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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/cyf...ws/4399953.html

...future focal point of Bridgeland will be its 1,000-acre Town Center on both sides of Grand Parkway.

The center will feature retail, multiple-family homes, space for a college satellite, medical facilities and offices.

The center's construction time frame will depend on the completion of Grand Parkway, but Houghton said it probably would begin between 2013 and 2015.

This area is exploding. It already has a greater population than the greater Woodlands area, and now they're going to stick a Woodlands-sized community in, with all of the other new communities planned/underway? I hope they get to work on 290 soon. :unsure:

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I can't imagine what people are thinking when buying a house out there if they will need to use 290 to get to work. I don't think there is a worse commute in Houston these days.

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I can't imagine what people are thinking when buying a house out there if they will need to use 290 to get to work. I don't think there is a worse commute in Houston these days.

*cough* Suburban Sprawl *cough* :(

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I understand the reasons why people like communities like that, but I just couldn't do the 2 hour commute to get inside the loop each morning from out there. Heaven forbid it rains one morning!

I don't live that much close to the city, but I also work in the energy corridor. My 35 minutes to get 11 miles at 6:30am is as much as I want to put up with anymore.

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I can't imagine what people are thinking when buying a house out there if they will need to use 290 to get to work. I don't think there is a worse commute in Houston these days.

You gotta get up in time to wake the roosters, that's fo' sho'.

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Bridgeland estimates that the combined 2006 tax rate for The Shores, including school, municipal utility and county, is $4.13 per $100 of valuation, with the annual homeowner assessment for The Shores in Lakeland Village being $800.

That's some hefty taxation.

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I can't imagine what people are thinking when buying a house out there if they will need to use 290 to get to work. I don't think there is a worse commute in Houston these days.

My husband and I are actually thinking about buying a home in this community. We are outdoorsy type people and the neighborhood really appeals to us. I work close to the West Belt and I-10 and he works at the West Belt and 59. But, we live in League City so we are used to the long drives but want to cut it down. Can anyone give me an idea of how long they think it would take me/us to get to work from Bridgeland if we left around 6AM or 6:30? What about back roads - are they just as bad as 290? 529? Clay Road? West Road? Any feedback would be appreciated!

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My husband and I are actually thinking about buying a home in this community. We are outdoorsy type people and the neighborhood really appeals to us. I work close to the West Belt and I-10 and he works at the West Belt and 59. But, we live in League City so we are used to the long drives but want to cut it down. Can anyone give me an idea of how long they think it would take me/us to get to work from Bridgeland if we left around 6AM or 6:30? What about back roads - are they just as bad as 290? 529? Clay Road? West Road? Any feedback would be appreciated!

The back roads are just as bad. Don't forget west little york and keith harrow. There is a HUGE difference between 6:30 and 6:00am. To get to the west belt and i-10 at 6:30 am I would estimate at least an hour. Most the time would be spent getting to the beltway. I am maybe 4 miles from the beltway. It takes me 30 minutes to get on it in the morning.

I had to go out to the home depot off 290 and spring cypress around 7pm one night this week. That intersection was a nightmare. People were cutting every which way through the parking lots nearby.

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I live out by Fairfield ( or as I learned later Farfield) and as the 290 corridor stands now, this is going to destroy it. 290 is already the worst hwy into town, the major park n ride at 290/hyw6 is already over crowded, at peak rush hour the HOV lane is almost as bad as the regular lanes. I use Metro to commute to the Uptown area and one of the worst stretches of 290 is now before hwy-6/1960. This is just going to add to the mess.

There is some hope. A new park n ride is being built right now in Cypress (down the street from Bridgelands, in fact they will have a shuttle service to it). This station is to be a future commuter rail stop into the downtown metro station with a stop to catch the Uptown line. Hempstead tollway is already in the planning process and that is to be followed by the 290 improvements.

The bad part is that the only thing that is being built right now is the park n ride. Even thats impact will be small since I doubt they will put a diamond lane from the end of the 290 HOV lane out to it. So in the morning it will be stuck in the same traffic on 290 to 1960. I just hope that these big developers will be able to apply pressure to get some of these improvements moved up. Otherwise they better hope the people that go out to see the community only go out on the weekend when 290 is a dream.

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I just hope that these big developers will be able to apply pressure to get some of these improvements moved up. Otherwise they better hope the people that go out to see the community only go out on the weekend when 290 is a dream.

Or better yet...how about these big developers paying their fair share of the highway improvements!

After all, isn't it their developments that are causing all the freeway capacity issues?!? Why does the general public need to pay for freeway improvements to serve developments that are NOT profiting the general public?!?

