Trae Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Afton Oaks Not Allowed . By the end of the day Wednesday, we should know exactly where Metro will expand its lines north of downtown. These lines could lead to more rail. KHOU-TV Metro has two routes which may lead to more rail. There’s plenty of excitement over the two most talked about routs, but neither of those will get you to the big airport. “Those buses should be full you know, but most of the time they’re empty,” said Mario Umanzor, Poppa Burgers. Umanzor’s burger shop on North Main could soon have an up-close view of a bus-rapid-transit line, a key part of Metro’s North Corridor expansion plan. He wonders whether it’s even needed. “See? See that? See what I’m talking about? The bus is empty. What do we need that for?” he said. The line would extend downtown’s light rail to just north of I-10, then link up with a new rapid-transit bus route, which would run up North Main and Burnett, ending at the Northline Mall on Fulton. One plan has the bus line running down the center of Fulton. Some neighborhood groups complain it would force the removal of historic trees. The other plan would divert the line along Irvington, then run west on Cavalcade to meet Fulton. Roosevelt Elementary sits near the north end of both routes. Proposed Route 1 Proposed Route 2 More Here Article Link: KHOU METRO Rail Expansion When will it go out to IAH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftonAg Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 There Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 23, 2006 Author Share Posted August 23, 2006 I don't think they are empty. I am sure that if it is LRT, it will spur some people to ride it. Sad news about his business, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 I think METRO is planning on some sort of financial assitamce to businesses that will be financially hit during construction process...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Obviously these are just a bunch of obstructionists that can't see the bigger picture - if the busses on the route are empty what magic will occur to make the trains full?To clarify, there are no trains on this one. The Northline route is proposed as a BRT corridor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 23, 2006 Author Share Posted August 23, 2006 To clarify, there are no trains on this one. The Northline route is proposed as a BRT corridor.LRT can be implemented, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Metro-North... when i clicked on this i though you guys were going to talk about that train that goes from grand central to conneticutt lol, that news article, not good.... at least it will start out as BRT, then it can be gauged to see if rail is really worth it or if it would be a flop. So far rail seems to be doing real good ridership wise in houston, and the U line will probably get high numbers too. It would be wrong to spoil it by spending a bundle on a pathetically underused route. Of course, if the planners think this area has potential then who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Silly Metro, just when you think they might actually do something worth a damn... Gets me everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Was this topic started to rehash all the stuff going on with the NIMBY's in the University corridor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 23, 2006 Author Share Posted August 23, 2006 No, it was made so my post count can get farther away from yours ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 No, it was made so my post count can get farther away from yours ... LOL, shouldn't you be in your Atlanta forum??? Yeah I was almost 50 posts ahead of you, trust me, you won't stay there for long. I will always win in a post battle. You are only up 10 at 532 to my 522. Btw, you need to make sure you cite small sections of your article and not copy and paste the whole thing, even though you sourced the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 23, 2006 Author Share Posted August 23, 2006 LOL, shouldn't you be in your Atlanta forum??? Yeah I was almost 50 posts ahead of you, trust me, you won't stay there for long. I will always win in a post battle. You are only up 10 at 532 to my 522. Btw, you need to make sure you cite small sections of your article and not copy and paste the whole thing, even though you sourced the link. Thanks. I cut it in half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CE_ugh Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 When was that footage recorded? Noon would be my guess. Everytime I ride the bus downtown at noon, its always near empty.Seems pretty biased to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 ^^^good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 You also have to remember, buses are generally close to empty at about noontime. So the news didn't do a good job in clarifying that. I was at the North line meeting a couple of years ago, and I've seen how enthusiastic they were. The only real concerns were justified: 1: was near the school. Kids WILL be kids, but parents need to teach their kids from being a darwin example, I always say. 2: there is a business along part of the route that has constant traffic by 18 wheelers and they need plenty of room. not sure about the frequency, everytime I drove by it it was closed. 3: one of the routes might result in the damage/removal of a church. I have a feeling they will be able to resolve that. (Ever heard of "Mega-movers?" ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 METRO just announced their decision.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4137371.htmlIn spite of KHOU and AftonAg's suggestions to the contrary, not one opponent spoke up before the decision. In fact, several told METRO to hurry up and get it built. The only real debates on the North Side Line was WHICH street to put it on, not whether to build it. The residents chose to work with METRO to make changes that were necessary, rather than make scenes.BTW, for those that don't want to read the article, they chose the Fulton option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 METRO just announced their decision.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4137371.htmlIn spite of KHOU and AftonAg's suggestions to the contrary, not one opponent spoke up before the decision. In fact, several told METRO to hurry up and get it built. The only real debates on the North Side Line was WHICH street to put it on, not whether to build it. The residents chose to work with METRO to make changes that were necessary, rather than make scenes.BTW, for those that don't want to read the article, they chose the Fulton option.Interesting. I still think it should be LRT and not BRT or whatever the hell they are calling the glorified bus now.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Very good. If only this happended in Afton Oaks. I am glad it was real simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Map of the recommended route...http://metrosolutions.org/clients/1068/622...g?0.32142605477 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 I'm going to go ahead and post the map: I think the rail line Crosstimbers should have been elevated over Crosstimbers. Houston can't have the rail cross at-grade with major streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Interesting. I still think it should be LRT and not BRT or whatever the hell they are calling the glorified bus now..............This line will have enough numbers fairly quickly to convert it after a year or so to Rail, just like the East Line will be. From reading the article, I'm a little disappointed that they decided not to go for one of the proposals they were talking about tackling the Crosstimbers traffic. Originally they were talking about either going Elevated from the RR tracks all the way PAST crosstimbers, or simply elevating overall those particular portions. They called that intersection as a "class 5" intersection where traffic is very heavy and needed to find a way to work around it with as little disruption as possible. Perhaps they should make an underpass for the traffic on crosstimbers? That would help with SOME traffic on there. Or better yet, make it one way. They're already doing that with LYONS, sooner or later alot of major traffic areas are going to have to go that route. As far as how KHOU was whining about it not going to IAH, actually the NEXT phase on that corridor was supposed to allow an EXPRESS to IAH from Northline Mall and another line would go north (I forgot which street) and go up to Greenspoint with some local stops.I think it's a rather good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 From reading the article, I'm a little disappointed that they decided not to go for one of the proposals they were talking about tackling the Crosstimbers traffic. Originally they were talking about either going Elevated from the RR tracks all the way PAST crosstimbers, or simply elevating overall those particular portions. They called that intersection as a "class 5" intersection where traffic is very heavy and needed to find a way to work around it with as little disruption as possible. Perhaps they should make an underpass for the traffic on crosstimbers? That would help with SOME traffic on there. Or better yet, make it one way. They're already doing that with LYONS, sooner or later alot of major traffic areas are going to have to go that route.Same, because they need to have the line cross over Crosstimbers, or go under Crosstimbers, because there are going to be some major traffic pains if it doesn't. Metro should reconsider only this part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I think IAH should be on the fast track. That would be a successful line. Cheaper to take the train into town than it would be to take a taxi. I looked at all the proposals from beginning to present and unfortunately non of them include a line down FM 1960 to IAH It would get a lot of use from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexAmerican_Moose Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 so when is the projected design due for the part that will reach to IAH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Same, because they need to have the line cross over Crosstimbers, or go under Crosstimbers, because there are going to be some major traffic pains if it doesn't. Metro should reconsider only this part. Besides the Irvington-Cavalcade alternative, Metro rejected a proposal to separate east- and westbound tracks onto Boundary and Morris in the short segment where the line would cross over from Main to Fulton. It also rejected elevating the tracks over Crosstimbers for cost reasons. John Quintero, president of the Parent-Teacher Organization at Roosevelt Elementary School, 6700 Fulton, said concerns about pupils having to cross the tracks were addressed by Metro's plan to elevate the line in that location. The above is from the Chronicle. If METRO has a problem with elevating the train over one