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You know, when i was considering moving to Houston in 2004, i have to admit that i was not impressed with Houston Intercontinental AT ALL. I mean, i live about an hour from Denver so i think the world of Denver's Airport, partly because its the newest in the country. When i arrived in terminal A of IAH, i thought, this airport looks like a 1970s style airport. Dallas- Ft. Worth's airport is really nice too, but not as sleek and shiny as Denver's.

My overall impressions of IAH changed this last time i flew into the Airport. I came down to Houston recently to visit some relatives for New Years and they weren't even ready to pick me up, so i decided to tour the airport. I rode the little train and rode all the way to the newest Terminal E. Everything i would've expected to find in Denver International Airport, i found on this side of IAH. I mean that terminal is gorgeous. IT has many seafood restaurants and bars and cool neon lighting in that side. Quite frankly, i think that part of the airport might even pass up DIA by a slim margin, but maybe i'm just getting overexcited for Houston.

I walked a long way and they were rennovating parts of the airport and then i ended up in Terminal D. Terminal D is nice too, although not quite as nice as Terminal E, but it was very nice, it still had much of the same lighting feaures, gift shops, restaurants. I left there very impressed! IAH seems like its improved vastly and is more organized. The last time i was in this airport, they didn't even have a train (Or it wasn't operational.)

What is IAH trying to do? Maybe they were already doing this 2 years ago and i just didn't look long or far enough. Is IAH doing some major rennovation or upgrades expecting to attract more airlines? because my whole opinion changed, IAH even looks good on the outside. I think the Marriot Hotel could stand to do some painting though because that beige color is a little on the bland side.

But other than that, good job IAH :D I put you on the same level as DIA now!

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Continental and their architects designed and built the gates at Terminal E, with the City building the ticket counter, baggage area, customs, etc. The terminal was intended to be international-only, but 9/11 put the brakes on that. The ticket counter was a year late, but the entire project came together very nicely. AFAIK, the concessions are managed by Continental and the selection seems to be much better than the other terminals. If you search on this site, you will find critiques of the terminal artwork.

Terminal C is now being renovated to match Terminal E--at least as much as the facilities outer walls will allow.

Terminal B is the step-child, reserved for Continental Express and NWA. Check out the incredible mosaic tile work when you are there.

I don't know much about Terminal A as I've never flown out of that terminal. I think it was renovated before the others and used to be the nicest of the terminals.

The only part of the airport I can't stand is the short-term parking garage. It appears to be many garages haphazardly attached and every single time I park in it (few times a year) I lose my car.

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IAH has always been a visual hodge-podge, but of the few hundred times I've been through it I only had trouble twice -- both in the international terminal.

I know Denver's airport is nice, especially since it's so new. I hope to go there this summer.

Now AUSTIN -- There's a great small airport. Really well done.

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Terminal E is by the best visually. However, the biggest pain in the ass in landing there on domestic flights is the fact that you have to walk to Terminal C to pick up your bags. When I get delayed for some reason, Fox Sports grill is there to grab a couple of beers at. I do like picking up some Pappadeaux on the way out of E just so I don't have to eat that garbage Continental usually serves on their flights. Let me think a imitation BBQ sandwich in a plastic bag or some Pappadeaux - easy choice.

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I like Terminal E too, but I have never flown out of it. I have seen all of the other terminals; I agree with the statement that IAH is a visual hodgepodge.

I wish for CO to start more Europe flights and flights to Osaka and Seoul from Houston.

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Terminal E is by the best visually. However, the biggest pain in the ass in landing there on domestic flights is the fact that you have to walk to Terminal C to pick up your bags. When I get delayed for some reason, Fox Sports grill is there to grab a couple of beers at. I do like picking up some Pappadeaux on the way out of E just so I don't have to eat that garbage Continental usually serves on their flights. Let me think a imitation BBQ sandwich in a plastic bag or some Pappadeaux - easy choice.

Keep in mind that E was not meant to be domestic, but when the bottom fell out of the industry at 9/11, the project was already way too far along to make for an easy transition to a domestic and international terminal. The baggage at E is inside customs and therefore has to remain a sterile area.

That 'uphill' skywalk you can take was added at the last minute (at great expense) to cut some time and distance off the walk to C.

As for additional European and Asian markets, if smaller aircraft (757 size) could make it from IAH to Frankfurt, Rome, etc., then those markets would be served. There just isn't a market for 767 or 777 service to Europe and Asia from IAH like there is from Newark. Maybe the new 787's can make the case for additional IAH routes.

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What is IAH trying to do? Maybe they were already doing this 2 years ago and i just didn't look long or far enough. Is IAH doing some major rennovation or upgrades expecting to attract more airlines?

there was extensive information on the recently completed upgrades to IAH at one of the architectural/engineering/planning firms. i think it was PGAL.

yes, here's the link. PGAL

choose "architecture" and then "aviation". there is information in two or more of the aviation menus. it appears that pgal's involvement is part of a $450,000,000 airport renovation/upgrade project.