I won't cry if the developers pay their share of freeway improvements and only get filthy rich, instead of filthy STINKING rich!!!

Of course, the cost of the freeway improvements would have to be passed on to the homebuyer, but isn't that fair? After all, those homebuyers are the ones who need the freeway improvements, so why shouldn't they pay the bulk of the costs of improvement?

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Or better yet...how about these big developers paying their fair share of the highway improvements!

After all, isn't it their developments that are causing all the freeway capacity issues?!? Why does the general public need to pay for freeway improvements to serve developments that are NOT profiting the general public?!?

I won't cry if the developers pay their share of freeway improvements and only get filthy rich, instead of filthy STINKING rich!!!

Of course, the cost of the freeway improvements would have to be passed on to the homebuyer, but isn't that fair? After all, those homebuyers are the ones who need the freeway improvements, so why shouldn't they pay the bulk of the costs of improvement?

Do you want the big developers to have more say in how the freeways should be built?

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Or better yet...how about these big developers paying their fair share of the highway improvements!

After all, isn't it their developments that are causing all the freeway capacity issues?!? Why does the general public need to pay for freeway improvements to serve developments that are NOT profiting the general public?!?

I won't cry if the developers pay their share of freeway improvements and only get filthy rich, instead of filthy STINKING rich!!!

Of course, the cost of the freeway improvements would have to be passed on to the homebuyer, but isn't that fair? After all, those homebuyers are the ones who need the freeway improvements, so why shouldn't they pay the bulk of the costs of improvement?

What you suggest would be incredibly difficult to organize, politically. How about a toll road? Toll roads all around?

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If you work at HP/Compaq, this will be the place to live.

And there's always hope that the Grand Parkway, once completed, will see new employment centers spring up along it within commuting distance of Bridgeland. Since it'll take 20 years to build out Bridgeland, there's plenty of time.

I like the 30% greenspace intentionally left undeveloped. It's prairie terrain, but that's a heck of a lot better than asphalt and hardiplank.

Hopefully they'll use a variety of custom builders and achieve a variety of rich architectural styles. Cinco Ranch generally has the reputation of bland architecture.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/cyf...ws/4399953.html

...future focal point of Bridgeland will be its 1,000-acre Town Center on both sides of Grand Parkway.

The center will feature retail, multiple-family homes, space for a college satellite, medical facilities and offices.

The center's construction time frame will depend on the completion of Grand Parkway, but Houghton said it probably would begin between 2013 and 2015.

This area is exploding. It already has a greater population than the greater Woodlands area, and now they're going to stick a Woodlands-sized community in, with all of the other new communities planned/underway? I hope they get to work on 290 soon. :unsure:

what is the population of the greater woodlands area?

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West Belt and I-10 won't be too bad. Probably 40 minutes. Roughly 40-45 for 59 (north, I presume?)

Actually he works at 59 South and the Beltway. I see the northbound Beltway traffic in the evenings and it's not too pretty so I guess he's going to have to deal with that. :blink:

I'm just sick and tired of putting 100 miles on my car everyday and I guess this is the trade off I'll have to live with. Less miles and tolls, but potentially the same time on the road.

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I work close to the West Belt and I-10 and he works at the West Belt and 59.

Based on a my high school geometry, I calculated the shortest commute for both of you. I have one word: "Alief". Think about it.

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Actually he works at 59 South and the Beltway. I see the northbound Beltway traffic in the evenings and it's not too pretty so I guess he's going to have to deal with that. :blink:

I'm just sick and tired of putting 100 miles on my car everyday and I guess this is the trade off I'll have to live with. Less miles and tolls, but potentially the same time on the road.

No way you can make it there in 40 minutes from cypress on a weekday morning.

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Hopefully they'll use a variety of custom builders and achieve a variety of rich architectural styles. Cinco Ranch generally has the reputation of bland architecture.

Tell me about it. Every single suburb in Houston has bland architecture, except for the Woodlands (and only the Woodlands).

How wide is Fry Road through the Bridgelands? If it is only four lanes (two in each direction), I think it needs to be widened to six lanes (three in each direction). Have some overpasses for it, too (like Woodlands Parkway).

Also, would the Bridgelands have freeway interchanges similar to the ones in the Woodlands? They would help with traffic flow a lot.

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99.2% of The Woodlands architecture is "bland" as well, the magnificent planning of the community does a good job hiding it, though.

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mrfootball....what exactly is your problem with The Woodlands?

You always seem so antagonistic towards the community.

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mrfootball....what exactly is your problem with The Woodlands?

You always seem so antagonistic towards the community.

I love The Woodlands, the hardcore evangelists just tend to embellish things a bit too often.

