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You may be right about it not being anyone's choice about who gets the school district when it dissolves. I didn't post this originally because I'm not sure how accurate it is, but I seem to remember reading a story in the Chronicle about the possibility of North Forest ISD dissolving and the potential ramifications to the students and the schools.

When did you read the article?

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When did you read the article?

It took me a moment to find it, but I went to the Chronicle's archives, typed in Aldine, Judy Williams, North Forest. I remember Judy Williams as being Aldine's person quoted in the story.

It came back as a story from 12/19/88 under the headline "Troubled N. Forest ISD may face uncertain future". Here are the relevant paragraphs:

But if North Forest did lose its accreditation and funding, a neighboring school district could absorb it. There are two ways another school district can adopt children from a defunct district, said Kirby.

Consolidation between the defunct district and another school district is one way to ensure children are educated, but that takes a majority vote by both school districts' residents, said Kirby. Politics and the financial burden of absorbing another district would affect whether a consolidation took place.

One of the reasons an adopting school district would be a white knight is because it wouldn't be taking over the educating of North Forest children for any great financial reward, said John Privett with the Tax Research Association, a local watchdog organization. North Forest is a property-poor district.

"I don't think it (North Forest) would be attractive, but I think a district would maybe (absorb it) in an effort to do the right thing and deliver a good education," Privett said.

The other, longer way for the children to be transferred to another district would be for North Forest to abolish itself and send out word - through the Commissioners Court - that its children needed an educational benefactor, said Kirby.

Even though the school district would no longer exist, the surrounding districts are under no obligation to educate the children, said Kirby.

If none of the districts wants to absorb North Forest, he said, the individual parents would have to shop for a school willing to educate their children - at least for a year.

After a school district has been abolished for 12 months, Kirby said he can declare the district a "dormant district" and request the county Commissioners Court to assign the children of a defunct district to any one or several nearby districts regardless of the wishes of the adopting district.

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Army Rolls for the Republic of Texas

Men that served in the Texas Army

Source: Texas State Archives Online Index, Subseries: "Texas Revolution Military Rolls, 1835-1836" and "United States Volunteers Military Rolls, 1835-1837, 1842"

MUSTER ROLLS #1 1850, Texas General Land Office, Archives and Records Division, Austin, Texas

"This subseries consists of 7 rolls, representing the companies of 8 captains at the siege of Bexar of 1835, plus Colonel Fannin's division, plus the men at San Jacinto under General Houston, 1836. These lists were compiled sometime after the fact.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of ommisions in this listing as the original rolls were destroyed in the Oct 10, 1855 fire which swept through the Adjutant General's office. The General Land Office did, however, have copies of most of the original rolls; a positive photostat of the General Land Office Muster Rolls [A3] is available in the Texas State Archives, and each soldier on the G.L.O. Rolls [A3] has been included in the Biographical Index in the search room." [A1]

Hitchcock, S. Henry,

Harry, John H.,

Dimitt, Philip,

Fannin, J.W., Jr. (Col),

Ward, Wm. (Lt Col),

Travis, Wm. B. (Lt Col),

Grant, James (Dr),

Johnson, F.W. (Col)

Westover, Ira,

Winn, James C.,

Bullock, U.J.,

Ticknor, Isaac ,

King, Amon B.,

Duval, B.H.,V

Wyatt, P.S.,V

Burk, David N.,V

Pettus, Samuel O.,V

Shackleford, Jack,V

Horton, A.C.,V

Breece, Thomas H. ,

Lewellyn, Thos.,

THE ALAMO

Lt. Col. W. Barrett Travis, Bowie, James(Lt. Col. Commandant)

Bowie, James (Col)

Companies

Foysyth, (Capt.),

Harrison, (Capt.),

Blazeley (Blazely), Wm. (Capt.),

Baker, Wm. C.M. (Capt.),

Evans, (Capt.),

Cary, (Capt.),

Blair, S.C. (Capt.),

Gilmore, Bruce P (Capt.),

White, Robert (Capt.),

Kimbell, George C. (Lt),

GOLIAD

- Col. James W. Fannin, Jr. Command, Wadsworth, W.A,

Bullock, U.J. ,

Winn, James C. ,

Ticknor, ,

Westover, Ira ,

King, Amon B. ,

Duval, B.H. ,

Wyatt, P.S. ,

Burk, David N. ,

Pettus, Samuel O. ,

Shackleford, Jack ,

Horton, A.C. ,

Fannin, J.W., Jr. (Col) ,

Ward, Wm. (Lt. Col.),

Wallace, Benjn. C. (Maj.),

Hill, Ben F. (Adjt Genl),

Fannin, J. W. (Col.)

GARRISON OF BEXAR

Neil, J.C. (Lt. Col.)

Field and Staff, Garrison of Bexar. Carey, W.R. ,

Blazeley, Wm ,

Fassitt (Feassitt), G.A. (Capt.),

Ward, T.W. (Capt. Artillery),

Peacock, (Capt. Artillery),

Floddens (Floeder), (Capt. Artillery),

SIEGE AND CAPTURE OF SAN ANTONIO DE BEXAR, DEC 10, 1835

Parrott, T.L.F.(F.L.T.), Chesshire, James,

Swisher, James G.,

York (Yorke),

York, John ,

Morris, Robert C.,

Cooke, Wm. G,

Hiroms (Hirams), S.C. ,

Bradley, John M.,

Lewis, M.B.

BATTLE OF SAN JACINTO - April 20 & 21, 1836

from copy of list of Burleson's Command made Apr 22, 1836 by Wm. Gorham, Clerk

Houston, Sam (Maj. Gen.),

Neill, J.C. (Lt. Col.)/Moreland, J.N.,

Lamar, Mirabeau B./ (Commander),

Karnes, Henry,

Millard, Henry (Lt. Col.),

Allen, John M. (Actg. Major),

Briscoe, Andrew,

Turner, Amasa ,

Burleson (Burlison) Edward (Col.),

Sommerville, Alxr. (Lt. Col.),

Edward (Col.),

Burlison, Edward (Col.),

Somerville, Alexander (Lt. Col.),

McNutt, Robert (Maj.),

Wood, William (Capt.),

Tinsley, J.W. (1 Lt.),

Roman, Richard (Capt.),

Casey, George M. (1 Lt.),

Billingsley, Jesse (Capt.) ,

Andrews, Micah (1 Lt.) ,

Baker, Mosely (Capt.),

Kuykendall, Gibson (Capt.),

Francis, Miller (1 Lt.) ,

Rabb, Thos. J. (Capt.),

Head, Wm. J.C. (1 Lt.) ,

Bennett (Burnett), Jas. L. (Capt.) ,

Gillespie, James (1 Lt.) ,

Hill, W.W. (Capt.) ,

Swisher, H.H. (Ap. 1st Lt.) ,

Fisher, Wm. S. (Capt.),

Steele, Wm. H. (1 Lt.) ,

Calder, Robert J. (Capt.),

Sharp, John (1 Lt.),

Dawson, Nicholas M. (2 Lt.),

Craft, James A. (Lt.),

Finch, Mat (2 Lt.),

Eastland, Wm. M. (2 Lt.),

Hope, Adolphus (2 Lt.),

Carter, R.W.P. (2 Lt.) ,

Garrison (Larrison), Allen (2 Lt.),

Wood, Wm.,

Hart, John/ Roman, Richard (1 Lt.) ,

Roman, R.,

Billingsley, Jesse ,

Baker, Mosely ,

Kuykendall, Gibson ,

Heard, Wm. J.E.,

Heard, William E. ,

Hill, Wm. L. ,

Swisher, H.H. (Lt),

Fisher, William S. ,

Smith, Calder, R.J. ,

Sherman, Sidney (Col.),

Bennett, Jas. L. (Lt. Col.),

Wells, Lysander (Maj.),

Arnold, Haydon ,

Arnold, Haydon ,

Ware, William ,

Ware, Wm. ,

Logan, William M. ,

Patton, William H. ,

McIntire, Thomas H. ,

Galaspy, _____ (Capt) ,

Bryant, B. ,

Kimbro, Wm. ,

Seguin, Juan N.,

McNutt, Robert (Maj.) ,

Splane, P.R. ,

Chance, J.B.,

Wyley (Wiley), A.H. ,

Duncan, Peter ,

Ratcliff, W.D. ,

Bellingsley, Jesse (Capt.) Co. C,

Baker, Mosely (Capt.) Co. D,

Smith, (Capt.) Co. J,

Mabbitt, Leonard H. ,

Lockhart, Byrd ,

Bradley, John M. ,

Secrests, W.H. ,

Smith, Wm H./,

Robbins, Thomas/,

Hooper, Richard,

Harper, B.J.,

Hardin, Lynch, J.P.,

Collins, E.W. ,

Cleveland, H.N. ,

Stewart, Thomas ,

Ravill, B.F.,

Hamilton, Wm. ,

Brown, Nicholas (Sgt.),

Ingram, John ,

Smith, L. (Maj.),

Bird, John ,

Ross, Reuben,

Chenoweth, John ,

Quitman, John A./ ,

Strickland, Wm,

Robinson, J.J. (2 Lt.) ,

Earl, H.C.D. ,

Allen, James,

Graham, Wm. ,

Elliott, W.J. [William John],

Sweitzer, Alonzo B. ,

Soverein, Jos ,

Shaw, Orson ,

Wigginton, H.R.A. [Henry],

Sweeney, John *

Barnes, John H (1 Lt.)

Sweeny, John,

Fairchild, Hiram ,

Pratt, Thomas ,

Stiles, George ,

Hays, William Rufus C. ,

Holmes, James L. ,

Hubbell, H. A. ,

Hughes, J.Z. [James] ,

Fowler, C.A.W./,

Scroggs, John (1 Lt. Comm.),

Van Norman, Wm.,

Becknell, William ,

Skerrett, Mark B. ,

Harbert, D.D. (1 Lt.) ,

Burnet (Burnett), Wm D. ,

Cook (Cooke), L.P.

Hart, John ,

Love, Palas Shivers, Offa L.(S.),

Thornton, F.W./ Conrad, Edward ,

Thompson, W. ,

Thomson, Wm. ,

Marshall, Abraham ,

Chenoweth, John Read, Benjn. S. ,

Rockhold, D.B. ,

Burnett, Wm. D. ,

Harreld, Wm. E. ,

Price, James Pope ,

Shaw, Orson/ ,

Brooks, Edward (1 Lt. Comm.),

Hays, William Rufus C. (2 Lt. Comm.),

Rockhold, D.B.

Frailey, G. Clinton

Hart, William C.

Pratt, Thomas ,

Reed (Read),

Benjn. S.,

Robertson, Jerome R. ,

McLure (McClure),

Robertson, Sterling C.,

Boales, Calvin ,

Barnes, Frederick W ,

Owen, Clark L. ,

Allen, Thos. W.G. ,

Chesher (Chessher),

James Arnold, Hayden,

Coe (Coel), Philip ,

Barrett, G.W.,

Howth, W.E. ,

Teal, Henry/,

Snively, J. (1 Lt. Comm.),

Elliott, J.D. ,

Lynch, N.,

Wheelock, E.L.R. (Whittock),

Walden (Waldon), Alfred P. ,

Wheelock, E.L.R. ,

Smith, S. (Lt.) ,

Lynch, N. (Brevt. Capt.) ,

Teal, Henry/ Snively, J. (1 Lt. Comm.),

Durocher, Chas. L./ ,

Lalanette (Salanette),,

F.L. (1 Lt. Comm.) ,

McFarland, Dougald (2 Lt. Comm.) ,

Jewell (Jewel), Geo. W. ,

Barron, Thos. H. ,

Snively, Jacob/ Nelson, David S. (2 Lt. Comm.),

McFarland, Dougald Company B (2 Lt. Comm.),

Durocher, Charles L./,

Lalanette (Salanette),

L.F. (F.L.), (1 Lt. Comm.) ,

Lynch, Nicholas/

Smith, John (Comm.)

