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No doubt, the market will let you know if you've overstepped your bounds. The banks will also, especially when there are some (not all, mind you, but some) risky projects going up in high-dollar property markets on the California and Florida coasts. Banks are tired of pie-in-the-sky projects that ultimately go bankrupt because even at high occupancy, the developers are getting eaten alive due to high construction costs.

Now, this all doesn't necessarily apply to markets like Austin, Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, etc, but it probably does affect how developers may go about putting together deals in these cities.

The only thing that I've heard concerning Trump recently is that he had made some enemies in Palm Beach County over how he went about developing one of his properties there. His name is mud in that particular municipality and I think he may have gotten a good chiding by some county commissioners. Other than that, he seems to go about his business pretty fluidly.

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It's just that this article makes one's BS meter go off the scale..

I agree. I think this is just a way for Trump to boost ticket sales for his upcoming motivational speech in Dallas. When he purchases some propoerty, then we can get excited.

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Banking214, how about if we try to get to the bottom of this, so to speak? Help me out here, if you can,... how many residential buildings are there in Dallas that stand at 25 stories or more? A list of buildings would be most helpful. I'm just not familiar enough with Dallas to know.

Okay, I'll go ahead and start. I have counted 20 existing high rise residential buildings in Houston that stand at 25 stories or more (and there may well be more). Included in that number are:

-- three 40-story buildings

-- one 35-story building

-- two 34-story buildings

-- one 33-story building

-- two 31-story buildings

and

-- seven 30-story buildings, for a total of 16 existing buildings of 30 stories or more

Banking214 (or anyone else familiar enough with Dallas to respond), how many such structures are there in Dallas?

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Okay, I'll go ahead and start. I have counted 20 existing high rise residential buildings in Houston that stand at 25 stories or more (and there may well be more). Included in that number are:

-- three 40-story buildings

-- one 35-story building

-- two 34-story buildings

-- one 33-story building

-- two 31-story buildings

and

-- seven 30-story buildings, for a total of 16 existing buildings of 30 stories or more

Banking214 (or anyone else familiar enough with Dallas to respond), how many such structures are there in Dallas?

If you really want to explore those comparisons, why don't you just start another thread?

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If you really want to explore those comparisons, why don't you just start another thread?

You're quite the bossy little guy today, aren't you? ;-)

ummmm... because I didn't feel like it? ;-) Someone posted a comment that highrises hadn't caught on in Houston to the extent they have in Dallas, which led to something of a side conversation exploring whether that was in fact true. Should that initial comment have been in another thread? Should all responses to that comment have been in another thread? At what point is another thread required? I suppose it is slightly off the topic of this thread, but only very slightly. The thread has been a discussion of the Dallas, and tangentially, the Houston, high-rise market. I don't see why an objective comparison of those markets cannot be explored within this same thread.

Or are only posts that mention Donald Trump and words like "pizazz" and "terrific" allowed in this particular thread?

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You're quite the bossy little guy today, aren't you? ;-)

ummmm... because I didn't feel like it? ;-) Someone posted a comment that highrises hadn't caught on in Houston to the extent they have in Dallas, which led to something of a side conversation exploring whether that was in fact true. Should that initial comment have been in another thread? Should all responses to that comment have been in another thread? At what point is another thread required? I suppose it is slightly off the topic of this thread, but only very slightly. The thread has been a discussion of the Dallas, and tangentially, the Houston, high-rise market. I don't see why an objective comparison of those markets cannot be explored within this same thread.

Or are only posts that mention Donald Trump and words like "pizazz" and "terrific" allowed in this particular thread?

I just asked a simple question. You answered it. Thanks.

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Someone posted a comment that highrises hadn't caught on in Houston to the extent they have in Dallas, which led to something of a side conversation exploring whether that was in fact true.

I don't see why an objective comparison of those markets cannot be explored within this same thread.

I think Redscare said it first, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I would have thought he's talking about the current popularity and construction of these. As for existing stuff, I would expect (gut feel) Houston to have about 1.8x the number of them which would be about the same number per capita and also the same number per square mile.

And for the Dallas existing projects, which is what I thought this was about (and may be wrong), I have already listed them above. Its these projects that in my opinion give the general feel that Redscare alluded to (as well as the proximity issue that he also mentioned). If some of those buildings don't meet your qualifications for high rise, there is a single thread on the DFW forum (actually a single post) that has all height/story counts so you can remove some. For me personally, my requirements for "high rise" differ between commercial and residential, which may be technically wrong. The limit on high rise residential in most of the areas of Dallas where you find them is about 28 stories (although some are going a hair higher) so its possible none of those meet your or the official criteria.

Jason

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Yeah, it was me that started it. My comment was somewhat related to Trump's announcement in that I was curious whether the market was getting overbuilt. I suggested that perhaps the Dallas market would support more of the new construction than Houston would. I am also a little confused as to how many of these projects are actually coming out of the ground. Obviously, living in Houston, I know which ones are talk and which ones are pouring concrete. Dallas, I can't drive around and look at.

I think 713/214 nailed Trump, though. He's selling tickets. Hell, he's always selling something. :lol:

But, if all of this high rise residential talk that is NOT Trump's is too far off the mark, the Mods can tell us to move it. I just think there is only so much we can say about Trump before it turns ugly. My tangent at least lets us debate whether he should even attempt it.

My .02

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I think Redscare said it first, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I would have thought he's talking about the current popularity and construction of these. As for existing stuff, I would expect (gut feel) Houston to have about 1.8x the number of them which would be about the same number per capita and also the same number per square mile.

And for the Dallas existing projects, which is what I thought this was about (and may be wrong), I have already listed them above. Its these projects that in my opinion give the general feel that Redscare alluded to (as well as the proximity issue that he also mentioned). If some of those buildings don't meet your qualifications for high rise, there is a single thread on the DFW forum (actually a single post) that has all height/story counts so you can remove some. For me personally, my requirements for "high rise" differ between commercial and residential, which may be technically wrong. The limit on high rise residential in most of the areas of Dallas where you find them is about 28 stories (although some are going a hair higher) so its possible none of those meet your or the official criteria.

Jason

My request for numbers was a specific response to a specific statement by banking214: "Dallas has always been a leader in Texas for high rise projects."

I am not interested in just current projects. I am interested in the whole market. Is there a listing somewhere of all of the high-rise residential buildings in Dallas? I am not wedded to the 25-story height. That was just a random cut-off that seemed reasonable.

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what if Donald Trump, Hilton, and Tilman Fertita built a hotel and planned it together? what do you think it'd look like?

I'd say it'd have a casino, with sharks in the pool with marble tiles at the bottom and pure gold in the rims of the pool. I'd say it'd be costly to stay at over night and we all can see a little green (don' t mean envy) in this trio.

Reason Donald Trump doesn't want to come to Houston is because Tilman owns half the city in hotels! :P

He'll bark Donald out of territory! (Like a mad Doberman tied to a dog house)

sorry long day...and my attempt at bad jokes ;)

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