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Terminal A is the last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from teh current "banjo" design. Term A is the one that all the "other" non-Continental airlines and partners fly into for domestic (andCanada) flights. It will eventually get "guccied" up

Continental does not have the aircraft to even think about flying to Seoul from Houston at this time, sorry.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

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is the baggage claim area in terminal C going to get any kind of makeover? It still has the look of the previous incarnation and also needs a little work. I know baggage claims are never the most glamorous areas simply by the nature of its a disaster area, but with E and C both in there, the monitors that say who goes to which carousel are probably from the Atari era. Just think that visitors see the rest of the gates, think this place isn't that bad, then see the baggage claim area and think the place is a dump. Especially since it usually takes forever to get the bags out. I thought Newark's was a decent balance of the two, its obviously the same disaster logistically, but at least visually it wasn't as dumpy.

I know, this is where everyone says "that's why i don't ever check my bags"

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There is a great article in this month's "Airports" magazine about IAH and its post 9/11 boom and future expansion plans. While the magazine is pricey at $10USD it is a great 8 page read on IAH with some good photos.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

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I think another terminal is in the long range plans, but it probably won't be for many years yet. I believe the next major step is to renovate Terminal B.

IAH is a visual hodgepodge, but I have to admit I have grown to like it. The layout, built terminal by terminal with different designs over the years, is one of the most inconsistent of major US airports that I have been through. It's complicated enough that natives who are familiar with it can take a certain pride in knowing how to get around.

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I think another terminal is in the long range plans, but it probably won't be for many years yet. I believe the next major step is to renovate Terminal B.

IAH is a visual hodgepodge, but I have to admit I have grown to like it. The layout, built terminal by terminal with different designs over the years, is one of the most inconsistent of major US airports that I have been through. It's complicated enough that natives who are familiar with it can take a certain pride in knowing how to get around.

Well A and B were designed and built pre-747. Google maps show that todays 757's and 767's dwarf the two terminals round concourse ends.

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I had no idea so many people paid attention to airports.

I like to spend as little time as possible in airports...

You'd be surprised :)

It's usually the first, last, and sometimes only thing you see when coming through a city. You can tell many times what a city or area is like just by checking out the interior design of an airport.

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You'd be surprised :)

It's usually the first, last, and sometimes only thing you see when coming through a city. You can tell many times what a city or area is like just by checking out the interior design of an airport.

Thank God we got rid of C and B terminals at Hobby!

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Terminal A is the last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from teh current "banjo" design. Term A is the one that all the "other" non-Continental airlines and partners fly into for domestic (andCanada) flights. It will eventually get "guccied" up

Continental does not have the aircraft to even think about flying to Seoul from Houston at this time, sorry.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Watching you from 30,000 feet

Terminal A's "banjos" were removed several years ago, new concourses were built and the whole terminal was remodeled.

The remaining banjoes are in Terminal B, the interior of which has also been completely remodeled.

The airport system is developing a 20-year master plan for the airfield and terminals at George Bush Intercontinental, in order to handle double the current traffic. The plan will remove the central terminal buildings of Terminals A, B, and C, build a new consolidated central terminal building and new concourses, and connect them all via an a new high-speed underground train (similar to Atlanta's I suppose). It will be done in phases as needed.

Go here to see more:

http://web.houstonairportsystem.org/iahmasterplan/frame.htm

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By aircraft, you mean by number (e.g. all of their 777's used up), right?

Fleetwise a B777 can make IAH-ICN (it can't do a IAH-HKG).

Terminal A is the last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from teh current "banjo" design. Term A is the one that all the "other" non-Continental airlines and partners fly into for domestic (andCanada) flights. It will eventually get "guccied" up

Continental does not have the aircraft to even think about flying to Seoul from Houston at this time, sorry.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Watching you from 30,000 feet

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is the baggage claim area in terminal C going to get any kind of makeover? It still has the look of the previous incarnation and also needs a little work. I know baggage claims are never the most glamorous areas simply by the nature of its a disaster area, but with E and C both in there, the monitors that say who goes to which carousel are probably from the Atari era. Just think that visitors see the rest of the gates, think this place isn't that bad, then see the baggage claim area and think the place is a dump. Especially since it usually takes forever to get the bags out. I thought Newark's was a decent balance of the two, its obviously the same disaster logistically, but at least visually it wasn't as dumpy.

I know, this is where everyone says "that's why i don't ever check my bags"

I don't think C baggage claim is part of the current renovation due to (among other things) the low ceiling.

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Maybe the new 787's can make the case for additional IAH routes.

and Continental is the first domestic airline to place an order for 787's, we'll have to wait and see how many will fly out of houston.

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IAH is a visual hodgepodge, but I have to admit I have grown to like it.

forgive me for being a little ignorant, but what does hodgepodge mean?

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Terminal A's "banjos" were removed several years ago, new concourses were built and the whole terminal was remodeled.

The remaining banjoes are in Terminal B, the interior of which has also been completely remodeled.

