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I can fit almost a full shopping cart worth of merchandise in this bad boy, and its not a pain at all, its actually easier than carrying bags by hand. Me and the wifey have been waiting for the north line to open so we could finally start taking the train to walmart instead of driving. It was awesome. The best part was saving gas money and helping the environment.

 

Also great for Condo living if that is your deal

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On the flip side, since bringing a basket inside the train is both bulky and a bit obnoxious to other passengers

Yea, no. :rolleyes:

Lots of people bring these on the trains, they are neither bulky nor obnoxious. Have you ever seen one of these baskets in person? Theyre not as big as you seem to be imagining them.

I guess going by your standards, people in wheelchairs are also "bulky and obnoxious" since they are bigger than my basket. And people who bring their bicycles on the train, oy vey, they must be the anti-christ according to you.

Then again, youve probably never even been on the train, seeing as to how you are unaware how NONE of the above are bulky or obnoxious, and are in fact encouraged.

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Nope.

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I can fit almost a full shopping cart worth of merchandise in this bad boy, and its not a pain at all, its actually easier than carrying bags by hand. Me and the wifey have been waiting for the north line to open so we could finally start taking the train to walmart instead of driving. It was awesome. The best part was saving gas money and helping the environment.

If MetroRail connects to IAH and Hobby, I wonder those light rail cars have spaces for luggages.

 

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If MetroRail connects to IAH and Hobby, I wonder those light rail cars have spaces for luggages.

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Don't want to sound harsh, but people fit bicyles and wheel chairs on the rail, you don't think suit cases will fit?

Not accusing you off anything but people who have ridden the rail know that entire seats were removed years ago to make room for bulky items such as bicycles

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I routinely use public transportation for that last stretch from the airport to my destination when it's a viable alternative.  BART in the SF area has cars with a similar layout and available room to what we have with our rail, and I generally don't have a bit of trouble - not even the stink eye from my fellow passengers for taking up too much room.

 

A few years ago BART was extended to SFO, where it has a station in the international terminal w/ connections to the others via the internal train system.  Currently one uses airBART, a shuttle bus, to get to the Coliseum Station from OAK, but an automated rail connector is due to come on line this year.

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A few years ago BART was extended to SFO, where it has a station in the international terminal w/ connections to the others via the internal train system. 

 

and, as I remember, BART tickets for two people from SFO to the middle of town cost a fraction of the cost of a cab ride. I did have to schlep my wife's REALLY heavy luggage up five blocks to the hotel though (and I do mean UP!).

 

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But yeah can be a pain to have to walk even a few blocks with a lot of stuff depending on what incline!

 

We in Houston don't have many inclines, but we do have heat!  I conducted a series of tests downtown a few years ago where I determined that the maximum distance a normal weight man in a suit can walk without getting inappropriately sweaty for the meeting he's going to is five blocks.  More than that and you have to take the tunnels or show up early enough to give yourself time to stop sweating.  I'm being totally serious here.  When I visit New York and London, I never drive, I use the trains and subways.  But Houston is always going to have the problem of heat and sprawl to deal with when it comes to public transport, by that I mean how is any system going to be able to drop people off close enough to their destinations that walking the rest of the way in 90 to 100 degree heat is not a problem?

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I don't want to be a Debbie downer about the light rail. But just because you mentioned this station and I wanted to share my observations... I have ridden the light rail everyday this week in the morning, and I have yet to see one person board or exit this station. I hope this is not the future of Houston mass transit...

 

Northline Transit Center and Quitman seem to have the most activity. But again this is just my observation.

 

 

This is the future of Houston mass transit... And I mean this station. Don't mean to start an argument here but everything seemed so.. so... un-Houston actually. This Burnett station alone feels like a true mass transit hub.

 

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Going towards the platform

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Elevators to send me up

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Elevators viewed from the second floor

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Walking towards the platform on the second level

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North view

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South view

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The view from the platform itself

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Art on the platform

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Looking from the middle platform

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But Houston is always going to have the problem of heat and sprawl to deal with when it comes to public transport, by that I mean how is any system going to be able to drop people off close enough to their destinations that walking the rest of the way in 90 to 100 degree heat is not a problem?

There is the tunnel system, you know...