Seguin, John N. (Lt. Col. Comm.),

Thomas, B.R.,

Walden, Alfred P. ,

McFarland, Dugald (2 Lt. Comm.) ,

Chamberlain, H.P. (Lt. Comm.),

Walden, Alfred P./,

Robbless, Alexander (1 Lt. Comm.),

Barron (Barren), T.H.,

Costley, Michael,

Miller, John , (2 Lt. Comm.),

Flores, Manuel (1 Lt. Comm.) ,

Flores, Salvador ,

Snell, John, H (Sgt)

Snively, Jacob/ Nelson, David S. (2 Lt. Comm.),

McCaskey, R.D. (Lt.)/,

Howard, Geo. T.(F.) (2 Lt. Comm.),

Irvine, R.B.(J.B.) Moncur, James (Lt. Comm.),

Sprowl, James C. (J.F. J.T.)(Lt. Comm.),

Smith, John Levey, M. (Lt. Comm.),

Burnett, William D./

McClyman, J.B. (1 Lt. Comm.),

Burton [isaac Watts]

McClure, John

Pyron, David T.

Allen, James C.

Peebles, Lettlewood W. ,

Burroughs, George H.,

Colerick, Charles ,

Reed, Henry ,

Thomas, B.R. (2 Lt. Comm.) ,

Pierson, J.G.W [John Goodloe Warren] ,

Parker, Gustavus A. ,

Chesshire, James ,

Seale (Seal), Eli ,

Clapp, Elisha ,

English, George ,

Burnett (Bennett)William D. ,

McClyman (McClym), John B. (1 Lt. Comm.) ,

Green, T.J. (Brig Gen) ,

Field Officers

Green, T.J. (Brig. Gen.),

Ward, (Lt. Col.),

Dyer, Lion (Leon) (Aid de Camp),

Milroy, Magon (Major?)

Captain's Commanding Co.

Graham (Capt.),

Fairchilds (Fairchild) (Capt.),

Wigginton (Winginton) (Capt.),

Switzer (Capt.),

Hughes (Capt.) ,

Thompson (Capt.),

Reed (Redd) (Capt.),

Marshall (Capt.),

Parker (Capt.),

Chenoworth (Chenoweth) (Capt.),

Hayes (Capt.),

Lieutenants

Elliott (Lt.)

Norton (Lt.)

Hall (Lt.),

Dickson (Lt.),

Gamble (Lt.) ,

Smith (Lt.),

Sweeney (Lt.) ,

Foulkes (Lt.),

Fowler (Lt.) ,

Olliven (Olliver) (Lt.),

Humbustine (Hennbustine) (Lt.) ,

Eves (Eaves) (Lt.),

Hanks (Lt.) ,

Pratt (Lt.),

Wells (Lt.) ,

True (Lt.),

Paskall (Lt.),

Staff

Eguny (Capt., Qr. Master),

Greenville (Lt., Asst. QM),

McLasky (McLarky) (Lt., Asst. Comisy. Sub.),

McLellan (Capt., Comisy. Sub.),

McFetters (Ensign),

McLune, J. (Sgt. Major),

Scott (Lt., Ordinance),

Kelly (Sgt., Qr. Mr.),

Speakman (Sgt., Commy.),

Kitchen (Ketchem) (Waggon Master),

(Signed) James McGuin, Adjt.,

Morehouse, Edwin (Col.)

Commissioned and Non Commissioned Staff

1st Regt., 1st Brigade Volunteers

Texas Army, Aug 31, 1836

Morehouse, Edwin (Col.), 1st Appointment Nov 21, 1835, Maj. to Lt. Col. Jun 22, 1836, Lt. Col. to Col. Aug 5, 1836,

Cleaveland, A.(H.) N.,< Capt. to Lt. Col. Aug 9, 1836, (Lt. Col.),

Gillan, Benj. T. (Maj.) Capt. to Maj. Aug 17, 1836,

Millard, Henry Field and Staff, (Lt. Col.)

1st Regt. Infantry, Texas Army Aug 31, 1836

Millard, Henry (Lt. Col.) Commission Dec 15, 1835,

Smith, John (Lt. & Adjt) Commission Jun 21, 1836,

Winston, John (Jas.) S. Commission Jul 27, 1836, (Asst. Surgeon),

Neil (Neill), James C. (Col.) ,

Morehouse, Edwin (Col.) Staff,

1st Regt. Rusk's Brigade Volunteer Texas Army Sep 30, 1836,

Morehouse, Edwin (Col.) Enlistment Aug 5, 1836,

Cleveland, H.N. (Lt. Col.) Enlistment Aug 9, 1836,

Gillen, Benjamin Y. (Maj.) Enlistment Aug 17, 1836,

Dep: H.Q. Camp Johnson La Baca River, Harrison, C.L. (Col.) Field and Staff, 1st Regt.,

1st Brigade, Kentucky Volunteers Aug 31, 1836 ,

Harrison, Charles L. (Col.) Commission Apr 20, 1836,

Holmes, James L. (Maj.) Commission Aug 27, 1836,

Morehouse, E. (Col.),

Cleveland, H.W. (Lt. Col.),

Gillen, Benjamin Y. (Maj.),

Turner, Amasa ,

Field and Staff (Lt. Col), 1st Regt. Infantry, Texas Army, Commissions from May 1, 1836 Aug 31, 1836 - Oct 31, 1836,

Turner, Amasa (Lt. Col.) Commission Aug 27, 1836, Regt. Command Sep 21, 1836,

Teal, Henry (Maj.) Commission Aug 27, 1836,

Transferred

Smith, John (Capt.) Commission Aug 29, 1836, (Capt. 2nd Infty.)

Millard, Henry (Lt. Col.),

Turner, Amasa/ (Lt. Col.),

Irvine, R.B. Teal, Henry (Maj.),

Woodhouse, M.P.(H.R.) (Lt. & Adjt.),

Hill, Wm. W. ,

Lewis, M.B./ Ingram ,

Sample, David ,

END OF LIST

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Thank you!

NFISD was in trouble for that long? Gee, it seems like WHISD's Houston cousin...

It took me a moment to find it, but I went to the Chronicle's archives, typed in Aldine, Judy Williams, North Forest. I remember Judy Williams as being Aldine's person quoted in the story.

It came back as a story from 12/19/88 under the headline "Troubled N. Forest ISD may face uncertain future". Here are the relevant paragraphs:

But if North Forest did lose its accreditation and funding, a neighboring school district could absorb it. There are two ways another school district can adopt children from a defunct district, said Kirby.

Consolidation between the defunct district and another school district is one way to ensure children are educated, but that takes a majority vote by both school districts' residents, said Kirby. Politics and the financial burden of absorbing another district would affect whether a consolidation took place.

One of the reasons an adopting school district would be a white knight is because it wouldn't be taking over the educating of North Forest children for any great financial reward, said John Privett with the Tax Research Association, a local watchdog organization. North Forest is a property-poor district.

"I don't think it (North Forest) would be attractive, but I think a district would maybe (absorb it) in an effort to do the right thing and deliver a good education," Privett said.

The other, longer way for the children to be transferred to another district would be for North Forest to abolish itself and send out word - through the Commissioners Court - that its children needed an educational benefactor, said Kirby.

Even though the school district would no longer exist, the surrounding districts are under no obligation to educate the children, said Kirby.

If none of the districts wants to absorb North Forest, he said, the individual parents would have to shop for a school willing to educate their children - at least for a year.

After a school district has been abolished for 12 months, Kirby said he can declare the district a "dormant district" and request the county Commissioners Court to assign the children of a defunct district to any one or several nearby districts regardless of the wishes of the adopting district.

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Here is a more complete list of the men involved in the Battle of San Jacinto, both Republic of Texas regulars and Volunteers to the Republic. Each of these men would have received a Land Grant for their participation in the Battle. If you scan the list you will see names that coinside with large land holders at the turn of the century in Harris and surrounding counties. And names that ended up being counties in Texas. Names like Kuykendall, Barker, Fitzgerald, Lynch, Montgomery (as in Andrew founder of Montgomery, TX), Rusk, Wharton, etc.

