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I’ve noticed a new tag around Houston in the last few months. They are simple tags with the letters “GY.” They do not seem to be done by anyone with any particular talent and are more often than not just black lines on a wall, or the base of a stoplight. This makes me think that they are a new gang tag. They have been showing up in the Montrose and Museum districts and down Richmond towards the Galleria. I was wondering if they might have been transplanted from New Orleans. Does anyone know anything about this?

mentioned this fella earlier in the taft/w. gray thread:

http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/i...indpost&p=60075

i believe "GY"/graveyard, is one person who primarily tags in 4th ward,

downton & montrose. modern tagging is not all gang related. i actually

see fellas around 6:30am off of w. alabama tagging along the street in

full view. the new thing is for fellas to actually include the time the tag

was made, which is sort of silly.

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I hope prosecutors use this information at sentencing hearings.

well, i think its silly partly because it seems that patrolling

would be increased, since indeed, many tags are made

around the same time.

the area i am talking about is where i ride my bike to

work daily and i have yet to see any increase in (or

presence of) patrolling, even as the tagging has

increased exponentially in that area.

yet, they do seem to post citations on the empty

buildings that are tagged in quite a hurry...

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yet, they do seem to post citations on the empty

buildings that are tagged in quite a hurry...

increased patrolling for graffiti probably ain't gonna happen, it seems like it's easier for the city to post citations on the buildings rather than the taggers!

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I've seen an actual full name tag of "GRAVEYARD'S" with a couple of tombstones and such , not just a "GY", right around Montrose and Dallas, by an entrance to a dwelling on the fence facing the street. I was wondering the significance of it. I think I know now.

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GY does stand for graveyard. Its the name of their crew, its not one person. GY was started by Yano, Meat and Verb as a merger between 2 crews, Yano's RTL, and Meat and Verbs DTS. Now GY is Bones, Abel, Lingo, Epic, Germ, and a few others. And no, none of them are black refugees from New Orleans you rumor monger.

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GY does stand for graveyard. Its the name of their crew, its not one person. GY was started by Yano, Meat and Verb as a merger between 2 crews, Yano's RTL, and Meat and Verbs DTS. Now GY is Bones, Abel, Lingo, Epic, Germ, and a few others.

I'd love to put a cap in all of their helmets.

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increased patrolling for graffiti probably ain't gonna happen, it seems like it's easier for the city to post citations on the buildings rather than the taggers!

Part of the problem is that taggers have to be caught in the act, and they work quickly.

We have a law on the books preventing people from carrying open containers of alcohol, which is supposed to cut down on public intoxication and drunk driving. We even have a law in Texas preventing people from carrying wire cutters (left over from the days when free-range cattlemen battled ranchers.) So why not pass an ordinace against carrying spray paint?

I can think of no good reason why anyone should be toting around five cans of spray paint at three o'clock in the morning. Perhaps the threat of fines or jail time would discourage people from doing so.

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All they are missing is the "A".

Before Katrina, in all the areas I fuss about ... in the loop around Montrose they were tagged with yar

I saw that one from montrose down to allen parkway and down on yes ...Tremont Tower and there is more now behind wendys and one the back corner of Tremont towers since they got it all off the westhiemer side. I have seen more, but Yar seems to not be around anymore?

Some of them are really talented, I just wish they could find a construcitve use for it.

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Before Katrina, in all the areas I fuss about ... in the loop around Montrose they were tagged with yar

I saw that one from montrose down to allen parkway and down on yes ...Tremont Tower and there is more now behind wendys and one the back corner of Tremont towers since they got it all off the westhiemer side. I have seen more, but Yar seems to not be around anymore?

Some of them are really talented, I just wish they could find a construcitve use for it.

GY was around before katrina... seems like it was mostly "meat" & "verb" in my area.

when they paint over things with grey its just a new canvas for the next round.

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GY does stand for graveyard. Its the name of their crew, its not one person. GY was started by Yano, Meat and Verb as a merger between 2 crews, Yano's RTL, and Meat and Verbs DTS. Now GY is Bones, Abel, Lingo, Epic, Germ, and a few others. And no, none of them are black refugees from New Orleans you rumor monger.

