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Mabye this should be called "DFW". Or, have two groups, one Fort Worth, the other Dallas. The DFW seems to make more sense. I know many people in FW are sensitive about thier own identity and are not crazy about being considered "a bourough of Dallas". Anyways, just a thought.

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Mabye this should be called "DFW".  Or, have two groups, one Fort Worth, the other Dallas.  The DFW seems to make more sense.  I know many people in FW are sensitive about thier own identity and are not crazy about being considered "a bourough of Dallas".  Anyways, just a thought.

Very good idea. People here don't realize that people live in the Dallas/ Ft Worth don't actually live in Dallas or Fort Worth but mid cities/Plano/Richardson etc etc.

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Yawn.

I lived in Big D for four years, and Houston for the rest.

This entire site has way too many categories. Makes navigating the site too time consuming.

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How about removing both?

What does a Houston board need Dallas info?

Isn't that what a Dallas board is for?

If we removed it, then where would we be able to poke fun of Dallas?

:rolleyes:

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Speaking of which:

Report: Dallas least charitable among large cities

Groups rated worst-run in nation argue report is inaccurate, unfair

08:50 AM CST on Wednesday, December 29, 2004

By KIMBERLY DURNAN / DallasNews.com

Dallas is the least charitable among the nation

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As a city, Dallas came in last when Charity Navigator ranked 25 cities based on how much money was raised and the financial shape of its nonprofits. Houston, the only other Texas city noted, finished fourth; Pittsburgh was ranked first.

We're slipping. Five years ago WE were supposedly #1. Dern Pittsburghians (Pittsburghers?)!

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^What's funny to me is that THE FEW people on this forum that "hate" on Dallas obviously keep up with the Dallas board as much, if not more, than they keep up with this forum. . .so for all of you who fit in that category, I have one thing to say. . .Stop Drinking The Haterade! :D

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The DFW rename thing, however childish, is probably a good idea. I (with two others) formed the Howard Dean for President DFW organization back a year ago and the biggest hurdle I faced wasn't raising money or getting people to events -- it was petty Ft. Worth people bitching because they wanted a campaign autonomous from the Dallas group.

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Personally, I like Fort Worth better than Dallas. I've had many a great weekend in FW. But, you're right -- the section really should be about more than just Dallas. I'll make the change.

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I also find it funny that the few people who hate Dallas on here seem to find the most obscure, pointless facts to demean Dallas with.

Lets do a comparison of important facts about both Dallas, (DFW) and Houston. First off, I'd like to note that I found all of the DFW facts on the Dallas Chamber website in an easy to use table format. I found the Dallas Chamber site from simply typing "dallas statistics" in Google and clicking on the first link on the search page.

Houston's Chamber did not show up at all with a "houston statistics" search and I had to do a specific one for "houston chamber" to even find their website. Additionally, once there, the information is in PDF format (bleh) and is hard to navigate.

Some data on both sites were from different years, so for comparison I used various government and industry publications with the same dates.

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Population (U.S. Census)

City

Houston #4 1,953,631

Dallas #8 1,188,530

Metropolitan Areas

Houston #10 4,669,571 (Houston, Galveston, Brazoria)

Dallas #9 5,221,801 (Dallas, Ft. Worth)

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Unemployment (Bureau of Labor Statistics)

Houston 5.7 (November)

Dallas 5.6 (November)

Over the past year, Dallas' unemployment rate never went above 5.8 while Houston's hit 7.0 in June 04

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Wage (Bureau of Labor Statistics)

Houston $41,534 (not including sales)

Dallas $42,031 (not including sales)

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% Below Poverty Level -- Families (Bureau of Labor Statistics)

Houston 16%

Dallas 14.9%

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Median Housing Price (Real Estate Journal)

Houston $139,400

Dallas $179,875

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Apt Rent (Real Estate Journal)

2 br/2 bth 950 sq ft.

Houston $686

Dallas $799

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School District Ratings (Texas Education Agency)

Houston Academically Acceptable

Dallas Academically Acceptable

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Fortune 500 Companies (County)

Houston 18

Dallas 20

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Mean Travel Time to Work (U.S. Census)

Houston 27.4

Dallas 27.5

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Crime Statistics (Federal Bureau of Investigation Crime Reports)

Houston

Crime Index 149247

Murders 256

Rapes 892

Robberies 11212

Assault 12598

Burglaries 26905

Larceny 73445

Vehicle Theft 23939

Arson 1696

-- Houston's crime level is worse than the national average in every category.

Dallas

Crime Index 112040

Murders 196

Rapes 656

Robberies 8041

Assault 8125

Burglaries 20351

Larceny 56306

Vehicle Theft 18365

Arson 1567

-- Dallas' crime level is worse than the national average in every category.

I think the statistics speak for themselves. Dallas has less crime and higher income. I lived in Dallas for over 5 years, and in a suburb of it almost all of my life. Hardly ever did I hear a resident of Dallas pulling the "my city is better than your city" crap toward Houston.

