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If you're flying these days, keep a close ear on the audio in the movies on board. They've started cutting the word "God" out of movies, even when it's historical footage.

United: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=651694

American: http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=646349

Continental: http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=647983

Another item to paste in your Culture War scrapbook.

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If you're flying these days, keep a close ear on the audio in the movies on board. They've started cutting the word "God" out of movies, even when it's historical footage.

United: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=651694

American: http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=646349

Continental: http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=647983

Another item to paste in your Culture War scrapbook.

This is going overboard! It's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

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If you're flying these days, keep a close ear on the audio in the movies on board. They've started cutting the word "God" out of movies, even when it's historical footage.

United: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=651694

American: http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=646349

Continental: http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=647983

Another item to paste in your Culture War scrapbook.

Good Lord, why did they think that was a good idea? Now we are going to have to listen to Bill O'Reilly go on and on and on and on and on and on.....

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Is anyone really surprised?

And it's happened on all three of those airlines at the same time? That's kinda weird.

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And it's happened on all three of those airlines at the same time? That's kinda weird.

Not so weird for it to happen on multiple airlines at or near the same time. They often use the same company that edits and distributes the movies.

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Wow, I wonder how far America is willing to bend over to remove God from our lexicon? What kind of message does this send to our enemies?

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This is going overboard! It's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

Actually, a lot of the lawsuits you see along these lines are brought or sponsored by an organization out of Madison, Wisconsin called the Freedom From Religion Foundation. I won't link to them here. They don't deserve the PR.

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That organization is basically doing what they are against. They are against having religion thrown at them, or so I assume, but they are more than happy to force or atleast try to force everyone to go their way.

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If you're flying these days, keep a close ear on the audio in the movies on board. They've started cutting the word "God" out of movies, even when it's historical footage.

Another item to paste in your Culture War scrapbook.

Which "God"?

Wow, I wonder how far America is willing to bend over to remove God from our lexicon? What kind of message does this send to our enemies?

You clearly are offended by a capitalistic corporation's decision to censure the content on their product. Were you equally offended that they censured out references to homosexuality?

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Wow, I wonder how far America is willing to bend over to remove God from our lexicon? What kind of message does this send to our enemies?

As long as there are nuts who try to shove it in the wrong places, there will be nuts trying to take it out of the right places. Two nuts don't make a right, but one deserves the other.

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This is going overboard! It's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

I'm not an atheist, but I will take freedom FROM religion at times too. I think cutting it from movies is overboard, but there are times I don't want to hear 'the message'.

Wow, I wonder how far America is willing to bend over to remove God from our lexicon? What kind of message does this send to our enemies?

You're not serious are you? What kinda message does it send to our 'enemies' ...? You really think our enemies (whoever and wherever they are) care if we say God on an airline movie?

I am more concerned about the government protecting me from deadly lettuce and spinach and beef, than Al Qaeda.

Don't get played.

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Which "God"?

You clearly are offended by a capitalistic corporation's decision to censure the content on their product. Were you equally offended that they censured out references to homosexuality?

Probably not. I think that is one word (the shame, the horror of two same-sex people .. in love ...or worse yet ... having sex!) a lot of Americans wish would just go away. I doubt a lot of people would stand up to keep those references.

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Which "God"?

You clearly are offended by a capitalistic corporation's decision to censure the content on their product. Were you equally offended that they censured out references to homosexuality?

I'm sorry, we are speaking of religion here, are we not? Not sexual preference.

In regard to your first statement, yes, I am offended. Thanks for noticing! :D

You're not serious are you? What kinda message does it send to our 'enemies' ...? You really think our enemies (whoever and wherever they are) care if we say God on an airline movie?

Don't get played.

You're the one getting played, if you don't think our enemies (and, um, Al Qaeda is but one of our enemies.) notice news clips like this and use it against us. The more we remove God, the more secular we become. That does not bode well for us. I mean, hell, just look at England, France, and Australia. They are having their share of issues with Muslims demanding Allah be in everything that was once credited to God. No real coincidence there, and we are headed down the same path.