The airport system is developing a 20-year master plan for the airfield and terminals at George Bush Intercontinental, in order to handle double the current traffic. The plan will remove the central terminal buildings of Terminals A, B, and C, build a new consolidated central terminal building and new concourses, and connect them all via an a new high-speed underground train (similar to Atlanta's I suppose). It will be done in phases as needed.

Go here to see more:

http://web.houstonairportsystem.org/iahmasterplan/frame.htm

allow me to clarify 19514- I mean Terminal A's servicing below ground is still in the banjo configuration, which is due to be dug up and reworked over the next ~two years. Terminal B's above ground rings will be fixed per the plan as linked and discussed in this month's airports magazine. Terminal B has been reworked to link in to the Continental bag system now. I will be flying into B tomorrow will have to ask a friend who is a manager there if B's underground works have been linked to As yet.

iwill throw in another plug for this month's "Airports" magazine (Barnes and Noble normally has it) which has a good Houston IAH article from pages 62-70

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Watching you from 30,000 feet

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and Continental is the first domestic airline to place an order for 787's, we'll have to wait and see how many will fly out of houston.

Every CO aircraft type flies through Houston, and the 787 shouldn't be any different. Now if we were speaking about the Airbus A380, or even a 747, then that would be different!

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What does that mean?

When A was refurbed the serving docks that link underground were not all updated. It is projected another 4 million will complete A's transformation from Banjos, and 13 mil for B.

Every CO aircraft type flies through Houston, and the 787 shouldn't be any different. Now if we were speaking about the Airbus A380, or even a 747, then that would be different!

True though the Wingleted 757s are normally only based at Neward EWR, with some MX stops at IAH from time to time. CO will not order the 747 anytime soon, but they have optioned their ectra 777 to add int'l expansion.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Veni, Vidi, Bibi

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When A was refurbed the serving docks that link underground were not all updated. It is projected another 4 million will complete A's transformation from Banjos, and 13 mil for B.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Veni, Vidi, Bibi

I'm sorrry if I'm being obtuse, but I still don't know what that means. What is underground? and why would it be banjo-shaped? ;-)

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THe servicing network of hte airport is partially "buried", as Terminal A was partially reconstructed, funds were diverted away from rearranging all of Terminal A's ops. It is quite a sight, I have toured the entire ops side of IAH on several occasions. American Airlines has been quite vocal in getting A up to full interline service. As for top side as noted above, all the banjos airport wide will be gone by 2010-2012.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, No Honey I don't want to meet your parents

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THe servicing network of hte airport is partially "buried", as Terminal A was partially reconstructed, funds were diverted away from rearranging all of Terminal A's ops. It is quite a sight, I have toured the entire ops side of IAH on several occasions. American Airlines has been quite vocal in getting A up to full interline service. As for top side as noted above, all the banjos airport wide will be gone by 2010-2012.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, No Honey I don't want to meet your parents

I still don't get it. Surely you can explain it better than that. What "ops" are still buried in the banjo configuration?

Edited by Houston19514

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well I don't know what else to say. Maybe you could think of it like a house having a basement. You move the house, the basement doesn't move unless you dig a new one. If your water heater was in your old basement you need to hook it up to the new location before it works, the same with the baggage loaders, belts, and servicing that was (and still is) in the old config under terminal A. The good news is, even though you don't get it, it will be fixed soon enough, allowing A (along with the new terminal link connection) to be fully integrated with the others terminals. The "banjos" were not suited for hub ops of todays airlines and will go the way of the dodo.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate

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yes CE, "Banjos" were a nickname given to the spoke and circle design of early terminals. THey are not popular these days with modern "hub and spoke" airlines (like Continental) they do not allow for easy transfer of equipment, cargo, baggage and people. Houston's terminals are being redesigned as part of the master plan. You can look online for diagrams or in various aviation publicaitons over the last few years, to include the current "Airports" magazine, and FI from October of 05.

H19- OPs is a common aviation term for anything going on at the airside of the terminal, sorry you aren't as familar with such terms they are common in aviation. You cannot understand how the terminal contains more than the building above ground??? If you don't get it sorry, just be happy it is all going to be fixed and allow IAH to be "uber" functional!

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Oklahoma- a native word for trailer park

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well I don't know what else to say. Maybe you could think of it like a house having a basement. You move the house, the basement doesn't move unless you dig a new one. If your water heater was in your old basement you need to hook it up to the new location before it works, the same with the baggage loaders, belts, and servicing that was (and still is) in the old config under terminal A. The good news is, even though you don't get it, it will be fixed soon enough, allowing A (along with the new terminal link connection) to be fully integrated with the others terminals. The "banjos" were not suited for hub ops of todays airlines and will go the way of the dodo.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate

Well, now you've finally told me something... (I understand the concept of a basement; it's just that your previous responses told me nothing about what you believe is in these banjo-shaped basements.) So you're saying the baggage is still run from the airfield into the terminal on underground systems beneath where the "banjos" used to be?