RESPECT TO THE OPPRESSED ARTISTS!

keep on keepin on, give this town REAL culture

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RESPECT TO THE OPPRESSED ARTISTS!

keep on keepin on, give this town REAL culture

That's what I'm talkin bout. Taggin ruining the city? Nah, C.O.H. ruinin the city by buffin all the taggin! So L.A. and New York don't have any taggin right? Makes our city look lame with no urban culture. . .

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RESPECT TO THE OPPRESSED ARTISTS!

keep on keepin on, give this town REAL culture

That's what I'm talkin bout. Taggin ruining the city? Nah, C.O.H. ruinin the city by buffin all the taggin! So L.A. and New York don't have any taggin right? Makes our city look lame with no urban culture. . .

A valid point...about thirty years ago!

Graffiti-as-an-art-form appeared about the same time as Jheri Curls and "Welcome Back Kotter". It reached its peak a good twenty years ago with Basquiat and Hering. They're dead, you know.

What's tired is Verb and KY (or whatever their names are) thinking that they're "urban" or "fresh". It's as much an embarrassment as Rappin' Granny.

Gee, maybe we should applaud people who litter or let their dogs crap on the sidewalk. "Keepin' it real..." :wacko:

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A valid point...about thirty years ago!

Graffiti-as-an-art-form appeared about the same time as Jheri Curls and "Welcome Back Kotter". It reached its peak a good twenty years ago with Basquiat and Hering. They're dead, you know.

What's tired is Verb and KY (or whatever their names are) thinking that they're "urban" or "fresh". It's as much an embarrassment as Rappin' Granny.

Gee, maybe we should applaud people who litter or let their dogs crap on the sidewalk. "Keepin' it real..." :wacko:

If the extent of ur knowledge on taggin is basquiat (thanks 2 mfah) and the extent of ur knowledge on urban culture is the word "fresh", that explains ur ignorant OPINION on the subject. . .

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A valid point...about thirty years ago!

Graffiti-as-an-art-form appeared about the same time as Jheri Curls and "Welcome Back Kotter". It reached its peak a good twenty years ago with Basquiat and Hering. They're dead, you know.

What's tired is Verb and KY (or whatever their names are) thinking that they're "urban" or "fresh". It's as much an embarrassment as Rappin' Granny.

these younger fellas wern't around then --- and if so, they

were too young. part of that familiar cycle -- not to mention

if those artists did get their start that way, why is it surprising

that other folks would find that tempting... what does the fact

that they are dead enter in?

personally, i am mostly upset when something is tagged/

wheatpasted on personal property.

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dbigtex56 makes a valid point

http://www.crispinsartwell.com/graff.htm

that is a very stately article but i don’t think that most people tagging are really delving that deeply into it. i've known some folks who just have the urge to do tag. some just want to see their "name" on everything, some get really artistic about it by incorporating elements of a site into an odd creature of some sort and some are trying to post a commentary of some sort --- political or otherwise.

i can't really see ant of them thinking -- "basquiat has already explored this facet of work" or" wow, this is so 80's" --- the few of these fellas i do know are college aged, educated people.

there are numerous websites that catalogue their work and it is usually by people that don't know the person making them --- they just like photographing the new tags that pop up.

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i think it is less that tagging is dead, and more that the taggers do not produce aesthetically pleasing things in houston anymore (local examples spoken of are trite-ish scribble in most cases, save the knitting ^_^ )

Ill give u that but there's a reason for that. The taggin yall see is called bombin'. That's all about gettin' up. As many spots as u can hit, done as fast as u can so u don't get caught. But these same dudes can do pieces I've seen in their notebooks and on legal walls thatll blow ur mind. . .

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Ill give u that but there's a reason for that. The taggin yall see is called bombin'. That's all about gettin' up. As many spots as u can hit, done as fast as u can so u don't get caught. But these same dudes can do pieces I've seen in their notebooks and on legal walls thatll blow ur mind. . .

Then they ought to be doing something with their talent besides "bombin", which is just an ego-thrill/rush that 99% of Houston wishes wasn't there.

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Ill give u that but there's a reason for that. The taggin yall see is called bombin'. That's all about gettin' up. As many spots as u can hit, done as fast as u can so u don't get caught. But these same dudes can do pieces I've seen in their notebooks and on legal walls thatll blow ur mind. . .

And that's the part I have a problem with.

