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Good news^

 

Something about 300ft and 42stories seems a bit off though. Those would be short 7 foot ceilings.haha.  42 should  be closer to 560ft like museum tower or cityplace.

I think he is talking about width (50 feet) and depth (300 feet) of the 42 story tower, not its height.  As the renderings show the tower will be long, thin and tall, probably at least in the 560 foot height range.

I'm very excited for this announcement that is for sure!  This 42 story tower would make a great addition not only to the Dallas skyline itself but to draw new skyscraper development to the City Hall area.  I think the developer is very serious about his proposals and has a great interest in enhancing Downtown Dallas.

Here you go Houston19514:

(note: I miscounted towers under construction as it is 24 not 23)

Downtown Dallas New Construction:

Under Construction, 24 towers:

34 story Residences at Park District residential tower, Trammell Crow
33 story Bleu Ciel residential tower
30 story Katy Station residential tower
25 story Skyhouse Victory Place residential tower
24 story Cinepolis residential tower

23 story 1900 Pearl ("Symphony" Arts District office tower), Lincoln Property (actual height is 362 feet, which is tall for a 23 story building!)
23 story "M" Line Streetlights residential tower
23 story The Jordan residential tower
23 story Ascent 1 residential tower (2 tower complex on shared podium)
21 story Ascent 2 residential tower (2 tower complex on shared podium)
22 story The McKenzie residential tower
22 story Frost Bank office tower
21 story McKinney & Olive mixed use tower
20 story One Uptown residential tower
20 story Park District office tower, Trammell Crow
18 story The Brady residential tower
18 story Hall Arts office tower
17 story The Case Building, Westdale residential tower
14 story 1900 Cedar Springs residential tower
12 story 1920 McKinney office tower
10 story Baylor Hospital hotel

10 story Alexan Skyline
8 story Gables/Whole Foods residential tower
7 story One Harwood, "Rolex" office tower, Harwood International


Groundbreakings imminent, 9 towers:

29 story The Union Dallas residential tower, shared parking podium, 1Q16
Twin 26 story towers, "2000 Ross", J.P.Morgan Chase mixed use towers (hotel and residential, next to Trammell Crow Center), 1Q16
25 story The Union Dallas office tower, 16 stories on top of shared parking podium, 1Q16
~25 story Perot office tower, Cedar Springs at Dickson, 3Q16
23 story Hines Victory office tower, Sep. 30, 2015 per FAA schedule (obviously behind published schedule)
20 story Ltd Edition 2505, residential tower, 1Q16
18 story Oliver & Central residential tower, 1Q16
17 story Virgin Hotel, May 2016 2Q16


Planned, 37 towers:

50-100 story Perot Tower
Twin 80 story and twin 60 story towers (4 tower complex near Dallas City Hall), Sarimsakci Development
Harwood Forum complex, Harwood International mixed use towers (3.2 million sq ft of condos, office, hotel, retail):
-- twin ~80-81 story towers (connected by skybridge)
-- ~40-50 story tower
-- ~30 story tower (curvy design)
-- ~30 story Harwood XII office tower
70 story and 60 story residential towers, Pacific Plaza, Sarimsakci Development
50+ story The Lexi mixed use tower, Harwood International
50 story Hall Arts mixed use tower
46 story Cityplace mixed use tower
39 story 2121 Flora Atelier Arts District mixed use tower
39 story South Asian Museum, mixed use tower, Field@Woodall Rodgers Expwy
29 story Hall Arts residential tower
29 story The Oliver residential tower, Harwood International
25 story "Commune & Ilume" mixed use tower (residential & hotel)
24 story Streetlights Hall & Howell residential tower
24 story 2826 No. Harwood office tower, Harwood International
20-25 story Hillwood Urban 1, office tower
20-25 story Hillwood Urban 2, office tower
~20 story Trinity Groves District office tower
19 story "Club Babalu" residential tower
19 story 1640 Edison, Design District office tower
17 story "Old Warsaw" office tower (14 story + ~3 story crown)
~17 story Dream Hotel
15 story Alexan Katy Trail, residential tower
~15 story "The Epic (Union Bankers Life)" mixed use tower
14 story "Pearl" residential tower
Spire Development, mixed use:
-- 30 story hotel
-- 30 story office
-- 21 story office
-- 13 story residential
12 story Two Arts office tower, Lucy Billingsley