When I moved to Houston over a year ago, the first question I heard was "Which do I like better, Dallas or Houston?" To this day, almost 18 months later, I still get it.

We should get over our inferiority complex. Maybe if people would look at what Dallas is doing right and try to do it better, we'd have more success than just saying people who like Dallas better than Houston are dumb, snotty or have dallitude.

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Hmmm.... well if you don't care... then don't post :-)

And since the 2003 population stats are an ESTIMATE in which Dallas and San Antonio are only seperated by 6,400 people, I'd say its still up in the air as to which is the larger.

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^What's funny to me is that THE FEW people on this forum that "hate" on Dallas obviously keep up with the Dallas board as much, if not more, than they keep up with this forum. . .so for all of you who fit in that category, I have one thing to say. . .Stop Drinking The Haterade! :D

713 To 214... I moved the opposite of you. I moved from 75226 to 77057. I lived in the Adam Hat Lofts in Deep Ellum.

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Crime Statistics (Federal Bureau of Investigation Crime Reports)

Houston

Crime Index

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I'm not defending one city or the other... I just like for people to stick to the facts. Yakuza is exactly right - you can't go off of total numbers for a meaningful comparison of the two cities... you have to go by crimes per 100,000 people to do an apples-to-apples comparison between any two cities.

If you have questions about Houston, www.houston.org (the Greater Houston Partnership - not the Houston Chamber ) has a ton of statistics available - as well as lots of general information on the metro area.

There are many things in Dallas that should be examples for Houston (such as Uptown, Mockingbird Station, DART, commuter rail, etc...); meanwhile, Dallas could learn a lot from Houston, too (Convention center hotel, Houston-Harris County Sports Authority, downtown rejuvenation, the Uptown District)... I'm glad we share the same state and we can enjoy each. I, btw, also lived in Dallas for a few years - in Deep Ellum. After being there this past week, I was heartened to see the development in Uptown, but discouraged to see what was happening in my old digs in D.E. A lot of the businesses I once frequented are long gone... lots of abandoned store fronts. Houston's "entertainment district" would be wise to use it as an example of what can happen if you let crime - or the perception of it - infiltrate an area...

While we may bicker back and forth about the two, unfortunately, people in other parts of the U.S. are reading stories like the following (from the New York Times).

December 20, 2004

The Heady Days of J. R. and Landry Are History in Humbled Dallas

By RALPH BLUMENTHAL

DALLAS, Dec. 15 - The losing Cowboys are fixing to defect again, the police chief and city manager were shown the door, a 350-pound gorilla made his own grand exit, and the hometown daily, former employer of the ex-reporter now ensconced in City Hall, is pinning Pulitzer Prize hopes on a pitiless expos

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Danes75: very interesting find.

I lived in Southwest Houston most of my life and now lives in Northern Suburbs of Dallas.

And i have to say that no one up here in the DFW areacares which Metro area is better, but when i come down here to see my folks..i get all these kinda of questions, which is better? Houston or Dallas? What do you want me to say? Dallas? Houston?? being more political and say both are great places? It's just pointless.

(note that i said Metro not cities, it's very misleading to use cities, for example San Francisco is a small city but the metro area is huge, and no one says San Francisco, they always say Bay Area, sames would hold true in the DFW area)

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Fob -- I've noticed the same thing. Houstonians obsess over DFW. DFW does not obesess over Houston.

Our preoccupation with DFW makes Houston look petty and inferior. We have nothing to feel inferior about, but we keep on acting like we do.

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Fob -- I've noticed the same thing. Houstonians obsess over DFW. DFW does not obesess over Houston.

Our preoccupation with DFW makes Houston look petty and inferior. We have nothing to feel inferior about, but we keep on acting like we do.

I think it started back in the early eighties when "Dallas" was one of the most popular shows on TV. That really seemed to burn Houstonians up to see this show about their "little sister" city to the North come on every week and achieve such national (even international) appeal. Throw in the "Dallas Cowboys'" many Super bowl appearances (and Victories), along with the moniker "America's Team" and a recipe for hatred and envy was created. Consequently, Houstonians feel compelled to show the rest of America (specifically Dallas) why it is a great city TOO. So, some Houstonians hang on to the one glaring fact that gives Houston a "one-up" on Dallas. . .population.

Just my opinion on the subject. What does anyone else think?

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Fob -- I've noticed the same thing. Houstonians obsess over DFW. DFW does not obesess over Houston.

Our preoccupation with DFW makes Houston look petty and inferior. We have nothing to feel inferior about, but we keep on acting like we do.

I think it started back in the early eighties when "Dallas" was one of the most popular shows on TV. That really seemed to burn Houstonians up to see this show about their "little sister" city to the North come on every week and achieve such national (even international) appeal. Throw in the "Dallas Cowboys'" many Superbowl appearances (and Victories), along with the moniker "America's Team" and a recipe for hatred and envy was created. Consequently, Houstonians feel compelled to show the rest of America (specifically Dallas) why it is a great city TOO. So, some Houstonians hang on to the one glaring fact that gives Houston a "one-up" on Dallas. . .population.