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Sorry those of us in the business know the jargon I guess LOL

Yes some of the baggage is run from the old loaders into the central system, which has not been completely refurbed yet, also several of the tug paths run from the old points in the A terminal banjos. Some of the money was redirected to the new 17/35 runway but it is now funded to complete the refurb. Ditto all of B and the full above ground terminal link connection (not to mention the old people mover refurb that will be done). You can kind of see it if you fly out of hte AA gates, you will see tugs drive "out" after servicing the aricraft airside. All of it should be finished "soon" thus getting A up to snuff, even though it si a forgotten terminal in relation to the other Continental babies and INternational ones.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, You better Belize it

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Sorry those of us in the business know the jargon I guess LOL

Yes some of the baggage is run from the old loaders into the central system, which has not been completely refurbed yet, also several of the tug paths run from the old points in the A terminal banjos. Some of the money was redirected to the new 17/35 runway but it is now funded to complete the refurb. Ditto all of B and the full above ground terminal link connection (not to mention the old people mover refurb that will be done). You can kind of see it if you fly out of hte AA gates, you will see tugs drive "out" after servicing the aricraft airside. All of it should be finished "soon" thus getting A up to snuff, even though it si a forgotten terminal in relation to the other Continental babies and INternational ones.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, You better Belize it

You tell a good story, but I'm calling BS on this one. For starters, the inbound and outbound baggage belts were moved to the new bridges when the new north and south concourses were built. For another, the "basements" were never basements underneath the banjos and were never in the banjo configuration. They were merely tunnels (one to each of the north and south sides I believe). Virtually nothing of the original banjo configuration remains at Terminal A.

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Terminal A is the last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from teh current "banjo" design. Term A is the one that all the "other" non-Continental airlines and partners fly into for domestic (andCanada) flights. It will eventually get "guccied" up

Huh? The city started a major renovation of that facility around 1997. During this time the southwest pod (or "banjo") was demolished and construction started on a new, modern south concourse. This concourse opened in 1999, and shortly after the old southeast pod was demolished. Construction then moved to the north side of the facility, and the new north concourse opened there around 2001/2002. The entire ticket counter area and baggage claim areas have also been fully renovated and modernized. It's not as nice as Terminal E, but it's not bad at all. There's very little of the original design still evident in the facility.

Now Terminal B, on the other hand, is largely in its original configuration, with modifications made to accomodate the above-ground TerminaLink people mover (opened in 1999), a single security screening point, and additional gates. The original gate pods have about twice the number of gates as they used to, because Continental Express's ERJs don't require as much space as the larger jets the terminal was designed for. This does present a problem, though, as the gate areas tend to get very crowded and the restrooms are totally inadequate for the number of passengers the terminal is now handling. Unfortunately I have to deal with Terminal B about five or six times a month.

Terminal C's renovation is nearing completion in the gate areas. Only two areas are under construction -- the south concourse gates along the walkway between C and E, and the gates in the same area between C and D in the north concourse. This renovation has added new restrooms, expanded seating areas (they've actually slightly expanded the building's footprint in a few areas) and a more modern appearance that compliments the style of Terminal E. This is a project being coordinated by Continental, not the City of Houston. Now if only Continental could get the right to manage the concession contracts for Terminals B and C also, because they obviously do a much better job with that than the City does.

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You tell a good story, but I'm calling BS on this one. For starters, the inbound and outbound baggage belts were moved to the new bridges when the new north and south concourses were built. For another, the "basements" were never basements underneath the banjos and were never in the banjo configuration. They were merely tunnels (one to each of the north and south sides I believe). Virtually nothing of the original banjo configuration remains at Terminal A.

Well Kid, I really could care less if you call BS or not-facts are facts.

Just for "shits and grins" as someone like you might say, I went down into the bowels of Term A Saturday after flying into IAH and meeting with some execs at Cotinental. DId a little tour and one full underground compartment is left and half of the other (one is partially in use due to diverted funds-mainly AA's). Construction was stopped due to some rain, but should be finished and linked into the new system as noted above.

You basically show you have no idea how any airside of an airport works. The fact you did not even know what ops means tells me that. Sorry kiddo. I am just curious as too why it bugs you? Do you have airport issues?

This is a project being coordinated by Continental, not the City of Houston. Now if only Continental could get the right to manage the concession contracts for Terminals B and C also, because they obviously do a much better job with that than the City does.

COntinental will not get those anytime soon. Terminal B's landside refurb is actually ahead of schedule (something rare in Aviation construction). edit /link

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Seven Continents Down, None to Go

Edited by CaptAWACS

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Well Kid, I really could care less if you call BS or not-facts are facts.

Just for "shits and grins" as someone like you might say, I went down into the bowels of Term A Saturday after flying into IAH and meeting with some execs at Cotinental. DId a little tour and one full underground compartment is left and half of the other (one is partially in use due to diverted funds-mainly AA's). Construction was stopped due to some rain, but should be finished and linked into the new system as noted above.

You basically show you have no idea how any airside of an airport works. The fact you did not even know what ops means tells me that. Sorry kiddo. I am just curious as too why it bugs you? Do you have airport issues?