Not announced:

Tim Headington holdings (across from The Joule Hotel and across from Fountain Place office tower)
Jack Matthews holdings (old "Dallas High School", Trinity Groves and The Cedars)
Hunt/Woodbine holdings (Reunion/Union Station)
High Speed Rail development (tower or towers mentioned as possible component of HSR complex)

LOL! I just looked at that site, 6 of the "downtown districts" are on sides of downtown where there is no "successful park connection". So yeah.. That just blew a hole in your "downtown area" logic.

I'm not sure there are any towers U/C in downtown Dallas. Uptown definitely has some sort of tall buildings going up. Not sure most of them qualify as a "tower", but that's a whole nother discussion..

Au contraire!

My statement of "Since you can't walk (in Downtown Houston) one block across a freeway via an imminently successful urban park to get from one dense district to another"  is completely on point. 

My reference to walking one block was in response to your statement that the picture I posted was of Uptown, not Downtown.  

Klyde Warren Park seamlessly connects Uptown to the Downtown districts south of it and only requires walking through the park to get from one to the other, roughly one very long city block.

BTW, the picture is an excellent example of how the vibrant organic growth that is occurring in center city Dallas is melding together.  In that picture landmark buildings such as Museum Tower, Chase Tower, Trammel Crow Tower, 2100 Ross, etc. are part and parcel to the overall image.  It shows just how complete the melding of these districts has become.  The only thing separating those towers from all the ones in the foreground is Klyde Warren Park.

Courtesy of TexasStar from Dallas Metropolis

I guess Houston should start calling everything inside the 610 loop "downtown"..

Google "downtown Dallas". The info graph at the top of the page clearly says this..

"Downtown Dallas is the Central Business District (CBD) in Dallas, Texas USA, located in the geographic center of the city. The area termed "Downtown" has traditionally been defined as bounded by the downtown freeway loop: bounded on the east by I-345 (although known and signed as the northern terminus of I-45 and the southern terminus of US 75 (Central Expressway), on the west by I-35E, on the south by I-30, and on the north by Spur 366 (Woodall Rodgers Freeway)."

And pardon me, but if I'm not mistaken that picture looks a heck of a lot like Uptown Dallas, not Downtown. Are there any towers U/C in Downtown?

Houston can start calling whatever it wants to call downtown if you wish.  

Since you can't walk one block across a freeway via an imminently successful urban park to get from one dense district to another then however many miles you want to throw into your definition of Downtown Houston is up to you.  

If your definition of everything inside loop 610 is Downtown Houston then you better get into a car and be prepared to drive several miles.  LOL!

Downtown Dallas is comprised of 15 districts, all walkable from one to the other if one wishes.  BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE!  

Yes, there are towers under construction in Downtown Dallas - there are 23 towers under construction in Downtown Dallas with groundbreakings imminent for 9 more, 2 of those 9 imminent towers should start within the week which will bring the total count under construction to 25.  Almost all of the 23 (soon to be 25) have either just started or are only now just beginning to go vertical so within the next 12-18 months there will be an absolute sea of cranes soaring over center city Dallas.

About the same time the cranes start disappearing from Downtown Houston/Midtown/Uptown.

Click on "Get To Know The Districts":

http://www.downtowndallas.com/#/main/home

"Downtown Dallas" is comprised of 15 distinct districts.  Vibrant growth occurring in the city's center long ago spilled over the freeways to enlarge the scope of what is considered downtown.

This has been the official definition of "Downtown Dallas" for some time now:

Reflecting that vibrant growth Woodall Rodgers is now being considered as the new "Main Street": http://www.dallasnews.com/business/columnists/steve-brown/20160107-the-main-drag-for-offices-shifts-north-to-uptown.ece

Wall-to-wall density now stretches on both sides of Woodall Rodgers, growing more dense by the day.  There are no fewer than 23 new towers under construction in Downtown Dallas at this moment with another 9 towers with groundbreakings imminent.  