I have several clients in the area and visit it weekly. I really like what they've done with it over the past 5 years or so. I nearly bought a home out there, I may buy my next there, who knows?

...a bit of clarification, I may not agree with Trae on the exact definition of 'bland'...I'm simply pointing out that 99.2% of homes in The Woodlands are the same types of homes you'll find in the other Houston suburbs (ie. Spring, Klein, Cypress, Katy, Kingwood, etc).

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Well, the trees in the Woodlands kind of take some of the "blandness" away, but my idea of bland is miles and miles of this:

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/cyf...ws/4399953.html

...future focal point of Bridgeland will be its 1,000-acre Town Center on both sides of Grand Parkway.

The center will feature retail, multiple-family homes, space for a college satellite, medical facilities and offices.

The center's construction time frame will depend on the completion of Grand Parkway, but Houghton said it probably would begin between 2013 and 2015.

This area is exploding. It already has a greater population than the greater Woodlands area, and now they're going to stick a Woodlands-sized community in, with all of the other new communities planned/underway? I hope they get to work on 290 soon. :unsure:

My God, that's disgusting!! More banal crap even further from the core of the city. I might understand a decision to live in such mediocrity if one works in that area (within 2-3 miles from home). But, otherwise, why perpetuate this type of sickening sprawl??

I'm sure the type of person that will actually want to live in this will drive their "SUV" (please say with a strong southern drawl to get maximum effect) spitting "chewin 'backy" out of the window as they suck gallon upon gallon of fuel and spew ozone-causing pollutants into the beautiful 290 corridor! I'm gonna go throw up...

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My God, that's disgusting!! More banal crap even further from the core of the city. I might understand a decision to live in such mediocrity if one works in that area (within 2-3 miles from home). But, otherwise, why perpetuate this type of sickening sprawl??

I'm sure the type of person that will actually want to live in this will drive their "SUV" (please say with a strong southern drawl to get maximum effect) spitting "chewin 'backy" out of the window as they suck gallon upon gallon of fuel and spew ozone-causing pollutants into the beautiful 290 corridor! I'm gonna go throw up...

[sarcasm]Would you rather that they live next door to you? I mean, if these people are as backwards, filthy, dangerous, and careless as you ascribe them to be, don't you think it might be an insurance risk to have them on your apartment block? Oh, and think of what their kids would do to the quality of our top-notch HISD schools! All those poor poor people would have to be subjected to the yuppie redneck brats.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, though, get over yourself. Different people have different preferences.

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[sarcasm]Would you rather that they live next door to you? I mean, if these people are as backwards, filthy, dangerous, and careless as you ascribe them to be, don't you think it might be an insurance risk to have them on your apartment block? Oh, and think of what their kids would do to the quality of our top-notch HISD schools! All those poor poor people would have to be subjected to the yuppie redneck brats.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, though, get over yourself. Different people have different preferences.

Your response is funny, actually. No, I wouldn't expect people to want to send their kids to public school (within or outside of Houston for that matter. I know that I won't). I believe that promoting this type of sprawl has a detrimental effect on society (social, environmental, political, etc.).

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My God, that's disgusting!! More banal crap even further from the core of the city. I might understand a decision to live in such mediocrity if one works in that area (within 2-3 miles from home). But, otherwise, why perpetuate this type of sickening sprawl??

I'm sure the type of person that will actually want to live in this will drive their "SUV" (please say with a strong southern drawl to get maximum effect) spitting "chewin 'backy" out of the window as they suck gallon upon gallon of fuel and spew ozone-causing pollutants into the beautiful 290 corridor! I'm gonna go throw up...

Also, just because you do not like it or do not want it, doesn't mean nobody else gets to. How much housing do you think there is inside the loop? Definitely not enough to shove all of the suburbanites into it. Plus, just because you live in the Houston area, does not mean you work downtown. And, as others have said many a time, those of us with kids appreciate the value of a good, quality education and are willing to "sacrifice" to give our kids every advantage possible.

I have never understood opponents of sprawl given our countries history of western expansion and free choice/will. Without it, we would all be living 3 miles up on a little island in NYC. No thank you, I like my backyard, my fence, my trees and my freedom to choose to do whatever it is I want.

Your response is funny, actually. No, I wouldn't expect people to want to send their kids to public school (within or outside of Houston for that matter. I know that I won't). I believe that promoting this type of sprawl has a detrimental effect on society (social, environmental, political, etc.).

So where will your kids go? Where is your evidence for detrimental effects on society?