COntinental will not get those anytime soon. Terminal B's landside refurb is actually ahead of schedule (something rare in Aviation construction). edit /link

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Seven Continents Down, None to Go

Yes, indeed, facts are facts. And I can't help but notice that you neither addressed nor contradicted a single one of the facts in my post, to-wit:

The inbound and outbound baggage belts were moved to the new bridges when the new north and south concourses were built. For another, the "basements" were never basements underneath the banjos and were never in the banjo configuration. They were merely tunnels (one to each of the north and south sides I believe). Virtually nothing of the original banjo configuration remains at Terminal A.

And BTW, sweetheart, I know what "ops" means. I was just trying to get you to move beyond the very generalized statements you were feeding us (and continue to feed us). Nothing you have posted in this thread indicates that you have ever been on the "ops" side of an airport or know anything about the "ops" side of Bush Intercontinental. To the contrary, your statements that the banjos had basements and that the basements of the banjos are still there indicate you have never been anywhere near the ops sid of Terminal A.

Just for S's and G's (as someone like you actually did say), let's review a few facts:

Fact: You stated that "Terminal A is the last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from teh current "banjo" design. "" (A statement that is clearly, demonstrably, visibly incorrect)

Fact: The city started a major renovation of that facility around 1997. During this time the southwest pod (or "banjo") was demolished and construction started on a new, modern south concourse. This concourse opened in 1999, and shortly after the old southeast pod was demolished. Construction then moved to the north side of the facility, and the new north concourse opened there around 2001/2002. (Terminal B, not Terminal A, still has the banjo design.)

Fact: When called on this misstatement, rather than admitting error, you tried to back and fill by saying that: "I mean Terminal A's servicing below ground is still in the banjo configuration, " which, of course is not anything at all like what you actually wrote, to-wit: "Terminal A is the last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from the current banjo design." Tell me, from your vast knowledge and experience of airport ops, have you ever seen "banks of gates" below ground? ;-)

Fact: Terminal A's "servicing below ground" was never in a "banjo configuration." There were no banjo-shaped basements as you suggested. (If you were correct that the underground system was in the banjo configuration, there would surely be four underground compartments, given that there were four banjos. In your latest response/personal attack, you state that "one full underground compartment is left and half of the other," strongly implying that there were only 2, not 4, underground compartments. What happened to the "basements" under the other two banjos, man?

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You know, when i was considering moving to Houston in 2004, i have to admit that i was not impressed with Houston Intercontinental AT ALL. I mean, i live about an hour from Denver so i think the world of Denver's Airport, partly because its the newest in the country. When i arrived in terminal A of IAH, i thought, this airport looks like a 1970s style airport. Dallas- Ft. Worth's airport is really nice too, but not as sleek and shiny as Denver's.

Actually, I like terminal A the best. Yes, it has been updated, but you can still see the original stylistic cues in the ceiling of the ticketing area which are unchanged from the original. But when it comes to convenience terminal A smokes the other terminals. I travel a lot for work and usually fly Continental due to all the direct flights they have. When I go to Denver however, I use Frontier which has a gate in terminal A and leaves at 6:30am and returns at 10pm which gives me a whole day there without having to spend the night. Because it's more or less cut off from the rest of the airport, terminal A is like a small airport by itself. Once I park my car in the garage, it takes less than 15 mins to walk from my car, check in, go through security and get to the gate. Try doing that flying Continental when you have to check in at terminal C and walk a half-mile to a gate in terminal E.

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Yes, indeed, facts are facts. And I can't help but notice that you neither addressed nor contradicted a single one of the facts in my post, to-wit:
Actually kid I did, you must be blind if you can't see that- but then again I know several in Houston not a shock.
The inbound and outbound baggage belts were moved to the new bridges when the new north and south concourses were built. For another, the "basements" were never basements underneath the banjos and were never in the banjo configuration. They were merely tunnels (one to each of the north and south sides I believe). Virtually nothing of the original banjo configuration remains at Terminal A.

You are simply wrong. Again, I have been there (saturday as a matter of fact), and know how the airplanes are serviced. I guess the word basement confuses you, try not to go to "semantic" on us just to prove some odd point here.

And BTW, sweetheart, I know what "ops" means. I was just trying to get you to move beyond the very generalized statements you were feeding us (and continue to feed us). Nothing you have posted in this thread indicates that you have ever been on the "ops" side of an airport or know anything about the "ops" side of Bush Intercontinental. To the contrary, your statements that the banjos had basements and that the basements of the banjos are still there indicate you have never been anywhere near the ops sid of Terminal A.

Look, I understand that when people like you, simpletons if you will, do not understand how complicated things work, they try to put down or redirect, but your redirect will not work here. The burden of proof is on you if think the airside carts and belts do not load under that terminal and underground, because as I noted, they do at that location. At this point I don't think you have travelled or ever even been on an airplane if you can't understand (have you?). Do you have questions about aviation, I am always here to answer questions, lord knows I get enough odd ones at airshows and such.