The density just continues to increase and in this January '16 pic (courtesy of TexasStar on Dallas Metropolis) there are 8 or 9 towers under construction in just this tiny "slice" of Downtown Dallas, including 3 in the pic's foreground.  Another 2 towers are scheduled to break ground this week in the immediate foreground of the image (the two tower Union Dallas complex).

What a cute little building.  But has it shrunk?  I thought it was supposed to be 20 stories.  This looks like it's only 19 stories.

 

No, One Uptown has not shrunk in size.  Nor has it's incredible design changed from when it was announced.  

That's a phenomenon happening in Houston.

This project in downtown Houston keeps shrinking ... and shrinking .... what a cute shrinking little hotel!

First the dramatic change in its design from world class to whatever and now yet another downsizing in its floor count from 25 to 21 to now 20:

Expectations Lowered Another Notch for Rising Hotel Alessandra’s Floor Count

Houston Swamplot, 02-24-16, 10:33am:

http://swamplot.com/expectations-lowered-another-notch-for-rising-hotel-alessandras-floor-count/2016-02-24/

This video  is a year old but is still pretty good:

Downtown Dallas: Forward Momentum

Not good there is a rickle effect.  Oil industry will have a domino effect.  JC Penny has been in a lot of trouble.  Dallas thinks the oil down fall will not hurt them.  IT WILL.!

^^^^^^^

JC Penney's problems have absolutely nothing to do with Dallas (and absolutely nothing to do with the oil downturn that is hitting Houston so hard) but is an issue with retailing in general and certain ones in particular (i.e. Sears is another example).

Here are just a few recent economic headlines for Dallas and its metro over the last 8 weeks alone:

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/2015/12/if-the-dallas-fort-worth-economy-were-its-own.html

Well that's not a total disappointment then.. Though all the planned skyscrapers are dwindling away into high rises.. :/

Still very confusing. No idea why that project is referred to as "JP Morgan Chase" when their offices are being built in Plano..

There was no dwindling of the Downtown Dallas Chase project.  The 40-60 story placeholder was an estimate by me based on the very substantial number of apartments, hotel rooms, retail space, and parking that makes up the project.  The initial project announcement was in August 2015 with released renderings in October 2015 where the actual construction plan for twin towers was announced.  My early guess based on the substantial scale and scope with the August announcement, if contained in one tower, was just that.

Concerning why Chase is building two very substantial projects simultaneously in Downtown Dallas and its suburb of Plano is because Chase has around 12,000 employees in Dallas and its immediate suburbs.  6,000 of those, primarily from offices scattered in various suburban locations, are planned to be relocated to the new one million square foot Chase campus to be built in Plano.  

The Chase project for Downtown Dallas is not an office project but instead mixed use with hotel, apartments, retail, restaurant, and parking.  

Chase will continue to occupy its space in the JPMorgan Chase Tower in Downtown Dallas and The Crescent.  Chase's Downtown Dallas presence is not a part of the Plano move or will only be negligibly affected.  

A quote from Chase:

"Chase officials say its several hundred workers in the downtown Chase Tower won’t be significantly impacted by the office moves to Plano from several suburban locations."

Hope that helps clear up any confusion.

The JP Morgan development in Downtown Dallas across from the Trammel Crow Center is a totally different project than the JP Morgan Chase campus going in Plano  :

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/morning_call/2015/08/jp-morgans-mixed-use-development-adjacent-to.html

The Downtown Dallas JPMorgan development announcement contained so many apartments, condos, and parking that when initially announced it was speculated at the time the tower could reach 40 or more stories tall.  The 40-60 story estimate was made by me based on the information available at the time of the announcement which includes more than 350 apartments, a 227 room hotel, more than 30,000 square feet of retail and restaurant space, and more than 2,000 parking spaces. 

If all of that were included in one building it would easily be more than 50 stories tall.

Since the initial project announcement on 08-12-15, more details for the development along with renderings were released on 10-28-15.  The Downtown Dallas JPMorgan development will be twin 26 story towers instead of one very tall tower:

http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2015/10/first-look-at-new-downtown-dallas-tower-project.html/

The Downtown Dallas JPMorgan development is a totally different project than the Plano campus development.  The first portions in the Downtown Dallas development are scheduled to open the second half of 2017.