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Also, just because you do not like it or do not want it, doesn't mean nobody else gets to. How much housing do you think there is inside the loop? Definitely not enough to shove all of the suburbanites into it. Plus, just because you live in the Houston area, does not mean you work downtown. And, as others have said many a time, those of us with kids appreciate the value of a good, quality education and are willing to "sacrifice" to give our kids every advantage possible.

I have never understood opponents of sprawl given our countries history of western expansion and free choice/will. Without it, we would all be living 3 miles up on a little island in NYC. No thank you, I like my backyard, my fence, my trees and my freedom to choose to do whatever it is I want.

So where will your kids go? Where is your evidence for detrimental effects on society?

That's fine. To each his own. I realize that people in Houston (and Texas for that matter) are used to having a yard and driving to get anywhere. Moreover, I realize that not everyone works in DT Houston (I don't either). And if one indeed works near one of these sprawled developments then I can understand the preference to live close to work. But, you can't deny that sprawl does have a negative impact on the environment (clear cutting; creation of more ground level ozone; flooding; heat islands). And the biggest issue that I have with sprawl: it creates an incentive for more and more sprawl!

My first child is due in May. He will attend private school.

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But, you can't deny that sprawl does have a negative impact on the environment (clear cutting; creation of more ground level ozone; flooding; heat islands). And the biggest issue that I have with sprawl: it creates an incentive for more and more sprawl!

For the most part, I sure can't. [shrug]

Although, for the record, as we've discussed in several previous threads, clear-cutting is all-too-often caused by overly-strict flood control regulations more than by development, itself.

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The homes that are being built in Bridgland are pretty nice. Personally, I prefer more trees, but if they can make Sugar Land and Katy nice, they'll do it in Bridgeland as well.

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Is the Bridgelands just on flat, treeless prairie? If it is, and the developers end up making it look like Sugar Land or Katy, then it won't be too bad. That is one good thing about these developments. Developers turn the flat prairie land into flat land full of trees.

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Is the Bridgelands just on flat, treeless prairie? If it is, and the developers end up making it look like Sugar Land or Katy, then it won't be too bad. That is one good thing about these developments. Developers turn the flat prairie land into flat land full of trees.

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There are a few scattered stands of trees, and of course it is pretty densely forested along Cypress Creek, but otherwise it is unremarkable. The many lakes and trees will be an improvement.

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It's actually quite beautiful along Cypress Creek there. I believe that will all be part of the natural preserve. They're using lots and lots of lakes to add interest to the landscape. There are still scattered groves of trees, but it is mostly prairie over there.

Blackhorse next door seems to have more trees, and it too is very pretty along the creek.

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Map of 'the Shores', one of the first communities in Bridgeland.

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Conceptual plan

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Is the Bridgelands just on flat, treeless prairie? If it is, and the developers end up making it look like Sugar Land or Katy, then it won't be too bad. That is one good thing about these developments. Developers turn the flat prairie land into flat land full of trees.

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Yeah when I visit friends in Cypress I can always tell how old the nighborhood is by the heigth of the 2 or 3 trees transplanted into the front yard.

And there are natural trees in Sugarland. My aunt lives in Greatwood and they have a ton of trees. My grandparents live down the road in Richmond and they have a good 20 trees on their lot.

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There are two distinct geographies in Cypress, the woods to the North of 290 and the prairie to the South of 290. I'm not sure if the prairie side was once wooded or not. I do know it used to be used for ranching and rice farming.

Yes there are trees in Sugar Land...but its not really known for that, and you have to go past Sugar Land to Crab River Rd. towards Richmond. I like that area, too. My cousin used to live in Greatwood and bought a 10-acre estate close to Richmond covered in trees.

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The areas along the Brazos River are wooded (obviously). That is about it for the Woodlands. I don't think Katy had any natural trees, though (maybe parts of northern Katy along Mayde Creek and Barker Cypress @ Saums).

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This is what's on the other side of the creek (in that Bridgeland photo above) over in Blackhorse. Cypress Creek makes a nice backdrop for each of these communities, including Cypress Creek Lakes across the street.

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Current 'main drive' through Bridgeland

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Nature trails, etc.

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Nice variety of trees along the creek

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New homes springing up

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one of the (soon to be) many bridges of 'Bridgeland'

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Future areas of growth for Bridgeland...who will be the lucky homeowner with the pumpjack?

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A blank canvas?

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Grand Opening weekend

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Model Custom home in Bridgeland

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Interesting dual sidewalks?

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Big sky country

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Bridgeland

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That place looks nice. And to think that it will be the size of the Woodlands (as big as the Woodlands is now), in fifteen years.

