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Did you see the name of this site? Houston architecture Info Forum.

What is the point in cheerleading our city to a group of fellow residents that already know the pros and cons of our city.

LOL.

I was thinking the exact same thing, but I do have to admit, the facts that are posted up there are interesting and it helps me with my knowledge of the city from those out of town.

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Did you see the name of this site? Houston architecture Info Forum.

What is the point in cheerleading our city to a group of fellow residents that already know the pros and cons of our city.

There is way too much "Oh we're so much cooler/bigger/urban/diverse/________ than I thought we were" mindless comments here.

Well I knew (or remembered) most of the information. But wasn't aware of "Houston has the second largest volume of theatre and performance art space (in terms of square footage) in the United States ranking only behind New York " Maybe I was aware of it at one point, but i had forgotten.

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Houston Facts B)

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Houston is home to the world headquarters of more Fortune 500 companies than any city in the United States other than New York

I think we recently passed up NY in this category. Here's the thread: http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/i...;hl=fortune+500 EDIT: I just re-read the thread - and it was TEXAS who passed up NY. Houston is still #2 to NYC. Sorry, my bad.

Did you see the name of this site? Houston architecture Info Forum.

What is the point in cheerleading our city to a group of fellow residents that already know the pros and cons of our city. There is way too much "Oh we're so much cooler/bigger/urban/diverse/________ than I thought we were" mindless comments here.

As a 3rd generation Houstonian, I don't find these to be mindless comments. Sure, I've seen many of these facts before, but I thought it was interesting to see them all listed together in one nice post. A good post IMHO.

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And, SunKing, you have a problem with Houston presenting facts on its own forum? That would be your problem. And if it is a problem, you are still on the board? I am confused. HAIF (HOUSTON Architecture Info Forum). This forum can be habit forming. We recommend you go to the Dallas forum for withdrawals. :lol:

SunKing .... not you.... you are cool. (I deleted the post that started with Sun King.) Sorry, it was the wine at lunch and in my haste, I didn't realize it was a Highway 6 who posted the crap. :lol:

Whomever posted that cheerleading thing..... HIGHWAY 6. Hell, what does Highway 6 know? Christ, Highway 6 is somewhere close to nuttin'.... Thanks, Trae. I am supposed to be working and the phone is ringing and the people are asking questions and I can't think... not that I ever could. :blush:

Sun King: thank you. I like factoids too. The people who can't handle the truth will eventually dry up and blow away. :o

Did you see the name of this site? Houston architecture Info Forum.

What is the point in cheerleading our city to a group of fellow residents that already know the pros and cons of our city.

There is way too much "Oh we're so much cooler/bigger/urban/diverse/________ than I thought we were" mindless comments here.

YOU ...... mindless????? come on. I make mistakes but mindless??? Where are your contributions on this site? Come on, give 'em to me. Don't want to see what Houston Pavilions writes about our downtown, etc. Read the f**king Readers Digest. :lol::lol::lol:

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Did you see the name of this site? Houston architecture Info Forum.

What is the point in cheerleading our city to a group of fellow residents that already know the pros and cons of our city.

There is way too much "Oh we're so much cooler/bigger/urban/diverse/________ than I thought we were" mindless comments here.

Oh, for crying out loud, give the constant negativity a rest. I frequent boards such as this for several different city and NONE of the others come close in the level of NEGATIVE posts regarding the subject city. What is wrong with posting some FACTS about Houston that just happen to be positive?

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If Highway6 would have read the post just a bit closer, he might have commented on the fact that it is a LOS ANGELES developer cheerleading Houston to potential tennants for his $200 million dollar downtown project. The discussion might then have turned to what out-of-state businesses think is interesting or important about locating their stores here.

But then that might have detracted from his apparently self-appointed role of arbiter of approved content on this forum.