I don't want to be a Debbie downer about the light rail. But just because you mentioned this station and I wanted to share my observations... I have ridden the light rail everyday this week in the morning, and I have yet to see one person board or exit this station. I hope this is not the future of Houston mass transit...

If/when they finish the Hardy Yards redevelopment, expect to see more traffic.

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I don't want to be a Debbie downer about the light rail. But just because you mentioned this station and I wanted to share my observations... I have ridden the light rail everyday this week in the morning, and I have yet to see one person board or exit this station. I hope this is not the future of Houston mass transit...

Northline Transit Center and Quitman seem to have the most activity. But again this is just my observation.

That's odd.. My buddy and I were up there taking photos a week or two ago at around 10pm (on a Sunday i believe.. I had previously been under the impression that the trains didn't run that late on Sundays) and both times the train stopped at the station while we were up there, at least 5-10 people got off or on.

And like iron tiger said, once the Hardy Yards site is developed, and the high speed rail line preferably terminates at Hardy Yards, then traffic will be bustling at that station.

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Magic Johnson is counting his stacks....When hardy yards and the high speed bullet train to Dallas comes in my son's first daughter will have just been born and I will be 120 years old. I will sit in my hospital bed at Memorial Herman 102 story med center tower and watch as 100s of people climb those stairs. Or

In more like 20 years - hopefully this technology will be outdated. There was a reddit thread saying by 2020 in 6 short years cars will be driving themselves.

Apologies in advance for those I offend. Back to my scotttttchhhhhhh

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The bus system clearly needs work, but man do some of the roads need help. I'm pretty sure parts of Richmond haven't been touched since the 1970s, and it shows. Indirectly, the construction of the light rail created nice smooth roads that have been altered for light rail use.

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 Indirectly, the construction of the light rail created nice smooth roads that have been altered for light rail use.

 

Not quite. There are some sections of MLK where the light rail was put in and the street hasn't been touched, or else any repairs have been minimal, like new asphalt only on the lane closest to the light rail.

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Interesting.. I would of guessed it's because the north line is still getting limited service... Or is it not? I thought they had to turn cars back at UHD because they didn't have the new cars in yet..

 

I think the north line gets limited service because the expected traffic does not justify more-frequent service.  I don't think it actually has anything to do with the new cars issue.

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My family and I took the Red Line from Northline Transit Center/HCC to the Museum district and back this last Saturday. There wasn't a lot of people getting on/off heading south at 10am until Preston station, then it really picked up (passenger wise). On the way back it was beyond standing room only (about 12pm) until about Cavalcade, then it started to slightly thin out until we got back to the Northline Transit Center/HCC. They were only running single cars, but they could have easily had two-cars to accommodate all of the people. Obviously it is too early to tell if this is going to be typical for a Saturday or not.

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I think Metro is officially trying to run the trains empty by having their police harass passengers. This morning if you had a coffee mug or cup in your hand you were getting chewed out by the cops.  I know there's a "rule" about no eating or drinking and a law about no alcohol consumption but this is ridiculous. It's cold outside, the trains are cold, people carry warm beverages, deal with it Metro.

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I don't want to be a Debbie downer about the light rail. But just because you mentioned this station and I wanted to share my observations... I have ridden the light rail everyday this week in the morning, and I have yet to see one person board or exit this station. I hope this is not the future of Houston mass transit...

 

Northline Transit Center and Quitman seem to have the most activity. But again this is just my observation

 

 

This is a planned Transit Center... it's not being used much now, but once they route more busses here, this will become a hub of activity just like the TMC transit center.  I'm very proud of this station!! 

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I think Metro is officially trying to run the trains empty by having their police harass passengers. This morning if you had a coffee mug or cup in your hand you were getting chewed out by the cops.  I know there's a "rule" about no eating or drinking and a law about no alcohol consumption but this is ridiculous. It's cold outside, the trains are cold, people carry warm beverages, deal with it Metro.

 

1.  I don't know of a metro rail system anywhere that allows food and drink on their trains.

 

2. It's not that freakin' cold.  Deal with it.

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1.  I don't know of a metro rail system anywhere that allows food and drink on their trains.

