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MetroTexan today.

Casserly made the announcement last night. As most of us understood, the Texans don't need a quarterback, therefore no Vince Young. VY will now look toward Tennessee, but as Red mentioned in another thread, the UT that Titan fans are interested in is the University of Tennessee, I'm not sure the Titans or their fans are interested in taking VY over Matt Leinart.

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MetroTexan today.

Casserly made the announcement last night. As most of us understood, the Texans don't need a quarterback, therefore no Vince Young. VY will now look toward Tennessee, but as Red mentioned in another thread, the UT that Titan fans are interested in is the University of Tennessee, I'm not sure the Titans or their fans are interested in taking VY over Matt Leinart.

Fisher went to USC. I can't see him taking VY over Leinhart (but I think both will be successful in the future). I'm convinced VY's gonna be a Packer. Green Bay will need a standout quarterback after Farve leaves, which should be in a year or two from now.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3828229.html

I'm disappointed. According to the Chronicle, Mario Williams will be drafted. Apparently, our offense needs no help <_<

I had to confirm the report. ESPN's saying the same thing with breaking news...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003

(Turns out Houstonsemipro was right. +3500 Cool-Point-Bonus courtesy of the DJ)

U heard it first...

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3828229.html

I'm disappointed. According to the Chronicle, Mario Williams will be drafted. Apparently, our offense needs no help <_<

I had to confirm the report. ESPN's saying the same thing with breaking news...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003

(Turns out Houstonsemipro was right. +3500 Cool-Point-Bonus courtesy of the DJ)

U heard it first...

As a season ticket holder, this makes me so angry. You don't take Sam Bowie when Michael Jordan is on the board. At least now I know what the VY lovers feel like.

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Another losing season for the Texans.

You know, looking at their defense and having Antwaan Peek, Anthony Weaver, AND Mario Willams all rushing the defensive QB, it looks like the most dangerous defensive line in the NFL on paper.

If the Texans don't make a lucky offensive pick-up in the second round, though, I think you're right.

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Mix stupid management with a stupid Aggie HC...and you get a STUPID...STUPID...STUPID waste of a golden opportunity. Season Tickets...CANCELLED.

Idiots are running this team like George W Bush runs this country, (i.e. no freekin' common sense whatsoever)

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Equivalent to having a winning Powerball Lotto ticket....IN HAND --- Then risking it all in Vegas.

So maybe Super Mario will be good. Lets wait and see.

I've been 'waiting & seeing' nothing but crap from the Houston Texans since the get go. This goes beyond all common sense. $54 Million on a player who was good, but NOT REMARKABLE...from an unremarkable team who had an unremarkable season.

When in doubt...go with the winners. There's an intangible quality about players like Vince Young, Reggie Bush, or Matt Leinart. Not only are they phenoms, they know how to win. They know what its like to put a team on their shoulders and carry that team to glory.

The Houston Texans, I'm afraid, won't be experiencing any glory --- anytime soon.

What a shame.

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Maybe Mario can be like this guy.

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Mario and Julius are both from the same state, and were both not thought of as potentially great players. But look at Julius, how many Pro Bowl's has he went to? He also came to a Super Bowl here. Williams could end up like him. Lets hope.

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This could turn out to be the worst Number 1 Houston pick since the Rockets picked Hakeem Olajuwan instead of Michael Jordan.

:lol::lol::lol: , yeah we really screwed ourselves on that one. NOT ! Rockets would have had to have Pippen also, and what were the odds on that ?

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Wow, I got a lot to resond to :) ...so here we go...

DJ, where is MY 2600 super cool points for making the call on Vince Young ? I know that P.O.S. Butt Adams, he claims to have done it just to piss off the Houston fans. LOL ! What a TURD !

2225 Cool Points awarded to TJones. 2600 requested was acknowledged, however we needed to take into account that Steve McNair is a close friend and mentor to Vince Young already, and Jeff Fisher saw that. Also remember that i did say that Vince Young would most flourish in the NFL if he were drafted by the Titans because of the players and staff he would be working with, including McNair...

This could turn out to be the worst Number 1 Houston pick since the Rockets picked Hakeem Olajuwan instead of Michael Jordan.

Technically, Hakeem would be Vince Young, and Micheal would be Bush. Hakeem wasn't a bad pick. He still was an MVP, a UH prospect, and we won two championships with him as the star of the team. If we never won those championships, and he was never MVP, I'd say it was a bust. But we got what we wanted to get....

Thats really crazy! The Texans are going to be the joke around the nation for a while! Why would they do something that crazy???? It doesn't make since!

The Texans will not be the joke of the nation if Mario Williams has a better season than Bush and Young in terms of impact for their team. What I don't understand is why we didn't just trade down the draft and still draft Mario Williams. We could have gotten much more out of the draft...

Must vent....

Texans blew it.