Battle of San Jacinto Veterans & Casualties - April 21, 1836

Abbot, Launcelot

Abbott, Calvin P

Adams, Thomas H

Alexander, Jerome B

Alexin, H Malena

Allen, John M

Allison, John C

Allison, Moses

Alsbury, Horatio Alexander

Alsbury, Young Perry

Anderson, C D - Wounded in Battle

Anderson, John W

Anderson, Thomas P

Anderson, Washington - Wounded in Battle

Andrews, Micah

Angel, John M

Armstrong, Irwin

Arnold, Hayden

Arnot, W S

Arocha, Jose Maria

Arocha, Manuel

Arreola, Simon

Atkinson, J

Atkison, M B

Avery, Willis

Bailey, Alexander

Bailey, Howard

Bain, Noel M

Baker, D D D

Baker, Elias

Baker, Joseph

Baker, Moseley - Wounded in Battle

Baker, W W

Balch, Hezekiah B

Balch, John

Ballard, John T

Bancroft, Jethro R

Banks, Reason

Barcinas, Andres

Bard, George

Bardwell, Solomon B

Barker, George

Barker, W

Barkley, J A

Barnes, Frederick W

Barnes, John H

Barnes, Turner

Barstow, Joshua

Barton, Elder B

Barton, Jefferson

Barton, Wayne

Bateman, William

Baxter, Montgomery

Baylor, Dr

Beams, Obidiah

Bear, Isaac H

Beard, A J

Beason, Leander

Beauchamp, John

Beauford, Thomas Y

Beebe, John N

Begley, John

Belcher, John

Belden, John

Bell, James

Bell, Peter H

Bell, Thomas H

Belnap, Thomas

Bennett, Joseph

Bennett, Joseph L

Bennett, William

Bennett, W B

Benson, Ellis

Benton, Alfred

Benton, Daniel

Bernardi, Prospero

Bernbeck, W C F

Berry, Andrew Jackson

Berryhill, W H

Biddle, John

Billingsley, Jesse - Wounded in Battle

Bingham, Benjamin Rice - Killed in Battle

Bingham, Marthias A

Bird, James

Birt, Samuel P

Bissett, Robert B

Black, D C

Blackwell, Thomas

Blakey, Lemuel Stockton - Killed in Battle

Blaney, John

Bledsoe, G L

Blue, Uriah

Bollinger, E

Bollinger, P

Bond, Henry

Book, James R

Booker, Shields

Borden, John P

Borden, Paschal P

Bostick, Joseph

Bostick, Sion R

Bottsford, Seym

Bowen, Robert

Box, James E

Box, John A

Box, Nelson

Box, Thomas G

Boyd, J C

Boyles, William

Bradley, Daniel

Bradley, J B

Bradley, James

Bradley, Micajah

Brake, Michael J

Branch, Edward Thomas

Breeding, Fidelia

Breedlove, A W

Brennan, William

Brewer, Henry M

Brewster, Henry Percy

Brigham, Genj R

Brigham, Moses

Briscoe, Andrew

Brookfield, F E

Brooks, Thomas D

Brown, Alexander

Brown, David

Brown, George

Brown, Oliver T

Brown, Wilson C

Browning, George W

Bruff, Christopher C

Bryan, Moses Austin

Bryant, Benjamin Franklin

Buffinton, Anderson

Bullock, David M

Bunton, John Wheeler

Burch, James

Burch, Valentine

Burditt, Jesse F

Burditt, Newell W

Burleson, Aaron

Burleson, Edward

Burnam, William Owen

Burnham, John Hickerson

Burton, Isaac Watts

Burtrony, T

Bust, Luke W

Butts, Augustus J

Caddell, Andrew

Cage, B F

Calder, Robert J

Caldwell, Pinkney

Callahan, Thomas J

Campbell, D W

Campbell, H D

Campbell, John

Campbell, Joseph

Campbell, Michael

Campbell, Rufus E

Cannon, William J

Carpenter, John

Carpenter, John W

Carper, William M

Carr, Robert

Carter, James

Carter, Robert W B

Cartwright, Matthew W

Cartwright, William

Caruthers, Allen

Cassady, John W

Castleman, Jacob

Chadduck, Richard H

Chaffin, J A

Chamberlain, Willard

Chance, Joseph B

Chapman, Henry

Cheairs, John F

Chelaup, James K

Chevers, John

Childs, J J

Choate, David

Christie, John

Clapp, Elisha

Clark, James

Clark, John

Clarke, Charles A

Clarkson, Charles

Clayton, Joseph Alvey

Clelland, John Joshua

Clements, Lewis C

Cleveland, Horatio N

Clopper, Andrew M

Coble, Adam

Cochran, Jeremiah D

Cockrill, John

Coffman, Elkins G

Coker, John

Cole, David

Cole, James

Coleman, Robert W

Coles, B L

Coliant, John B

Collard, Job S

Collins, Willis

Collinsworth, James T

Colton, William

Common, Thomas

Conlee, Preston

Conn, Joseph S

Connell, David

Connell, Sampson

Conner, James

Cook, A W

Cooke, Francis J

Cooke, Thomas

Cooke, William G

Cooper, James - Wounded in Battle

Cooper, Mathias - Killed in Battle

Cormana, Cesario

Corry, Thomas F

Corzine, Hershel

Cottle, Sylvanus

Cox, Lewis

Cox, Thomas B

Craddock, John R

Craft, James A

Craft, Russel B

Craig, Harry/Henry R

Crain, Joel B

Crain, Robert T

Cravens, Robert M

Crawford, J B

Crawford, Robert

Criswell, William

Crittenden, Robert

Cronican, Michael

Crosby, Garry

Crownover, A

Crunk, Nicholas S

Cruz y Arocha, Antonio

Cumba, James - Wounded in Battle

Cumberland, George

Cunningham, Leander C

Curbier, Antonio

Curbier, Matias

Curneal, Patrick J

Curtis, Hinson

Curtis, James

Dale, Elijah V

Dallas, Walter R

Dalrymple, John

Darling, John Socrates

Darr, George

Darst, Edmund C

Darst, Richard Brownfield

Davey, Thomas P

David, Abner C

David, George W

David, James P

David, Samuel S

David, Travis

Davidson, William Francis H

Davis, Jesse K

Davis, John

Davis, Moses M

Davis, William R

Dawson, Nicholas Mosby

Day, Henry S

de Zavala, Lorenzo Jr

Deadrick, David

Deadrick, Fielding

Deadrick, George M

Denham, M H

Denmon, Holden

Dennis, Thomas Mason

DeVore/DeVois, Cornelius

DeWitt, James C

Dexter, Peter B

Dibble, Henry

Dickerman, E

Dillard, Abraham

Dixon, J H T

Doan, Joseph

Doolittle, Berry

Douby, Daniel

Douglass, Freeman W

Douglass, Jonathan

Douthatt, James

Dubromer, Tobias Dr

Dufee, William

Duff, James C

Duff, J P

Dunbar, William

Duncan, Jacob

Duncan, John

Dunham, Daniel T

Dunham, William D

Dunn, J G

Dunn, Matthew

Dutcher, Alfred

Dyches, Lovick P

Earl, William

Eastland, William Mosby

Edenburg, Christopher

Edgar, Joseph S - Wounded in Battle

Edson, Amos B

Edwards, Isaiah

Edwards, Tilford C

Egbert, J D

Ehlinger, Joseph

Eiler, Jacob

Eldridge, James J

Ellender, Joseph

Elliot, J D

Elliott, James F

Ellis, Willis L

Emory, Edwin B

Enriques, Lucio

Erath, George Bernard

Evans, Moses

Evans, Musgrove

Everett, William

Evetts, James

Ewing, Alexander Wray

Faris, Hezekiah

Farley, Thomas M

Farmer, James

Farrish, Oscar

Farwell, Joseph

Fennell, George

Ferrell, William

Ferrill, John

Fields, Henry

Finch, Matthew

Finley, Benjamin C

Fisher, William

Fisher, William S

Fisk, Greenleaf

Fitch, Benjamin F

Fitzgerald, Longford

Fitzhugh, John T P

Flick, John

Flores, Manuel

Flores, Manuel Maria

Flores, Martin

Flores, Nepomuceno

Flynn, Thomas J

Foard, Charles A

Fogle, Andrew

Foley, Steven T

Forbes, John

Ford, Simon P

Forrester, Charles

Foster, Anthony

Foster, John R

Fowle, Thomas Patton - Killed in Battle

Fowler, Andrew Jackson

Fowler, Thomas M

Fraley, Morrison

Francis, William

Franklin, Benjamin Cromwell

Frazier, Hugh

Friel/Freele, James

Fry, Benjamin F

Fullerton, William

Fullerton, Henry

Fulton, James

Gafford, John

Gage, Calvin - Wounded in Battle

Gainer, John N

Gallaher, E

Gallatin, Albert Edward - Wounded in Battle

Gamble, William

Gant, William W

Gardner, G W

Garwood, S Joseph

Gay, Thomas

Gedry, Lefoy

Gentry, Fred B

Giddings, Giles A - Wounded in Battle

Gilbert, John F

Gill, John Porter

Gill, William C

Gillespie, James

Gillespie, John

Gillette, Samuel

Goheen, Michael R

Goodloe, Robert Kemp

Goodwin, Lewis

Goome, Garrett E

Goosley, W G

Gordon, J

Gorham, Isaac

Graham, John

Granville, B

Graves, David

Graves, Thomas A

Gray, James

Gray, M B

Green, Benjamin

Green, George

Green, James

Green, Thomas

Greenwood, James

Greer, Thomas N B

Grenlaw, A

Grice, J B

Grieves, David

Griffin, William

Griffith, John

Grigsby, Crawford

Grimes, George W

Groce, Jacob

Grover, J A F

Gustine, Lemuel Dr

Hager, Nat

Hale, John C - Killed in Battle

Hale, William

Hall, James

Hall, John W

Hallett, John

Hallmark, W E

Halstead, E B

Hamilton, Elias E

Hancock, George

Handy, Robert Eden

Hardaway, Samuel G

Hardeman, Thomas J

Hardin, Benjamin Franklin

Hardin, Ennis

Harman, John

Harmon, Clark M

Harper, B J

Harper, John

Harper, Peter

Harris, Andrew J

Harris, Isaac

Harris, James

Harris, Temple O

Harris, William

Harrison, A L

Harvey, David

Harvey, John

Haskin, T A

Hassell, John W

Hatfield, B M

Hawkins, William

Hawkins, W W

Haye, James

Hays, W C

Head, W M

Heard, William Jones Elliot

Henderson, Robert

Henderson, F K

Henderson, Hugh

Henderstrom, Augustus

Henry, Charles M

Henry, Robert

Herrera, Pedro

Herron, John H

Heuser, John A

Hick, Charles

Highsmith, Abijah

Hill, Abraham W

Hill, Hardy

Hill, Isaac L

Hill, James M

Hill, William W

Hinds, James

Hitchcock, Franklin

Hockley, George Washington

Hodge, Archie

Hodge, James

Hodge, W

Hogan, James

Hogan, Josiah

Holder, Prior A

Holderman, Jesse

Holman, William Sanford

Holmes, Peter W

Homan, Harvey

Hope, Adolphus

Hope, Prosper

Hope, Richard

Hopkins, Thomas

Hopson, John

Hopson, Lucine

Horton, Alexander

Hotchkiss, Richard

Houston, Samuel - Wounded in Battle

Howard, Levi

Howard, W C

Howell, Robert

Howlett, A W

Hughes, Thomas M

Hunget, Meredith

Hunt, John C

Hunter, Robert H

Hyland, Joseph

Ijams, Bazil G

Ingram, Allen - Wounded in Battle

Ingram, John

Irvine, James T P Rev

Irvine, Josephus S

Isbell, James H

Isbell, William

Jack, William H

Jackson, Joseph

Jackson, Thomas R

Jacques, Isaac L

James, Denward

James, W F - Wounded in Battle

Jennings, J D Dr

Jett, James M

Jett, Stephen

Johnson, Benjamin

Johnson, George

Johnson, George J

Johnson, James

Johnson, John

Johnson, John R

Johnson, M B

Johnston, Thomas D

Jones, Allen B

Jones, Anson

Jones, Edward S

Jones, D P

Jones, George Washington

Jordan, Alfred S

Joseph Floyd

Joslem, James

Karner, John

Karnes, Henry Wax

Kelso, Alfred

Kennard, William

Kennedy, W

Kent, Joseph

Kenyon, A D

Kerr, W P

Kibbe, William

Killeen, William

Kimbro, William

Kincannon, William P

Kleburg, Robert Justus

Kornegay, David S

Krattz, Lewis

Kuykendall, Gibson

Kuykendall, H

Kuykendall, J H

Kuykendall, Matthew

Kuykendall, Thornton P

Labadie, Nicolas D

Lamar, Mirabeau B

Lamar, Shelly W

Lamb, George A - Killed in Battle

Lambert, Walter

Lane, Walter P

Lane, William Paye

Lane, W P

Lang, George W

Lapham, Moses

Larbaltrier, Charles

Larrison, A

Lasater, Francis B

Lawrence, George Washington

Lawrence, Joseph

Lawrence, Samuel

Lee, Henry/Hiram

Lee, T S

Leek, George W

Leeper, Samuel

Legg, Seneca

Legrand, Edward Oswald

Lemsky, Frederick

Lessassur, A

Lester, James S

Leveney, Thomas

Lewellyn, John

Lewis, Abraham

Lewis, A S

Lewis, Edward

Lewis, George Washington - Wounded in Battle

Lewis, John E

Lightfoot, William D

Lightfoot, Wilson T

Limski, ?