I can get as annoyed at houstonfella's sappy 'Texas Uber Alles' posts as anyone, but to suggest that this forum is ONLY about architecture is ridiculous. In fact, in the last year or so, it is RARELY about architecture, including many of Highway6's posts (if I cared to look them up). The point is, houstonfella has as much right to post mindless factoids as Highway6 has to criticize them...and, I have to comment about it.

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If Highway6 would have read the post just a bit closer, he might have commented on the fact that it is a LOS ANGELES developer cheerleading Houston to potential tennants for his $200 million dollar downtown project. The discussion might then have turned to what out-of-state businesses think is interesting or important about locating their stores here.

But then that might have detracted from his apparently self-appointed role of arbiter of approved content on this forum.

I can get as annoyed at houstonfella's sappy 'Texas Uber Alles' posts as anyone, but to suggest that this forum is ONLY about architecture is ridiculous. In fact, in the last year or so, it is RARELY about architecture, including many of Highway6's posts (if I cared to look them up). The point is, houstonfella has as much right to post mindless factoids as Highway6 has to criticize them...and, I have to comment about it.

as usual, well stated (what's up with the dog?) Red.

I'm not annoyed by them either, but I know some of them are those that have been stated before in other posts. I just kinda' wished there was a place we can post all those interesting little facts without making dupes or making it easier to do a fact check on without trying to do an exhaustive check on this or another system.

I also didn't realize that it was an out of state company cheerleading us on, but it would have been interesting to know the story behind it and what they think about it.

excuse me, I need more coffee.

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I wasn't putting the emphasis on architecture... I was putting the emphasis on Houston.

I realize this forum encompasses all things urban/political/Houston related and is more than just buildings. We discuss a little bit of everything and i enjoy that and was in no way objecting to that.

I'm just complaining about the cheerleading/preaching to the choir.

If there was one or two somethings on that list that stood out.. by all means.. start a post on it and lets discuss it. But to post the entire list... it's like making a promotional Houston commerical then only showing it on the air in the Houston market.

Red I agree with you on its purpose on the Pavillions site.. but we're not the investors here that need to be sold on Houston. I don't object to it being on the Pavillions site... I object to the entire list being posted on here as if its a big whoop and its stuff the majority of us don't know. We don't need to be told here Gee Houston is condsidered the energy capital of the world... I just don't see the point.

I admit I was in a bad mood and was reacting to the culmination of reading some other posts along the same lines of "Gee I didnt know we were so awesome" in some other threads. Houstonfella.. I apologize.

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That's an interesting little list they compiled there.

Random thoughts:

- I would believe it about Houston being the fourth best restaurant city. If anything, I think we should rank higher when you consider the diversity, quality of service and prices.

- I had never heard that about being the most ethnically diverse. For some reason I was thinking it was LA. Does anyone know the source for that?

- If you have to boast about your fine art museums in terms of volume, it might be better to say nothing. Volume aside, MFAH and Menil are both very good.

- Quoting Convention & Visitors Bureau projections of increases in conventions is a bit of a stretch. I might be projecting that I will become a millionaire next year, but it's not something I would want to be quoted on. :D

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I wasn't putting the emphasis on architecture... I was putting the emphasis on Houston.

I realize this forum encompasses all things urban/political/Houston related and is more than just buildings. We discuss a little bit of everything and i enjoy that and was in no way objecting to that.

I'm just complaining about the cheerleading/preaching to the choir.

If there was one or two somethings on that list that stood out.. by all means.. start a post on it and lets discuss it. But to post the entire list... it's like making a promotional Houston commerical then only showing it on the air in the Houston market.

Red I agree with you on its purpose on the Pavillions site.. but we're not the investors here that need to be sold on Houston. I don't object to it being on the Pavillions site... I object to the entire list being posted on here as if its a big whoop and its stuff the majority of us don't know. We don't need to be told here Gee Houston is condsidered the energy capital of the world... I just don't see the point.

I admit I was in a bad mood and was reacting to the culmination of reading some other posts along the same lines of "Gee I didnt know we were so awesome" in some other threads. Houstonfella.. I apologize.