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For the most part, I sure can't. [shrug]

Although, for the record, as we've discussed in several previous threads, clear-cutting is all-too-often caused by overly-strict flood control regulations more than by development, itself.

I know, it's easier to just let it go than to actually care (you don't work for a developer do you?). "Overly strict?" I guess flippancy and a penchant for calling any regulation "Draconian" is what got Houston in the predicament it's been in for the last 15 years or so (e.g., Allison, roadways flooding when it rains an inch or so). That attitude (which seems to be very "Texan") is quite glib don't ya' think?

On another note, developers should be made to re-plant some of what must be clear cut due to flood control. Yes, that's a cost that would be passed on to homeowners. I can just hear it now, "Oh no, Houston's not 'dirt cheap' anymore." Frankly, I'd rather live in a place that is truly functional, moderately inexpensive and conscientiously developed (and with decent aesthetics for God's sake) rather than a place that's just a money-mongerer's paradise with no perceivable value other than an easy outlet for turning a quick buck. The irony of it all: if I didn't love my job...

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I know, it's easier to just let it go than to actually care (you don't work for a developer do you?). "Overly strict?" I guess flippancy and a penchant for calling any regulation "Draconian" is what got Houston in the predicament it's been in for the last 15 years or so (e.g., Allison, roadways flooding when it rains an inch or so). That attitude (which seems to be very "Texan") is quite glib don't ya' think?

I do not work for a developer, and despite what you may think, a disproportionate number of the projects that I deal in are urban infill. I can't give you any details because I'd reveal my identity and breach confidentiality. Not worth the risk. But right now, lets just say that if you knew what I was up to, you'd be extremely supportive. You have no idea. Just trust me. ;)

My problem with regulation is that enabling it empowers stupid people. Perhaps the current set of politicians aren't stupid, but what about the next set? I don't trust them not to screw up, whether it is by taking them too far or by creating a wasteful and entrenched bureaucracy that is more harmful to society than the problem that they seek to cure. There's just way too much historical precedent for me to believe that they won't screw it up.

So given the choice between regulation and pollution (which really is a marginal issue compared with so many others), I'll just live with the pollution.

If it is "Texan" to mistrust the government, then slap me silly and call me Haas, you yellow-bellied Yankee.

On another note, developers should be made to re-plant some of what must be clear cut due to flood control. Yes, that's a cost that would be passed on to homeowners. I can just hear it now, "Oh no, Houston's not 'dirt cheap' anymore." Frankly, I'd rather live in a place that is truly functional, moderately inexpensive and conscientiously developed (and with decent aesthetics for God's sake) rather than a place that's just a money-mongerer's paradise with no perceivable value other than an easy outlet for turning a quick buck. The irony of it all: if I didn't love my job...

How about the developer leave the tree choice to the HOA in inexpensive communities? That way, the middle- and lower-classes get to choose between having nice big trees after 20 years and having the money to spend on support of their families today. That's functionality. Who are you to make the choice for everybody?

Question: If these subdivisions have no perceivable value, then why do people buy homes there? Without a gun being pointed at their head? To me, that seems to indicate that somebody values them.

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Ok...you two...get a thread. Don't hijack mine.

So basically, in these photos you can kind of see a) what the landscape looked life before and B) what it will eventually look like. I've read that they're working with the Katy Prairie conservationists to preserve/restore parts of the land that were once grassy prairies and then turned into rice farms. They want to encourage bird habitat, etc.

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I'd seriously look there for my next home but I just don't understand how people are going to be able to get around in that area. The shopping centers, roads and schools are literally on top of each other. I went to the Home Depot on 290 one Saturday and people were driving all over the place in random patterns. I'm sure once you get in subdivision it's beautiful.

For people that need to commute downtown or to the Galleria, would it be better to take Fry to I-10 as an alternative to 290? When is the Grand Parkway going to be completed?

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I live in Longwood so I've got the option of taking either 249 or 290 depending on the traffic. I don't work downtown though, so it doesn't really matter as much for me. I think most people who live out here either work off 290, the Galleria, I-10 Energy Corridor, the Beltway, Greenspoint or FM1960 so its not that terrible of a commute....but until they widen 290, open the new Tollway on Old Hempstead Hwy and kickoff the commuter rail, downtown commuters are SOL.

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When is the Grand Parkway going to be completed?

It really depends on who you ask. Right now, they have no identifiable funding, so maybe never.

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Why not just raid John Lindsey's estate? He's made enough money on the sweetheart deals associated with this project to go ahead and fund it himself.

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Lame Duck Senator Jon Lindsay (yep, I do like saying that!) made himself a pretty good chunk of change selling off his land that was surrounded on three sides by Windrose recently also.

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