Lind, John F

Lindsay, Benjamin

Litten/Litter, John

Liverall, A

Lloyd, Peterson

Lockridge, William

Loderback, J D

Logan, William M

Love, David Hall

Love, Robert

Lowery, John L

Luders, Henry

Lupton, Cyrus W

Lyford, John

Lynch, J P

Lynch, Nicholas

Magill, William Harrison

Maiden, Isaac

Maldonado, Tomas

Malone, C

Mancha, Jose Maria

Manhue, E

Manuel, A E

Marsh, Alonzo

Marshall, Hugh

Marshall, John L

Martin, Philip C

Marvey, John

Mason, Charles

Mason, George W

Massie, William

Matchett, John

Maury, James

Maxwell, Peter Menard

Maxwell, Thomas

Maybee, Jacob

Mays, Ambrose

Mays, Thomas H - Wounded in Battle

McAllister, Joseph

McClelland, Samuel

McCloskey, Robert D

McCorley, Placido

McCormack, J M

McCoy, John

McCoy, William

McCrabb, John M

McCrabb, Joseph

McCrocklin, Jesse L

McCulloch, Benjamin

McFadin, David H

McFall, Samuel

McFarlane, J W B

McGary, Daniel H

McGay, Thomas

McGee, Joseph

McGown, Andrew Jackson

McHorse, John W

McIntire, Thomas H

McIntire, William

McKay, D

McKay, Daniel

McKenzie, Alexander

McKinzie, Hugh

McLaughlin, Robert

McLaughlin, Stephen

McLean, Dugald

McLinn, Stephen

McManus, R O W

McMaster, William

McMillan, Andrew

McMillan, Edward

McMillan, James

McNeel, Pleasant D

McNelly, Bennett

McNelly, Samuel

McNutt, Major Robert

McStea, Andrew M

Menchaca, Antonio

Menifee, J S

Mercer, Eli

Mercer, Elijah G

Mercer, G R

Merwin, Joseph W

Miles, A H

Miles, Edward

Millard, Henry

Miller, Daniel

Miller, Francis

Miller, Hugh

Miller, Joseph

Miller, William

Miller, William H

Millerman, Ira

Millett, Samuel

Mills, David Granville

Mims, Benjamin F

Minnett, Joshua

Mitchell, Asa

Mitchell, J B

Mitchell, James

Mitchell, Nathaniel

Mixon, Noel

Mock, William N

Molino, Jose

Money, John H

Montgomery, Andrew

Montgomery, John

Montgomery, M

Moore, J D

Moore, Robert

Moore, Robert D

Moore, Samuel

Moore, William A

Mordorff, Henry

More, William P

Moreland, Isaac N

Morgan, John

Morris, Bethel

Morris, John

Morris, Spencer

Morton, John V

Mosier, Adam

Moss, John

Moss, Matthew

Mottley, William Junius Dr - Mortally Wounded

Murphy, David

Murray, William

Myers, E G

Nabors, William

Nash, John D

Navarro, Nepomuceno

Neal, John

Nealis, Francis

Neill, James C - Wounded in Battle

Neill, Samuel C

Nelson, David S

Nelson, James - Wounded in Battle

Newman, W G

Newton, ?

Noland, Wesley W

O'Bannon, Jennings

O'Bryan, Luke

O'Conner, Patrick B

O'Conner, Thomas

Odem, David

O'Driscoll, Daniel

O'Kelley, Connell

O'Neil, William

Orr, Thomas

Osborne, Benjamin

Owen, J D

Owen, James D

Ownby, James

Pace, Dempsey

Pace, James Robert

Pace, William

Page, Solomon C

Park, Joseph B

Park, William A - Wounded in Battle

Parker, Dickinson

Paschall, Samuel

Pate, William H

Patterson, James S

Patton, StClair

Patton, William

Patton, William H

Peck, Nathaniel

Peck, Nicolas

Peebles, R P Dr

Peebles, Samuel W

Pena, Jacinto

Pennington, J M

Pentecost, George W

Perch, Levy

Perry, James F

Peterson, John

Peterson, William

Pettus, Edward C

Pettus, John F

Petty, George W

Pevehouse, Preston

Pevetoe, Michael

Phillips, Elijah

Phillips, S

Phillips, Samuel

Pickering, J

Pier, J H

Pierce, Edward

Pierce, W J C

Pinchback, James R

Plaster, Thomas Phiney

Pleasants, John

Plunkett, John

Polk, Thomas

Powell, James

Pratt, Thomas P

Price, Berry

Price, Hardy W B

Price, Robert

Price, William

Proctor, J W

Pruett, Leroy

Pruett, Martin

Pruitt, Elisha

Putman, Michael - Wounded in Battle

Rainey, Clement

Rainwater, E R

Ramey, Lawrence

Ramirez, Edwardo

Raymond, S B

Reaves, Dimer W

Rector, Claiborn

Rector, Elbridge Gerry - Wounded in Battle

Rector, Pendleton

Redd, William D

Reed, Henry

Reed, Nathaniel

Reel, Robert J W

Reese, Charles K

Reese, W P

Rheinhart, Asa

Rhodes, ?

Rhodes, Joseph

Rial, John W

Richardson, D L

Richardson, John

Richardson, Lewis

Richardson, William

Ricks, George W

Ripley, Phineas

Robbins, Earl

Robbins, John

Robbins, Thomas

Roberts, David

Roberts, S R

Roberts, Sion

Robertson, William

Robinson, George Washington - Wounded in Battle

Robinson, J

Robinson, James W

Robinson/Robertson, Jesse

Robinson, Thomas J

Robison, Joel W

Rockwell, C B

Rodriquez, Ambrosio

Roman, A Richard

Rounds, Lyman F

Rowe, James

Ruddell, John

Rudder, Nathaniel

Rusk, David

Rusk, Thomas Jefferson

Russell, Robert B

Ryons, Thomas

Sadler, John

Sadler, William T

Sam, Garett

Sanders, John

Sanders, Uriah

Sayers, John

Scallorn, John W

Scarborough, Paul

Scates, William B

Scott, David

Scott, William P

Scraggs, J H

Scurry, Richardson

Secrest, Fielding

Secrest, Washington

Seguin, Juan Nepomuceno

Self, George

Sennat, Andrew

Sergeant, William

Seve, Ralph E

Sevey, Manasseh

Sharp, John

Shaw, James

Sherman, Sidney

Sheston, Henry

Shreve, John M

Shupe, Samuel

Sigmond, Abel

Simmon, William

Simpson, John

Slack, Joseph

Slayton, John

Smith, A M H

Smith, Benjamin Fort

Smith, Daniel

Smith, Erastus [Deaf]

Smith, I G

Smith, James E

Smith, John

Smith, John

Smith, John

Smith, John H

Smith, John T

Smith, Robert W

Smith, W W

Smith, William

Smith, William

Smith, William

Smith, William A

Smith, William M

Smith, William H - Wounded in Battle

Snell, Martin K

Snodgrass, J G

Snyder, M

Somervell, Alexander

Sovereign, Joseph

Sparks, Stephen F

Spicer, J A

Splane, Peyton R

Splane, Thomas M

Stancell, John F

Standifer, Jacob L

Starkley, Benjamin F

Stebbins, Charles C

Steele, Alphonso - Wounded in Battle

Steele, Maxwell

Steele, William H

Stephens, Ashley R - Mortally Wounded

Stephens, Charles

Stephenson, Robert

Stevenson, John

Stevenson, R

Stewart, Charles

Stewart, James

Stillwell, William S

Stouffer, Henry S

Strode, John W

Stroh, Phillip

Stump, John S

Sullivan, Dennis

Summers, William W

Sutherland, George

Swain, William W

Swearengen, V W

Swearingen, Elemeleck

Swearingen, W C

Sweeney, William Burrell

Swift, Hugh M

Swisher, Harvey H

Swisher, John M

Sylvester, James Austin

Tanner, Edward M

Tarin, Manuel

Tarleton, James

Taylor, Abraham R

Taylor, Campbell

Taylor, Edward W

Taylor, J

Taylor, J B

Taylor, John N

Taylor, William S

Thomas, Benjamin

Thomas, Taylor

Thompson, A P

Thompson, Charles P

Thompson, Cyrus W

Thompson, James B

Thompson, Jesse G

Thompson, Thomas

Threadgill, Joshua

Tierwester, Henry H

Tindale, Daniel

Tindall, William M

Tinsley, James W

Tom, John F - Wounded in Battle

Townsend, J

Townsend, J

Townsend, M

Townsend, Spencer

Trask, Olwyn J - Mortally Wounded

Trenary, John B

Trud, M

Tumlinson, John J

Tunage, Shelby C

Turner, Amasa

Tyler, Charles C

Tyler, Robert D T

Usher, Patrick

Utley, Thomas - Wounded in Battle

Van Winkle, John

Vandever, Logan - Wounded in Battle

Vaughn, Richard

Vermilion, Joseph

Vinator, James

Viven, John

von Roeder, Louis

Votaw, Elijah - Wounded in Battle

Wade, John M

Waldron, C W

Walker, James

Walker, John

Walker, Joseph

Walker, Martin - Wounded in Battle

Walker, William S - Wounded in Battle

Walling, Jesse

Walneet, Francis

Wardzinski, Felix

Ware, William

Warner, Thomas J

Waters, George - Wounded in Battle

Waters, William

Watkins, James E

Watson, Dexter

Webb, James

Webb, Thomas H

Weedon, George

Wells, James

Wells, Lysander

Welsh, James

Weppler, Phillip

Wertzner, Christian Gotthelf

Westgate, Ezra

Wharton, James

Wharton, John Austin

Wheeler, Samuel L

White, John Carey

White, Joseph E

White, L W

Whitehead, N

Whiteside, Elisha

Whittaker, Madison G

Wilcox, Oswin

Wilder, James IV

Wiley, Samuel

Wilkinson, Freeman

Wilkinson, James

Wilkinson, James C

Wilkinson, John

Wilkinson, Leroy - Wounded in Battle

Williams, Charles

Williams, Francis F

Williams, Hezekiah R

Williams, Jesse

Williams, Matthew R

Williams, W F

Williamson, Robert M

Willoughby, L

Wilmouth, Louis

Wilson, James

Wilson, Thomas R

Wilson, Walker B

Winburn, McHenry

Winett, Robert

Winn, Walker

Winters, A

Winters, James W

Winters, John F

Winters, William C - Wounded in Battle

Wood, Edward B

Wood, Robert

Wood, William

Woodlief, Devereaux J - Wounded in Battle

Woods, Joseph H

Woods, Riley

Woods, Samuel

Woodward, F M

Woolsey, Abner W

Word, W H

Wright, G

Wright, Gilbert

Wright, Rufus

Wyly, Alfred Henderson

Yancy, John

Yarborough, S

York, James Allison

Young, William Foster - Wounded in Battle

Zuber, William Physick

Zumwalt, Andrew

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The Hill family from all I can dig up was and is very big up around Brenham. They were huge into "Land Speculation". This W. L. Hill was with the Houston and Texas Central Railroad, and I am betting that was how he managed to get his hands on it, since the majority of the Aldine area was originally alotted for railroad right of way. This is speculation on my part however. Times were tough in the 1920's and a lot of people were forced to sell their land rights to survive. William C. J. Hill, his father served in the Republic of Texas Army, and later was the Secretary of Railroad under President Houston. During this time they aquired huge land holdings across the state. (Imagine that). And if you look at the locations, Round Top, Sommerville, Brehnam, Millican, Rutersville, and LaGrange. All of these were very prominent RR stops during the RR's hey day. Strange enough, but true.