 

2. It's not that freakin' cold.  Deal with it.

 

 

1. The rule is not eating or drinking on the train. The rule is not that you're not allowed to carry food or drinks on the train. I don't know of ANY metro rail system anywhere that does not allow you to carry food or drinks.

 

2. I respectfully disagree.

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1. The rule is not eating or drinking on the train. The rule is not that you're not allowed to carry food or drinks on the train. I don't know of ANY metro rail system anywhere that does not allow you to carry food or drinks.

 

 

The only reasonable way to enforce that rule is to not allow open food and beverages carried onto the train.  Further, the whole point of the rule is to reduce maintenance and cleaning costs caused by dropped food and spilled beverages.  Allowing passengers to carry cups of coffee on to the train but not allowing them to drink the coffee does not serve the purpose of the rule.

 

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The only reasonable way to enforce that rule is to not allow open food and beverages carried onto the train.  Further, the whole point of the rule is to reduce maintenance and cleaning costs caused by dropped food and spilled beverages.  Allowing passengers to carry cups of coffee on to the train but not allowing them to drink the coffee does not serve the purpose of the rule.

 

 

You are entitled to that opinion. but that is not the law. the law clearly states consumption, which is to say drinking and eating. The law does not say carrying or transporting, which is the whole point of public transportation...

please see city of Houston ordinance Sec. 28-30.

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The only reasonable way to enforce that rule is to not allow open food and beverages carried onto the train.  Further, the whole point of the rule is to reduce maintenance and cleaning costs caused by dropped food and spilled beverages.  Allowing passengers to carry cups of coffee on to the train but not allowing them to drink the coffee does not serve the purpose of the rule.

 

 

So, it's illegal to carry your lunch on the train? or a bottle of water in your bag?

 

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Which lines are you referencing? 

 

#15, which most closely tracked the red line extension was eliminated the day after the rail line opened.

I have no clue what lines they are... I don't take the bus. There are still bus stops at every intersection along the new north line expansion.

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The only reasonable way to enforce that rule is to not allow open food and beverages carried onto the train.  Further, the whole point of the rule is to reduce maintenance and cleaning costs caused by dropped food and spilled beverages.  Allowing passengers to carry cups of coffee on to the train but not allowing them to drink the coffee does not serve the purpose of the rule.

 

^^THIS...

 

So, it's illegal to carry your lunch on the train? or a bottle of water in your bag?

 

he never said you couldnt have a boxed lunch, or bottled drink. he said no OPEN food or beverages.. the time when things are able to spill...

a coffee mug on the train is just plain ridiculous. now a thermos.. thats where the lines become blurred. i guess liquid can still spill out of a thermos though (or did i just have a cheap one when i was younger? lol), but at least its "closed". which makes me wonder.. can you have cups with lids on them on the train (so long as you dont drink out of them)? like togo cups?

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I have no clue what lines they are... I don't take the bus. There are still bus stops at every intersection along the new north line expansion.

 

There are not bus stops at every intersection along the new north line expansion for routes running parallel with the rail.   For a good portion of the route, if not all, the only bus stops at intersections are for routes that intersect with (run perpendicular to) the rail line.

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On this episode of....

 

The Bus Stops Don't Exist

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.....we're going to go along the north line expansion and see just how many bus stops don't exist!!

 

Grab some popcorn, sit back, and enjoy!!

 

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On our first stop from downtown, we see a bus station nestled below the light rail bridge. Quite a permanent station, wouldn't you say, John??

Sure is, Bob!

 

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John, that's just ONE station!! There can't be more, can there?

Well yes Bob, there sure are! Let's go to the next one...

 

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But that looks temporary.... 

Ok, how about this?

 

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John, this looks cool and all but how the hell does this affect the light rail station.

I'm glad you asked, Bob! This next photo shows perfectly well how people may just get on the bus after we spent millions of dollars to build this light rail expansion. 

 

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This is all fine and dandy, John.... BUT, you are only showing me photos along Main St!

Ok ok fine, Bob. Here you go... let's go over to Fulton...

 

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Man, another street??

 

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STOP IT!!! JUST STOP IT, JOHN!!! You've proved your point! 

But Bob I have more photos--- 

No! I've had enough!

 

And that concludes this episode of....

