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are you referring to the hewitt campus between lake woodlands drive and research forest? the next waterway square building should break ground in the next couple of months. i do not know the proposed square footage of 3 waterway.

hewitt campus is one, 3 waterway is the other (prob under 200k sf), two and maybe three build-to-suits for large comapnies with one of the bts' being near the waterway. nothing definitive but heavily talked about.

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Dec. 1, 2004, 7:45PM

Woodlands considers pavilion for Town Center

Facility would serve as site for ice rink, public events

Seems like the plans have changed. As of February, they had discussed putting a permanent rink next to the Pavilion. Not sure if plans have been updated since then.

Discussion starts on p. 45. Aerial map location on p.48 & 49:

http://goo.gl/E56Jq

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So would the condo tower replace what is presently the pay garage for Waterway Square?

I don't think the condo tower is gonna happen.

Check out this flyer. It shows retail in it's place. http://goo.gl/KAAro

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So would the condo tower replace what is presently the pay garage for Waterway Square?

no. the condo tower has a small floor plate and is between the garage and waterway square. the area is an empty lot right now. lockmat is correct to think it may not happen. if the market changes in a way that would support a different development here, the woodlands could certainly change direction; however, the renderings of the condo project continue to be posted on the recently update developer website.

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that area is either included in or adjacent to the location of the proposed transit terminal and parking garage at six pines and lake robbins. in that map, you can see the location of the proposed performing arts center too (although not identified).

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I don't think the condo tower is gonna happen.

Check out this flyer. It shows retail in it's place. http://goo.gl/KAAro

the flyer shows the ground floor retail for all of the office buildings. the retail space shown in purple, next to the existing parking garage, is only the ground floor of the condo tower. with the howard hughes company now in full control of the woodlands, they want to accelerate the development of the boutique hotel at waterway avenue and other office buildings. note: the flyer mentions rio 24 as a tenant which has been out of business for some time. the flyer is out of date.

there is a lot of activity in town center. looking forward to more announcements soon and impatient to see a rendering of the next anadarko building. i hope it isn't a "twin".

(channeling homer simpson) mmmmmmm....frosting. frost cupcakes in waterway square district

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I don't think the condo tower is gonna happen.

Check out this flyer. It shows retail in it's place. http://goo.gl/KAAro

the flyer shows the ground floor retail for all of the office buildings. the retail space shown in purple, next to the existing parking garage, is only the ground floor of the condo tower. with the howard hughes company now in full control of the woodlands, they want to accelerate the development of the boutique hotel at waterway avenue and other office buildings. note: the flyer mentions rio 24 as a tenant which has been out of business for some time. the flyer is out of date.

there is a lot of activity in town center. looking forward to more announcements soon and impatient to see a rendering of the next anadarko building. i hope it isn't a "twin".

(channeling homer simpson) mmmmmmm....frosting. frost cupcakes in waterway square district

I looked over that flier several times... yea, other speculative indicators it's out of date by at least a year are the Google maps being copyright 2010 and the traffic data from 2009...

I don't see why the condo tower wont be there from the flier alone. All that is indicated is street level retail, in which the tower would be mixed use. Unless there is official word it's scrapped, or another development will take its place perhaps?

I can definitely see a market for it... Rich Woodlanders who prefer high rise living that is within walking distance of Waterway Square, the Mall and Market Street. (Although this kind of defeats the overall purpose of living in the woodlands...you know, that whole home in the woods feel thing).

I see a Luxury Hotel on that pdf also... Seems a bit redundant with the Marriott a stones throw away, but I guess if they are going to build it it's because there is a market for it.

Exciting stuff, especially the garage not being just a garage anymore. I frequently visit this area most weekends, as Grimaldi's has become a new favorite pizza place (when the wait isn't two hours) and Coal Burger my new favorite burger. Now those make you go Mmmmmmmmmm.

And where would another Anadarko building be built, if it is a building of similar size regardless if it is a twin or not?

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I looked over that flier several times... yea, other speculative indicators it's out of date by at least a year are the Google maps being copyright 2010 and the traffic data from 2009...

I don't see why the condo tower wont be there from the flier alone. All that is indicated is street level retail, in which the tower would be mixed use. Unless there is official word it's scrapped, or another development will take its place perhaps?

I can definitely see a market for it... Rich Woodlanders who prefer high rise living that is within walking distance of Waterway Square, the Mall and Market Street. (Although this kind of defeats the overall purpose of living in the woodlands...you know, that whole home in the woods feel thing).

I see a Luxury Hotel on that pdf also... Seems a bit redundant with the Marriott a stones throw away, but I guess if they are going to build it it's because there is a market for it.