I am more concerned about the government protecting me from deadly lettuce and spinach and beef, than Al Qaeda.

Wow. :blink:

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Wow. :blink:

No kidding...

Where did that quote you replied "wow" to come from?

My friend was flying from LAX or Burbank (can't remember) to Phoenix a couple weeks ago and a muslim man who was on the No Fly list was taken off in cuffs.

I'm sure the govt. is protecting us a lot more than we think.

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They are having their share of issues with Muslims demanding Allah be in everything that was once credited to God.

Allah is arabic for god. Muslims, Jews and Christians share him. You might sound smarter if you studied your cult a little better.

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Allah is arabic for god. Muslims, Jews and Christians share him. You might sound smarter if you studied your cult a little better.

The God of the Bible is not the god of the Koran. In reality, there is one God.

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so what's the George Burns movie called now? Oh, !

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Allah is arabic for god. Muslims, Jews and Christians share him. You might sound smarter if you studied your cult a little better.

Did you seriously call someone's religion a "cult?" Talk about disrespectful. I guess it's ok to disrespect someone's faith but not their sexual preference? Sounds hypocritical to me.

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Did you seriously call someone's religion a "cult?" Talk about disrespectful. I guess it's ok to disrespect someone's faith but not their sexual preference? Sounds hypocritical to me.

I don't know if by defenition the Muslim Religion is a cult, but if it fits the definition, it is what it is. It's not being judgmental or belittling it.

Answers.com:

  1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
  2. The followers of such a religion or sect.

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not to take away from the socio-religio-political talk going on... :blush:

but censorship is just plain BAD

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Did you seriously call someone's religion a "cult?" Talk about disrespectful. I guess it's ok to disrespect someone's faith but not their sexual preference? Sounds hypocritical to me.

Yes I did. A cult-or faith if you choose to use that term-is choosen. Sexual orientation is not.

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Did you seriously call someone's religion a "cult?" Talk about disrespectful. I guess it's ok to disrespect someone's faith but not their sexual preference? Sounds hypocritical to me.

That's his S.O.P.

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I thought they only edited out the word when it was used in "vain." Like "OH GOD!" As NOT to offend those of a religious nature.

Editing as they would curse words. They have done that for years.........yet they leave ass and krap in. Go figure.

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The God of the Bible is not the god of the Koran. In reality, there is one God.

Reasoning does not compute. If the god of the bible is not the god of the koran, there would be at least two gods, Therefore, there is more than one god.

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I don't know if by defenition the Muslim Religion is a cult, but if it fits the definition, it is what it is. It's not being judgmental or belittling it.

Answers.com:

  1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
  2. The followers of such a religion or sect.

Hmmm when i look at answers.com it says......

Mus

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Hmmm when i look at answers.com it says......

Mus

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Reasoning does not compute. If the god of the bible is not the god of the koran, there would be at least two gods, Therefore, there is more than one god.

The Muslim God is not the same as the Jewish/Christian G-D. For Jews and Christians, we follow the G-D of Abraham-Isaac and Jacob.

I think it is silly to remove the word from films.

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Reasoning does not compute. If the god of the bible is not the god of the koran, there would be at least two gods, Therefore, there is more than one god.

When I said in reality, I meant in real life; in actuality. Of course those are my beliefs based off unrelative, absolute truth.

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The Muslim God is not the same as the Jewish/Christian G-D. For Jews and Christians, we follow the G-D of Abraham-Isaac and Jacob.

I think it is silly to remove the word from films.

Therefore there is more than one god.

I agree it is silly but like I say, one nut begets another.

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That post I made was trash. I shouldn't have submitted it. I didn't mean to call Islam a cult. I was just saying, if any belief fits the definition, it is one. And it's just calling it what it is.

i think you just did it again.

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Therefore there is more than one god.

I agree it is silly but like I say, one nut begets another.

Christianity believes there is one God. The God described in the Bible is not the same God described in the Koran.

