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Yay! First post! Been browsing this forum for weeks, figured it was time to join. Anyhow, introductions aside, I agree with wxman. Although Turnberry may have looked pretty nice to many and was going

Amen to that. I want steel, etched glass, titanium, curves and angles. Something more interesting, void of the "blue pants, white shoes and the $6.95 early bird special" look.

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That actually sounds like an interesting venture. Never really considered the views available. And it would certainly bring more of a touristy element to the water wall and environs--though, you worry about some developers' penchant for cheese when constructing these type things.

We'll see.

It could be a mini central park for us. The summer would never be an issue, it is ALWAYS 10 degree cooler will all the mist coming from the fountain. Great potential.

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Any word on this? thanks!

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Sorry, here is the photo I promised, just forgot to post.

The clubhouse or whatever it is, is on the left.

I took this photo looking southeast from the Nordstrom/Macy's parking garage.

You can also see the completed Empire on the right.

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Sorry, here is the photo I promised, just forgot to post.

The clubhouse or whatever it is, is on the left.

I took this photo looking southeast from the Nordstrom/Macy's parking garage.

You can also see the completed Empire on the right.

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I went to Houston about 2 weeks ago and went through the Galleria area forgot to look at this and other projects I wanted to see. When I got to the area I got so cought up looking at that new book store and stuff in the Galleria where Lord And Taylor use to be. Everytime I go to Houston I for get how big it really is. I also wanted to see the highrise going up where that James Conney Island was in Uptown, how is that going along.

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I went to Houston about 2 weeks ago and went through the Galleria area forgot to look at this and other projects I wanted to see. When I got to the area I got so cought up looking at that new book store and stuff in the Galleria where Lord And Taylor use to be. Everytime I go to Houston I for get how big it really is. I also wanted to see the highrise going up where that James Conney Island was in Uptown, how is that going along.

Not to get too far off topic, but how IS the new bookstore and stuff in the Galleria where L&T used to be? Any one have any pics?

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Not to get too far off topic, but how IS the new bookstore and stuff in the Galleria where L&T used to be? Any one have any pics?

Nope, that is a Borders and is one the Westhiemer side of the Galleria.

This photo is not within the Galleria complex, but rather just south of it off Hildago.

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The structure in question is definitely a sales center and it won't be ready until early spring.

As I said earlier in this thread, the Sales Center will definitely contain a model apartment along with offices for the sales staff.

Expect to see information about the project within the next couple of months.

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Here are some previous Turnberry projects, which hopefully give us an idea of what is to come!

Turnberry Towers: Las Vegas (there are actually a pair of towers)

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Turnberry Place: Las Vegas

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Turnberry Ocean Colony: Miami?

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Turnberry Beach House: Miami

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Anyway, these where just grabed off google image search so you can probably find some nicer pictures if your interested. Check out their residential portion of their website http://www.turnberryltd.com/index.php?pageName=home. Its kind of exciting.

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Someone posted this article in the wrong thread, so I am posting it here for documentation where it belongs.

and yes, sadly it has lost 4 floors, but supposedly it was possibly going to be 34, so 38 is a nice compromise, and still significant.

More plush towers going up in Galleria

Houston Business Journal - February 16, 2007by Jennifer DawsonHouston Business Journal

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A 38-story condo tower planned by Florida-based Turnberry Associates also waits in the wings just south of the Galleria between Hidalgo and West Alabama.

John Breeding, president of the Uptown Houston District, says the explosion of residential development by multiple developers shows that the properties are performing well.

More on the article here.

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Someone posted this article in the wrong thread, so I am posting it here for documentation where it belongs.

and yes, sadly it has lost 4 floors, but supposedly it was possibly going to be 34, so 38 is a nice compromise, and still significant.

More plush towers going up in Galleria

Houston Business Journal - February 16, 2007by Jennifer DawsonHouston Business Journal

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A 38-story condo tower planned by Florida-based Turnberry Associates also waits in the wings just south of the Galleria between Hidalgo and West Alabama.

John Breeding, president of the Uptown Houston District, says the explosion of residential development by multiple developers shows that the properties are performing well.

More on the article here.

Thanks for the update. In terms of height relative to the surrounding towers in UT, with the Williams Tower as an exception, will this tower, at 38 stories, stick out? I am sure the design is going to be mostly steel and glass, like similar Turnberry projects. But, i am not familiar with the heights of the surrounding towers. Is this one to be significantly taller? Any comparisons are appreciated.

