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For the past 25 years Texas Southern University has been a joke. The school has no real admission standards (no ACT or SAT required for entry), its administrators are constantly caught up in verifiable scandal, and the school is constantly in financial trouble. The article below id further evidence of this. The alumni who have gone on to succeed after graduation have probably done so IN SPITE OF, rather than because of the value of a Texas Southern University Degree. Barbara Jordan would be outraged and probably hanging her head low right now. I challenge all TSU alumni, administrators, faculty, students, and Houstonians in general to show some pride and demand better from this institution, otherwise I'm all for a "hostile takeover" by U of H or another state school. Drastic times call for drastic measures.

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Jan. 26, 2007, 12:58AM

Perry orders regents to fix TSU finances

'Not happy' with the officials, governor gives them up to 45 days to plan

By POLLY ROSS HUGHES AND MATTHEW TRESAUGUE

Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

AUSTIN — Startled by the depth of Texas Southern University's multimillion-dollar financial woes, Gov. Rick Perry has ordered its board of regents to start making "tough decisions" to fix the problems or resign.

"It can't be a Mickey Mouse deal," Perry spokesman Robert Black told the Houston Chronicle on Thursday. "It can't be a Band-Aid."

In private meetings last week, Perry demanded that TSU's regents come up with a concrete plan within 30-45 days to start fixing problems plaguing the university's finances this year.

Next week, the terms of three of TSU's nine regents expire, giving Perry the opportunity to name new members.

Perry also plans to announce a blue-ribbon panel that will develop a long-term plan for TSU, including defining its academic mission.

One fear, which the governor's office said it hopes to avoid, is that TSU would be merged into another university.

Houston Democrats Sen. Rodney Ellis and Rep. Garnet Coleman underscored the importance of protecting the historically black university and keeping it independent. They noted its long history in shaping Houston's black middle class.

"TSU is in the neighborhood where I grew up. It isn't just an institution I represent," Coleman said. "It's more than that. TSU represents some of the best of black Texas and black Houston."

Ellis said he is a graduate of the university, along with political notables including the late U.S. Reps. Barbara Jordan and Mickey Leland and lawyer and former U.S. Congressman Craig Washington.

Ellis, complaining that Texas' two historically black universities have been underfunded since their inception, said he hopes Perry's actions will prove positive for TSU.

"I'm glad he's stepping up to the plate," he said. "Let's hope he's correcting that historical wrong."

Yet, with TSU asking the Legislature for millions in emergency funds and financial help while its money matters are "in shambles," Black said, lawmakers are apt to lose patience.

"It can't be the same old, same old. They're going to have to make the hard decisions to correct these issues," he said. . .

Read the rest of the article here.

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Could UH or someone take over but keep the TSU name? Ya know, just run the place and guide it, while still reeping the benefits. Would they consider that or is that just bad marketing strategy? I'm just asking since if they did that, they could keep the black heritage.

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The best thing for TSU is to remain independent. Slade needs some serious jail time, though.

I don't understand the need for black colleges, but I guess they are here to staty.

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The best thing for TSU is to remain independent. Slade needs some serious jail time, though.

I don't understand the need for black colleges, but I guess they are here to staty.

I agree. I don't think we need them either. But I'm not black, so maybe I'm missing something.

And I was just presenting the possibilites if this is in fact the route it could go, and if so, if it's a good option.

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I don't understand the need for black colleges, but I guess they are here to staty.

Well to me the practice is racist. any other universities for any other "specific" group?

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Well to me the practice is racist. any other universities for any other "specific" group?

I agree somewhat. I think/wonder if it's because they feel like they need to stick together, when in reality, 99% of America already accepts them just like they accept any other color of people.

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Oh goodness. HBCU's were started because blacks would not be accepted at any other college so they started their own. That said, any race could still go to those schools. We could probably say systems like these are not needed anymore but they will always be HBCU's historically. Why take it away?

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Well to me the practice is racist. any other universities for any other "specific" group?

That's an ignorant statement! One doesn't have to be black to attend. In fact, there are a number of students representing different races, creeds, and colors, currently in attendance. I'm sure that you would be accepted if you applied. The point however, is that regardless of who attends, the culture of corruption and mismanagement is pervasive throughout the administration of the school, and is continuously reflected in embarrassing ways (i.e. nationally reported scandals, abysmal bar/board passage rates, low graduation rates, sub-standard facilities, etc.)

disclaimer: I am not an Alumnist of this school, and have no interest in it other than to stop reading about its embarrassing stories over and over again.