I could believe that the leg of a chair is god, but it's not. So just because someone believes that someone or something else is god, doesn't mean that there is in actuality more than one God. A Muslim might say that they worship the same god, even some Christians might say it's the same god, but a conservative Christian who studies the Bible closely will not say Muslims and Christians worship the same god.

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Christianity believes there is one God. The God described in the Bible is not the same God described in the Koran.

I could believe that the leg of a chair is god, but it's not. So just because someone believes that someone or something else is god, doesn't mean that there is in actuality more than one God. A Muslim might say that they worship the same god, even some Christians might say it's the same god, but a conservative Christian who studies the Bible closely will not say Muslims and Christians worship the same god.

the thing is, no one will ever know any of this.

after a gazillion years of debates, i'm sure it gets tiring, though!

again, censorship=bad

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the thing is, no one will ever know any of this.

after a gazillion years of debates, i'm sure it gets tiring, though!

again, censorship=bad

everyone will know at the point of death.

For our knowledge, why do you think censorhip is bad? Any kind of censorship?

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Maybe I missed something in all the ranting above, but did anyone actually post the real story?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/...d.ap/index.html

Overzealous censor edits 'God' out of 'Queen'

Even in these politically correct times, censoring references to God in the film was not a statement of some kind. Rather, it was the mistake of an overzealous and inexperienced employee for a California company that edits movies selected for onboard entertainment.

And no, the airlines don't necessarily review every tape that is passed to them from the Inflight production studios, which is why the problem movie appeared on multiple carriers at the same time.

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Maybe I missed something in all the ranting above, but did anyone actually post the real story?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/...d.ap/index.html

Overzealous censor edits 'God' out of 'Queen'

Even in these politically correct times, censoring references to God in the film was not a statement of some kind. Rather, it was the mistake of an overzealous and inexperienced employee for a California company that edits movies selected for onboard entertainment.

And no, the airlines don't necessarily review every tape that is passed to them from the Inflight production studios, which is why the problem movie appeared on multiple carriers at the same time.

Wow, sources really do help. Shame on us, really.

I just can't believe someone actually complained, as if they were offended that it was not said, even if "God bless you" was left out. I just would have shrugged, thought that was weird, and lived.

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Go read about Ishmael in the Book of Genesis. Then go read about Ishmael in the Qur'an. Then go read about Ishmael in the Torah. Read about his father Abraham and Ishmael's mother who was the slave of Abraham's wife. Read about Issac. Read about this adultorous and disfunctional family that ultimatly bred Islam. You may find out that all three religions worship the same god.

Then we can have an intelligent discussion. Perhaps CDeb, music and parrot can band together and form The Cult of the Uninformed.

BTW, as I stated before Cdeb so ineloquently made his snarky post, religion is a choice-sexual orientation is not. If stating the facts is my S.O.P.-I accept.

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The censor was told to edit out all profanities -- including any blasphemy -- for the version of the movie distributed to Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines, Air New Zealand, and other carriers.

So the new censor mistakenly bleeped out each time a character said "God," instead of just when it was used as part of a profanity, said Jeff Klein, president of Jaguar Distribution, the company that distributed the movie to airlines this month.

oh lordy!
everyone will know at the point of death.

For our knowledge, why do you think censorhip is bad? Any kind of censorship?

and how do you know everyone will know? :P

and for the sake of censorship in general, i believe it is bad in regards to our first amendment rights - freedom of expression, thought, and so on, and the open exchange of ideas

of course, that really has nothing to do with this case of the "overzealous censor"

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I cant believe someone complained because in this day and age Christians seem to be afraid to speak up for Christianity. Theres a daily assault against Christianity and its followers in the media and everyday life and you hardly ever hear complaints from Christians. This is yet more proof Islam and Christianty are way diff. If the same were to happen with Islam, the Muslims would be up in arms and burning and chopping the heads off of some these disrespectful people.

Im curious to know if the person or persons that spoke up were British? The British are a proud people. G-D save the Queen has a deep meaning for them as a present day traditional saying that has been carried on from centuries past.