Fact: You stated that "Terminal A is the last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from teh current "banjo" design. "" (A statement that is clearly, demonstrably, visibly incorrect)

You are wrong. Do me a favour, open your eyes if you ever go to the airport and fly to Tulsa to see the family, look out from your RJ window (that is the round thing made of glass and plastic). You can see what is still being constructed at Terminal A as the old banjos are fixed. And the plan for terminal B is different so I was correct, sorry. THe way HAS runs their plans lord knows it could change again

Fact: The city started a major renovation of that facility around 1997. During this time the southwest pod (or "banjo") was demolished and construction started on a new, modern south concourse. This concourse opened in 1999, and shortly after the old southeast pod was demolished. Construction then moved to the north side of the facility, and the new north concourse opened there around 2001/2002. (Terminal B, not Terminal A, still has the banjo design.)

I know all that and never said otherwise. I flew in and out of all during those times, many times actually. I even taxied my own T-1 up to terminal A in 2000. All of that above I never contradicted, but thanks for writing it down for us.?!

Fact: When called on this misstatement, rather than admitting error, you tried to back and fill by saying that: "I mean Terminal A's servicing below ground is still in the banjo configuration, " which, of course is not anything at all like what you actually wrote, to-wit: "Terminal A is the last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from the current banjo design."

No you simply did not understand and seem to still not understand, I am sorry my first statement confused you, I would type slower if I could HAHA. Terminal A is still being reconstructed into full banks and half of it has the new underground airside servicing while the rest is using the old system. Go read the newest issue of ""Airports" magazine and you can see some pics yourself. You seem to just be focused on what is above ground near the jetways. Well much of the cost of a terminal is actually below ground in the gate servicing and baggage system (some airports do elevate more than others depending on soil and other configuration issues)

Tell me, from your vast knowledge and experience of airport ops, have you ever seen "banks of gates" below ground? ;-)

Yes Atlanta- all of the servicing belts and people walkways are underground, just to name one of literally 100s.

Fact: Terminal A's "servicing below ground" was never in a "banjo configuration." There were no banjo-shaped basements as you suggested. (If you were correct that the underground system was in the banjo configuration, there would surely be four underground compartments, given that there were four banjos.
There were 4, two are completely gone, half of another is gone, and one still exists in the old config

In your latest response/personal attack, you state that "one full underground compartment is left and half of the other," strongly implying that there were only 2, not 4, underground compartments. What happened to the "basements" under the other two banjos, man?

As a said above, two were dug up when the north side was razed in the late 90s, the south side is yet to be done. If you ever pull into the "70s" RJ gates in Terminal B you can see the construction on the A area to fix it (look west). You work the personal attacks, I just point out the facts. Just because you don't understand doesn't faze me. I've been there, done that and gotten the T-shirt more times than I would care to remember. I've flown more in the last 5 years than you will in your entire life, and that is just a fact- I've seen a few more airside terminals than you have. Next time you fly try and pay attention to it and you will see what I mean. Notice where the tugs park and bag belts, and the food trucks and the ____ trucks etc.

HeightsGuy, Terminal A is supposed to be like servicing all the none skyteam domestic airlines (and Air canada since you clear UScustoms in Canada). Co Connection should pull over to B and the remote stands to the North eventually to Keep CO, KLM, Delta, NW and the skyteam folks happy

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

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Actually kid I did, you must be blind if you can't see that- but then again I know several in Houston not a shock.

You are simply wrong. Again, I have been there (saturday as a matter of fact), and know how the airplanes are serviced. I guess the word basement confuses you, try not to go to "semantic" on us just to prove some odd point here.

Look, I understand that when people like you, simpletons if you will, do not understand how complicated things work, they try to put down or redirect, but your redirect will not work here. The burden of proof is on you if think the airside carts and belts do not load under that terminal and underground, because as I noted, they do at that location. At this point I don't think you have travelled or ever even been on an airplane if you can't understand (have you?). Do you have questions about aviation, I am always here to answer questions, lord knows I get enough odd ones at airshows and such.

You are wrong. Do me a favour, open your eyes if you ever go to the airport and fly to Tulsa to see the family, look out from your RJ window (that is the round thing made of glass and plastic). You can see what is still being constructed at Terminal A as the old banjos are fixed. And the plan for terminal B is different so I was correct, sorry. THe way HAS runs their plans lord knows it could change again

I know all that and never said otherwise. I flew in and out of all during those times, many times actually. I even taxied my own T-1 up to terminal A in 2000. All of that above I never contradicted, but thanks for writing it down for us.?!

No you simply did not understand and seem to still not understand, I am sorry my first statement confused you, I would type slower if I could HAHA. Terminal A is still being reconstructed into full banks and half of it has the new underground airside servicing while the rest is using the old system. Go read the newest issue of ""Airports" magazine and you can see some pics yourself. You seem to just be focused on what is above ground near the jetways. Well much of the cost of a terminal is actually below ground in the gate servicing and baggage system (some airports do elevate more than others depending on soil and other configuration issues)

Yes Atlanta- all of the servicing belts and people walkways are underground, just to name one of literally 100s.