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I say let U of H take over TSU, or A&M. TSU will forever be in debt, cause first their not trustworthy on the job. They always stealing. When money comes in for the school, they spend so much and pocket the rest (look at North Forest School District. The poorest school district in Texas, and they always stealing).

I'm not saying close TSU down, but if they don't make no finiancal changes, the state will take over leaving U of H, or A&M to take things over. Hell, I would rather U of H take it over, cause they're across the street from each other.

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That's an ignorant statement! One doesn't have to be black to attend.

But it appears that they've lowered admission requirements so that blacks would attend, I suppose thinking that, if they had normal university admission requirements, it would no longer be a "black" college, and possibly no longer exist.

Sounds like they've been running a community college and they've run it into the ground.

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But it appears that they've lowered admission requirements so that blacks would attend, I suppose thinking that, if they had normal university admission requirements, it would no longer be a "black" college, and possibly no longer exist.

Your statement, on its face, appears. . .well, rather prejudiced. However, I understand where you're coming from.

Here's my take on it. Part of the school's mission is to provide an opportunity for a higher education to students who would otherwise not get such an opportunity. Those students can and do come from all over the country and the world, no matter what race, color or creed. However, a vast majority are black and come from Texas. Instead of raising the standards of the school in order to compete with the best of the best, I think the common attitude of the administration (with few exception) is to use the fact that "it's a black school" as a crutch and excuse not to do better. IMHO, TSU, for the better part of the past two decades, has been existence to benefit a small few, at the expense of a great many who deserve better.

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That's an ignorant statement! One doesn't have to be black to attend. In fact, there are a number of students representing different races, creeds, and colors, currently in attendance.

I didn't say you had to be black to attend but they sure do promote themselves as catering to the black community. Unfortunately instead of doing a service to the black community, they are doing a disservice.

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Your statement, on its face, appears. . .well, rather prejudiced. However, I understand where you're coming from.

Here's my take on it. Part of the school's mission is to provide an opportunity for a higher education to students who would otherwise not get such an opportunity. Those students can and do come from all over the country and the world, no matter what race, color or creed. However, a vast majority are black and come from Texas. Instead of raising the standards of the school in order to compete with the best of the best, I think the common attitude of the administration (with few exception) is to use the fact that "it's a black school" as a crutch and excuse not to do better. IMHO, TSU, for the better part of the past two decades, has been existence to benefit a small few, at the expense of a great many who deserve better.

I don't know the inside story at this school, just the tidbits I've picked up here. What it appears to me is that they've been operating a community college paying university salaries, all because catering to their target student population is more important than all else, and that wouldn't seem like a smart business decision.

Is it being "prejudiced" to see it that way? It's time for true equality, including equality in the ability to be criticized freely when warranted.

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I don't understand the need for black colleges, but I guess they are here to staty.

Where's the outrage about the "white" colleges?

Texas A&M undergrads are 79% white, 3% black.

TSU is 85% black, 2% white. (based on total enrollment...couldn't find stats for undergrads only).

Sounds about the same to me...No one's trying to shut down Texas A&M, even though it's a "historically white college". Why do we need these "white" colleges? :blink:

Fact is, both schools are slowly diversifying. I'd get over the black school/white school thing and focus on TSU improving its financial stability.

Of course, if TSU got to share in the PUF like A&M does, finances wouldn't be a problem. I'm more interested in breaking up the financial discrimination of the PUF...we have a system of "haves" and "have-nots" in higher education in Texas: the UT and A&M systems are the "haves" and every one else is a "have-not".

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Texas A&M undergrads are 79% white, 3% black.

TSU is 85% black, 2% white. (based on total enrollment...couldn't find stats for undergrads only).

To be fair I think that is kind of p.c. I think the comment was just based in ignorance as far as "black schools". It is also very p.c. to wonder why the black population is so high and why there are not that many whites. It is the same for almost every HBCU. If one answered their own question "Why?" they would see it is not TSU's fault as far as diversity.

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Where's the outrage about the "white" colleges?

Who's outraged? Sure ain't me.

But maybe I am a bit perturbed by the succession of theifs who have ran TSU into the ground.

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If I was Perry, I would have ordered TSU to either join UH or marry A&M, UT, or Texas Tech (systems) and become a member school.

I foresee the UH/TSU area becoming a hip "college town"-ish area.