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Go read about Ishmael in the Book of Genesis. Then go read about Ishmael in the Qur'an. Then go read about Ishmael in the Torah. Read about his father Abraham and Ishmael's mother who was the slave of Abraham's wife. Read about Issac. Read about this adultorous and disfunctional family that ultimatly bred Islam. You may find out that all three religions worship the same god.

Then we can have an intelligent discussion. Perhaps CDeb, music and parrot can band together and form The Cult of the Uninformed.

BTW, as I stated before Cdeb so ineloquently made his snarky post, religion is a choice-sexual orientation is not. If stating the facts is my S.O.P.-I accept.

I understand the Ishmael/Abraham/Issac argument.

At some point in the teachings of the two different books, they go two separate ways. The Bible doesn't and no Bible scholar would ever teach that once one gets to heaven that a man will have 60 or however many virgins the Qur'an promises will be there for him to enjoy eternally. So when you look at the teachings in more detail, you see they worship two different gods. After all, one god can not contradict himself and teach two separate things. Like Islam only believes that Jesus was a prophet, a good man. While Christians believe He is God.

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Ishmael didnt start Islam. Anyone who believes that is mistaken. Anyone that tells you the religions are similar is very much mistaken and they probably do not know that Islam didnt come onto the world scene until 630+ years after Christ.

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Here's the article:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/...d.ap/index.html

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- So much for God and country, at least during some in-flight showings of the Oscar-nominated movie "The Queen." That's because all mentions of God were bleeped out in a version of the film given to some commercial airlines.

Even in these politically correct times, censoring references to God in the film was not a statement of some kind. Rather, it was the mistake of an overzealous and inexperienced employee for a California company that edits movies selected for onboard entertainment.

The censor was told to edit out all profanities -- including any blasphemy -- for the version of the movie distributed to Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines, Air New Zealand, and other carriers.

So the new censor mistakenly bleeped out each time a character said "God," instead of just when it was used as part of a profanity, said Jeff Klein, president of Jaguar Distribution, the company that distributed the movie to airlines this month.

"A reference to God is not taboo in any culture that I know of," Klein said. "We excise foul language, excessive violence and nudity."

In-flight viewers of the film at one point heard "(Bleep) bless you, ma'am," as one character spoke to the queen. In all, the word "God" is bleeped seven times in the version.

Klein discovered the mistake after a London-bound Air New Zealand passenger complained earlier this month and the airline apologized for showing "the incorrect version of the film."

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Go read about Ishmael in the Book of Genesis. Then go read about Ishmael in the Qur'an. Then go read about Ishmael in the Torah. Read about his father Abraham and Ishmael's mother who was the slave of Abraham's wife. Read about Issac. Read about this adultorous and disfunctional family that ultimatly bred Islam. You may find out that all three religions worship the same god.

Then we can have an intelligent discussion. Perhaps CDeb, music and parrot can band together and form The Cult of the Uninformed.

BTW, as I stated before Cdeb so ineloquently made his snarky post, religion is a choice-sexual orientation is not. If stating the facts is my S.O.P.-I accept.

It's funny, nmainguy, because you think you are such an intellectual. Most intellectuals, unfortunately, are not intelligent, which makes the term rather misleading, but hey, there it is. Please don't talk about the Bible unless you REALLY want to talk about the Bible....because you do not know what you are talking about, quite obviously. Fortunately, I don't have to go too far to prove my point--you can do the rest on your own quite well!

Religion is a choice, and so is sexual orientation. They are, for the most part, as different as day and night, but in that, they are the same. Fortunately for you, God made it so. After you die, you'll have to deal with the consequences of your actions. Please don't feed me crap about genetics; remember, I live with a geneticist.

:D

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It's funny, nmainguy, because you think you are such an intellectual. Most intellectuals, unfortunately, are not intelligent, which makes the term rather misleading, but hey, there it is. Please don't talk about the Bible unless you REALLY want to talk about the Bible....because you do not know what you are talking about, quite obviously. Fortunately, I don't have to go too far to prove my point--you can do the rest on your own quite well!