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This is my guess as to the location of the Martin Snell Survey

Snell_Survery.jpg

Yes, upon review and once again looking at the plat to my subdivision, you are dead on in your assumption about the location of the Martin Snell survey. I din't know at first what these numbers meant when I saw them on the plat, but now that I see this map, it is quite clear.

The section of Northline Terrace that I grew up in, Section 2, is Lot 118 of the Martin Snell Survey, which as is shown on the map you provided, is the large lot on the western edge of the survey south of the bayou and north of the "graded road" which is (or will be) West Gulf Bank.

That means the north/south road on the left is Airline. It's very tough to make out, but it appears to say "East Montgomery" which was another name for Airline. I couldn't make it out very well, but that has to be what is says.

That also means that the road on the right is, as you had said, Hardy. Interesting that is is denoted as Conroe County Graded Road. At least that's what it appears to say, but it's very hard to make out. And now I also see the railroad tracks you had alluded to.

Taking your information and the info provided earlier by Mark, it would seem that Martin K. Snell was a veteran of the Battle of San Jacinto who was given a grant of of land in north central Harris County after his service at San Jacinto. According to the Texas Land Grant database, apparently Snell patented the land to John Fitzgerald in 1847. Sometime between 1847 and 1921, W.L. Hill came into control of the land. Hill, apparently a land speculator, divided the land and filed a map in 1921.

From info I've found, sometime between 1921 and 1945, Lot 118 was purchased by Tommy Okabayashi. Some in the neighborhood say this took place in 1932. HCAD says Okabayashi built a house at 351 West Gulf Bank in 1945 (which HCAD says is W.L. Hill Lot 116 - right across the street!)

Sometime around 1963 or 1964, Okabayashi sold the 78-acre Lot 118 to the Oak Glen Building Company. Oak Glen Building Company took W.L. Hill Lot 118 and combined it with a 111-acre D. Hacker Survey tract to create Northline Terrace.

Thanks to info I found at UH tonight, Surburban Homes began marketing the 111-acre Hacker Survey tract in May 1964 as Northline Terrace Section 1. (Actually, the intial ad from the May 3, 1964 Houston Post simply calls the new neigborhood Northline). Sometime in late 1965 early 1966, Suburban Homes opened the Hill Survey Lot 118 as Northline Terrace Sections 2 and 3. My parents bought their home in early 1966.

Wow... it's like a puzzle. And it looks like a picture is emerging. Thanks so much for all your help!

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Here is more of the story...and probably as far as I will go with it. Yes that road is marked East Montgomery County Road in the map.

1847 - John Fitzgerald receives patent vo. 5 no. 497 date Sept 2, 1847

1852 - December 6th 1852 John Fitzgerald, living in New Orleans, but formerly of Houston sells the Martin J. Snell Survey to Edmund J. Hart of New Orleans.

1918 - April

The heirs of E.J. Hart sold the M.K. Snell survey to Ida Leovy of New Orleans for $26,000. This sale, interestingly enough also contained some land in Newton County, Texas that E.J. Hart had our purchased in 1890 for L. Snell and J.J. Snell and wife. Might be a story there as to where Martin K. Snell lived.

1920 - June 18 - Ida E. Leovy sold the M.K. Snell survey to J.A. Hill for $49,398.

1920 - Same day - J.A. Hill sold M.K. Snell Survey to W.L. Hill for $10. Must have been Dad giving to son.

1924 - W.L. Hill sold 45.7 acres of Lot 1, 30 acres of Lot 2, 12.6 acres of lot 54, 13.5 acres of lot 51, 20 acres of lot 52, 10 acre of lot 55, 10 acres of lot 57, 20 acres of lot 58, 10 acres of lot 59, 15 acres of lot 60, 10 acres of lot 110, 19.1 acres of lot 111, 10.5 acres of lot33, 14.8 acres of lot 3, 10 acres of lot 112, and the north half of lots 104, 105, and 106 to various people.

1924 - W. L. Hill sold the remaining land to the Little York Oil Company for $10.00. (He was one of the owners).

LOL! By the time I eventually make it down to the office to start my research, you will have already done it for me!

This is great stuff and I really appreciate your posting it. I take it you are finding his out through the deeds of sale, right?

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Early Masonic Lodge

Newton Lodge #136, Newton, /Newton County, Tx, return dated

27 Dec 1854 Master Masons

Wm. Braelsford N. P. West James Keaghey

J. J. Snell S. W. Snell J. R. Williams

David Ford Thos. Tammer Edward Hare

A. A. McWhorter J. M. Robuck James Cheatham

A. C. Swearingen David Hughes J. W. Stephenson

James McMahan D. C. Smith Robert Hughes

W. F. Tanner John Dickerson J. L. Irwin

R. C. Ballance H. Williams T. J. Brack

J. W. McMahan

Affiliated Masters

Friend McMahan W.M. J. Huddleston A. B. Burr

M. W. Burr Alexander Wilson Irvin Rogers

T. W. Burr

Fellow Crafts

John Alston S. S. Swearingen N. W. Gillaspie

John Frazier

Apprentices

W. H. Stark John Simmons T. S. McFarland

A. J. Watson Richard Odonm Ira Stephenson

Rejected Applicants

Bennet Elkins S. J. Simmons A. Duckworth

Source: Records in the library of the Masonic Grand Lodge Temple, Waco, Texas

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1850 FEDERAL CENSUS INDEX TO ONLINE IMAGES, NEWTON COUNTY, TEXAS; N-Z

The numbers in this index are the sheet numbers of the 1850 Federal

Census of Newton County, Texas (for example, index page 0762a

is sheet number 0762a).

The handwritten census pages themselves can be found on-line

in the

USGenWeb Archives at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/newton/census/1850

Note: All abbreviations were made by the original census taker,

not by the transcriber.

When the transcriber was in doubt of the handwriting,

a "?" was put in place.

Many of the names that appear in this index appear to

be phonically spelled by the census

taker and typed exactly as written by the transcriber.

Surname, Given Name, page #, Dwelling #, Family #

Snell A H 0127a 125 125

Snell Ann Elizabeth 0127a 121 121

Snell Fenton Ann 0127a 121 121

Snell Hamblin Elliott 0127a 121 121

Snell John J 0120b 23 23

Snell Levina Elizabeth 0127a 121 121

Snell Stephen 0127a 121 121

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I was back at Harris County Archives today. I was so close to finishing this story yesterday and didn't even know it.

1924 - The remaining land that had not already been sold was put into The Little York Oil Company with M. Schwarz as trustee.

1928 - There was a deed from M. Schwarz that said basically that the Little York Oil Company was never actually formed and that the remaining land in the Martin K. Snell survey was being handed over to the City Bank and Trust Company to cover other depts. All remaining property went to the bank.

The bank began to sell off the lots as they were divided by W.L. Hill. Sometimes they sold partial lots. Minoru Okabashi bought 20 acres out of lot 118 in 1938. Prior to that they had sold the same 20 acres to E.E. Frazier and wife Linda Byinski Frazier along with A.H. Telschow Jr. and wife Francis Byinski Telschow (nice of them to let you know they were sisters). Those couples defaulted on the loan and Okabayashi bought it in 1938. I didn't follow the other deeds back, but the names were C.B. Miller, Hanka Hermenia, Bernice L. Merrill and Faye Okabayashi.

I think those are the pricipal folks whose land became your section of the neighborhood. None of them held that land for more than 30 years that I could see. Too bad the whole thing could not have become a park. By 1924 is was very unusual for an entire survey to still be intact.

I wonder what Japanese farmers were growing in North Houston?

Ida E. Leovy was Edmond J. Hart's niece and he was a grocer and land speculator in New Orleans

I am familiar with the Frazier and Telschow names from NW Houston (White Oak, Rosslyn, Eureka)

Thanks again. I've got plenty of leads when I finally get down there to fill in the few remaining blanks.

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Northline Terrace Primer

The Northline Terrace neighborhood sits on land that was at least partially owned by Tommy Okabayashi. Okabayashi established a farm in either 1932 or 1945 at 351 West Gulf Bank Road. (Still need to find exact date - haven't made it to the Harris County Tax Office yet!)

In 1962, a bridge over Halls Bayou was built, extending W Mount Houston Road from U.S. 75 (the North Freeway was under construction) to Airline Drive, taking over portions of the already existing Mosher Lane. In 1964, another bridge was built over Halls Bayou, joining segments of Hacker Road from West Road to Canino. The Road was renamed Sweetwater Lane.

Sometime in the early 1960s (probably 1962 or 1963), Okabayashi sold part of his land. In 1964, the Oak Glen Building Company started development of Northline Terrace Section 1 on 111 acres of land stretching basically from 1-45 east to Cheswick and from W Gulf Bank Road north to Halls Bayou. The 66-acre Section 2 and 9-acre Section 3 were developed in 1965. Section 2 stretches from Cheswick east to Rockcliff and from W Gulf Bank Road to Halls Bayou, save for the 9100 block of Rockcliff. Section 3 is the 9100 of Rockcliff.

Suburban Homes built most of the homes in Section 1 east of Sweetwater (formerly Hacker) and all of the homes in Section 2. Other companies built the homes west of Sweetwater and several of the homes in Section 3 on Rockcliff (which is why they are different from the others).

Sections 1-3 closed out in 1966 at a total of 186 acres.

Northline Terrace Section 4 started development in 1966 south of W Gulf Bank on 42 acres stretching from W Gulf Bank south to Arrowdale. The 26-acre Section 5 opened in 1968 and went from Arrowdale south to Canino.

Most of the homes in Northline Terrace range in size from roughly 900 square foot to about 1100 square foot. All homes were originally single story homes of ranch style construction. Several have been expanded over the years to up to 1400 square feet and many have added multi-story additions. Homes in Sections 1-3 had open ditches in their front yards and asphalt streets. Over the years, many have had these filled in. Homes in Sections 4-5 have covered drainage and concrete, curbed streets.

All students in Sections 1-3 and those in Section 4 north of W Hartwick attend Aldine ISD schools and Aldine Senior High. Those living south of W Hartwick attend Houston ISD schools and are zoned for Sam Houston High.

While once almost exclusively white lower middle class, the area is now overwhelmingly Hispanic. Many of the original businesses and churches in the area have closed and have become something else, generally supporting a Spanish-speaking clientele.

Only the portion west of Sweetwater is in the city of Houston limits, having been annexed in 1978. The remaining portion is in unincorporated Harris County and falls under the recently formed Airline Improvement District. The neighborhood therfore is not served by city of Houston water, sewer or garbage collection and must rely on private companies for these. Water and sewer is provided by the Sunbelt Freshwater Supply District.

The Airline Improvement District, formed in 2005, supposedly aims to improve basic services such as water, serwer and public safety as these areas have proved a challenge as the neighborhood and surrounding community's demographics have changed.

Another challenge has been increased flooding along Halls Bayou, despite several drainage "improvements" in the area. In 2001, Tropical Storm Allison innundated Northline Terrace, causing many homes along Halls Bayou to flood from Beaver Bend to Rainy River. Even today, each time it rains, the intersections of I-45 at W Gulf Bank and W Mount Houston flood with increased regularity, even ending up in recent national news stories as photos of people wading through these flooded street appeared on CNN.com.

Please feel free to expand this should you have additional information.