We could even open a Jimmy John's near both schools.

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The biggest deficit number reported in all the TSU stories is their $54 million deferred maintenance cost.

However, as Isaiah Carey reported on Fox 26 last night, TSU is not the only state school with high deferred maintenance costs. Apparently the State Legislature keeps telling state universities that there is not sufficient state funding to pay for these maintenance items.

Here's a sample of the deferred maintenance numbers from several state universities:

UT-Austin - $85 million

Texas A&M - $63 million

TSU - $54 million

UH - $37 million

UNT - $18 million

Funny that we haven't heard any reports of UT-Austin or Texas A&M regents losing their jobs over these numbers.

In addition, it was reported that TSU's Athletics program is running a deficit of $2 million per year. News flash: TSU is FAR from the only school in the country whose athletics dept is in the red. It's reported that there are maybe 15 NCAA Division I athletics programs (out of more than 100) that actually make a profit. Obviously TSU is not alone in losing money on sports. I wish my alma mater, UH, only lost $2 million a year on athletics.

While I agree that TSU does need an great improvement in its leadership, I think a lot of this is hyped just because it's an HBCU.

Most importantly, the ones who suffer most from all of this are the hard-working students who are trying to better themselves and have little to no control over the management of their school. I think the general public is equating the fiscal mismanagement of TSU with the quality of a TSU diploma, and that's unfair.

My wife is currently a TSU student, and because of, or in spite of, her TSU education, she already has job offers from 2 of the nation's top 5 accounting firms. [/proud husband mode]

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The thing, though, is that there are more dollars per undergrad for TSU than UT.

TSU has about 9,585 undergrads.

UT Austin has 36,878.

A&M in College Station has 36,580.

UH has 26,959.

The biggest deficit number reported in all the TSU stories is their $54 million deferred maintenance cost.

However, as Isaiah Carey reported on Fox 26 last night, TSU is not the only state school with high deferred maintenance costs. Apparently the State Legislature keeps telling state universities that there is not sufficient state funding to pay for these maintenance items.

Here's a sample of the deferred maintenance numbers from several state universities:

UT-Austin - $85 million

Texas A&M - $63 million

TSU - $54 million

UH - $37 million

UNT - $18 million

Funny that we haven't heard any reports of UT-Austin or Texas A&M regents losing their jobs over these numbers.

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The thing, though, is that there are more dollars per undergrad for TSU than UT.

TSU has about 9,585 undergrads.

UT Austin has 36,878.

A&M in College Station has 36,580.

UH has 26,959.

Yeah, but how many $$$ per student do UT-Austin and Texas A&M get from the state (INCLUDING THE PUF $$$), compared to to TSU and UH?

Those schools get a lot of extra $$$ that no other state school gets (I'm talking many tens of millions per year).

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Sounds about the same to me...No one's trying to shut down Texas A&M, even though it's a "historically white college". Why do we need these "white" colleges? :blink:

Thats a stupid statement, Texas A&M isn't driven into the ground with debt & scandal. Dumb comparison.

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Of course, if TSU got to share in the PUF like A&M does, finances wouldn't be a problem. I'm more interested in breaking up the financial discrimination of the PUF...we have a system of "haves" and "have-nots" in higher education in Texas: the UT and A&M systems are the "haves" and every one else is a "have-not".

Oh come on. TSU has not been able to responsibly manage what money it has been given in decades. I'm not saying that TSU isn't underfunded, because I believe that it probably is. But the fact remains that the school has an abysmal record of fiscal responsibility, and is one of the worst performers in higher education in Texas when it comes to the academic side of the house. Poor funding is only a small piece of the problem. Until the core management issues that start at the level of the Board of Regents are solved, no amount of money is going to solve TSU's problems. The fact remains that TSU operates in a culture that encourages poor performance and no accountability. I can't go into too much detail here, but TSU is a client of my company's and I know a lot about what goes on there. The state seriously needs to consider getting TSU brought under another university system. The Texas State University system is probably a good place, simply because it would allow TSU to retain a certain degree of independence (name, culture, etc.) but put a more responsible Board in charge of overseeing the university's operations. I know there are a lot of strong feelings about TSU in the black community in Houston, and for that reason I'm all for not making TSU into something like a Texas A&M-Southeast Houston. But on the other hand, the community leaders in Houston need to stop making excuses for TSU and people like Dr. Slade, and instead demand excellence from this institution. Given TSU's history over the last few decades, the community and alumni should be completely embarrassed, because TSU has done very little to make anyone proud.