Too soon, man. What if the Texans make the playoffs with this team? That's very possible when you look at their defense on paper. The Texans could use WR or OL help at this time though, and perhaps there's a chance that they do just that in the 3rd round.

Defensive-Ends don't win games. They might slow down the drive, but they don't win games.

Defensive Ends don't win games alone, but defense wins games. You last a lot longer in a fist-fight if you know how to protect yourself...

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How many Pro Bowl wide receivers does a team need? The Texans already have 2. Their needs are defense and OL.

Young going to the Titans might not be as good a deal as you think. McNair is about to get dumped, and Fisher might, too. Young has a lot to learn, and if he gets thrown in the mix his rookie year, he'll get creamed. He'll have a much better chance if he can be a backup for a couple of years.

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How many Pro Bowl wide receivers does a team need? The Texans already have 2. Their needs are defense and OL.

Young going to the Titans might not be as good a deal as you think. McNair is about to get dumped, and Fisher might, too. Young has a lot to learn, and if he gets thrown in the mix his rookie year, he'll get creamed. He'll have a much better chance if he can be a backup for a couple of years.

Leinhart's the luckiest QB in the draft for sure.

I agree that that the Texans' defense needs help, but we already furfulled many of those needs before the draft. When are we going to draft some OL? You're right about the WR thing.

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How many Pro Bowl wide receivers does a team need? The Texans already have 2. Their needs are defense and OL.

Young going to the Titans might not be as good a deal as you think. McNair is about to get dumped, and Fisher might, too. Young has a lot to learn, and if he gets thrown in the mix his rookie year, he'll get creamed. He'll have a much better chance if he can be a backup for a couple of years.

What? Fisher is probably a top 10 coach in the NFL. McNair is being dumped because of salary cap concerns. Young does have a lot to learn and I did agree with the Texans bypassing him, but calling him out because the Texans blew their pick doesn't make any sense. I think Bud wanted Vince more than Fisher and Floyd Reese, but the Titans had a much better day 1 than the Texans. Young and Lendale White in day 1? Meanwhile Team idiot proceeded to pick more Babin's that are fun to call smart picks.

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Well, gang, you all know more about this stuff than I do, but from what I understand, it's sort of like counting on Roy Oswalt for homeruns. Fab player, but not for homers. But just maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised come the new season and everyone will be saying, "Reggie who?". Maybe. I hope.

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Well, gang, you all know more about this stuff than I do, but from what I understand, it's sort of like counting on Roy Oswalt for homeruns. Fab player, but not for homers. But just maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised come the new season and everyone will be saying, "Reggie who?". Maybe. I hope.

We could always trade for Reggie Bush near season's end and give up our 1st and 2nd round draft picks in 2007, right? :)

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Technically, Hakeem would be Vince Young, and Micheal would be Bush. Hakeem wasn't a bad pick. He still was an MVP, a UH prospect, and we won two championships with him as the star of the team. If we never won those championships, and he was never MVP, I'd say it was a bust. But we got what we wanted to get....

I wouldn't go as far as saying that w/out the championships or MVP's, it was a BUST. However, I will remind everyone here that the only reason the Hakeem and the Rockets got those championships was b/c Jordan was playing baseball those 2 years.

btw: The Texans organization messed this one up. . .any way you slice it!

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I wouldn't go as far as saying that w/out the championships or MVP's, it was a BUST. However, I will remind everyone here that the only reason the Hakeem and the Rockets got those championships was b/c Jordan was playing baseball those 2 years.

btw: The Texans organization messed this one up. . .any way you slice it!

Not true. Even if Jordan were with the Bulls, we would've beaten them. Hell, Jordan was playing with the Bulls during the playoffs when we won the second season. Jordan was a great player because he had great teammates and great coaches to complement his talent. Jordan probably wouldn't have brought a championship to Houston with Don Cheney as coach. Phil Jackson deserves credit where it's due.

The Texans did a good job with the draft. I was a Bush supporter because I've seen his talent on tv many times. I never watched Williams, but we've all heard what he can do defensively, and his talents perfectly fit the Texans' weaknesses. They were the worst team in the NFL last year in defense against the rush, and 24th against the pass, and we've now signed two or three star pass rushers to turn us from the worst defense to possibly the best overnight. We also got two steals in terms of offensive linemen to protect Carr. If they do their job, Carr will excel. And if Carr didn't come through, he wouldn't have an excuse.

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However, I will remind everyone here that the only reason the Hakeem and the Rockets got those championships was b/c Jordan was playing baseball those 2 years.

Most definitely. 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98. He didn't come back until 3/18 and that was too late to get into prime shape for the playoffs. That was obvious from even his first game back, which he'd have loved to make a 50 point game.

Jason

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Most definitely. 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98. He didn't come back until 3/18 and that was too late to get into prime shape for the playoffs. That was obvious from even his first game back, which he'd have loved to make a 50 point game.

