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I continue to be the resident skeptic on Greenspoint. If they couldn't significantly reposition it, (heavy emphasis on significantly), with the recent whole "Cityview" deal, then what would create a renaissance? You can't say they haven't tried. They've had the Management District, the gutting and rehabbing of almost the entire apartment district complete with elaborate marketing campaigns to attract more upscale clientele, landscaping, parks & other upgrades. They've done about everything you could do. Yet still it is what it is. Woodlands, Willowbrook & Deerbrook have taken much of the original clientele base going north, and once Northline gets a Gulfgate style rehab, it will probably have at least some level of drawing power against GP, certainly more than it has now anyway. That will create a new competitor, albeit a small one, that hasn't been in the equation before.

There was talk at one point of Greenspoint becoming some sort of convention type facility. I have no idea how viable that would be. I will not be surprised to see it reinvented into some other use, possibly like they did with Westwood. I could easily turn out to be wrong on this one, but I bet I'm not.

But none of that "Cityview deal, the Management District, the gutting and rehabbing of almost the entire apartment district complete with elaborate marketing campaigns, landscaping parks and other upgrades" did anything to upgrade, rehab or reposition Greenspoint Mall. In fact, you can say they have not tried to reposition the mall, because in fact nothing has been attempted at the mall prior to this.

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Very good Kimosabe. Nice observation that I may NOT be using HPD numbers based upon their beats. See I was talking about zip codes, people move into zip codes not police beats. If one has any modicum of intelligence they check these things out through what, yes a realtor, not a cop shop. When one checks for themselves or though a realtor they can get all of the information about their prospective neighborhood.

Things like school district ratings, income, community make up, crime etc. You know all of the things that make up the community.

Tip of the day: Check out Gunspoints zip codes stats vs. say, Humble, that's it; Humble and you'll see a different picture (it may not be the one HPD wants you to see).

Where do you suppose the realtors get their crime statistics?

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Where do you suppose the realtors get their crime statistics?

The source is a compilation that includes The U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey as well as the FBI reported crime statistics. The use of just one source has proven to be grossly under reporting of actual crimes and incidents.

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The source is a compilation that includes The U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey as well as the FBI reported crime statistics. The use of just one source has proven to be grossly under reporting of actual crimes and incidents.

Any chance you could give us a link so we could see the realtor crime statistics?

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Back in the early 1980's the body count coming out of the Gunspoint area was tremendous. There was even a cop kidnapped and later found burned to death in her vehicle. Then it was over run with gangs not shoppers, heck there was more stealing than buying. Needless to say after that reputation got foothold it was down hill from there. Hence the big public relations campaign in the media to change the image. I chuckle everytime I hear it. Like I would want to shop in Watts. Heck the only reason anyone from the outside came there to shop was there was no other place to shop. (1980's)

Actually it was the early '90's; it wasn't that long ago. In the early '80's, Greenspoint was a model of what a suburban mall should be. It was beautiful and had great anchor stores. The beginning of the end was the closing of Montgomery Wards in 1991 or so and the kidnapping of that HC Sherrif's Deputy. After that, they begin to lose other stores. Dillard's converted their store to an outlet. The Woodland's mall opened and the rest is history.

People in the city tend to prefer shorter distances; exurb residents are accustomed to their 45-minute drives. ;)

I hear a large proportion of crimes in the Greenspoint area are vehicle-related. At least that makes one feel a bit safer, biologically.

Actually my experience has been different. Those I know who live in Clear Lake, Friendswood, Katy, The Woodlands, Kingwood, etc. hate driving into town. They like shopping, recreating near their homes. If the arenas/stadiums/theatres wern't downtown, they'd probably never make the trip.

Inner city dwellers tend to be ready to drive to any suburban mall, pavillion, theme park, restaurant, etc.

Just my experience . . . . .

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Actually my experience has been different. Those I know who live in Clear Lake, Friendswood, Katy, The Woodlands, Kingwood, etc. hate driving into town. They like shopping, recreating near their homes. If the arenas/stadiums/theatres wern't downtown, they'd probably never make the trip.

Inner city dwellers tend to be ready to drive to any suburban mall, pavillion, theme park, restaurant, etc.

Just my experience . . . . .

I don't know where your experience comes from, but every one of my friends and I brag about never leaving the loop. When I lived in The Woodlands, I routinely drove 2,000 miles per month. Now, in the Heights, I rarely put more than 500 miles per month on my car. I haven't been to a suburban mall since I moved into town 7 years ago, including Greenspoint.

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I don't know where your experience comes from, but every one of my friends and I brag about never leaving the loop. When I lived in The Woodlands, I routinely drove 2,000 miles per month. Now, in the Heights, I rarely put more than 500 miles per month on my car. I haven't been to a suburban mall since I moved into town 7 years ago, including Greenspoint.

How old are your children?

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First time to post here.

I don't see any upside to preserving Greenspoint Mall, the stigma won't go away - not to mention the saturation of other malls within close proximity like Deerbrook, Willowbrook and Woodlands malls. I lived in the area for several years, worked at several shops in the mall, and had seen the decay advance over the years.