At first, I was perturbed by your post up there. And then, after reading this, part of me just slightly...slightly...agrees with you. But just slightly. I think it is great to trumpet our city, so that list of Houston attributes was fine by me, especially comming from an outside source such as those LA investors. But at the same time, we may not want to come across with that quality that Dallas people oooze: where they constantly proclaim themselves to be the almighty epidome of this, or that. Dallas really comes across as a city begging to be admired for it's allmighty greatness, practilcally saying "Looky here, Dallas is the sophistication center of the universe. Yes we are. Yes we are." I know we dont even come close to that and Houstonians will be the first to rant an yell at all the reality of crap and drainage that exists in our city that we need to improve and fix. We're realists. We're different in that way. Having said that, there really wasnt anything wrong with this particular list of H-town coolness, it really wasnt anybody overly anxious to show off. It was just a nice thing to read from an outside source, which I think we all enjoy when it happens. Heck, more often than not we get bad press. So by all means, lets post positive things like this when they come about. But I guess I kinda saw where you were coming from in your complaint there.

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That's an interesting little list they compiled there.

Random thoughts:

- I would believe it about Houston being the fourth best restaurant city. If anything, I think we should rank higher when you consider the diversity, quality of service and prices.

- I had never heard that about being the most ethnically diverse. For some reason I was thinking it was LA. Does anyone know the source for that?

- If you have to boast about your fine art museums in terms of volume, it might be better to say nothing. Volume aside, MFAH and Menil are both very good.

- Quoting Convention & Visitors Bureau projections of increases in conventions is a bit of a stretch. I might be projecting that I will become a millionaire next year, but it's not something I would want to be quoted on. :D

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Had to laugh at loud at that one. Midtown is a distinct neighborhood, it's deceptive to lump it in with downtown. Downtown's population would be even bigger if they included the Montrose, or the Galleria area! :lol:

- Another volume "statistic." <_< The Chronicle investigated this claim a couple of years back. It should be qualified by adding that it is true only if one measures seats in officially designated theater districts in "concentrated areas."

I guess the point is that we have a lot to be proud of, and there's nothing wrong with lists like this, but it doesn't help the message when they toss in bogus points.

Very true.

And I also rolled my eyes at the 18,000 number that includes Midtown's population stats with DT's. Very disingenuous. As it shows, with most rah-rah charts, the statistics are often inaccurate or exaggerated, and it's not just in Houston but pretty much everywhere. Kind of like the fluff you hear from dealers concerning a new car.

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Some of this is pure jingoism.

Houston is ranked as the fourth best restaurant city in the United States by Wine Spectator and Esquire magazines anyone know who the other three are??

Magazine rankings are worthless because they change each year. For what year is this ranking? I know cities that still promote themselves as "Most Liveable" even though the rank was from some obscure magazine ten years ago. Also, magazines have been known to ...ahem... adjust their rankings to favor cities where readership is down in order to generate media buzz and get people to buy their magazines again.

Houston is the most ethnically diverse city in the United States - with 83 consulates, Houston has the third largest consular corps in the nation
Yes, Houston has a lot of consulates. But how many actual EMBASSIES? And is that even a way to measure ethnic diversity? No. It just shows that Houston has responsibility for a large region. There are 209 nationalities represented in the New York City public schools system. I think that's a much better measure of how ethnically diverse a city is.
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Yes, Houston has a lot of consulates. But how many actual EMBASSIES? And is that even a way to measure ethnic diversity? No. It just shows that Houston has responsibility for a large region. There are 209 nationalities represented in the New York City public schools system. I think that's a much better measure of how ethnically diverse a city is.

Using the same Census Bureau dataset they used, the residential population of downtown Chicago is 251,220. My NEIGHBORHOOD alone is 32,113. Heck, when my APARTMENT COMPLEX is finished we're supposed to have 15,000 people. Put another way -- 18,600 people isn't even a television ratings point.