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Of course, if TSU got to share in the PUF like A&M does, finances wouldn't be a problem. I'm more interested in breaking up the financial discrimination of the PUF...we have a system of "haves" and "have-nots" in higher education in Texas: the UT and A&M systems are the "haves" and every one else is a "have-not".

I don't think it's about have and have-nots. Your comments are misplaced and misleading. If TSU administrators had access to more money, they would have just mismanaged and pilfered that money too. Quite frankly, I think your comment is representative of the types of excuses used by TSU Administrators and the school's "blind" supporters. I alluded to this in an earlier post. The school will never improve as long as the "we're just being picked on because we're a black school" excuses are brought up every time legitimate problems are raised.

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Let's put TSU in the haves by turning it into a sattelite school of the A&M or UT systems.

Of course, keep the name...

Either Texas Southern A&M University

Or University of Texas at Texas Southern University

I don't think it's about have and have-nots. Your comments are misplaced and misleading. If TSU administrators had access to more money, they would have just mismanaged and pilfered that money too. Quite frankly, I think your comment is representative of the types of excuses used by TSU Administrators and the school's "blind" supporters. I alluded to this in an earlier post. The school will never improve as long as the "we're just being picked on because we're a black school" excuses are brought up every time legitimate problems are raised.

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Being an African American myself, i can understand why they'd want to preserve the HBCU as it currently is. While I definitely think that the leaders of the school are crooked, we shouldn't split hairs. It's not just TSU that's doing it. UofH is able to hide its assets and expenditures better because its a larger University with several branches. All in all, i think everyone is crooked in some sort of fashion. Some people are just better at hiding it than others and some people just simply haven't been caught. Doesn't mean its not happening elsewhere so don't be fooled.

P.S. Anybody remember greystone08? He went to TSU. I sure wish i could get a take on how he feels about this.

tierwestah "tommy" jones

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Now you're saying that UH is as corupt as TSU? Give us some proof or retract your statement. Playing the race card at UH doesn't work since UH is the MOST diverse Major University in the US if not the world.

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Texas Southern is pretty much one of the largest black universities in the USA and it was the first in Texas, opened as a result of a U.S. Supreme Court case. We should do everything we can to keep it independent. I think it's possible, if we fill the board of regents with financial managers we can improve the situation. If not then it won't be that bad to be under a major state system.

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Now you're saying that UH is as corupt as TSU? Give us some proof or retract your statement. Playing the race card at UH doesn't work since UH is the MOST diverse Major University in the US if not the world.

That is interesting to know. A lot of schools are claiming that though.

Diversity.

Lots of folks are proud of it, but that are many out there who doesn't seem to mind the lack of diversity in their schools, even when the schools are located in very diverse cities.

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March 26, 2007, 2:01PM

Parking garage closes after TSU fails to pay

By MATTHEW TRESAUGUE

Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

A private developer shuttered one of Texas Southern University's newly constructed parking garages and shuttle service today after the financially troubled school stopped paying its bills.

The move left students and faculty and staff members scrambling at the commuter campus, while the $34 million project is at risk of default.

The Integrity Group made the decision less than three years into a 30-year lease with the university, which hired the Cleveland, Ohio-based company to construct and manage the parking garages and six-shuttle service.

The rest of the article is here.

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Greetings all!

I discovered this thread while searching the web and found your conversation very relevant...

Just recently took 8 students to the AMHPS symposium in Orlando, FL. It was a wreck from the moment we stepped into the hotel! For those of you who do not know of this symposium, it's touted as being a conference to help influence our young HS and fresh/soph college students into considering the medical or health fields as a possible career/study choice.

It is also run by and exclusively influenced by the HBCU's. Don't want to go into great detail of the utter sub-standard quality of the conference, but none of my students will be attending a HBCU after that experience. A couple of glaring problems with the conference:

1. ONLY HBCU's represented (as if minorities in the health field was not limited enough)

2. Only 2-3 of the HBCU's had medicals schools????? 95+ of students were interested in medical school, but got an inordinate amount of information about Veterinary Medicine????

3. Very little or no qualitative/professional information provided concerning the fields

4. TOO much recruiting slant! It seemed to be a symposium designed more to recruit students to attend HBCU than about motivating students to enter medical fields

5. Speakers, presenters were very uninteresting

Goodness, i could go on, but will spare you all. The nice thing was that the symposium paid for the air transportation, hotel and food. Imagine, 600 students....that's a lot of money! Wasted!