 

The Bus Stops Don't Exist

 

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On this episode of....

 

The Bus Stops Don't Exist

/w Bob & John

 

.....we're going to go along the north line expansion and see just how many bus stops don't exist!!

 

Grab some popcorn, sit back, and enjoy!!

 

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On our first stop from downtown, we see a bus station nestled below the light rail bridge. Quite a permanent station, wouldn't you say, John??

Sure is, Bob!

 

 

John, that's just ONE station!! There can't be more, can there?

Well yes Bob, there sure are! Let's go to the next one...

 

 

But that looks temporary.... 

Ok, how about this?

 

 

John, this looks cool and all but how the hell does this affect the light rail station.

I'm glad you asked, Bob! This next photo shows perfectly well how people may just get on the bus after we spent millions of dollars to build this light rail expansion. 

 

 

 

This is all fine and dandy, John.... BUT, you are only showing me photos along Main St!

Ok ok fine, Bob. Here you go... let's go over to Fulton...

 

Man, another street??

 

 

STOP IT!!! JUST STOP IT, JOHN!!! You've proved your point! 

But Bob I have more photos--- 

No! I've had enough!

 

And that concludes this episode of....

 

The Bus Stops Don't Exist

 

WOW, that was remarkably dishonest.  To remind you of what you claimed, here is what you said:

 

"There are still bus stops at every intersection along the new north line expansion."

 

 

Your demonstration stopped only about 1/3 of the way up the new north line expansion; mysteriously, just when there are no more bus stops along the route.

 

Continue your little demonstration project past the Fulton/Irvington intersection and through the other 3 1/2 miles of the new north line extension and then check back into see if you've "proved your point."

 

As I said, there are not bus stops at every intersection along the new north line extension.  Not even close

 

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The main point of this whole discussion is that it doesn't make sense for these bus stops to be here. I honestly think they hurt light rail in a sense. The perpendicular ones are fine since someone can hop off the bus and head to the light rail and vice versa. Why spend all that money if we are just going to have buses riding along a good portion of it.

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Some of those lines won't be there in the next year. 24 Northline is stopping service to downtown, as is the 56 Airline, and 79 Lil York. The 56 & 79 will terminate at NTC. The 24, will go to NTC and service the areas it does now in the northside, it just won't go downtown anymore. The 9 and 78 have to cross town from Sweetwater and Irvington to service Gulfton and W. Alabama so those will likely remain paralleling Main with continued service downtown. The people riding those lines wouldn't need the train where they're going, so it would make complete sense to continue running both trains and buses down Main.

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Triton:  As someone already answered, Metro is working on a wholesale re-imagining of the bus system.  They may have wanted to minimize the bus route changes until they get that done.  As also already noted, they immediately eliminated the redundant bus service on more than 60% of the new north line extension.  This was the only bus line that was 100% redundant with rail. The routes that remain on the other less than 40% of the new north line veer off the rail line at one or both ends.  So to eliminate those routes would cause screams of forcing people to ride the rail to boost rail ridership (which they may end up doing and may be good transportation policy, but that doesn't keep people from complaining.)

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As long as they remove these bus stops in the future, that's fine. Hopefully they do it sooner rather than later because I'm sure the bus stops will affect the numbers we get from the light rail ridership. Not significantly affect them but still somewhat. 

 

Thanks for playing.  :P

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Some of those lines won't be there in the next year. 24 Northline is stopping service to downtown, as is the 56 Airline, and 79 Lil York. The 56 & 79 will terminate at NTC. The 24, will go to NTC and service the areas it does now in the northside, it just won't go downtown anymore. The 9 and 78 have to cross town from Sweetwater and Irvington to service Gulfton and W. Alabama so those will likely remain paralleling Main with continued service downtown. The people riding those lines wouldn't need the train where they're going, so it would make complete sense to continue running both trains and buses down Main.

Makes sense. Those should be used to increase frequency on other high ridership lines.

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I've noticed people trying to park at the Northline Transit Center and then riding the rail. I say trying because there are only four parking spots at this transit center. Is there a reason why the Northline Transit Center has only four parking spots? Did Metro not plan for the possibility that the start/end of the light rail line may have people interested in parking and riding?

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