Houston is home to the world's largest medical center

I've heard the same claim from New York, Tokyo, and Moscow.

Houston has no embassies, OF COURSE. Embassies are only located in capital cities. How many embassies does Chicago have? I don't think anyone said or suggested that the number of consulates was the way to measure ethnic diversity. (In fact, since Houston is not the number THREE city for consulates, it is obvious that is NOT the way ethnic diversity has been measured. I don't remember where, but I have seen this study before that named Houston the most ethnicially diverse. And it wasn't just based on the number os nationalities represented in the public schools either.)

RE: population. How is it that you know what Census Bureua dataset they used? And how did you come up with 250,000 for Chicago? Talk about "tourist bureau manipulation" and "fact distortion"... Everything I find online puts downtown Chicago's population closer to 50,000. (and you're bragging about an apartment complex housing 15,000 people? Sheesh. Where are you, Calcutta? That sounds hideous)

RE: the medical center claim. Just because other cities may have made the same claim does not automatically mean Houston's claim is untrue. Is there really a medical center in NYC, Tokyo, or Moscow that even comes close in size to the Texas Medical Center? I doubt it, but don't know for sure. I know I've never seen any evidence that Houston's claim is untrue. As we have seen in some past threads, you seem to be quite eager to assume that Houston's claims are not true.

For such a fan of Houston, we sure seem to be able to count on you to put a negative spin on any news out of Houston, in any way you can, whether logical or not.

Folks, this list was from the Houston Pavilions website. It's just a list of things about Houston they have up there to help market the development to potential retail tenants. That's the purpose for listing downtown (including Midtown) population. All of these people have easy pedestrian, auto, and train access to Houston Pavilions. (if I were them I would have included all of the other near-downtown neighborhods, as well.) And they were no deceitful or disingenuous about it; they clearly said 'including midtown'.

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Looks like I hit a nerve. Sorry about that.

I don't think anyone said or suggested that the number of consulates was the way to measure ethnic diversity.

I think the original post did. Perhaps you should re-read where it says, "Houston is the most ethnically diverse city in the United States - with 83 consulates, Houston has the third largest consular corps in the nation"

RE: population. How is it that you know what Census Bureua dataset they used? And how did you come up with 250,000 for Chicago? Talk about "tourist bureau manipulation" and "fact distortion"... Everything I find online puts downtown Chicago's population closer to 50,000.
The Chicago figure comes from the Census Bureau totals for the downtown Chicago ZIP codes -- primarily 60611 (26,522), 60610 (47,513), 60622 (76,015 ), and 60614 (65,474) which are the areas most commonly referred to as "downtown Chicago."
(and you're bragging about an apartment complex housing 15,000 people? Sheesh. Where are you, Calcutta? That sounds hideous)

They have these things now called "res-ee-den-shul sky-scrapers" where lots of people can live on a smaller patch of land. I wouldn't exactly call it hideous. By putting people in towers it allows them to be grouped around a six acre park with an open field, a dog run area, and a children's playground. Since you've demonstrated that you have no idea what you're talking about, here's a couple of pictures of what's been done so far:

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And when it's done:

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RE: the medical center claim. Just because other cities may have made the same claim does not automatically mean Houston's claim is untrue. Is there really a medical center in NYC, Tokyo, or Moscow that even comes close in size to the Texas Medical Center? I doubt it, but don't know for sure. I know I've never seen any evidence that Houston's claim is untrue. As we have seen in some past threads, you seem to be quite eager to assume that Houston's claims are not true.
You don't know, but you place faith in the claims of an organization whose sole purpose is to promote itself. That's fine. I'm a different kind of person. I'm automatically skeptical whenever I read "world's biggest" anything. In my experience it's rarely the "world's biggest." It's usually just the biggest one that the person making the claim has ever heard of. I wouldn't be surprised if there were medical centers in China that dwarf those anywhere in the Western world. But since none of us can read Chinese and don't live there, we're stuck with dubious claims of "world's largest."
For such a fan of Houston, we sure seem to be able to count on you to put a negative spin on any news out of Houston, in any way you can, whether logical or not.