There were 4, two are completely gone, half of another is gone, and one still exists in the old config

As a said above, two were dug up when the north side was razed in the late 90s, the south side is yet to be done. If you ever pull into the "70s" RJ gates in Terminal B you can see the construction on the A area to fix it (look west). You work the personal attacks, I just point out the facts. Just because you don't understand doesn't faze me. I've been there, done that and gotten the T-shirt more times than I would care to remember. I've flown more in the last 5 years than you will in your entire life, and that is just a fact- I've seen a few more airside terminals than you have. Next time you fly try and pay attention to it and you will see what I mean. Notice where the tugs park and bag belts, and the food trucks and the ____ trucks etc.

HeightsGuy, Terminal A is supposed to be like servicing all the none skyteam domestic airlines (and Air canada since you clear UScustoms in Canada). Co Connection should pull over to B and the remote stands to the North eventually to Keep CO, KLM, Delta, NW and the skyteam folks happy

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Your humble teacher

Spin it, man, spin it.

Simple fact: The plan for Terminal B is to remove the banjos and replace them with banks of gates. (See the Master Plan, Terminal Development, Phase I) Thus, very clearly, Terminal B, and not Terminal A, is the "last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from teh current "banjo" design."

As to the rest of your rant, I'll let others (including the board moderator) read the thread and determine who has engaged in peronsal attacks.

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Spin it, man, spin it.

Simple fact: The plan for Terminal B is to remove the banjos and replace them with banks of gates. (See the Master Plan, Terminal Development, Phase I) Thus, very clearly, Terminal B, and not Terminal A, is the "last one that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from teh current "banjo" design."

As to the rest of your rant, I'll let others (including the board moderator) read the thread and determine who has engaged in peronsal attacks.

Translation, you can't answer my post because you were wrong and put in your place. The defence rests HA.

When Terminal B gets demolished and rebuilt come talk to us (it will be RJ focused and not like A), but that was not the point you made in your previous post. You tried to argue some odd semantics over the word basement and were wrong, sorry kid, maybe next time. I don't need personal attackes, I have facts and they are stubborn little things.

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Translation, you can't answer my post because you were wrong and put in your place. The defence rests HA.

When Terminal B gets demolished and rebuilt come talk to us (it will be RJ focused and not like A), but that was not the point you made in your previous post. You tried to argue some odd semantics over the word basement and were wrong, sorry kid, maybe next time. I don't need personal attackes, I have facts and they are stubborn little things.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Am I the only one who likes 70$ a barrel oil

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If you don't need "personal attackes", why do your posts consist of little BUT peronsal attacks? Please, go look at the Master Plan, Terminal Development, Phase I. I just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that your initial statement (which is what this whole thread is about) was incorrect. Everything that followed is tangential (mostly me presenting my understanding of the facts and you throwing out personal attacks.)

Again, the simple fact, which is, indeed a stubbon thing: The plan for Terminal B is to remove the banjos and replace them with banks of gates. Please, go take a look at the master plan. The fact that they plan for it to be RJ focused is irrelevant. Terminal B is RJ focused now as well. The fact remains that the rj-focused banjos will be removed and replaced with rj-focused banks of gates. Again, please go look at the Master Plan, Terminal Development, Phase I. You will surely understand then that you are mistaken.

For your convenience, here's a link: http://web.houstonairportsystem.org/iahmasterplan/frame.htm

Then click on previous and future meetings:

Then click on Stakeholder Meeting #4:

Scroll down and click on "Terminal Boards"

Scroll down to "Terminal Development - Phase 1"

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If you don't need "personal attackes", why do your posts consist of little BUT peronsal attacks? Please, go look at the Master Plan, Terminal Development, Phase I. I just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that your initial statement (which is what this whole thread is about) was incorrect. Everything that followed is tangential (mostly me presenting my understanding of the facts and you throwing out personal attacks.)

well "teh" spell man I don't know, care to show me any personal attack-please share with the group?

You have shown nothing but a lack of understanding which does not suprise me after reading all of your posts here.

Again, the simple fact, which is, indeed a stubbon thing: The plan for Terminal B is to remove the banjos and replace them with banks of gates. Please, go take a look at the master plan. The fact that they plan for it to be RJ focused is irrelevant. Terminal B is RJ focused now as well. The fact remains that the rj-focused banjos will be removed and replaced with rj-focused banks of gates. Again, please go look at the Master Plan, Terminal Development, Phase I. You will surely understand then that you are mistaken.

So let me get this straight, now your whole point is the terminal B future construction issue and not how airside ops works? Because you spent multiple threads explaining how there could be no underground ops at IAH (I used Atlanta as another exactly you have seemed to ignore), but when your point there is debunked you go back to Terminal B, which I also noted would be changed? Nice attempt at redirect, you still answered no points in my post, which of course addressed every point in you text, funny kiddo.

Heh, I know more about airports than all of you.

And I've been to more than all of you combined, what is your point? Maybe you can explain the baggage system at Atlanta to H-niner here.