I'm not doubting that some people use graffiti techniques in the creation of good art. It's the idea that the motivation is the thrill of getting away with something - of violating others' rights.

Did Winona Ryder have to steal those clothes from a Beverly Hills boutique? No. She could easily have bought them. Instead she did it for the rush - and that makes her a crook. Is it OK to set up hidden cameras in locker rooms and take pictures of unsuspecting people? No, because the thrill comes from violating other people's expectation of privacy. Is it OK to sexually assault children, or to slip date rape drugs into someone's drink? No, because it's for the thrill of violating others to make oneself more powerful. And is it ok to vandalize other people's property just for the thrill of getting away with it? NO. Calling it art is no excuse. Otherwise we'd have to forgive shoplifters, child molesters, peeping Toms and rapists, because they're "expressing themselves artistically".

That's why I'll continue to view graffiti as an act of aggression, performed by cowardly people.

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Ill give u that but there's a reason for that. The taggin yall see is called bombin'. That's all about gettin' up. As many spots as u can hit, done as fast as u can so u don't get caught. But these same dudes can do pieces I've seen in their notebooks and on legal walls thatll blow ur mind. . .

there are galleries in houston which have graffiti based shows, like aerosol warfare. wouldn't that be better than getting picked up for scrawling their initials on someone's fence, while there are these more grand artistic ideas waiting to be let out of their sketchbooks?

77017 -- so do these fellas have anywhere they won't bomb? somehow, i can handle folks tagging signal boxes and dumpsters much more than the side of someone's house or the front of an apartment complex... seems very frivolous and selfish to use someone's home as a hit --- i'm not sure what to call it.

so afterward how is bombing seen by the other folks who do it? they drive through and figure they need to outdo the other fella(s) or what?

i find this quite interesting, as its a layer of urban culture that affects everyone on this forum whether we agree with it or not.

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It's art. but not all of it.

GY has been around for a bit, it's not new.

it's not from New Orleans.

GY and BK get up the most. They are well respected.

Do not knock writing if you haven't lived the subculture.

I do not condone writing on businesses and on cars, but anything else

is free game and it makes Houston diverse.

New crews that have no skill are just a bunch of toys and should go back to

the drawing board and practice before they try to get up.

No, I do not write. but I am an artist and appreciate new age expression of artistic skill.

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It's art. but not all of it.

GY has been around for a bit, it's not new.

it's not from New Orleans.

GY and BK get up the most. They are well respected.

Do not knock writing if you haven't lived the subculture.

I do not condone writing on businesses and on cars, but anything else

is free game and it makes Houston diverse.

New crews that have no skill are just a bunch of toys and should go back to

the drawing board and practice before they try to get up.

No, I do not write. but I am an artist and appreciate new age expression of artistic skill.

Art? Spray painting initials? They're kidding themselves if they think that's art. I'd rather have kindergarteners paint up the freeways. The new 59 freeway section is already a work of art. The idiots who are painting on it need to put the crack pipe down and see that their additions are nothing but ugly.

These people are not artists dabbling in criminal behavior but criminals dabbling in art. Another subculture exists inside the county jail.

I suppose one could argue that they have their place in a "diverse, urban, multi-cultural", or whatever the current adjective is for excusing all kinds of behaviors, city. I see their role in the urban ecosystem as that of decomposers, sort of like termites or mold. They don't improve the areas they hit but likely bring down property values by adding a perception of lawlessness and ugliness which turns a lot of people off. Most people can't distinguish between "bombing" and gang-tagging.

Or maybe I should just open my mind and embrace this "subculture". Yeah, it's very "urban". It's all how you view it. Having a homeless guy urinate downtown is brilliant performance art; the smell as it wafts through the skyscraper winds, the way it runs in small rivulets into the streets. And trains blowing at 4 am are music, each one has a slightly different pitch and volume, and each conductor has his own rhythm and style.

Luckily our city doesn't seem to be graffitied as bad as a few others I've seen so it's not a huge deal but calling it art is pathetic.