I only very rarely participate in the HAIF discussions, so it's possible that you may be confusing me with other people. I try not to participate too much since I don't live in Houston anymore I prefer to assume that people down there are better in tune with what's going on. Also, for whatever reason, when I leave HAIF alone it seems to grow better than when I pay attention to it.

Folks, this list was from the Houston Pavilions website. It's just a list of things about Houston they have up there to help market the development to potential retail tenants. That's the purpose for listing downtown (including Midtown) population. All of these people have easy pedestrian, auto, and train access to Houston Pavilions. (if I were them I would have included all of the other near-downtown neighborhods, as well.) And they were no deceitful or disingenuous about it; they clearly said 'including midtown'.

I maintain that 18,000 people including Midtown is nothing to be proud of. In a city with the number of people that Houston has and the age of the city, its downtown and near downtown neighborhoods are underdeveloped. But this isn't the place for that discussion. There's probably a dozen or more threads covering the same topic. My point in replying to the OP was to point out the lame PR job being done.

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I have done the highrise thing; but now, I have my own yard, pool, bath house, detached garage, and tropical front and back yards (less than 20 minutes from work). I can walk my doggie in the neighborhood or just let him out the back door. B) I think it is cool for people to live in highrises. The views are magnificent, especially like in Chicago or San Francisco or New York where you have lots of water. When I lived at the Houston House (I was pretty young and we practically were asked to leave after the lease was up because we were much too loud for that place), but the view on the 23rd floor (to the west overlooking the city) was cool. We could leave the patio doors open (there were two patios) and jam and watch the sunset behind the cityscape. Now I can imagine having a park a few blocks away (Discovery Green) and how much nicer highrise living is going to be downtown in a few short years. I learned one thing about highrise living: there were never any mosquitoes that high up. I'll be some of you didn't know about that little fact. ;)

P.S. There's nothing wrong with people who love their hometowns. New Yorkers often boast it is the world's greatest city; Chicago boasts of the Miracle Mile; L.A. is the City of Angels; St. Louis is the Gateway to the West; Houston is Energy Capital of the World; Dallas bills itself Big D. I do agree about magazine lists: they are baseless and ridiculous. One year Houston is the fattest city; the next it has dropped significantly and Chicago is the fattest. Huh? Something wrong with that picture. Besides, what is liveable? Hell, we all live somewhere. :blink:

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I think the original post did. Perhaps you should re-read where it says, "Houston is the most ethnically diverse city in the United States - with 83 consulates, Houston has the third largest consular corps in the nation"

Perhaps it is you who should read again. Since you have demonsrated that you have no ability to comprehend simple English, I'll explain if for you: Those are clearly and obviously two separate thoughts, separated by a hyphen. Each stands alone. It is quite obvious that the second clause is not there to "prove" the first clause, because it does not in any way prove the statement made in the first clause. If the second clause were there to support the first clause, the first clause would have to read "Houston is the third most ethnically diverse city in the United States. (Not only did you demonstrate your inability to comprehend, you also demontrated that you "have no idea what you are talking about" with your earlier question about embassies.)

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I'm not sure if this is something to be proud of, or not. Someone in the arts community might have a better idea than I, but isn't it a GOOD thing if your arts groups tour?

The symphony has toured the US, Germany, Singapore, Japan among a few. They also performed at Carnegie Hall in January.

The opera has toured Europe and Asia and is the only opera company to win a Tony [extra brag there ;) ]

The ballet has toured the US, Canada, the UK, Europe, China and other parts of Asia. They used to tour more than any major ballet company in the US-not sure if that still applies.

I don't care if lists like these are published here or not. I think it's fine to toot your own horn-just as I think it's fine for Highway6 or any of us to have a cranky day.