Exciting stuff, especially the garage not being just a garage anymore. I frequently visit this area most weekends, as Grimaldi's has become a new favorite pizza place (when the wait isn't two hours) and Coal Burger my new favorite burger. Now those make you go Mmmmmmmmmm.

And where would another Anadarko building be built, if it is a building of similar size regardless if it is a twin or not?

anadarko lot map

the southeast corner of lake robbins and woodloch forest is anadarko's. the southwest corner is where waterway 3 is to break ground soon. http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2011/10/26/nexeo-solutions-moves-to-woodlands.html

new volkswagon dealer in the woodlands. http://www.woodlandsonline.com/npps/story.cfm?nppage=44391

rpc inc moves world headquarters to research forest. http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2011/10/24/rpc-inc-moves-operational-hq-to-the.html

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anadarko II

http://swamplot.com/second-woodlands-anadarko-tower-a-bit-more-boxy-but-almost-as-big-as-the-first/2012-01-17/

also, financing has been secured for 3 waterway (right across the street from the new anadarko tower). surveying evidence spotted at 3 waterway on friday.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2011/10/26/nexeo-solutions-moves-to-woodlands.html

michael kors to open new location at market street.

http://www.marketstreet-thewoodlands.com/news/index.lasso?n=894

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3 Waterway- 11 stories, approx. 275k SF, brick masonry and curtainwall glass. Small exterior wrap around corner terrace at the 2nd level. Moving right along.

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3 waterway is old news. where did you see/hear "11" stories? last reports on the business journal and the woodlands commercial site are "9" stories.

http://www.thewoodla...commercial.com/

Well, it certainly seems the news you are getting is indeed old. And you won't have to worring about me posting "old news" on this site anymore.

11 stories- deal with it.

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Well, it certainly seems the news you are getting is indeed old. And you won't have to worring about me posting "old news" on this site anymore.

11 stories- deal with it.

ah come on. i didn't intend to offend. 11 stories is good news! :)

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performing arts center by pavilion moves forward with seating increased to 1800.

http://impactnews.com/articles/mitchell-looks-to-develop-$35-million-performing-arts-center

developer states that condo tower is a priority. following 3 waterway, a second multi-story commercial/office building to go up by the former us oncology building on timberloch. 3 waterway is said to be 80% leased; construction has yet to begin.

http://impactnews.com/articles/woodlands-development-company-plans-large-scale-town-center-projects

waterway square extension to south side of waterway could begin by next year.

http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/woodlands/news/waterway-square-extension-targeted-for/article_f8e287bd-9fde-56d4-b37a-59fdbc5aebd9.html

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Cool video, but it's copyright 2011, and since hasn't the condo tower idea been scrapped?

Although I'm sure there are those who believe a residential high rise right within walking distace of everything would be a great addition and they wouldn't be wrong. For this reason I don't fully believe that idea is dead.

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Cool video, but it's copyright 2011, and since hasn't the condo tower idea been scrapped?

Although I'm sure there are those who believe a residential high rise right within walking distace of everything would be a great addition and they wouldn't be wrong. For this reason I don't fully believe that idea is dead.

according to alex sutton, co-president of the woodlands development company, the condo tower is a priority, but hedges on buyer's ability to get condo's financed. http://impactnews.com/articles/woodlands-development-company-plans-large-scale-town-center-projects

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Groundbreaking is apparently "imminent" on 3 Waterway Square Place

http://www.globest.com/news/12_291/houston/development/Ground-Breaking-Imminent-on-234000-SF-3-Waterway-Square-Place-318932.html

Also a bit of a tease that more office space & a garage could be coming to an area just west of the McKesson (US Oncology) Building...

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This guy has a blog where he regularly talks about Houston and he just posted a blog about The Woodlands.

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next phase of the millennium apartment complex to break ground in the next 60-90 days. http://impactnews.com/articles/urban-living-in-town-center

waterway cruiser ridership is up. http://www.woodlandsonline.com/newsarchives/archivedetails.cfm?id=47241

................all of this is happening so quickly. is town center gridlock in our future? it's time to "time" the lights and widen grogan's mill and six pines.

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"A 40-story luxury condominium building is also planned for Town Center near The Woodlands Waterway. The high-end units aim to fill the need of a specific segment of the area’s population, such as empty nesters and young professionals.

“Town Center was always planned to be more urban, with higher density residences than the villages in The Woodlands,” said Susan Vreeland-Wendt, spokeswoman for The Woodlands Development Company."