I lived in 1300 blk of Hartwick during the 50s [1 blk E of what is now Hardy Toll Rd feeder ...old Hardy]. Between Hardy & Aldine Westfield Rds, the district borders changed at @ the 1500 blk of Hartwick [where the road makes a curve. HISD & Aldine busses picked up on Hartwick in the area between Aldine Westfield & Hardy. I was so lucky...bus service at my front door!! I went to HISD [the NEW Sam Houston High & loved it]. West of RR Tracks/Hardy, I seem to remember the districts borders was Canino Rd. ?

The "home place" was sold in the mid 80s, but there was never flooding. It was rural setting with lots @ acre in size.

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I also found out the the Martin K. Snell survey extended over to the other side of I-45. I think that section II (?) of Northline Terrace right on the west side of 45 is still Martin K. Snell, so the satellite map I made from Google was a bit off.

No, I don't think that's right. I am quite confident you were correct with your original post.

According to what I've found, Northline Terrace Sections 2 and 3 were on Martin KSnell/W L Hill Lot 118, which accroding to that great map you provided the other dayt was on the extreme western edge of the survey.

Northline Terrace Section 2

However, Northline Terrace Section 1 was in the D Hacker and Phillip Tharp Surveys, according to the Harris County Block Books and thus does not lie on that map. Sweetwater, which runs through Section 1, was also once called Hacker, presumably after the Hacker of the Hacker Survey.

Northline Terrace Section 1

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I lived in 1300 blk of Hartwick during the 50s [1 blk E of what is now Hardy Toll Rd feeder ...old Hardy]. Between Hardy & Aldine Westfield Rds, the district borders changed at @ the 1500 blk of Hartwick [where the road makes a curve. HISD & Aldine busses picked up on Hartwick in the area between Aldine Westfield & Hardy. I was so lucky...bus service at my front door!! I went to HISD [the NEW Sam Houston High & loved it]. West of RR Tracks/Hardy, I seem to remember the districts borders was Canino Rd. ?

The "home place" was sold in the mid 80s, but there was never flooding. It was rural setting with lots @ acre in size.

Thanks for that post. If you have any stories of the area during the time you lived there, by all means please share them. I'd be particularly interested in the businesses in the area at the time and what things people did for entertainment in the area.

You could be right about a district's border changing. Yesterday I came across a story from 1958 that discussed how AISD was upset and considering appealing a ruling that forced the district to cede the neighborhood of Oak Forest to HISD. HISD took Oak Forest from Aldine after the city of Houston annexed the neighborhood.

Apparently, at one time in the past, every time the city annexed an area, it also became part of HISD. I've also seen stories about Pasadena ISD speaking of how they lost slices of their district when Houston annexed unincorporated parts of PISD.

The story about AISD losing Oak Forest cleared up a mystery for me concerning the Aldine High fire of 1954. AISD mentioned transferring high school students to Aldine Elementary and then moving the elementary students to Inez Carroll and Katherine Smith Elementaries. However, Smith was 15 miles away in Oak Forest and that meant a long bus ride. I kept wondering why AISD was talking about an HISD school. Now I can see why... because in 1954 it wasn't HISD, it was AISD.

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What does this mean when you're trying to post a picture on the board?

Sorry, dynamic pages in the %7Boption%7D tags are not allowed

I loaded a map on imagevenue then tried to download it here using the "Insert Image" button. I copied the url and when I hit "Add Reply" that's what I got.

What in the world is a "dynamic page"???

It will let me insert a link, but not an image:

AISD Map

It's a satellite image of the Aldine ISD. I photoshopped in the district boundaries and some other info.

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Red Line - Current Aldine ISD boundary

Blue Line - Aldine High School area (the area covered in my history report)

White Line - Aldine Township

Green Line - Northline Terrace Subdivision (Sections 1-3)

AISD High Schools Past and Present

1 - Aldine High School (1956

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This makes me wonder if anyone has ever put together a map showing the evolution of AISD's boundaries.

I'd like to do just that, provided I can find accurate enough information to do so. There's a map at the Texas Room that shows what I believe to be AISD's original boundaries. Here's a very crude and quite bad picture I took of it that unfortunately has glare on it.

Original AISD Boundaries

Since this map is built on today's street grid, it's quite easy to see that Acres Homes and the Inwood areas are obviously not part of AISD.

From what I've found, Acres Homes became part of AISD when AISD and HISD split the old White Oak district in 1937. Unfortunately, my pic doesn't show the White Oak district because at the time I took it months ago when I began this project, the relevance of that info didn't occur to me. I would suppose that Oak Forest was part of of White Oak school district.

In 1949 (I believe) AISD took over part of the North Houston district, part of which is shown on that map.

In 1958, AISD was forced to cede Oak Forest to HISD.

So far that's all the changes I know. Hopefully someone else will point out others or correct me if I am wrong.

Next time I go back, I'll make sure to get pictures of not only the Aldine segment, but also the surrounding districts such as the defunct White Oak and North Houston districts.

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The story about AISD losing Oak Forest cleared up a mystery for me concerning the Aldine High fire of 1954. AISD mentioned transferring high school students to Aldine Elementary and then moving the elementary students to Inez Carroll and Katherine Smith Elementaries. However, Smith was 15 miles away in Oak Forest and that meant a long bus ride. I kept wondering why AISD was talking about an HISD school. Now I can see why... because in 1954 it wasn't HISD, it was AISD.

When did that stop?

By the way, I want to rezone all of Houston into HISD. IMO I think that's a long shot, but I feel like the city needs a unified school district.

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When did that stop?

By the way, I want to rezone all of Houston into HISD. IMO I think that's a long shot, but I feel like the city needs a unified school district.

Not sure when it stopped. The organization that ordered AISD to surrender Oak Forest to HISD was the Harris County School Board, which is no longer around.

I thought the county school board went out of business with the Gilmer-Akins laws of 1949 which reorganized education on a state level, but obviously I was mistaken there. A haphazard guess would be that the practice of HISD ended when the Harris County School Board was dissolved, whenever that happened.

It definitely was gone by 1978, because AISD didn't have to give Hidden Valley to HISD when the city took in that neighborhood nor did the Clear Creek ISD become part of HISD when Houston annexed Clear Lake City.

And apparently it had ended before the city annexed Acres Homes, because HISD didn't take the AISD part of that community.

I don't have any children nor will I be having any children, so I guess as far as HISD taking over all education in Harris County that has no real immediate impact on me. However, why in the world would you want such a thing??? HISD already has enough problems of their own, so growing by several hundred percent surely won't help them get any better... probably will make things worse.

At the very least, an all-county HISD (or HCISD as in Harris County ISD) would up probably continue their policy of decentralization. So what would be the point of putting everything together if they're just going to keep control local?

I believe that Airline road was called that because there was a subdivision platted out about the same time as Aldine called Airline in the HT&C block #6. (See the survey map). The original road probably went from Houston to Airline, but I don't know that for a fact, but it used to be called The Airline Highway. Probably the point where Stuebner-Airline (Stuebner-to-Arline) comes into Airline might be just about the spot.

isuredid, for some odd reason I can't respond to your post. Keeps coming up as "cannot find server." But I can reply to others... weird.

Anyway, your ideas about Airline sure sound a lot more plausible than the source where I got my information. I found mine in a Houston Chronicle story about how streets got their name. The story quotes a book at the HPL Texas Room. But that sotry about a "crow flying in an air line" sure sounds kinda dumb.

But then, that brings the question about how the subdivision named Airline got its name!

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Well, I don't mean all of Harris County - I mean the Houston city limits.

What I want is a unified magnet program that takes in all of the kids in the city limits and the "island cities" of Houston- E.G. I want children in Kingwood, Clear Lake, AND Alief to be in the same magnet programs that also have central Houston. I want magnet programs established at Kingwood and Clear Lake, and, at the same time, I want Kingwood and Clear Lake kids to be eligible for HSPVA and DeBakey.

Not sure when it stopped. The organization that ordered AISD to surrender Oak Forest to HISD was the Harris County School Board, which is no longer around.

I thought the county school board went out of business with the Gilmer-Akins laws of 1949 which reorganized education on a state level, but obviously I was mistaken there. A haphazard guess would be that the practice of HISD ended when the Harris County School Board was dissolved, whenever that happened.

It definitely was gone by 1978, because AISD didn't have to give Hidden Valley to HISD when the city took in that neighborhood nor did the Clear Creek ISD become part of HISD when Houston annexed Clear Lake City.

And apparently it had ended before the city annexed Acres Homes, because HISD didn't take the AISD part of that community.

I don't have any children nor will I be having any children, so I guess as far as HISD taking over all education in Harris County that has no real immediate impact on me. However, why in the world would you want such a thing??? HISD already has enough problems of their own, so growing by several hundred percent surely won't help them get any better... probably will make things worse.

At the very least, an all-county HISD (or HCISD as in Harris County ISD) would up probably continue their policy of decentralization. So what would be the point of putting everything together if they're just going to keep control local?

isuredid, for some odd reason I can't respond to your post. Keeps coming up as "cannot find server." But I can reply to others... weird.

Anyway, your ideas about Airline sure sound a lot more plausible than the source where I got my information. I found mine in a Houston Chronicle story about how streets got their name. The story quotes a book at the HPL Texas Room. But that sotry about a "crow flying in an air line" sure sounds kinda dumb.

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isuredid, for some odd reason I can't respond to your post. Keeps coming up as "cannot find server." But I can reply to others... weird.

Same here.

To add more confusion to the matter, my 1939 Chamber of Commerce map has Airline ending at North Main. Fulton turns into East Montgomery near Moody Park and continues north from there.

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I see the road that comes from the south and veers to the right is called Atascosita Road. I can't see what the name of the one branching off that goes through North Houston. Do you know the name of that one?

And what's the other diagonal line on the left? A railroad?

And interestingly enough, the map simply calls it Cross Timber with no plural. Guess the other timber came later? LOL!

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Yeah, now I can see that too. Jensen and Aldine Westfield. Yup.

"Bender's Bridge"... I think Bender is the name of the person who founded Humble and also had something to do with the name of the Bender community at the end of Aldine Bender Road. But if Bender's Bridge is on Creek, that's not close to either of those.

Still, it must be the same guy... not like there were that many Benders running around back then. Maybe people ON a Bender...

Also, that area identified as "North Houston" would appear to be the area around Weiss Park. I've never heard of that area called that. I always thought North Houston was formally the area around where 249 splits into West Montgomery and West Mountain Houston. Lots of later maps pinpoint it there.

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I grew up in Greenridge North and went to Aldine High School (woulda been cooler to go to "Alamo High", though).

Great stuff! Hard to believe that area really was just "cow pasture".

Yeah, I'm with you... Alamo would have been a great name for a high school, although San Antonio has first dibs on that name.

However, if you go back over the thread, there's a great deal of speculation that the land the current Aldine High sits on wasn't a cow pasture, but some sort of private airfield called Gulf Coast Airport. Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get any more so far.

If I ever manage to get back to the Texas Room at the old library downtown, I'll just try to look it up in an old phone book from 1953 or earlier. That ought to give an address. Then I'll just keep going back in the books until it doesn't appear anymore, and that will give an approximation as to when it started.

But first I gotta get down to the Texas Room first.

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Great thread. I moved to Houston in 1963 and lived on Hill Road until June 1966. I bought a house in Northline Terrace and lived on Glenbury Drive from June 1966 until September 2005. Lots of interesting stuff here about the area. I lived there all that time, but have got an education right here. I was a big Aldine football fan and the comment about doing a history on them caught my eye. This is something I have wanted someone to do for a long time. Do you plan to publish this or is this just for personal use? I certainally would be interested in it.