If I have any concern at all, it's people like Poppahop who really don't seem to care but go to the trouble of posting long, boring posts to show us just that. :wacko:

So brag away if you are so inclined.

B)

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The Chicago figure comes from the Census Bureau totals for the downtown Chicago ZIP codes -- primarily 60611 (26,522), 60610 (47,513), 60622 (76,015 ), and 60614 (65,474) which are the areas most commonly referred to as "downtown Chicago."

Yes, we can all make up our own definitions of what constitutes downtown and then string together a bunch of zip codes to come up with a number we like. Every source I can find online gives numbers for downtown Chicago FAR lower than you are feeding us. Again, you seem to have demonstrated that you "have no idea what you are talking about." Enough already with the "tourist bureau manipulation" and "fact distortion".

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They have these things now called "res-ee-den-shul sky-scrapers" where lots of people can live on a smaller patch of land. I wouldn't exactly call it hideous. By putting people in towers it allows them to be grouped around a six acre park with an open field, a dog run area, and a children's playground. Since you've demonstrated that you have no idea what you're talking about, here's a couple of pictures of what's been done so far:

956054_w.jpg

53Thumb.jpg

2006216132023208.jpg

And when it's done:

lse_d_ren007d.jpg

Don't be an idiot. We are all familar with residential skyscrapers. You must be referring to Lakeshore East. A lovely development to be sure, but calling that an "apartment complex" is, shall we say, a bit misleading...?? That's like calling Dallas' Victory Park an "apartment complex." And I'm the one who has "no idea what [i'm] talking about?"

You don't know, but you place faith in the claims of an organization whose sole purpose is to promote itself. That's fine. I'm a different kind of person. I'm automatically skeptical whenever I read "world's biggest" anything. In my experience it's rarely the "world's biggest." It's usually just the biggest one that the person making the claim has ever heard of. I wouldn't be surprised if there were medical centers in China that dwarf those anywhere in the Western world. But since none of us can read Chinese and don't live there, we're stuck with dubious claims of "world's largest."

When an organization's claims comport with my own experience and knowledge, and when I have never seen any evidence to the contrary, yes, I'm willing to accept their claims, subject always to being disproven. (And not speaking Chinese or living in China is not a bar to knowing anything about China; that's just silliness on stilts. Since we neither speak Chinese nor live there, must we also assume that China may have an airport busier than O'Hare and therefore not believe O'Hare's claim to be the world's 2nd busiest airport?)

I only very rarely participate in the HAIF discussions, so it's possible that you may be confusing me with other people. I try not to participate too much since I don't live in Houston anymore I prefer to assume that people down there are better in tune with what's going on. Also, for whatever reason, when I leave HAIF alone it seems to grow better than when I pay attention to it.

No. I am not confusing you with other people. (I have a very good memory.)

RE: your final sentence above; Let me just say, "hmmmmm, go figure."

I maintain that 18,000 people including Midtown is nothing to be proud of. In a city with the number of people that Houston has and the age of the city, its downtown and near downtown neighborhoods are underdeveloped. But this isn't the place for that discussion. There's probably a dozen or more threads covering the same topic. My point in replying to the OP was to point out the lame PR job being done.

Again, you demonstrate you have trouble comprehending. This was not a Chamber of Commerce PR piece. It was a list of facts about Houston published on the website for Houston Pavilions, presumably to develop interest among prospective retail tenants. (And yes, indeed we have had plenty of discussions about Houston's downtown development; so stop bringing it up already. But FWIW, Houston's downtown development and near-downtown development is not appreciably different from similarly situtated cities. And yes, we all know that Chicago is of a similar age, but it had its massive growth very early in its existence and so has an altogether different development pattern than Houston). You may not like some of the information presented. You may not be impressed with some of the information presented, but just because you are predisposed to disbelieve anything good about Houston does not make the information untrue.