I updated my list of new towers in Downtown Dallas to reflect the twin 26 story towers: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=7143152&postcount=42

I'm sure Harwood International will not let the FAA's initial response be the last word on their Forum towers .... they have too much clout and influence in the City and region.  

The Perot site (which has UNLIMITED height available to it) is literally across Woodall Rodgers Freeway a block south from where Harwood Forum will rise.  I honestly think that the regional FAA office (which is based in Ft. Worth) may be letting regional rivalry influence them on some of this because the wording they used for their response was actually pretty awkward and almost hesitant as if to say "no, but if you really want it and push hard to get it it could happen".

Yes, Craig Hall is emerging as a real player Downtown.  And Tim Headington's site next to Fountain Place may end up with something pretty spectacular as well.  And of course Perot's tower would be a solid addition.

Thanks for all the good work you do on this site keeping things updated!  Good job!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/m877/20832610785/

 

 

With a 33 and 30 story U/C and a 34 and 31 proposed as well as all the other 25 stories and under U/C this view is gonna look great in a year or so.

That is a great picture that shows how dense the central core of Downtown Dallas is becoming. And with 21 towers now under construction and another 10 with groundbreakings imminent this same view will be killer in another 2 years. And if we get some of the "big boys" that are planned the cityscape for Downtown Dallas will reach a truly impressive level.

I just updated the list of new towers for Downtown Dallas and the central core that are either under construction, with groundbreakings imminent and those that are planned.

This list is purely new construction and does not include the dozens and dozens of older buildings in Downtown Dallas being repurposed into residential, hotel and upgraded office that is also currently underway. An article in today's Dallas Morning News spoke of the hotel boom underway in Downtown Dallas that is adding thousands of new rooms and many of those hotels are in older buildings that are now being renovated and upgraded.

In my list I've catalogued all new construction projects of which I am aware. In the "Planned" section I have listed all announced projects without giving probability on actual construction (i.e. the Sarimsakci supertalls have been questioned by many - BUT he is following through on development of a couple of other projects in Downtown Dallas that people had voiced doubts over as well). The supertalls that probably have the best chance of development are the Perot Tower and the Harwood Forum towers, but who knows.

Here is the updated list of new construction for Downtown Dallas:

Under Construction, 21 towers:

33 story Bleu Ciel residential tower

30 story Katy Station residential tower

25 story 1900 Pearl ("Symphony" Arts District office tower), Lincoln Property

25 story Skyhouse Victory Place residential tower

23 story "M" Line Streetlights residential tower

23 story The Jordan residential tower

23 story Ascent 1 residential tower (2 tower complex on shared podium)

21 story Ascent 2 residential tower (2 tower complex on shared podium)

22 story The McKenzie residential tower

22 story Frost Bank office tower

21 story McKinney & Olive mixed use tower

21 story One Uptown residential tower

18 story The Brady residential tower

18 story Hall Arts office tower

Twin 17 story towers, The Case Building, Westdale Deep Ellum residential towers

14 story 1900 Cedar Springs residential tower

12 story 1920 McKinney office tower

10 story Baylor Hospital hotel

8 story Gables/Whole Foods residential tower

7 story One Harwood, "Rolex" office tower, Harwood International

Groundbreakings imminent, 10 towers:

34 story Residences at Park District residential tower, Trammell Crow, 1Q16

29 story The Union Dallas residential tower, shared parking podium, 1Q16

25 story The Union Dallas office tower, 16 stories on top of shared parking podium, 1Q16

Twin 25-30 story towers, J.P.Morgan Chase mixed use towers (hotel and residential, next to Trammell Crow Center), before end of year

24 story Cinepolis residential tower, Sep. 1, 2015 per FAA schedule

23 story Hines Victory office tower, Sep. 30, 2015 per FAA schedule

19 story Park District office tower, Trammell Crow, 1Q16

18 story Oliver & Central residential tower, January 2016

17 story Virgin Hotel, May 2016

Planned, 36 towers:

50-100 story Perot Tower

Twin 80 story and twin 60 story towers (4 tower complex near Dallas City Hall), Sarimsakci Development

Harwood Forum complex, Harwood International mixed use towers (3.2 million sq ft of condos, office, hotel, retail):

-- twin ~80-81 story towers (connected by skybridge)

-- ~50-60 story tower

-- ~30 story tower (curvy design)

-- ~30 story Harwood XII office tower

70 story and 60 story residential towers, Pacific Plaza, Sarimsakci Development

50+ story The Lexi mixed use tower, Harwood International

50 story Hall Arts mixed use tower

46 story Cityplace mixed use tower

39 story 2121 Flora Atelier Arts District mixed use tower

39 story South Asian Museum, mixed use tower, Field@Woodall Rodgers Expwy

29 story Hall Arts residential tower

29 story The Oliver residential tower, Harwood International

24 story Streetlights Hall & Howell residential tower

24 story 2826 No. Harwood office tower, Harwood International

20-25 story Hillwood Urban 1, office tower

20-25 story Hillwood Urban 2, office tower

20 story Ltd Edition 2505 residential tower

19 story "Club Babalu" residential tower

17 story "Old Warsaw" office tower (14 story + ~3 story crown)

~17 story Dream Hotel

~16 story 1640 Edison, Design District office tower

~15 story "Union Bankers Life" mixed use tower, Deep Ellum

14 story "Pearl" residential tower, Uptown

Spire Development, mixed use:

-- 30 story hotel

-- 30 story office

-- 21 story office

-- 13 story residential

12 story Two Arts office tower, Lucy Billingsley

Not announced:

Tim Headington holdings (across from The Joule Hotel and across from Fountain Place office tower)

Jack Matthews holdings (old "Dallas High School", West Dallas and The Cedars)

Hunt/Woodbine holdings (Reunion/Union Station)

High Speed Rail development (possible tower or towers as part of HSR complex)

It up to 30 floors tops out to 49 floors with a crown.  The garage is toped out 2 floors underground, 10 above.  There will be a garden on top of the garage.  On the webcam you can see 5 more buildings under construction.  The Marriott Marquis on the right side it top out at 29 floors.  On the let hand side you see The Catalyst by Minute Maid Park it will be 28 floors.  Rental units that will opened last quarter 2016.  Please send some webcams of Dallas.        

I had taken a look at Hines' website last evening and it says it is 48 floors: http://www.609mainattexas.com/

With 30 out of 48 done that is 63% complete.

With that many floors completed so far it must have some tenants already lined up.  How much pre-leasing has occurred for 609 Main?

Glad to amuse you I'm a very funny man, meow!   What is the tallest building under construction in Dallas?  Here 609 Main is rising!  http://oxblue.com/open/Hines/609Main

609 Main is a beautiful building .... how many floors have gone up?  Is it about 50% complete?

Actually two sweeping arches will be seen on the second signature bridge once it is complete, in roughly another year.  The second arch will of course look just like the one in the image but on the opposite side of the bridge.  

The second signature bridge is part of Interstate 30's remake heading into Downtown Dallas, which once completed will have about 22 or so lanes is what I believe I read on Dallas Metropolis awhile back. 

Forbes rated Houston number 1 as the fastest growing city 2015.  Austin number 2 and Dallas number 3, but that might include DFW.  You guys are tied at the hip.

That is an old article from January of this year based on older data from 2014 and earlier.  A lot has happened since that data was collected, like a major oil plunge and all that goes with it, so datapoints collected for the article have lost relevance when looking at what is happening today. 

Dallas at number 3 in the article is Dallas and its metro only; it does not include Ft. Worth/Arlington.  

The graphic in the article states Dallas-Plano-Irving Metro (not DFW MSA):

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emeg45eegeg/3-dallas-texas-2/

Dallas has been leaving Ft. Worth in the dust for some time now.  Ft. Worth has a heavier dependence on energy, and is not as diversified as Dallas, and with the oil downturn Ft. Worth has been suffering.

In the article Houston is listed as Houston-The Woodlands-Sugarland MSA.