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I don't care what any of you say Houston would be very cool with a subway running from Downtown to Uptown. So what about floods there are ways around it. There is just something very cool associated with subaways and a urban city. Heres a picture of the subway line in Atlanta. Atlanta is not as urban as Houston but the subway line makes you feel like your in a big and important city.

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Look at the downtown tunnels, they work. The only time I have heard of the flooding was back in 2001 with Hurricane .......?

But any was there are ways around this problem.

And Yes Atlanta does flood. But not as much as Houston does. But Houston is improving it's flood problem with deeper bayous.

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You could not pay me to walk across Westhemier at Post Oak.

I take Metro to the Galleria area about once a month and cross that intersection and it's really not bad at all if you use the pedestrian signals. I've never felt unsafe crossing it and I see people crossing there every time I'm in the area.

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Well, it's a big risk in my opinion, but if the studies were there and it was up to vote - I'd vote yes.  ;)

Glen

Many cities that have low water tables have subways that don't flood. Much of the downtown tunnel system didn't flood during Allison, and the sections that flooded mainly flooded because of a failed bulkhead in the underground theater district garages.

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Wait - I think I get it.. The only difference is that Polo has green tags and RL has purple tags - right? I mean, I'm sure that's how the little kids in the sweat shops in SE Asia tell them apart.  <_<

Really.. It's all the same. It's only the suckers that buy this junk that are different.. different from myself and anyone who knows that a $3000 jacket = need for attention.

I didn't come from money, and I still don't have it. So unless I win the lottery, I will NEVER spend hard earned money on worthless crap. Some people just don't understand the value of a dollar.. 100 pennies. I wonder if downtown homeless Joe's jacket has a purple or green tag?  :rolleyes:

Glen

Why do so many people on this forum have such animosity towards wealthy people or just people who choose to spend thier hard-earned dollars in ways that you would not? Why do you have this "reverse-snobbism" towards people who make different choices or who can simply afford to do things that you can't imagine?

It strikes me as odd and ironic that this attitude persist so prevalently on this forum because we are often discussing the merits of, need for, and desire for multi-million dollar structures. Poor people aren't building them. One hot topic right now on the forum is the "need" to save a Mid-Century house in Memorial Bend. I doubt "homeless Joe" can come up with the $350,000.00 asking price or the additional $200,000.00 to renovate it "properly" in ways that will meet the approval of the members of this forum.

And actually you are wrong, Polo and the other lower lines are typically made in third world countries, providing incomes for people who might otherwise have none, but the upper lines cost more because they are likely made in Italy by highly skilled workers. There are more reasons, not the least of which is reputation, but why go there?

To argue that there is no difference is to expose ignorance of the products. Do you actually believe there is no difference between a Kia and a Mercedes Benz? How about between a Perry Home and one custom built by Tyne Sparks?

The differences exist, some people appreciate them and are willing to pay for that difference. If you are not, so be it, but enough with the holier than thou attitude.

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I recall seeing a plan in the Chronicle many years ago for possible future expansions of the Galleria. They included the location where they eventually did place Galleria 4. If I remember correctly, they also indicated that further expansions could go in front (on the Westheimer side) of Neiman Marcus and also in front of Galleria 3. They also said there was a plan for possibly adding space crossing Post Oak Blvd and more-or-less surounding Dillards. Of course the Galleria has since changed ownership at least once, so I have no idea if the current owners have those same plans.

Further on the subject of possible expansions of the Galleria... I've always been surprised that they've never incorporated any high-rise condos or apartments into the complex. I got the idea from several of the newer high-rise shopping malls on North Michigan Ave. in Chicago, where they have a 7-8 story shopping center with a hotel above that and condos above the hotel. One even has a very nice grocery store in the lower level. (Straying even further from the topic, I would LOVE to see a mixed-use complex such as that developed in downtown Houston.)

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I dunno...the richest people I know don't really care that much about popular name brand clothing (like polo or sean john). 

Usually it's just the nouveau riche / upper middle class who get super obsessed with name brand consumerism.

..and your richest friends drive Kias, live in the 5th Ward, travel by Greyhound, and play golf at Hermann Park because to do anything else would indicate an obsession with name brand consumerism, yeah, right.

Why are so many people obsessed with other people's financial choices. Why does it matter soo much to you what Joe Blow does with his money? Does it make you fell superior to call someone "nouveau riche"? I'm only guessing, but I figure most people would rather be nouveau riche than not "riche" at all. It's what capitalism is all about, no?

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You have a LOT to learn.  I suggest living somewhere else, and then returning to Houston.

FWIW, I drive a Kia.  Gets sweet gas mileage.  The richest guy I know drives a 1982 Honda Accord and doesn't snow ski because he knows how ski resorts ruin the environment, does cross couintry skiing instead.  But then again, he doesn't live in Houston and doesn't measure his self-worth by what other people think of him.

Of course, therefore, by Houston standards -- what does HE know?

lmao.

all the best.

Why do you think we would care that you drive a Kia that gets "sweet gas mileage?" Why do you think we care that the richest guy you know drives a 1982 Honda Accord, and doesn't snow ski and for God's sake why do you think we care WHY he doesn't snow ski (I'm guessing you meant to say downhill ski... as far as I know cross country skiing requires snow as well, unless doing it in the snow somehow ruins the environment too). Sounds to me like SOMEone might be guilty of measuring their self-worth by their possessions, their activities, and by what other people think of him/her.