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Don't be an idiot. We are all familar with residential skyscrapers. You must be referring to Lakeshore East. A lovely development to be sure, but calling that an "apartment complex" is, shall we say, a bit misleading...?? That's like calling Dallas' Victory Park an "apartment complex." And I'm the one who has "no idea what [i'm] talking about?"

When an organization's claims comport with my own experience and knowledge, and when I have never seen any evidence to the contrary, yes, I'm willing to accept their claims, subject always to being disproven. (And not speaking Chinese or living in China is not a bar to knowing anything about China; that's just silliness on stilts. Since we neither speak Chinese nor live there, must we also assume that China may have an airport busier than O'Hare and therefore not believe O'Hare's claim to be the world's 2nd busiest airport?)

No. I am not confusing you with other people. (I have a very good memory.)

RE: your final sentence above; Let me just say, "hmmmmm, go figure."

Again, you demonstrate you have trouble comprehending. This was not a Chamber of Commerce PR piece. It was a list of facts about Houston published on the website for Houston Pavilions, presumably to develop interest among prospective retail tenants. (And yes, indeed we have had plenty of discussions about Houston's downtown development; so stop bringing it up already. But FWIW, Houston's downtown development and near-downtown development is not appreciably different from similarly situtated cities. And yes, we all know that Chicago is of a similar age, but it had its massive growth very early in its existence and so has an altogether different development pattern than Houston). You may not like some of the information presented. You may not be impressed with some of the information presented, but just because you are predisposed to disbelieve anything good about Houston does not make the information untrue.

You hit the nail on the head with this post hou19514. When you travel and stay in hotels, the city in which you are staying will put out magazines with all the things to do there and how great their city is, including museums, sports stadia and theater, etc. Houston isn't different from any of these other places. No, we don't have the most residential highrises in the world. But, yes, we definitely do have the most residential highrises than any other city in Texas. By the way, in this century, Houston is growing inside its city limits and Chicago is losing population to surrounding areas, like Detroit has been doing.

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By the way, in this century, Houston is growing inside its city limits and Chicago is losing population to surrounding areas, like Detroit has been doing.

Not true. In Chicago, families are moving to the suburbs, being replaced by singles and couples...people like the editor and his wife. There is a net loss of population, but not households. Detroit is losing households, as few of any type is moving into the city.

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I have a lot of respect for the great urban cities of this nation, and when I say that I pretty much mean NYC, Chicago, maybe SF, probably Boston, etc. I'm not impressed too much with LA because it is so spread out. And yes, I love what Houston has done these last hundred fifty years or so with what essentially is a flood-prone swampland. And we should all be proud of what we have become and what this city will become in the future. What I dont have a lot of respect for are ingrown toe-nails. That's one of the reasons that I drink. Be that as it may, the bottom line is that the editor could shut my postings down whenever he damn pleases, and as such, I opt for reservation in postings of what really is on my mine, right now.

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^^^I agree, i'll hold my thoughts when i'm posting one someone else's message board. I do know that Houston ain't no Chicago but i look forward to seeing Houston thrive on to its journey of becoming a World Class City.

Houston is starting to get alot more respect lately. At least i don't hear or read about as many people calling it ugly like they were doing Pre-superbowl.I just hope that the sprawl, conjestion, and lack of zoning continues to be nipped in the bud.

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I'm not going to bounce him for flaming. I think he's gone overboard with his defense, but I guess passion is a good thing.

I'm going to really make him steam by NOT responding to his posts. That'll probably drive him nuts.

If he wants to really do something to promote Houston's image, then maybe he should cough up $7k a year to keep HAIF alive like I do.

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I was reading this thread by chance, for a story I am writing. Though I live in NYC, my home will always be Houston. I just wanted to respond to Poppahop's response - his "Who Cares" about everything regarding fine and performing arts. First, you say this does not matter? TO YOU. I personally enjoying taking in a show or play. I also love art exhibits, and so do all my friends. Obviously there are different tastes running the gamut and the point of a great city is to provide entertainment, culture, and opportunities for all interests and walks of life. Just because YOU don't know anyone who likes these art things doesn't mean anything other than your friends are similar to you and mine are similar to me - that is how friends form a bond, common interests.