Religion is a choice, and so is sexual orientation. They are, for the most part, as different as day and night, but in that, they are the same. Fortunately for you, God made it so. After you die, you'll have to deal with the consequences of your actions. Please don't feed me crap about genetics; remember, I live with a geneticist.

:D

Sexual orientation is a choice? So if you are presumably 'straight' then it is a choice?

You mean to tell me you CHOOSE to be straight? No ... I doubt it ... it's just the way you are. C'mon now...

I don't know if by defenition the Muslim Religion is a cult, but if it fits the definition, it is what it is. It's not being judgmental or belittling it.

Answers.com:

  1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
  2. The followers of such a religion or sect.

A cult is also described as this:

A sect is a small religious group that has branched off of a larger established religion. Sects have many beliefs and practices in common with the religion that they have broken off from, but are differentiated by a number of doctrinal differences. In contrast, a denomination is a large, well established religious group.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sect

So by that definition the original Episcopalians (Church of England or Anglicans) if you will were simply a cult that grew into a major religious denominations. Just like so many other cults that are now mainstream 'religions'.

That is correct.

This is also correct.

How do you KNOW this? You don't KNOW it you BELIEVE it ... there is a world of difference.

(**for the record I believe it too ... but for the sake of this argument and what we KNOW ... we only BELIEVE it.)

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Sexual orientation is a choice? So if you are presumably 'straight' then it is a choice?

You mean to tell me you CHOOSE to be straight? No ... I doubt it ... it's just the way you are. C'mon now...

A cult is also described as this:

A sect is a small religious group that has branched off of a larger established religion. Sects have many beliefs and practices in common with the religion that they have broken off from, but are differentiated by a number of doctrinal differences. In contrast, a denomination is a large, well established religious group.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sect

So by that definition the original Episcopalians (Church of England or Anglicans) if you will were simply a cult that grew into a major religious denominations. Just like so many other cults that are now mainstream 'religions'.

How do you KNOW this? You don't KNOW it you BELIEVE it ... there is a world of difference.

(**for the record I believe it too ... but for the sake of this argument and what we KNOW ... we only BELIEVE it.)

I stand by what i said. It is non-negotiable.

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I stand by what i said. It is non-negotiable.

No one is asking you to negotiate. But, if what you are saying is TRUE, then straight people also CHOOSE to be straight; they could also just as easily CHOOSE to be gay.

I don't accept that argument and in your heart I don't think you do either. But since I cannot speak for you, I can only go on what you write. And therefore you could just as easily choose to be gay also.

Right?

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I know I'm waaaaay too late to corral this discussion, but I'm going to try anyway.

This thread was not intended to be a discussion of Christianity vs. Islam. Or whether Islam is a cult or not. Or Biblical history. It's about overzealous editing of an airline film.

Please try to steer your conversation back on topic.

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i'm atheist/ agnostic/ non-religious/ un-churched or whatever the hell you call it but i find removing god from the in-flight movies pointless and insulting.

also, aren't these airlines hurting financially? wise thing would not be to alienate biggest potential customer base.

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It's funny, nmainguy, because you think you are such an intellectual. Most intellectuals, unfortunately, are not intelligent, which makes the term rather misleading, but hey, there it is. Please don't talk about the Bible unless you REALLY want to talk about the Bible....because you do not know what you are talking about, quite obviously. Fortunately, I don't have to go too far to prove my point--you can do the rest on your own quite well!

Religion is a choice, and so is sexual orientation. They are, for the most part, as different as day and night, but in that, they are the same. Fortunately for you, God made it so. After you die, you'll have to deal with the consequences of your actions. Please don't feed me crap about genetics; remember, I live with a geneticist.

:D

Being a righteous ass is a choice, so is not being one. They are, for the most part, opposite of each other, but in that, they are both choices. Fortunately for some, god made it so. Please don't feed any one the righteous crap; remember no one speaks for god, they only think they are.

:D

As far as getting back on post, maybe god doesn't want himself/herself mentioned in any movies, and sent a secret message to the censor dude. Doesn't seem far fetch when you compare that to how some of you can actually read god's mind.

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