:

How do we know that you don't have an agenda?

My post does not beg a question -- you mean it raises a question. And the answer is, obviously, you don't. So drive by (something I do twice a day) and report back on the amount of rebar formed on site this week and your estimate on the number of tons of rebar staged. Then come back and question my agenda again.

Long time lurker, first time poster.

This project is on its way up. Those who dispute it, either have not seen it lately, or have an agenda.