I was approached by a recruiter from Texas Southern asking if we would like her to visit our school (Private school north of Dallas). After the conference and the troubles with Texas Southern, I won't be giving her a call and besides, I don't believe it would be worth her while.

HBCU's, unfortunately, are a mess. Save for a handful of schools, most of the HBCU's are a reflection of just how low we as a people have gone to accommodate our educational needs. Absence of SAT/ACT requirements, lower GPAs, substandard facilities, cronism among the adminstrative ranks, mismanagement, etc.

:(

Richard

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Is there some unwritten rule for this forum, that I don't know about, which pertains to discussing scandals at TSU? I don't understand how one of the biggest stories in the city, right now. . .former TSU president Priscilla Slade's trial is not being discussed here. What gives?

Did you know she spent forty THOUSAND (American) dollars ($40,000.00) on a dining set, and had the nerve to use TSU's tax exempt status to shirk paying taxes on the purchase? I think she'll be eating off of plastic trays where she's going.

http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5127403.html

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My European History teacher from the 12th grade (he also served as my 10th grade World History teacher and my 9th grade Sociology/World Religions teacher) explained that Slade created real improvements at TSU and then decided "Oh, in return for that, I'll take a cool 400,000 dollars!"

Slade should be "pilloried" in front of all of the students of TSU once her conviction is made.

As for TSU, it should be taken over by the University of Texas system and renamed "Southern University of Texas."

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I have yet to see any students upset with Slade.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metrop...an/5095996.html - "TSU students criticize Slade" - August 30, 2007

"Two students credited with the eventual downfall of TSU President Priscilla Slade testified today in her criminal trial that she cared more about spending money on her home than security for the historically black university.

Justin R. Jordan and Oliver J. Brown said they worked for Slade's ouster by writing letters, which were distributed across campus. Together with William G. Hudson, the group known as the "TSU Three" sued the school in 2005 for retaliation for publicly criticizing the administration of Texas Southern University."

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Richard...keep spoiling your kids and send them to schools where reality isn't the norm....I just hope you aren't black...

TSU provided my father with an education, he owns a successful business nearing the 30-year mark and my mom and I received an HBCU education and are doing just fine...

Problem with TSU is they use the buddy system in hiring and that's what got them in trouble....whites still have an influence in their board selections and created the mess they are in now. You get what you pay for...

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I have yet to see any students upset with Slade.

You could get an earful from my wife.

I hope TSU can get itself straightened out. Slade seemed to have TSU on the right path until we found out about her long-term theft from the school.

Problem is, the ones who are hurt most by the scandals are the ones who have no ability to control it: the students.

I see nothing wrong with putting TSU under the supervision of another school system (UH/A&M/UT/etc), but there's no need to shut it down or merge it with another school, as some suggest. TSU needs one hell of a leader.

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Richard...keep spoiling your kids and send them to schools where reality isn't the norm....I just hope you aren't black...

TSU provided my father with an education, he owns a successful business nearing the 30-year mark and my mom and I received an HBCU education and are doing just fine...

Problem with TSU is they use the buddy system in hiring and that's what got them in trouble....whites still have an influence in their board selections and created the mess they are in now. You get what you pay for...

HCBU: Maybe UT System can help TSU change its management so it can get back on its feet. I would love to see TSU expand so that it becomes a lot like UT Arlington/UT Dallas/UT San Antonio, etc. It can still remain open enrollment or partially open enrollment until the students go above capacity.

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HBCU's were designed to serve a purpose and that purpose is still needed in my opinion....blacks technically weren't attractive to the big state schools until they found a way to exploit us through athletic endeavors and that holds true to this day.

If you can run the ball, pass the minimum NCAA standards (way lower than the standard admission) you have a free ticket to A&M and UT while the kid who bust his butt with a GPA not high enough to gain an academic 'ship is left in the cold. To make matters worse, UT and A&M have majors designed for athletes to keep them eligible which doesn't even belong in some schools.

If those schools were admitting blacks in by those standards who can't run the ball then I have no problem and will say maybe some HBCUs could change missions. However, that's not happening

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Yeah, they were talking about it on NPR this morning. Some kind of suburban gang dispute. Makes me want to not take the Columbia Tap Rail-To-Trail bike path.

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