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okay, I have to use Terminal B, so when is it's redo supppose to start? Is it being torn down and rebuilt from scratch? And this airport lingo confuses me, such as "RJ" and "banks of gates."

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RJ stands for Regional Jet, that is the most common player for Express Jet (flying under the Continental Express banner) who use Terminal B.

Banks of Gates are basically long rows of boarding areas and jetways, normally in a linear fashion, whereas there are also circles, semi-circles, "banjos" and others. It is a more discriptive term. It is used in some airport planner books (many of my older ones use it re:atlanta)

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well "teh" spell man I don't know, care to show me any personal attack-please share with the group?

You have shown nothing but a lack of understanding which does not suprise me after reading all of your posts here.

So let me get this straight, now your whole point is the terminal B future construction issue and not how airside ops works? Because you spent multiple threads explaining how there could be no underground ops at IAH (I used Atlanta as another exactly you have seemed to ignore), but when your point there is debunked you go back to Terminal B, which I also noted would be changed? Nice attempt at redirect, you still answered no points in my post, which of course addressed every point in you text, funny kiddo.

And I've been to more than all of you combined, what is your point? Maybe you can explain the baggage system at Atlanta to H-niner here.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,

Capt-AWACS, Forum Alpha Breeder Male

LOL I can't believe you are actually now attacking me for spelling... my misspellings of the words "teh" and "attackes" were direct quotes from your posts. I wanted to quote you precisely, so I did it by cutting and pasting.

My whole point, all along, has been that Terminal A is not the last terminal that is to be redone into "banks" of gates from the current "banjo" design," as you stated. The truth (the fact, if you will) is that Terminal A has already been redone into banks of gates from the former banjo design (you keep talking about underground systems, the existence of which I am well aware and you keep conveniently ignoring that the topic is "gates" which I have not yet seen in an underground configuration, even in Atlanta... the reason I ignored your comments about the underground portions of the Atlanta airport is that your comments were irrelevant. I had asked if you had ever seen underground gates and you responded by telling me that Atlanta has undergound baggage handling and passageways. Yes, and Seattle has a space needle... ), and Terminal B will be redone into banks of gates from their current banjo design, therefore, by simple deduction, we can see that Terminal B, not A is the last terminal that is to be redone into banks of gates from the current banjo design. Go back to the beginning of our discussion, you will see that was the point from the start. Go to the Master Plan, you will see that I am correct.

And by the way, I never said in any post that IAH has no underground ops.

Now, you are apparently trying to avoid admitting your error by stating that you had also noted Terminal B would be changed. Nice try. You earlier admitted that it would be changed, but in some mysterious "different" plan, which somehow didn't constitute redoing it into banks of gates. As I've stated repeatedly, the plan is there for all to see in the Master Plan. Sure looks like banks of gates to me.

I've been ignoring all of the other statements about the undergound systems, etc etc etc, because, as I said before, it's tangential to the issue of whether Terminal A is the last terminal that will be redone into banks of gates.... I don't see any way for either of us to prove what we believe to be the case regarding the details of the underground systems. I have gotten my information from people who have worked in Terminal A baggage handling, but I have no way to prove it. And you don't have any way to prove what you're saying either. If you do, I'd love to see it. I'm genuinely curious. But, as I said, it's irrelevant to the issue we were discussing

As for pointing out personal attacks, how about these:

"well "teh" spell man..."

"You have shown nothing but a lack of understanding which does not suprise me after reading all of your posts here. "

constant use of you favorites "kiddo" and "kid"

"people like you, simpletons if you will,"

"look out from your RJ window (that is the round thing made of glass and plastic"

"I would type slower if I could HAHA."

"Sorry kiddo. I am just curious as too why it bugs you? Do you have airport issues?"

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Well sweatheart as you say let us look at some of posts here-

-""well "teh" spell man...""-

Funny, your mistyping of teh was not in a quote, but how exactly is that a personal attack, explain to all our readers

-"You have shown nothing but a lack of understanding which does not suprise me after reading all of your posts here. "-

All of your posts did show a lack of understanding, you even noted it yourself if your "obtuse" ref. How is a lack of understanding a personal attack? I do not understand heart surgery, but I would not see it as a personal attack if the doc told me so.

-"constant use of you favorites "kiddo" and "kid""-

Kid, I call everyone kid, and have for years, it has long been a favourite of mine, since college.

While you might find something patronising, doing such does not make a personal attack

-""people like you, simpletons if you will,""-

Being a simpleton is not really a pejoritive[sic] but a ephamism for uneducated, which you are on the subject.

-""look out from your RJ window (that is the round thing made of glass and plastic""-

Ditto, where is the profanity or personal attack?????

-""I would type slower if I could HAHA.""-

I refer the right honourable gentleman to the response I gave some moments ago. Many times when speaking in technically jargon people speak too fast, have you never heard of such things?

-""Sorry kiddo. I am just curious as too why it bugs you? Do you have airport issues?""-

And the question stands, why do the unfinshed construction issues at Terminal A bother you, do you have airport issues?

No profanity, attacks on you personally. No casting aspersions [sic]

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