WHAT? The luxury residential at Waterway Square is 20 stories and the floor plate is probably too small for 40 stories. This is the second mention of a 40 story building I've heard, but the first was commercial. Either impactnews misspoke, or something else is afoot.

http://impactnews.com/articles/demand-for-rental-housing-increases/

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"A 40-story luxury condominium building is also planned for Town Center near The Woodlands Waterway. The high-end units aim to fill the need of a specific segment of the area’s population, such as empty nesters and young professionals.

“Town Center was always planned to be more urban, with higher density residences than the villages in The Woodlands,” said Susan Vreeland-Wendt, spokeswoman for The Woodlands Development Company."

WHAT? The luxury residential at Waterway Square is 20 stories and the floor plate is probably too small for 40 stories. This is the second mention of a 40 story building I've heard, but the first was commercial. Either impactnews misspoke, or something else is afoot.

http://impactnews.com/articles/demand-for-rental-housing-increases/

I hadn't heard anything about the 40 story commercial building. Do you have any details about it ?

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I've heard of Interfaith but thought they were a religous organization. Why are they compiling and a legitimate source for apartment data. Its fine, just odd.

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"interfaith" lockmat?

fortune - no details on a 40 story commercial building, just a rumor. the woodlands development company is focusing on hughes landing specifically for now, or so i've heard. nothing major to occur for a year or so on the waterway.....at least to be developed by the woodlands. i do not know if there are properties not owned by the development company that could see some activity.

on another note, the push for a permanent ice rink location, is because the parking lot at six pines and lake robbins is to be developed in the coming years.

i think the woodlands development company is limited as to how much they can develop at one time. the current demand for hotels, rental units, and commercial, may be greater than they can produce.

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"interfaith" lockmat?

fortune - no details on a 40 story commercial building, just a rumor. the woodlands development company is focusing on hughes landing specifically for now, or so i've heard. nothing major to occur for a year or so on the waterway.....at least to be developed by the woodlands. i do not know if there are properties not owned by the development company that could see some activity.

on another note, the push for a permanent ice rink location, is because the parking lot at six pines and lake robbins is to be developed in the coming years.

i think the woodlands development company is limited as to how much they can develop at one time. the current demand for hotels, rental units, and commercial, may be greater than they can produce.

I wonder why they didn't focus on finishing Water Way before they started on Hughes Landing.

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"interfaith" lockmat?

fortune - no details on a 40 story commercial building, just a rumor. the woodlands development company is focusing on hughes landing specifically for now, or so i've heard. nothing major to occur for a year or so on the waterway.....at least to be developed by the woodlands. i do not know if there are properties not owned by the development company that could see some activity.

on another note, the push for a permanent ice rink location, is because the parking lot at six pines and lake robbins is to be developed in the coming years.

i think the woodlands development company is limited as to how much they can develop at one time. the current demand for hotels, rental units, and commercial, may be greater than they can produce.

Yes sir

From the article:

Apartment occupancy rates in The Woodlands market are now at about 93.6 percent, according to Interfaith of The Woodlands, which compiles such data.

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oh. now i get it. interfaith was originally responsible for welcoming newcomers to the woodlands, and kept records of the woodlands population. when you are a new resident of the woodlands, an interfaith rep will come knocking on your door. it sounds as if they keep up with more than new homeowners.

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George Mitchell envisioned a community with as many jobs as it had people.  The "plan" was to create a satellite city that, although dependent on Houston, would reduce commuters, preserve greenspace, and create a new model for city planning.  An ideal scenario would have been to have many "The Woodlands" spread out around Houston.  A recent Census Bureau interactive commuter map posted on the Houston Chronicle website shows that The Woodlands master plan has succeeded in reducing commuters from within the development.  

 

 
Place name: The Woodlands CDP
State name: Texas
Total resident population: 92,064
Total workers working in place: 45,102 (more jobs than there are workers)
Total workers living in place: 40,913

Estimated daytime population: 96,253
Daytime population change due to commuting: 4,189
Percent daytime population change due to commuting: 4.6 (that's an increase/NOT just a bedroom community)  Compare it to Pearland, Cinco Ranch, Atascocita (almost 37% commute), League City.
 
 
Home town bragging aside, I wonder if "city center/town center concepts will turn the tide of ever expanding city limits?  Sugarland appears to keep a large portion of it's work force at home too.  The Woodlands has been fortunate in that there has been much affordable housing mixed in with the expensive housing (although that may be coming to an end). If city center/town center master plans remain playgrounds for the "have's" only, the "have-not's" will still have to commute in order to work for the have's....and maybe that's a given.