Just my opinion on the subject. What does anyone else think?

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So, some Houstonians hang on to the one glaring fact that gives Houston a "one-up" on Dallas. . .population.

Yeah, the only thing that Houston has over Dallas is the City Population, but Metro wise, Houston is still short 500k or so.. However, like i said before, people up here don't really care at all. It's all about the money, which region offers more career opportunities wins to them. In this regard, DFW won me over.

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Hey everyone... I'm new to the forum. And, yes I live in that dreaded and loathesome area to the North... but I'm not a hostile visitor so please put down those torches and pitch forks.

I have to say that I'm a bit surprised by what all I've found here on the Houston site. I grew up in Fort Worth, which is often compared to Houston because of the cities great love of the arts and anything cultural. FW really goes out of her way to embrace her Texas heritage and to preserve the "old west" roots that gave birth to the city that FW is today... a city that has been ranked as the fastest growing city with a pop. over 500,000 for the past few years (of course, that's something I'm sure will be debated on this forum). The experts are now predicting that Fort Worth will surpass Dallas in the next 15 years or so in population. Fort Worth is also set to surpass Dallas in land area within the year (by the end of 2005)

Anyway, I travel all over the DFW area on a daily basis and I'm very familiar with most of the metroplex. But, I'm also somewhat familiar with Houston... To me all the "competition" between Dallas and Houston is odd. I mean, the cities are nothing alike at all. So, it's really hard to even compare the two in my mind.

Houston - like Fort Worth - has developed through aggressive annexation. The city limits of Houston refect that... Houston and Dallas differ here. Dallas has not be aggressive in annexing, and thus, has become landlocked by suburbs. As a result, the density in Dallas is growing and the city has no choice but to grow skyward. Hense all the highrise urban living developments going up all over North Dallas/Uptown. Houston has a thriving downtown area that is unlike Dallas... DT Dallas is 25% vacant. However, they're starting to turn it around by taking a hint from Houston and FW... Dallas is now in the midst of a strong surge of turning old vacant office towers into residential living. But, it is Fort Worth that is catching everyone's attention these days. Fort Worth has approved and is starting its Trinity River Project that will dwarf the one in Dallas. The FW TRP (Trinity River Project) is going to create San Antonio-like river walks, and it's going to double the footprint of downtown Fort Worth by creating a town lake north of the Tarrant County Courthouse that will be complete with canals with high rise living and office towers. It's being modeled after Vancouver BC. It is going to change the face of Fort Worth forever and thrust Fort Worth into being a top tier city... On the south end of Downtown, the lancaster corridor is undergoing redevelopment and many of the cities older office towers are converting to living. Plus a new convention center hotel is approved and on the way... Downtown FW, unlike Dallas, is at 99.8% capacity and because of that, new skyscrapers on in the works... basically, FW is busting at the seams in just about everyway imaginable. Look for 2005 to bring big big news out of FW...

There is a rivalry between Dallas and Fort Worth that dates back to the early days of each city. That rivalry started when the mayor of Dallas made a snide comment about how Fort Worth was so dead that a panther was once seen strolling the streets of Downtown before plopping down to take a nap; apparently even the panther was bored. But, instead of firing back... Fort Worth embraced the comment and now FW is referred to as "panther city" by a lot of locals. There are even pathers incorporated into much of the public art around town as a reference to those comments from the East. However, it's only the "old school" Fort Worthians who object to being part of "DFW". Ever since the creation of DFW Airport, the two cities have been working more cooperatively than in the past. Of course, there is the battle over the Wright Admendment... but that's more about economic protection for FW's half of DFW, not any sort of sibling rivalry between Dallas and Fort Worth. What I don't understand is where the Dallas/Houston Rivalry started... Was it really because of the TV show? Does it have something to do with the old Cowboys vs Oilers thing? I have never heard of any real root cause to the Dallas/Houston thing... but I do agree with some other people on this thread... It seems to be coming from Houston because you never hear anti-Houston talk in Dallas....

So, what is Houston's growth predicted to be like in coming years? I seriously don't know... I know they're predicting DFW to double in size in the next 30-40 years. And, I've heard that the 9.1 million predictions are under-estimated due to the growth in the FW side of DFW...

Anyway, from one person in DFW --- I like Houston a lot. I think it's cool that Texas can have so many big cities that all feel so completely different from each other. Houston, San Antonio, Austin, DFW.... they're all very different flavors.

I wish that we had the skyscrapers in Dallas-FW that y'all have in Houston. I think Houston's skyline rivals LA and Chicago... I would definitely list it as one of the nation's most impressive skylines.

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Hi Willy. Nice to meet you. I like hearing all this about Fort Worth. I've always loved visiting your fine city. If Houston was in need of following an established city plan, I think FW would be a great choice.

Oh yeah personally I think Houston has a better skyline than LA. Chicago is another story.

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