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I was also thinking maybe they could open up a California Pizza Kitchen for the Veranda food thingie 27 was talking about.  I know there is one at Post Oak and San Felipe, but maybe they could close that location, and actually that whole shopping center, and do something better with that land, like condos, office tower, or more of an "urban" retail center (I know, it's Houston, but still!)

NewMnd,

According to this story in houston chronicle, it seems that there are already some plans for shopping centers at Post Oak and San Felipe. Cant say if developers are actually going ahead with the plans but at least something is going on.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/b...sarnoff/2636415

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"Oh, and it should have super keen architecture, since it will be facing 610 (maybe they can bulldoze over that Erotic Zone). 

NewMnd,

Yes, indeed, they need to bulldoze over that Zone Erotica with all the stuff in it. That thing stands out like a pimple in an otherwise upscale area. I am new in Houston and when I first drove into Uptown, this business immediately caught my attention since its so prominent and right by the freeway. Doesnt give you a good first impression of Galleria area.

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Oh, and every time they show the loop on the traffic cam, there are a bunch of nice office buildings, and BAM! That nasty zone'd smut. Nasty.

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Many cities that have low water tables have subways that don't flood. Much of the downtown tunnel system didn't flood during Allison, and the sections that flooded mainly flooded because of a failed bulkhead in the underground theater district garages.

You are absolutely correct. Look at Chicago -- the underground portions of its rail system are all well below the water table. In fact, two lines go underneath the Chicago River.

A better example would be Amsterdam, though. Almost the entire city is below sea level, and they have a subway.

Or we could just look at Houston -- in addition to the downtown tunnel system, there is the tunnel underneath the Houston Ship Channel. I've never heard of that flooding. There even used to be a second tunnel where the Fred Hartmann Bridge is now.

There's no reason not to tunnel beneath Houston other than irrational fear.

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A subway would cost 10 times much as light rail from figures I've seen in various articles posted on HAIF. Why not a subway station for our most urban areas, like downtown, uptown, the med center & IAH. and then ground level for the rest?

Glen

That's the approach Metro has taken with the light rail extensions and possible subway segements. The only two places where I've heard any talk of a subway would be the downtown east-west line and a small subway segment on the line between the Northwest Transit Center and Uptown where the rail line would be tunneled under the West Loop.

As for the Uptown line down Post Oak, so far it's planned for running at grade in the median of the street. However that line is way off in the future, well after the Northline, Southeast, Harrisburg, and Westpark extensions are built.

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Because many people in Houston for a long time have been against rail transit. There are various reasons. Some think it costs too much. Others say it's unsafe. Some believe Houston isn't big enough for it yet. Some think it's a conspiracy by the car dealerships and construction companies (which do seem to have an unusual amount of power in this city).

Doing all the rail at once feels like force-feeding -- shoving it down thier throats. Doing rail a little at a time is more palatable. As Hosuton's population shifts from the old families that have been here for generations to new people from other parts of this country and abroad the old grudges are becoming less powerful.

The Houston rail fight has been going on for decades, and it's only gotten this far. But I guess that's a topic for another thread. This one was supposed to be about the Galleria. ;)

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I'm new to Houston (my excuse for everything), so I haven't been able to hear all the arguements for and against the light rail. My question is, why is it such a long based program? Why not have more put in now?

Glen

It's a long story. The short of it is that the existing light rail segment was built entirely with local money after Tom DeLay cut off federal funding for rail development to Metro early in the design stages of the existing rail line. DeLay insisted that Metro could get no federal money for rail development unless they put a rail plan on the ballot for local voters. That happened in November 2003 and the Metro Solutions plan, which included light rail, greatly expanded bus service, new park and ride lots and transit centers, and more HOV lanes, passed. After it passed Metro was finally able to proceed with planning for rail extensions and apply for federal funding to help pay for those extensions. Metro spent much of 2002 and 2003 developing the Metro Solutions plan and getting it ready for a vote, as well as completing the current rail line. But it could not really make much progress on the proposed extensions until the election was held and the plan was approved by voters.

Even if Tom DeLay had not pulled his little funding stunt, it would still be a few years before construction on the extensions started, although we might see it a year or two sooner. The whole process takes a long time, as Metro is required to go through a specific process of determining whether a corridor will be upgraded to rail service, then studying alternatives to rail in that corridor, then selecting an exact routing for the rail line, then going through environmental analysis, then designing the rail line and getting it funded, and then finally constructing it. That process takes several years. The Main St. line was sped up in part because it was built with local money only and that corridor had been under study for an advanced transportation system for quite some time.

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Why do you think we would care that you drive a Kia that gets "sweet gas mileage?"  Why do you think we care that the richest guy you know drives a 1982 Honda Accord, and doesn't snow ski and for God's sake why do you think we care WHY he doesn't snow ski (I'm guessing you meant to say downhill ski... as far as I know cross country skiing requires snow as well, unless doing it in the snow somehow ruins the environment too).  Sounds to me like SOMEone might be guilty of measuring their self-worth by their possessions, their activities, and by what other people think of him/her.

You obviously aren't capable of following the discussion. I'm sorry.

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I personally see a huge difference between even low end Armani and high end Armani clothing. You could pay $200 for a pair of pants that will last you a year or $700 for a pair that will last you for 10 years. I buy what I buy for the quality not for the label. If I could find something I like that will stay with me for the next decade then the price just doesnt matter as much to me.

Now on the other hand there are many items and retailers out there that are aiming for the label crowd. Weeding though all of that is an artform.

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