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Thanks for the update. In terms of height relative to the surrounding towers in UT, with the Williams Tower as an exception, will this tower, at 38 stories, stick out? I am sure the design is going to be mostly steel and glass, like similar Turnberry projects. But, i am not familiar with the heights of the surrounding towers. Is this one to be significantly taller? Any comparisons are appreciated.

m. :)

At 38 stories it will stick out plenty in that area. The only building close to that height would be Williams and the Mark.

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At 38 stories it will stick out plenty in that area. The only building close to that height would be Williams and the Mark.

Yeah, I'm actually a bit concerned that this building will diminish the impact of Williams Tower on the Galleria area skyline. It'll just look less imposing with something so tall right next to it.

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How many stories is the Williams Tower, I doubt it would diminish the Impact. Uptown is builind many medium sized structures, I wonder when and if we would see something as tall as the Williams over there.

Williams is 64 stories.

This new Turnberry tower will be roughly half the size.

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Well, let's look at other new residential highrises...

The Mercer is 400 feet at 30 stories

One Park Place will be 501 feet at 37 stories

Dominion Post Oak is 351 feet at 31 stories

Montebello is 330 feet at 30 stories

I know amenities will differ and that floor heights won't be exactly the same on each flor as what's in those other buildings but in general, it looks like a 38-story tower will net you somewhere between 425 - 475 feet.

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I know amenities will differ and that floor heights won't be exactly the same on each flor as what's in those other buildings but in general, it looks like a 38-story tower will net you somewhere between 425 - 475 feet.

And since according to Emporis, Williams Tower is 901 ft.

That would put the new Turnberry tower at roughly 47.2% to 52.7% according to your bldg ht. estimates based on surrounding residential projects.

or in other words..

... roughly half the size.

Which, don't get me wrong Niche... that is still quite a presence right next to Williams....... But roughly 50% is less a presence than 60%

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If you're gonna be that nitpicky.. I assume you took into consideration the difference in floor to floor heights between residential and office spaces? :)

No, as I don't know how high the ceilings will be in the new building. I also did not take into account any structured parking on which the residential building may sit. I don't have enough information to do anything other than compare the number of stories.

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No, as I don't know how high the ceilings will be in the new building. I also did not take into account any structured parking on which the residential building may sit. I don't have enough information to do anything other than compare the number of stories.

If it is being billed as a 38 story, that includes the parking. Thats not 38 stories of residencs on top of x levels of parking.

You can't just compare stories between two completely differnent types of buildings.

Even with Condo type ceiling hts of 11-12' ceilings, a residential highrise will have a smaller Floor to floor than an office building.

Office buildings ususally have over 13'-14' floor to floor.

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If it is being billed as a 38 story, that includes the parking. Thats not 38 stories of residencs on top of x levels of parking.

Notice that two towers are planned for this relatively small site and that a third tower is entirely possible. Seems to me that structured parking underneath the residential floors is likely, but no specific mention was made.

When there is ambiguity and your only source is media coverage, do not assume that you actually know anything.

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For comparison sake.. the Cosmpolitan has 12' FtoF on it's residential levels, is 24 floors total including 6 parking levels.. it will top out at 315'.. IF we add another 14 floors, that would put us at 480' for 38 floors..

Well, that would mean more of it is for the parking garage too, not to nitpick! :P

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You can't just compare stories between two completely differnent types of buildings.

Even with Condo type ceiling hts of 11-12' ceilings, a residential highrise will have a smaller Floor to floor than an office building.

Office buildings ususally have over 13'-14' floor to floor.

Office buildings typically have 10-foot ceilings and 4-foot service spaces between floors. How large would the service space be between floors in a condo building with 12-foot ceilings?

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Well, that would mean more of it is for the parking garage too, not to nitpick! :P

replacing a residential level with parking level would make the overall ht go down..

Notice that two towers are planned for this relatively small site and that a third tower is entirely possible. Seems to me that structured parking underneath the residential floors is likely, but no specific mention was made.

When there is ambiguity and your only source is media coverage, do not assume that you actually know anything.

I was simply assuming the same thing you were... that we are dealing with a 38 story building.

When a media report states the levels of a building.. or when a developer tells the media the ht of a new project, in stories, I think its safe to assume that they are talking over all..... not the levels of just one apect of the building.

You assumed office floors are typically equal to residential floors... you thought you knew what you were talking about.

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Office buildings typically have 10-foot ceilings and 4-foot service spaces between floors. How large would the service space be between floors in a condo building with 12-foot ceilings?

Condos have smaller service spaces.

Mechanically the two building types work differently.. they don't have equal service areas spead over the entire area like an office does.