Further, you (and someone else?) mention that the number of square footage does not mean too much? And that maybe a permanent symphony/ballet means they don't tour? Well, first, most cities have performing companies but are not year round due to lack of funds to pay artisit and performers. To know that Houston has year round companies shows great interest in the arts and that people are getting a little more culture, other that a football game (of which I have season tix mind you). Also, Houston companies tour all the time, they have more money to gear up for a tour! ADDITIONALLY, because we have so much square footage and venues, we are a perfect candidate for other travelling companies that might otherwise forgo other cities with limited or lacking facilities. This in turn makes us a destination for art and for entertainment, especially from an outside perspective. Locally, I get to see international talent from around the world, and from a business standpoint, investors might one day see Houston as a place to do something great. You never know, but at least we have infrastructure on par with other premier cities.

P.S. - who cares about having a one of the world's largest port system?????? What about the employment it provides? Jesus, that is worth its weight in gold!

Also---we all know Chicago is ahead of Houston in terms of development. They have alot more people. That is key. When we reach certain popular statistics, that spurs development, if not by vision, but by neccesity. When we reach that saturation point, we will have what we always knew Houston could be. Until then, enjoy the ride.

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I lived in the following major cites for more than 3 months and i like to explore the ambiance of the towns and people, when i am out of town mostly vacation i try to enjoy the local flavor.

Dal-Worth

Oklahoma city, 3 months after bombing

Kansas City Kansas

Kansas City Missouri, Lost my $bee-hind$ on the river.

New Orleans

San Antonio

Austin

Lubbock

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I'm not going to bounce him for flaming. I think he's gone overboard with his defense, but I guess passion is a good thing.

I'm going to really make him steam by NOT responding to his posts. That'll probably drive him nuts.

If he wants to really do something to promote Houston's image, then maybe he should cough up $7k a year to keep HAIF alive like I do.

Editor, all of us appreciate the awesome job you do. Your thoughts and posts are totally respected and I believe you are fair and non-judgmental and handle a lot of crazy posts (yes, mine are in there) with a lot of class. For that, on behalf of HAIFers, we thank you. :wub:

I was a little surprised that posting some facts about our great big town here on the coast would cause a wild thread. Oh, well, we all have our opinions and ideas. Happy Holidays folks! B)

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I second that...the editor DOES pay the bills for the most part so perhaps a little respect is due.

Likewise a little respect is due from him to the members who make this board what it is. Please read the post to which I was responding before telling me how to behave.

I want to know why 19514 is SOOOOOOOOO angry. These are just words on an electronic message board. Let me suggest to 19514 that there are places you can go for that.

Where's the anger? I just correct misstatements of fact and misrepresentations. AND sometimes I respond in a manner similar to that to which I am subjected. (See Editor's first response to me)

I second that...the editor DOES pay the bills for the most part so perhaps a little respect is due.

(and he also gets the advertising revenue.)

Hey guys, just because the editor is the grand poohbah, is that supposed to make his statements immune from criticism? I surely hope not.

I'm not going to bounce him for flaming. I think he's gone overboard with his defense, but I guess passion is a good thing.

I'm going to really make him steam by NOT responding to his posts. That'll probably drive him nuts.

If he wants to really do something to promote Houston's image, then maybe he should cough up $7k a year to keep HAIF alive like I do.

Not bounce me for flaming? Where is the flaming? If I am guilty of flaming, my friend, so are you. The words in my post that are possibly "flaming" were all from your post. Perhaps I should have just called you on it and moved on, not allowing myself to get drug down to that level of discourse. For that I apologize to the board and to myself. (And no, it will not drive me nuts that you didn't respond to my posts. I'm not in here for childish games. I'm here to get and share accurate information; therefore when I see misstatements and mischaracterizations, I correct them. That's all.)

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