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Great thread. I moved to Houston in 1963 and lived on Hill Road until June 1966. I bought a house in Northline Terrace and lived on Glenbury Drive from June 1966 until September 2005. Lots of interesting stuff here about the area. I lived there all that time, but have got an education right here. I was a big Aldine football fan and the comment about doing a history on them caught my eye. This is something I have wanted someone to do for a long time. Do you plan to publish this or is this just for personal use? I certainally would be interested in it.

Doubt I'll publish it, but I'd be happy to e-mail you a pdf of it when I'm done.

I'm not too far away from finishing, provided I leave out all the area history part... that's what's been taken all my time. If I leave that for later, I could have just the scores and season highlights done within a month and save the other stuff for an expanded version later.

I've compiled all the scores and standings from 1936 to 2005. I'm missing five scores (out of more than 700), so I figure I've got about 99 percent of the games.

Unfortunately, I'm missing (or think I'm missing) what is, to me, the most important game of all... the first one. From what I've been able to piece together, Aldine only played three games its inaugural season. I've found two of them. Only one game was covered by a newspaper, and that was a 37-0 loss to La Porte on October 17, 1936. Of course, when you get beat 37-0, you don't have too many highlights, and as such, Aldine doesn't get mentioned at all in the story... it's all La Porte.

The next week, Aldine lost to some school called Huntsville Demonstration 39-0. Huntsville Demonstration was a school run out of Sam Houston State University. It apparently didn't last long after the 1930s. There was no story on this game, only a notation in the weekly scoreboard.

I can't find the third game nor do I know who it was against or the date it was played. I'm only guessing at its existence because a web site called texpreps.com says that Aldine was 0-3 in their first year. I've found about five errors on their site, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here.

So, maybe the La Porte game was Aldine's first. Or maybe this other game was. I simply don't know. I've contacted the high school and the school district. Aldine's head coach says all records were thrown out when they remodeled the field house. I never heard back from the AISD athletic director. And never could get anyone at the UIL or texpreps.com to return messages. Pretty frustrating, I'll tell you.

Of the five games I'm missing, one is from 1936, one from 1937, one from 1938, one from 1939, one from 1942. The 1936 and 1937 games I don't know anything about. The 1938 and 1942 games were against Webster (now Clear Creek) and the 1939 game was against Willis. I've contacted both Clear Creek and Willis. Willis doesn't have records going back that far and I never heard back from Clear Creek.

Here to whet your appetite are the scores from what might well be one of the best Aldine teams ever: 1941 District 29-A champion Mustangs.

* - District game

v Somerville Yeguas - W 54-0

v Milby Buffaloes - W 7-0

v La Porte Bulldogs* - W 7-0

v Humble Wildcats - W 19-0

v Cypress Bobcats* - W 30-0

v Tomball Cougars* - W 13-7

v Crosby Buffaloes* - W 44-0

v Webster Wildcats* - W 39-0

Bidistrict Playoff

v Richmond Tigers - W 20-13

Conference A Region 8 Championship

v Navasota Rattlers - L 6-40

Wins 9 Losses 1

Conference A teams only played to a regional championship until 1948. Only AA played to a state title.

The game against Richmond, interestingly enough, was played on Friday, December 5, 1941 - two days before Pearl Harbor.

This was Aldine's first undeated seasin, first district championship and first playoff win. The previous year, Aldine captured a district zone title (akin to winning the Big 12 South), but lost the District Championship game to Pasadena. There was no district championship game in 1941 as the other zone winner, Galena Park, was banned from the postseason for using an ineligible player, as was the runnerup, Freeport.

The team pitched seven shutouts on 1941, a team record that still stands. They opened the season with five consecutive shutouts, a record they share with the 1940 team, who closed their year with five consecutive whitewashes. That means that Aldine shut out 10 consecutive regular season opponents over the last five games of 1940 and the first five of 1941. The only exception was the aforementioned 35-7 loss in the 1940 District 29-A title game.

The Milby game has an interesting background. That was to have been an open week for Aldine. Conference AA Milby's scheduled opponent backed out at the last minute and their coach called Aldine and arranged a game on short notice. With almost no prep time, the Conference A Mustangs shut out the Conference AA Buffs 7-0 in what was considered a big upset.

Here was the starting lineup for that team. Do note that teams played "one platoon" or "ironman" football - meaning player played both offense and defense:

Left End Whitfield

Left Tackle Walla

Left Guard Roach

Center Youngdoff

Right Guard Martin

Right Tackle Rigby

Right End Cornwell

Quarterback Slaughter

Left Half Jones

Right Half Deaton

Fullback Mendel

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Unfortunately, I'm missing (or think I'm missing) what is, to me, the most important game of all... the first one.

I can't find the third game nor do I know who it was against or the date it was played. I'm only guessing at its existence because a web site called texpreps.com says that Aldine was 0-3 in their first year. I've found about five errors on their site, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here.

You have probably done this but,

have you looked for high school yearbooks for your missing data?

I don't know how easy they would be to find (shouldn't aldine hs. have copies?)

they typically always list the schedule and scores for the various sports teams

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You have probably done this but,

have you looked for high school yearbooks for your missing data?

I don't know how easy they would be to find (shouldn't aldine hs. have copies?)

they typically always list the schedule and scores for the various sports teams

Actually, I looked through my yearbooks for the scores from 1980 through 1983... and once I saw numerous mistakes (including names, dates, district numbers and scores), decided that probably wasn't a good alternative. Not that I haven't spotted glaring errors in Chronicle or Post stories... but...

I may well do that as a last resort, however. Problem is, I now live on the west side of town and it's not convenient to go by the school.

And, that's assuming they even have yearbooks from those years. I kinda doubt they do. Seems that was one of the first ideas I had, but then noticed that my copy of my 1980 yearbook was something like Volume 34 or 36, which means Volume 1 would have been in the mid 1940s and not the late 1930s. Plus, since the school burned down in 1954, it's likely any yearbooks would have been destroyed too.

But I'll still probably give it a shot at the very end. Can't hurt.

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Actually, I looked through my yearbooks for the scores from 1980 through 1983... and once I saw numerous mistakes (including names, dates, district numbers and scores), decided that probably wasn't a good alternative. Not that I haven't spotted glaring errors in Chronicle or Post stories... but...

I may well do that as a last resort, however. Problem is, I now live on the west side of town and it's not convenient to go by the school.

And, that's assuming they even have yearbooks from those years. I kinda doubt they do. Seems that was one of the first ideas I had, but then noticed that my copy of my 1980 yearbook was something like Volume 34 or 36, which means Volume 1 would have been in the mid 1940s and not the late 1930s. Plus, since the school burned down in 1954, it's likely any yearbooks would have been destroyed too.

But I'll still probably give it a shot at the very end. Can't hurt.

Great stuff. I had compiled all of their playoff scores, but didn't know the dates (such as the close to Pear Harbor date). I became acquainted with Aldine in 1958 (Visited Houston, met an Aldine girl and later married her). Our children graduated from Aldine as well. Saw a lot of Aldine games, but starting in 1975 I missed very, very few. I have some contacts at Aldine High and just talked to one of them who is a football nut and even goes to see some of the games of players who leave Aldine and go to college. She has scores and year books dating back into the 30's. She works at the school, but isn't working today. She is going to call me tomorrow and I will see if she has any of your missing scores.

I found the stuff you posted above very interesting and informative. I would be very much interested in getting a copy of the pdf.

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I have the playoff scores, but didn't know any of the history prior to the time I started watching them. I got the playoff scores off a Collier-Sharp website that had a wealth of high school history, but doesn't exist anymore. That is very interesting about the defensive strength of the team in '40 & '41. I have talked to a guy who played in the game against Falfurrias in '48. He said the game ended with Aldine ahead 13-7 and they went to their dressing room thinking they had won, but the officials claimed time hadn't expired and they went back and played a few more downs until Falfurrias scored and then the game ended. He said the game had been on the radio and there were Aldine fans who met them at the train station who still thought they had won. If he wasn't pulling my leg, that was interesting.

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I have the playoff scores, but didn't know any of the history prior to the time I started watching them. I got the playoff scores off a Collier-Sharp website that had a wealth of high school history, but doesn't exist anymore. That is very interesting about the defensive strength of the team in '40 & '41. I have talked to a guy who played in the game against Falfurrias in '48. He said the game ended with Aldine ahead 13-7 and they went to their dressing room thinking they had won, but the officials claimed time hadn't expired and they went back and played a few more downs until Falfurrias scored and then the game ended. He said the game had been on the radio and there were Aldine fans who met them at the train station who still thought they had won. If he wasn't pulling my leg, that was interesting.

Yeah, I know all about that Collier-Sharp web site... that's was the first place I started my research.

As for the Falfurrias game, the news report I read merely mentioned the TD and extra point were on the final play of the game. Didn't say anything about how people had gone back to the dressing room. But I have no reason to doubt the story you heard was true. Wow... I've been to Falfurrias... and that's a long way even now. Imagine making that trip in 1948, leaving the game all happy and then finding out later what had happened!

BTW... that Falfurrias game was a week after what arguably could still be called the biggest win in Aldine history. The week before, the Mustangs had pulled an incredible 20-0 upset of El Campo, which entered the game at old Rice Stadium having won 33 straight games.

And if your contact has that information I'm missing, that would be fantastic.

For the 1936 and 1937 games, I have zero info. the 1938 game against Webster was the fifth game of the year. I believe Aldine won that game, but I have no idea as to the score. The 1939 Willis game was the season opener and I know Aldine won it based on later reports that give the Mustang's season record. But again, I don't know the score. Same goes for the 1942 Webster game, which was the eighth game of the season.

As I said in another post, if I leave off the area history part and concentrate solely on football, I could be finished in about a month. I've also got lengthy sidebars on Aldine area history (a lot of which I've posted on the board), the history of my neighborhood and on popular culture of the times. That's the time consuming part. I can always include that in a later version.

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I can't find the third game nor do I know who it was against or the date it was played. I'm only guessing at its existence because a web site called texpreps.com says that Aldine was 0-3 in their first year. I've found about five errors on their site, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here.

Texpreps/Joe Lee Smith's records, I almost subscribed for a month one time just to see what he had. They had some samples and I believe you could get a free 7 or 10 day trial, but I didn't do it. Figured it would be a hassle to unsubscribe.

As I am sure you know they are a ton of high school websites. One that has a lot of high school records (I believe all 5A and 4A + some others) from at least '86 thru present is texashsfootball. There is a possibility of a charge to access them later on, but for now, they are free.

Actually, the Collier-Sharp records still exist on another site, but it hasn't been updated since, I believe, 2002. You may know that. If not, and you want the address let me know.

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Texpreps/Joe Lee Smith's records, I almost subscribed for a month one time just to see what he had. They had some samples and I believe you could get a free 7 or 10 day trial, but I didn't do it. Figured it would be a hassle to unsubscribe.

As I am sure you know they are a ton of high school websites. One that has a lot of high school records (I believe all 5A and 4A + some others) from at least '86 thru present is texashsfootball. There is a possibility of a charge to access them later on, but for now, they are free.

Actually, the Collier-Sharp records still exist on another site, but it hasn't been updated since, I believe, 2002. You may know that. If not, and you want the address let me know.