Jason

Not true. The Rockets had one of the best, if not the best, records against the Jordan led Bulls during Jordan's tenure. The Rockets surely would've beat a Jordan led Bull team in the NBA Finals. No doubt in my mind.

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Not true. The Rockets had one of the best, if not the best, records against the Jordan led Bulls during Jordan's tenure. The Rockets surely would've beat a Jordan led Bull team in the NBA Finals. No doubt in my mind.

The consensus in the rest of the country is the Rockets would not have gotten the titles. The consensus inside Houston is the opposite. No surprise then that you have no doubts. I have little doubt that if the Rockets had won the first championship Jordan would have trained so hard the next off season he'd have slain the Rockets by himself.

Jason

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The consensus in the rest of the country is the Rockets would not have gotten the titles. The consensus inside Houston is the opposite. No surprise then that you have no doubts. I have little doubt that if the Rockets had won the first championship Jordan would have trained so hard the next off season he'd have slain the Rockets by himself.

Jason

I guess by the rest of the country you mean Dallass/Ft.Worthless. Jordan trained so hard to come back because he embarrassed himself trying to play baseball, so he wanted to make sure his skills were intact, and again, he can't win without Pippen. There still would have been no domination either, because they wouldn't have been able to get by Shaq and Hardaway. :P

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The consensus in the rest of the country is the Rockets would not have gotten the titles. The consensus inside Houston is the opposite. No surprise then that you have no doubts. I have little doubt that if the Rockets had won the first championship Jordan would have trained so hard the next off season he'd have slain the Rockets by himself.

Jason

The consensus in the rest of the country? C'mon, man. The country was dissing Houston left and right between 93-95. You don't remember? Vernon Maxwell running into the stands (no Artest, you're not the first)? Houston not getting a national Sports Illustrated cover after we beat the Knicks in the Finals? The NYC "Hellhole" title? The "Choke City" title? I can go on and on. No one outside the state and with no Texas blood predicted or supported the Rockets to a championship. Hell, the Astros STILL didn't get the respect the Red Sox got when they won the Pennant (not talking about the World Series; I'm talking about the NLCS).

The Rockets were the only team capable of beating the Bulls with Jordan on it those two years. And he was in the playoffs the second run. Just because he wasn't "100%" should not mean those championships of ours deserve an asterioks.

Houston sports will be respected only if the Texans win three Super Bowls in a row...

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I guess by the rest of the country you mean Dallass/Ft.Worthless.

You guessed wrong. When I had formed that opinion and viewed it elsewhere, it was around the time of 95/96 season and I had never stepped foot in "Dallass/Ft.Worthless."

And by the way Lawrence, I don't think the Rockets deserve asterisks. They were the best team in the league those two years. Someone just brought up that "what if" scenario that I commented on.

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You guessed wrong. When I had formed that opinion and viewed it elsewhere, it was around the time of 95/96 season and I had never stepped foot in "Dallass/Ft.Worthless."

And by the way Lawrence, I don't think the Rockets deserve asterisks. They were the best team in the league those two years. Someone just brought up that "what if" scenario that I commented on.

Jason

I gotcha. They weren't the best team in terms of regular season record, but they were back-against-the-wall champs. Thay was nerve-racking, but fun to watch:)

Yo, I don't mean to tick off the admin, but I'd like to ask the question... Houston or Dallas? I mean, who will make it to the playoffs and go deeper into them this season? Cowboys or Texans? Dallas gets T.O., and we get Mario Williams. They got Parcells and we got Kubiak. Who will be the better Texas team this year?

I say Texans.

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This could turn out to be the worst Number 1 Houston pick since the Rockets picked Hakeem Olajuwan instead of Michael Jordan.

First of all, Hakeem won 2 tiltles last time I checked, and did it with mainly CBA'ers. Not to bad in my book.

Secondly, as someone who played football from elementary through college, I can tell you that this is not a bad pick.

My reasoning... The Texans were last in the NFL in defense last year, while there running game on offense was very respectable. Bring in Kubiac who arguably is one of the best run coaches in years, and the fact that in Denver, Kubiac had consistantly put out great running attacks regardless of who he handed the ball to.

Mario is a major horse, so let's sit back and see how the W's start stacking up.

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Mavericks!!!

Aie dawg, aie :angry2::lol:

Texans or Cowboys? Let the Mavs do their thang. :) It's either them or the Spurs taking it all this year...

First of all, Hakeem won 2 tiltles last time I checked, and did it with mainly CBA'ers. Not to bad in my book.

Secondly, as someone who played football from elementary through college, I can tell you that this is not a bad pick.

My reasoning... The Texans were last in the NFL in defense last year, while there running game on offense was very respectable. Bring in Kubiac who arguably is one of the best run coaches in years, and the fact that in Denver, Kubiac had consistantly put out great running attacks regardless of who he handed the ball to.