The place needs to be razed, along with about half of the low-rent apartments in the area. The city should visit the idea zoning it for additional office/warehouse/commercial properties in its stead.

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I think Greenspoint has tremendous upside. After going downhill in the 90s and becoming a low-income area, it still looks great. It's a surivor, for sure. I don't know what it is about Greenspoint. The planning is very good, much like with Westchase. Streets look nice, the landscaping looks nice, infrastructure nice, and the buildings are quite beautiful to look at either at night up close or from the freeways around it. The mall would be great if they just renovated it, thus making people feel more comfortable shopping there who live in or outside of Greenspoint in those areas around Kuykendahl south of 1960. There are several new neighborhoods going in there, and GP Mall is the most convenient. The home prices are around 120 to 150k as Bachanon stated.

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I don't know where your experience comes from, but every one of my friends and I brag about never leaving the loop. When I lived in The Woodlands, I routinely drove 2,000 miles per month. Now, in the Heights, I rarely put more than 500 miles per month on my car. I haven't been to a suburban mall since I moved into town 7 years ago, including Greenspoint.

All I know is that when it is close to a hundred degrees outside, and you are bored out of your gourd at home watching your baby all day long--an airconditioned mall is a nice place to go. When we lived in Garden Oaks, we hung out at Memorial City Mall pretty often. Lots of moms from the Heights sought refuge there as well.

We live in Fall Creek now, so it would be great if Greenspoint were renovated, because it is just down the road from us. But I probably wouldn't shop there too much until it got cooler. I much prefer the open-air "town-center" concept, but in August, the mall is the way to go! I wish Deerbrook would get a redo like Memorial City, but it is not too bad.

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FWIW, HPD records show that the population in Greenspoint has grown 48 percent since 1991, and the rate of major crimes has dropped 42 percent.

Of course, these are statistics and are subject to the bias of those who compile them. What they categorize as a "major" crime may have changed since 1991. They could be accurate, but . . . .

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Sears is closing at Greenspoint in May 2010.

And I thought Greenspoint was going back uphill. sad.gif

It's a bad time to be a mall. Especially one that was already struggling.

I work just down the street from the mall, and I wish it were better. I have shopped at Macy's, but the mall interior struck me as underlit and depressing (I haven't been in it for about a year, though--it may have improved).

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It's a bad time to be a mall. Especially one that was already struggling.

I work just down the street from the mall, and I wish it were better. I have shopped at Macy's, but the mall interior struck me as underlit and depressing (I haven't been in it for about a year, though--it may have improved).

The mall has not changed much in the past year with the exception of a few store changes and the upcoming closure of the Sears location. My blog at http://southernretail.blogspot.com/ has pictures and information from Greenspoint and other malls in Texas and Louisiana.

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The mall has not changed much in the past year with the exception of a few store changes and the upcoming closure of the Sears location. My blog at http://southernretail.blogspot.com/ has pictures and information from Greenspoint and other malls in Texas and Louisiana.

Greenspoint Mall is still slated for MEGA Renovation. Here is a Channel 11 story on Greenspoint and Sharpstown. Worth the watch..

http://www.khou.com/news/Mall-Makeovers--Struggling-malls-to-revamp-to-boost-business--87549042.html

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Construction of a new movie theater at Greenspoint Mall has begun. Original plans called for the addition of a 20-screen movie theater at the site of the vacant JCPenny store. Demolition crews began tearing down part of the building this morning. Mall management has confirmed that Premiere Cinema has started construction. The new theater was to be part of a $32-million face-lift that would also include a plaza and new restaurants and stores. We’ll keep you posted when we learn more.

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http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=5326951&id=279231934047

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I truly miss the Greenspoint Mall. It was the best up until the early 90s. Premier Cinemas has a history of setting up theatres in ghetto areas (Baytown and Sharpstown). I am sure this is an untapped market who frequent the movies. However, will they serve bullet proof vests at the concessions or glasses that will let you see the screen from the audience texting on their cell phones? Manners are just totally absent when it comes to movie going. If it is not the youth with their cell phones, it's the elderly as they narriate what is happening on the screen.

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Construction of a new movie theater at Greenspoint Mall has begun. Original plans called for the addition of a 20-screen movie theater at the site of the vacant JCPenny store. Demolition crews began tearing down part of the building this morning. Mall management has confirmed that Premiere Cinema has started construction. The new theater was to be part of a $32-million face-lift that would also include a plaza and new restaurants and stores. We’ll keep you posted when we learn more.

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http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=5326951&id=279231934047

Having a flashback of Magic theater at Northline Mall back in '97. Hope nobody gets killed this time and that the theater doesn't die a slow painful death like Magic did.

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I truly miss the Greenspoint Mall. It was the best up until the early 90s. Premier Cinemas has a history of setting up theatres in ghetto areas (Baytown and Sharpstown). I am sure this is an untapped market who frequent the movies. However, will they serve bullet proof vests at the concessions or glasses that will let you see the screen from the audience texting on their cell phones? Manners are just totally absent when it comes to movie going. If it is not the youth with their cell phones, it's the elderly as they narriate what is happening on the screen.

This is why I never ever go to the movies.

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