intersection, then it is obvious that they don't care about saving travel time. But they will elevate it near a school so children won't have to walk over the tracks....hmmmm. I think IAH should be on the fast track. That would be a successful line. Cheaper to take the train into town than it would be to take a taxi. I looked at all the proposals from beginning to present and unfortunately non of them include a line down FM 1960 to IAH It would get a lot of use from me you can take the nicer buses now from downtown to IAH and it only costs 1.50. It goes on the freeway from downtown to just before the beltway....you can get to airport in a little more than 1/2 an hr. The train will eventually go out to IAH but travel time will definitely be over an hr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftonAg Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 LOL, shouldn't you be in your Atlanta forum??? Yeah I was almost 50 posts ahead of you, trust me, you won't stay there for long. I will always win in a post battle. You are only up 10 at 532 to my 522. I am so glad I found this - It is great to know that for you two posting is all about quantity, not quality, not substance. Just pure bravado - I have more posts than you. It also gives me some insight into how much either one of you really care about these issues. METRO just announced their decision.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4137371.html In spite of KHOU and AftonAg's suggestions to the contrary, not one opponent spoke up before the decision. In fact, several told METRO to hurry up and get it built. The only real debates on the North Side Line was WHICH street to put it on, not whether to build it. The residents chose to work with METRO to make changes that were necessary, rather than make scenes. BTW, for those that don't want to read the article, they chose the Fulton option. Excuse me there Red - but those weren't suggestions as you very well know - those were quotes from the article in the Houston Chronicliar - don't put words in my mouth and don't credit me for quotes from a paper that were posted by one of your cronies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I am so glad I found this - It is great to know that for you two posting is all about quantity, not quality, not substance. Just pure bravado - I have more posts than you. It also gives me some insight into how much either one of you really care about these issues.Excuse me there Red - but those weren't suggestions as you very well know - those were quotes from the article in the Houston Chronicliar - don't put words in my mouth and don't credit me for quotes from a paper that were posted by one of your cronies.Oops, I forgot. If one complainer can be found, then it represents overwhelming opposition...at least if the complainer is from Afton Oaks. If you had stayed current on the progress of the North Line, you would know that there was a great deal of support for this line. The only debate was where the route would go.You know, I have to admit, you have been consistent...consistent in ignoring facts, others and anything else that doesn't support your narrow-minded view of how things should be. You have single handedly turned the rail topics into pissing matches. You even managed to bring former President Clinton into a rail transit topic. Frankly, you make me embarrassed to be an Aggie. From here on, I believe I will just ignore you, just as Mayor White wants me to do with the beggars. Any comments directed at me will not get a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftonAg Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Oops, I forgot. If one complainer can be found, then it represents overwhelming opposition...at least if the complainer is from Afton Oaks.First and foremost my original post was poking fun - The article talked about a great deal of excitement and then immediately noted empty busses and a business that would suffer - You have single handedly turned the rail topics into pissing matches.Wrong again - it is impossible for one poster to single handedly do anything. You give me way too much credit. The only thing that I have done is thrown a wrench into your self serving diatribe of hogwash. As long as everyone plays by your rules, on your forum the world is fine - which essentially means that they agree with you . . So you are embarassed to be an Aggie huh - well you should be - and I am enbarassed that my school ever let the likes of you in.You know, I have to admit, you have been consistent...Finally you admit something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 I am so glad I found this - It is great to know that for you two posting is all about quantity, not quality, not substance. Just pure bravado - I have more posts than you. It also gives me some insight into how much either one of you really care about these issues.It is just something fun on the side...damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 you can take the nicer buses now from downtown to IAH and it only costs 1.50. It goes on the freeway from downtown to just before the beltway....you can get to airport in a little more than 1/2 an hr. The train will eventually go out to IAH but travel time will definitely be over an hr.Still dont get it. There are tons of people that will not ride a bus but will ride a train, i am one of them. Have an LRT route to and from IAH and it will get ridership more than the current busses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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