 

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Check out Conroe. Even more impressive stats than the Woodlands. Yet, it never seems to get any credit for it.

 

Place name: Conroe city
State name: Texas
Total resident population: 53,270
Total workers working in place: 37,248 (Many more jobs than workers)
Total workers living in place: 24,778
Estimated daytime population: 65,740
Daytime population change due to commuting: 12,470
Percent daytime population change due to commuting: 23.4 (This is also an increase)

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Conroe is also a city unto itself with a Lake Community, a small airport, fairgrounds, energy sector jobs, a school system shared with The Woodlands, etc.  Conroe's largest employers are the City of Conroe, CISD, and Montgomery County.  Conroe is the County Seat of Montgomery serving The Woodlands.  Conroe contains mostly government jobs, The Woodlands is mostly private sector jobs. Conroe was not built by developers to make a quick buck like the pop up developments around the city.  Conroe has been sustained because of Lake Conroe, The Woodlands, the intersection of 105 and I-45,and an ever growing gut of government offices.  The increase is relevent for The Woodlands because it is not a bedroom community that loses a large portion of its population during the day which was the intent from the inception.

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Although I am not at all certain that any of what you wrote matters in the grand scheme of things, kudos to you for coming up with what appears to be a differentiation of Conroe's much better daytime population gain. Of course, I don't understand the slam on Conroe for having "energy sector jobs". Don't you engage in daily mental masturbation over a couple of buildings near the mall that house (or will soon) "energy sector" workers? Also, nearly all of the "Lake Community" is not actually in Conroe, and, oh, the Woodlands also has a "lake community". And, yes, Conroe has government workers, but the Woodlands has a mall, so that's almost the same. And, the Woodlands would be a town unto itself, at least until everyone found out that cities and towns are expensive, and the Woodlands decided it could simply mooch off of Montgomery County for the stuff it didn't want to pay for, like government jobs.

 

Oh well, let's not quibble. I hope I haven't ruined your chamber of commerce moment.

 

 

 

Oh, BTW, an analysis of traffic and commuting patterns would reveal that the Woodlands does indeed lose a lot of its population during the day. It simply also gets a lot of commuters coming into the town center as well. Check out the flyover every morning. So, there is still a lot of commuting, but it goes both directions. That may be a bit more efficient in some ways (using both sides of the freeway), but it also inhibits the development of mass transit to the area. Win some. Lose some.

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i'm sure your right on most accounts, but can't i have my mental masturbation without a parent knocking on the door?

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kona grill at 4 waterway has a liquor license app posted; construction ongoing.  ferrarri satellite store charles schwab by hubbell & hudson is coming along rapidly (the ferrari satellite is near fiat).  burgerfi and the cycle shop also on lake robbins, in the waterway parking garage, are taking shape as well.  morton's grill is under construction on the other side of hubbell & hudson.  not much retail space left in the waterway square district.

 

yet, a fourth source mentioned that another tower is imminent in town center.  no details of course.

 

i wonder if the shortage of retail space in town center will bring new development?

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It would be nice too see 10 Waterway, the residential high rise, or the planned hotel break ground. Or maybe the 40 story rumored commercial building. I believe there was even talk about Shell building a 45 story building. 

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heard a rumor that that of the boy scouts' five offers for camp strake in conroe, just north of 1488, that two of the offers are from shell and chevron.  minor league baseball has been publicly reported as having made an offer as well.  although shell and chevron have popped up in rumors about a woodlands tower, downtown towers, and i think something was in the paper about shell expanding at a current location, they must be reviewing many options.  a second large energy company just north of the woodlands would make the woodlands town center "bookended" and the center of a growing new city center.

 

has anyone else heard the same?

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New design for the hotel, finally moving forward.

 

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A new luxury hotel will soon break ground in the Woodlands, providing much-needed rooms and meeting space for business travelers visiting the area.  The Howard Hughes  Corp. (NYSE: HHC) and its wholly-owned subsidiary, The Woodlands Development Co., will soon break ground on a 303-room, luxury hotel at Waterway Square overlooking The Woodlands Waterway. The cost of the project was not disclosed.

 

The hotel, unofficially known as "Waterway Square Hotel," will also include 24,000 square feet of meeting and special event space, a fine dining restaurant and second level pool deck and bar. The Howard Hughes Corp. is in the process of finalizing negotiations with the brand name for the hotel.

The entire project is expected to be completed in mid-2015. The design architect is Elkus Manfredi Architects of Boston. Architect of record is Houston-based Gensler. A contractor has not been named.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2014/02/new-luxury-hotel-coming-to-the-woodlands.html

 

 

 

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