If you're in a 12' floor to ceiling living room, the concrete you might see above you is the next slab up.

And unlike offices, you don't have endless grids of flourescant lightings... your drop down ceilings can be much smaller, or in some places non-existent. Where you try to have the bulk of mechanical systems is above where you wouldnt need those ceiling hts... closets, bathrooms, kitchens....

Also.. back to parking garages... Williams has detached parking like most offices. Most residential highrises need less parking than the office equivalent, so it can afford to stack the parking under the residential.... which means, thats a floor that has gone down to a 10' floor to floor parking level from a 12' or 14' residential floor. ... most office towers don't have as much luxury to include several 10' parking level in its overall floor total thus shaving off 20-25'... they're typically stuck with the 14' hts throughout.

I'm simply saying... based on what we do know, 38 stories.. and based on what I know.. that a x level residential tower will typically be shorter than a x level office tower..... that it should be closer to 50% and not 60% of Williams 900 ft.

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Hey Highway6-

Where did you find the building height for the Cosmo? Is it really going to top out at 315'? Also, when did they add 4 floors to the project? I heard a rumor they were increasing the size from 20 floors but is the final version going to be 24 floors?

Thanks in advance!

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Hey Highway6-

Where did you find the building height for the Cosmo? Is it really going to top out at 315'? Also, when did they add 4 floors to the project? I heard a rumor they were increasing the size from 20 floors but is the final version going to be 24 floors?

Thanks in advance!

I don't know when it was 20 floors or when floors got added.

I know its 24 floors - 15 residential, 2 lobby, 5 parking, 2 mech floors

I have friends that work for the design firm... and I assume the information shared with me was current since its under construction.

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The original announcement was for a 20 floor tower. I think pre-sales were so strong they added some residential floors. If you go to www.brandallen.com and search their projects, you'll find the reference to a 20 story tower.

Thanks for the update though. Do you know if it indeed will top out at 315'? I've been searching for www.emporis for awhile but have kept coming up empty on trying to find the actual height to list it under. Thanks again. It's a cool looking building.

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The original announcement was for a 20 floor tower. I think pre-sales were so strong they added some residential floors. If you go to www.brandallen.com and search their projects, you'll find the reference to a 20 story tower.

Thanks for the update though. Do you know if it indeed will top out at 315'? I've been searching for www.emporis for awhile but have kept coming up empty on trying to find the actual height to list it under. Thanks again. It's a cool looking building.

most architectural firms are pretty bad about updating project info on their websites.

the one associate dealing with the website, if the website is even done in-house, might not have anything to do with a specific project. details like that surely woudln't be updated all that often as scope and details of projects change all the time.... i imagine it won't be corrected until its finished, if ever.

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Notice that two towers are planned for this relatively small site and that a third tower is entirely possible. Seems to me that structured parking underneath the residential floors is likely, but no specific mention was made.

When there is ambiguity and your only source is media coverage, do not assume that you actually know anything.

That's news to me. I thought this site was always planned to have just one tower. Are you thinking of the new thread on the 2 35 story towers next to Walgreens on Sage @ Westheimer?

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It looks pretty much like how I thought it would look, except I thought they'd go with some form of a light green, blue or mango.

They all do look alike don't they.

Almost like they are reharshing designs from previous buildings.

Still, a nice location, will likely be the most expensive condo building, since you really can walk to the Galleria mall faster than you could get into your car, drive across the street and re-park.

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Banal, uninspired, yet in keeping with the recent additions to our skyline! Seriously, why couldn't we get some steel and glass for God's sake??? Tunnel form crap is all this is....

If you know Turnberry, there was no reason to be so anticipated to know what the design would look like.

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Which Turnberry are you talking about, Steel and Glass for their Houston projects. . . not even close.

Ummm, i think i was referring to Post #165, although i just saw the renderings for the Galleria project this morning. Disapointing.

;)

^^^

And by disapointing, i mean i wish it did not look so much like many of the other highrises that have been erected UT in the past few years. I understand continuity- but it is beginning to look cookie-cutter like. Hmmm. Maybe there will be some revisions. We can hope.

Also- in my reference to Turnberry's glass and steel- i was specifically referring to their Miami project.

m.

AH yes, more tombstones and urinals!

yay! :lol:

Exactly. (sigh)

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If this rendering is correct or even close, all I can say is Blaahhh! Can't anyone come up with something other than a beige in color? I would have also prefered a little sleeker lines. It's almost the exact design of the Dominion Post Oak which on the surface doesn't seem so bad, however if the Dominion boys decide to even somewhat duplicate there existing tower, we'll have cookie cutter city.

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