Yup, done all of that. The texashsfootball one is actually missing Aldine's 1996 record.

But thanks for the info.

Here's another tidbit for you: The Mustangs are 1-1-1 all-time against the state's top-ranked team in the AP poll.

In 1981 they tied Port Arthur Jefferson 21-21 in bidistrict, advancing on penetrations. Was at that game and I've never heard the Dome so loud.

In 1988 the 8th ranked Ponies lost 21-7 to Willowridge in a Week 2 showdown.

And, in 1989, they shocked Converse Judson 48-14 on a freezing day in San Antonio in the 5A state semifinals. I was at that game and whew... that was one coooooooooold day. Spent five hours on the road for a game that lasted 90 minutes. There was no halftime... at least no bands. No one threw the ball which thankfully kept the clock running.

All-time against state-ranked teams, Aldine is 16-24-2. First win over a state-ranked opponent was a 30-6 spanking of then 8th ranked Forest Brook.

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Yup, done all of that. The texashsfootball one is actually missing Aldine's 1996 record.

But thanks for the info.

Here's another tidbit for you: The Mustangs are 1-1-1 all-time against the state's top-ranked team in the AP poll.

In 1981 they tied Port Arthur Jefferson 21-21 in bidistrict, advancing on penetrations. Was at that game and I've never heard the Dome so loud.

In 1988 the 8th ranked Ponies lost 21-7 to Willowridge in a Week 2 showdown.

And, in 1989, they shocked Converse Judson 48-14 on a freezing day in San Antonio in the 5A state semifinals. I was at that game and whew... that was one coooooooooold day. Spent five hours on the road for a game that lasted 90 minutes. There was no halftime... at least no bands. No one threw the ball which thankfully kept the clock running.

All-time against state-ranked teams, Aldine is 16-24-2. First win over a state-ranked opponent was a 30-6 spanking of then 8th ranked Forest Brook.

I was at all those games. Against PA Jeff, the 20 yard line was the goal line on the last drive. They were tied in penetrations and PA Jeff was ahead in first downs. Aldine just made it across the 20. I was mentally exausted.

The Judson game is one of my all time favorites. I almost froze, but was all warm and fuzzy inside. That was one of the best all around games I have ever seen Aldine play against a quality opponent.

I skipped the Permian game the next week and watched on TV. It was so cold they had scheduled brown outs around town to conserve electricity. I was afraid they were going to cut my power while I was watching, but they didn't.

What was Conroe's ranking when Aldine beat them in '85, I was thinking they were no. 1, but I could be wrong.

When I said I was at all those games I was talking about the 3 you made reference to against no. 1 teams. I probably saw most of those others against state-ranked opponents, but can't say for sure. Offhand I don't remember all of the games that were against state-ranked opponents and was unaware of Aldine's record against them. Good info.

No, there is a forum on texashsfootball that has all the individual scores posted by a poster from West Orange Stark (WOS87) and Aldine's '96 scores are there. I believe you are talking about a time line ditty that was posted and Aldine's '96 record wasn't included. Old WOS87 has done extensive work.

Go to the message board, select Texas HS Football, select Complete Team Histories.

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I was at all those games. Against PA Jeff, the 20 yard line was the goal line on the last drive. They were tied in penetrations and PA Jeff was ahead in first downs. Aldine just made it across the 20. I was mentally exausted.

The Judson game is one of my all time favorites. I almost froze, but was all warm and fuzzy inside. That was one of the best all around games I have ever seen Aldine play against a quality opponent.

I skipped the Permian game the next week and watched on TV. It was so cold they had scheduled brown outs around town to conserve electricity. I was afraid they were going to cut my power while I was watching, but they didn't.

What was Conroe's ranking when Aldine beat them in '85, I was thinking they were no. 1, but I could be wrong.

When I said I was at all those games I was talking about the 3 you made reference to against no. 1 teams. I probably saw most of those others against state-ranked opponents, but can't say for sure. Offhand I don't remember all of the games that were against state-ranked opponents and was unaware of Aldine's record against them. Good info.

No, there is a forum on texashsfootball that has all the individual scores posted by a poster from West Orange Stark (WOS87) and Aldine's '96 scores are there. I believe you are talking about a time line ditty that was posted and Aldine's '96 record wasn't included. Old WOS87 has done extensive work.

Go to the message board, select Texas HS Football, select Complete Team Histories.

Yes, I am familiar with WOS87. I'm not quite sure where he got his info... I'm thinking it's texpreps.com because his numbers and theirs have the same discrepancies. That has to do with those missing games I posted about earlier and some curious potential errors I've found in news sources that I think I've corrected but they haven't.

Don't want to bore you with the details (I explain them in my report) but one them has to do with that game I mentioned earlier where one paper said Aldine beat La Porte and the other one said La Porte beat Aldine in 1945. Apparently they went with the later and I found info that shows the former was actually true, so our numbers for that season differ. He showsa Aldine with 422 wins and I can only come up with 419. I do point out the discrepancies in my report and show exactly where I think they are along with my evidence to support why I have the numbers I have. Not discounting I could be wrong, of course.

As for Conroe, the Tigers were number 2 in the AP state poll and number one in the Chronicle local poll. Indeed, the Chronicle headline for that game was, "ALDINE CLIPS NO. 1 CONROE" -- meaning their number one team. I'd love to include that story, along with other big games such as the 1948 El Campo upset, in my report, but apparently the Chronicle forbids such things as they so state in their copyright line. Bummer. Those stories are what bring the report to life.

Yeah, I skipped the Odessa Permian game too. At first me and a friend were going to drive to Dallas, but with the weather so poor, we changed our mind. (According to official National Weather Service Records, it was 7 degree at IAH, the coldest ever record there and second coldest day ever in Houston). We thought about taking the bus caravan the school organized, but, unfortunately, we also had tickets for that night's Oiler fiasco against Cleveland. That was the year the team was 9-5 going into the final two games and only had to win one of two to clinch the division... and both games were at home. Naturally, being the Oilers, they not only lost one, but went ahead and lost them both and the playoff game after that too in Jerry Glanville's swan song.

Man, if I had a choice of which loss to take... one in the warm, toasty Dome or one in freezing Texas Stadium, I'd have taken Texas Stadium. At least Aldine tried and lost against a superior opponent in very adverse conditions. The Oilers simply laid yet another rotten egg.

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Yes, I am familiar with WOS87. I'm not quite sure where he got his info... I'm thinking it's texpreps.com because his numbers and theirs have the same discrepancies. That has to do with those missing games I posted about earlier and some curious potential errors I've found in news sources that I think I've corrected but they haven't.

Don't want to bore you with the details (I explain them in my report) but one them has to do with that game I mentioned earlier where one paper said Aldine beat La Porte and the other one said La Porte beat Aldine in 1945. Apparently they went with the later and I found info that shows the former was actually true, so our numbers for that season differ. He showsa Aldine with 422 wins and I can only come up with 419. I do point out the discrepancies in my report and show exactly where I think they are along with my evidence to support why I have the numbers I have. Not discounting I could be wrong, of course.

As for Conroe, the Tigers were number 2 in the AP state poll and number one in the Chronicle local poll. Indeed, the Chronicle headline for that game was, "ALDINE CLIPS NO. 1 CONROE" -- meaning their number one team. I'd love to include that story, along with other big games such as the 1948 El Campo upset, in my report, but apparently the Chronicle forbids such things as they so state in their copyright line. Bummer. Those stories are what bring the report to life.

Yeah, I skipped the Odessa Permian game too. At first me and a friend were going to drive to Dallas, but with the weather so poor, we changed our mind. (According to official National Weather Service Records, it was 7 degree at IAH, the coldest ever record there and second coldest day ever in Houston). We thought about taking the bus caravan the school organized, but, unfortunately, we also had tickets for that night's Oiler fiasco against Cleveland. That was the year the team was 9-5 going into the final two games and only had to win one of two to clinch the division... and both games were at home. Naturally, being the Oilers, they not only lost one, but went ahead and lost them both and the playoff game after that too in Jerry Glanville's swan song.

Man, if I had a choice of which loss to take... one in the warm, toasty Dome or one in freezing Texas Stadium, I'd have taken Texas Stadium. At least Aldine tried and lost against a superior opponent in very adverse conditions. The Oilers simply laid yet another rotten egg.

WOS87 may have gotten his info from texpreps.

I'm still waiting for a call from AHS. I didn't find out until yesterday about the old scores and yearbooks. Don't know yet what year they start. She said in the 30's.

I agree with you about the unreliability of old yearbooks. Sometimes I think they just used their memory to post scores at the end of the year. I have seen some real messes.

I always got a kick out of comparing stats when the Post was still around. There were almost always some discrepancies. And the temp at Texas Stadium that fateful day depends not only on which paper you read but also the day you read it.

Don't EVEN get me started on the Oilers.

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I'm still waiting for a call from AHS. I didn't find out until yesterday about the old scores and yearbooks. Don't know yet what year they start. She said in the 30's.

I just got my call. This stuff was in the vault at AHS and the oldest yearbook they have is '47. She said she was almost positive there had been some from the 30's, but they aren't there now. She also had started doing some football history, but hadn't worked on it for a long time. She said that was also gone, but she can't be certain that she didn't throw it away. Bummer! She is going to call someone she knows (I gave her the info you need), but it didn't sound too encouraging. Sorry if I got your hopes up.

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I just got my call. This stuff was in the vault at AHS and the oldest yearbook they have is '47. She said she was almost positive there had been some from the 30's, but they aren't there now. She also had started doing some football history, but hadn't worked on it for a long time. She said that was also gone, but she can't be certain that she didn't throw it away. Bummer! She is going to call someone she knows (I gave her the info you need), but it didn't sound too encouraging. Sorry if I got your hopes up.

Oh, well... Hope they didn't throw out my permanent record!

"If you don't behave, this will go in your permanent record and you'll be branded for life!"

On second thought...

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Oh, well... Hope they didn't throw out my permanent record!

"If you don't behave, this will go in your permanent record and you'll be branded for life!"

On second thought...

:lol:

I didn't know until I read it above that Aldine was at one time Marrs High School.

Yall may have done all of this, but I was trying to see what I could find out about Marrs High School, and ran across this. Note the time table on the right. Hope there wasn't any connection to the uprising and the burning of the school in '54. Since they were trying to reduce taxes you would think there wouldn't be, unless the other side...hum...j/k. My wife was attending when they closed down the school in '59.

See page 7

http://www.aldine.k12.tx.us/pdfs/handbooks...ng_handbook.pdf

Why couldn't they have included some football history in here?

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I didn't know until I read it above that Aldine was at one time Marrs High School.

Yall may have done all of this, but I was trying to see what I could find out about Marrs High School, and ran across this. Note the time table on the right. Hope there wasn't any connection to the uprising and the burning of the school in '54. Since they were trying to reduce taxes you would think there wouldn't be, unless the other side...hum...j/k. My wife was attending when they closed down the school in '59.

See page 7

http://www.aldine.k12.tx.us/pdfs/handbooks...ng_handbook.pdf

Why couldn't they have included some football history in here?

That history section is a little sparse, but it's a good starting point. It's how I figured who Marrs High was named for. Until reading that, I didn't know the Marrs name included the initials SMN. After that, I found the bio for State Supt Marrs.

Still not sure why they named it for him. I can still see no connection.

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