Mario is a major horse, so let's sit back and see how the W's start stacking up.

Agree 100%. I was all Bush at first, but after I saw what the team needed, I couldn't agree with you more.

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Aie dawg, aie :angry2::lol:

Texans or Cowboys? Let the Mavs do their thang. :) It's either them or the Spurs taking it all this year...

Agree 100%. I was all Bush at first, but after I saw what the team needed, I couldn't agree with you more.

Yeah, it's true that the Texans' defense sucks. However, with Bush in the organization's hand, the Texans could have traded for two to three defensive players and probably a 1st round draft pick next year.

I don't expect many here to understand that, though. . .In my opinion (strictly my opinion) Dallas is a sports town with franchises that strive for championship status. Houston is a town satisfied with hosting other cities' championship franchises. [ many HAIF2 forumer's blood boils right about now]

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I don't expect many here to understand that, though. . .In my opinion (strictly my opinion) Dallas is a sports town with franchises that strive for championship status. Houston is a town satisfied with hosting other cities' championship franchises. [ many HAIF2 forumer's blood boils right about now]

You sound awfully goofy, given the fact neither the Mavs nor the Rangers have even so much as played for a championship in their history. The Cowboys are an epic franchise, granted, and the Stars have their one championship a year or so after moving from Minneapolis. Still, this hardly makes you the grand puba of championship trophees.

Astros history > Rangers history

Rockets history > Mavericks history

Cowboys history > Oilers/Texans history

Stars history > N/A

Aeros history > N/A

Comets history > N/A

None of this, however, has anything to do with the Bush/Williams pick. The Saints are to be congratulated for picking up such a prominent, talented and identifiable player. By adding Bush, they now have three running backs, whom they'll be paying a combined $50 million or so to over the next few years unless they cut Deuce McCallister (a pro bowl back).

Meanwhile, their secondary and linebacking corp is still a trainwreck, the OL lacks depth (as well as any forseeable pro bowlers) and they're left to hope that their signing of a couple of FAs will help.

Bush is an excellent back and, barring injury or just plain goofiness by the coaching staff, should do tremendously. However, you don't win championships with "Gale Sayers" by himself. You need a championship caliber team in the trenches (that is, the OL and DL).

Bush seems like a no-brainer because of his open field ability but you don't get into the open field if you don't have quality blocking. And you don't win many games if you can't stop anyone. The Texans made a significant step in improving their pass rush as well as their OL. They'll need to continue to address it next season as well.

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Yeah, it's true that the Texans' defense sucks. However, with Bush in the organization's hand, the Texans could have traded for two to three defensive players and probably a 1st round draft pick next year.

I don't expect many here to understand that, though. . .In my opinion (strictly my opinion) Dallas is a sports town with franchises that strive for championship status. Houston is a town satisfied with hosting other cities' championship franchises. [ many HAIF2 forumer's blood boils right about now]

Geeez, talk about destroying your credibility quick.

Rockets: 4 championship appearances- 2 championships.

Astro's" 9 playoff appearances-1 World Series birth.

Comets: 4 championships in a row.

Oiler's: 3 consecutive and 7 consecutive playoff appearances, and a marketing machine (Luv Ya Blue) that was unsurpassed. Also a 1961 championship trophy with George Blanda.

Texans: Beat the Cowboys in there first recorded game. The reason I mention this is that the team (Texans) played with such heart, Houston has to considered a great football city.

Also regarding your post, Houston fans have long been known for there volume during sporting events, ie the dome or Minute maid. You know the place that MLB made us take the roof off because the noise was so distracting. Houston is a great sports city that I've had the privilege to be a part of.

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First of all, Hakeem won 2 tiltles last time I checked, and did it with mainly CBA'ers. Not to bad in my book.

Secondly, as someone who played football from elementary through college, I can tell you that this is not a bad pick.

My reasoning... The Texans were last in the NFL in defense last year, while there running game on offense was very respectable. Bring in Kubiac who arguably is one of the best run coaches in years, and the fact that in Denver, Kubiac had consistantly put out great running attacks regardless of who he handed the ball to.

Mario is a major horse, so let's sit back and see how the W's start stacking up.

Gary, that was exactly my point. Even though Jordan is considered the best to play the game, the Rockets did just fine with a workhorse like Hakeem.

Story from The Sporting News, who apparently were allowed access to the Texans offices to watch this unfold.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=88233

Other than UT fans, who know everything about anything, no one will know how good or bad this pick is for several years. I am, however, impressed that the team made the decision for what's best for the team, as opposed to what the fans wanted.

Question for 713/214 - I realize that Dallas is the greatest sports town ever. So, can you explain for me why the Cowboys could not sell out their last home game, when a win would have gotten them into the playoffs?

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