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It's all how you view it. Having a homeless guy urinate downtown is brilliant performance art; the smell as it wafts through the skyscraper winds, the way it runs in small rivulets into the streets. And trains blowing at 4 am are music, each one has a slightly different pitch and volume, and each conductor has his own rhythm and style.

hooray danax!

i was hoping to get an answer to my query above from someone familiar with this bombing stuff to explain a bit more (see 3 posts up). the folks i have known who bomb basically like to see their initials/name on things --- period. they are very arrogant about it. Love to brag about it but don't like explaining WHY it is so great and WHY other people who don't know what is for should respect it (and them for doing it) as well.

i can respect a sarcastic or witty slogan , even an artistic tagging attempt but the initials with a paintmarker are totally beyond me.

if anyone familiar with this can explain why we should take this so seriously --- please do so.

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there are galleries in houston which have graffiti based shows, like aerosol warfare. wouldn't that be better than getting picked up for scrawling their initials on someone's fence, while there are these more grand artistic ideas waiting to be let out of their sketchbooks?

77017 -- so do these fellas have anywhere they won't bomb? somehow, i can handle folks tagging signal boxes and dumpsters much more than the side of someone's house or the front of an apartment complex... seems very frivolous and selfish to use someone's home as a hit --- i'm not sure what to call it.

so afterward how is bombing seen by the other folks who do it? they drive through and figure they need to outdo the other fella(s) or what?

i find this quite interesting, as its a layer of urban culture that overlaps everyone on this forum whether we agree with it or not.

Taggin is all about fame. Like when NEXT won the houston press award for best Houston tagger his fame level shot up. Or when "REBS" and "RITE" got on the news for taggin all the freeway signs and causin 10s of thousands of dollars worth of damage, their fame level shot up. And if you remember what rebs tag looked like, you'll see you don't need a lot of skill to get a lot of fame. Taggin is about gettin your piece on a 150 foot tall billboard. Graffiti art is about skill. Like what you see in their blackbooks, or on the legal walls, or art galleries like aerosol warfare. So as far as TAGGERS callin themselves "artists", ha, you rarely catch a tagger runnin around sayin "I'm an artist, I'm an artist!" That's more of myth kept alive by graffiti detractor nerds to prove their point, which is moot anyway cuz if the bombin was replaced by extremely technical multi-colored 3D masterpieces, they still wouldn't want the "ugly graffiti" up there. . .

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Taggin is all about fame. Like when NEXT won the houston press award for best Houston tagger his fame level shot up. Or when "REBS" and "RITE" got on the news for taggin all the freeway signs and causin 10s of thousands of dollars worth of damage, their fame level shot up. And if you remember what rebs tag looked like, you'll see you don't need a lot of skill to get a lot of fame. Taggin is about gettin your piece on a 150 foot tall billboard. Graffiti art is about skill. Like what you see in their blackbooks, or on the legal walls, or art galleries like aerosol warfare. So as far as TAGGERS callin themselves "artists", ha, you rarely catch a tagger runnin around sayin "I'm an artist, I'm an artist!" That's more of myth kept alive by graffiti detractor nerds to prove their point, which is moot anyway cuz if the bombin was replaced by extremely technical multi-colored 3D masterpieces, they still wouldn't want the "ugly graffiti" up there. . .

i don't know how urban it is to have a newspaper vote you "best tagger".

if tagging a 150ft billboard is honorary then tagging the front of an old lady's

house shouldn't be. the $150 she has to pay to get some fella to pressure

wash it off her house is a big deal to her budget. yet, she has to because if

she doesn't its embarrassing and she'll get fined by the city.

it is more self-promotion than art, yes?

i've see a show at aerosol warfare and thought it was great --- but i have

only seen that person's work on call boxes and the boarded windows of

empty properties.

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i don't know how urban it is to have a newspaper vote you "best tagger".

if tagging a 150ft billboard is honorary then tagging the front of an old lady's

house shouldn't be. the $150 she has to pay to get some fella to pressure

wash it off her house is a big deal to her budget. yet, she has to because if

she doesn't its embarrassing and she'll get fined by the city.

it is more self-promotion than art, yes?

i've see a show at aerosol warfare and thought it was great --- but i have

only seen that person's work on call boxes and the boarded windows of

empty properties.

When next won that award he didn't go around tellin everybody "look yall, I won houston press best tagger! Isn't that "urban"? Instead people were comin up to him sayin, "damn, you were in the houston press and on the news man, you know how big your name is now?" Fame. . .

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