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I grew up near Hillcroft and Beltway 8 which is now the intersection of the FB Toll Road and 2 miles up home of the Hwy 90 expressway that will go all the past Sugar Land with no stop lights

we've had buying power for years but for one reason or another businesses never developed the area once the 80s dried up as older businessed died for one reason or another

but with the south half of Highway 6 developing with no real merchants except for Walgreens, etc. and the longetivity of the neighborhoods in the area along with the the FB Toll Road's access to Main and Downtown...retailers have begun to take notice..

I go to the parents house one day in 2006 and at the corner of BW8 and Hillcroft is a Home Depot sign with strip centers and restaurants coming soon.....it's 2007 and the Home Depot has arrived, NTB opened, Washington Mutual and several other national restautant chains such as Chili's which was damn near unheard of at the time in my area

New Quest has the land across the street and will most likely run the gas station off and develop that big parcel also...

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when I lived off 249 and 1960..I liked the HEB but was mad when they snatched it away and the only option was Tomball's which was too crowded when they finally renovated it. The HEB Urban Concept plan was a disaster as none of the stores in urban areas modeled after Gulfgate came to fruition because Acres Homes was planned for one and I was going to shop there...

At least its finally coming back...but as for the other stuff...typical cookie cutter stuff....unless your area never had much it's not going to be the big draw they think

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i think the reason y vintage park is getting a lot of hype is due to the developer's rep. borlingi who is doing vintage has also done uptown park phase 1&2, montebello, granduca, etc.. high end stuff.

in the beginning there was speculation that the now heb was going to be a central market, this can still be a possibility. if heb does well there is talk that it will be converted to central market just depends on money..profit. a friend of mine works at the firm that works on this project and there are def. mixed feelings on the project. but he says most, like 85% feel it's ugly, lol but i think the style of this center will attract people and would probably be a hit. i mean anything new is typically a hit....

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I'm excited about the project. A suggestion for the developers regarding landscaping. Rather than cheezy palm trees, they ought to plant Cypress trees. Cypress trees are found in the Mediterranean and it would blend in better.

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I'm excited about the project. A suggestion for the developers regarding landscaping. Rather than cheezy palm trees, they out to plant Cypress trees. Cypress trees are found in the Mediterranean and it would blend in better.

i'll find out tomorrow what they plan on doing landscape wise. if they aren't def. on the palm trees i'll let them know bout ur cypress trees.....u never know it could happen :)

i know for uptown park phase 1 the magnolia trees were having a hard time surviving due to the heat and great amount of concrete and not enough water for the trees :( this was a concern of borlingi's for phase 2.....

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Outside of the Tomball location and not sure if the Klein one remained open....why not go on and make it a central market to anchor the area? Your going to need a landmark to get folks consistently coming back..grocery stores are the right draw

the rest of the stores I can find closer to 1960 if I need ot get in and out...people are more loyal to grocery stores

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I agree. I think it should be a central market. There's already an HEB on Louetta about 4 miles down. In all of Houston, there is only one Central Market besides the one in the woodlands (which is half HEB).

Outside of the Tomball location and not sure if the Klein one remained open....why not go on and make it a central market to anchor the area? Your going to need a landmark to get folks consistently coming back..grocery stores are the right draw

the rest of the stores I can find closer to 1960 if I need ot get in and out...people are more loyal to grocery stores

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Would like a Central Market, but if they make it a hybrid, they need to call it "Vintage Market".

To demonstrate how much we like HEB, we drive all the way from Longwood to the Klein HEB at Louetta & Steubner. They've got a better Cafe on the Run than the Woodlands Market location. It'll be nice to have a closer store (even better if its a Central Market).

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if I'm develping a multi-million dollar project, why not throw in all the bells and whistles?...a Central Market will create the immediate buzz they're seeking

I'm not a soup and salad guy but when I tried their salad bar at Central Market I was impressed

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Same here. I was impressed too.

if I'm develping a multi-million dollar project, why not throw in all the bells and whistles?...a Central Market will create the immediate buzz they're seeking

I'm not a soup and salad guy but when I tried their salad bar at Central Market I was impressed

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it's true what some say in y not throw in all the bells and whistles for this project, but from a business perspective i think they are concerned w/ the demographic. currently they feel it may be too risky to put in a central market. if not enough patrons buy from central market they will lose business for this "mulit-million" dollar project. so they are going to go the safe route and put in heb first. however, like i stated earlier if heb proves to be a sucess then there is talk that they would change it to a central market. i agree w/ their decision on this cuz on average i tend to hear people already complain about randall's prices :rolleyes:

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I actually prefer the hybrid markets. I love all of the amenities (cafe, butcher, seafood market) that Central Market has to offer, but I've noticed that since they tilt so heavily toward stocking "gourmet" brands, when I'm just looking for regular, everyday brands on many things, they don't sell them or they're stocked in much smaller quantities.

I love trying new and different brands/foods, but more often than not, a common brand is more than sufficient. The hybrid markets give a good mix of both.

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The Grocery biz does neighborhood pricing, based on area demographics. The suburbs in this area have fairly strong and deep demographics. Take a look sometime at the disparity of prices here vs. prices in the city. You pay more out here. I was suprised at how much more we pay at Randall's and Kroger Signature stores than at their stores inside the city. The Longwood Kroger even costs more than the West U Kroger on Buffalo Speedway.

HEB on the other hand, consistently has lower prices and a better overall product in terms of quality.

When you look at how many Central Market stores they've got in Dallas/FW, Austin, and San Antonio, one wonders why they've been so scared to expand in the Houston market beyond their one store? I think HEB would find that there wouldn't be any sticker shock, rather, customers would find more value. Given the same prices, would you rather buy a filet mignon from Kroger or Central Market?

There are lots of BBQ grills in the far NW waiting on the more interesting things that Central Market has to offer.

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can't figure it out but alot of businesses usually skip or don't put as much emphasis in the Houston area...cannot understand it...

We lose 7-11 but it's everywhere else, Dallas has more "concept" restaurants while we get the basics

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unfortunately no, none of the trees could really be saved due to the amount of parking needed for this project.

if you were to keep trees that would be difficult since trees are random, and this has a planned layout for parking, etc.

plus this is all tilt wall so you need to have easy access for the cranes to lift up these panels.

in uptown park phase 2 this was a minor issue due to distance of the buildings to the back fence and power lines. however, in phase 2 there was this old oak tree that borlingi wanted to save and it did get saved.

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That's Section 2, I'm not sure what's going to take up the largest block there, but a Hotel is slated for the inside corner.

For comparison's sake, it looks like they tore up The Woodlands Market Street pretty good too when they were constructing that project:

Satellite Photo of Woodlands Market St. During Construction

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I ate at Carvel/Cinnabon once on 1960.....it's regular ice cream to me and I recommend the mall Cinnabons instead...

I thought most of the Cinnabon stores closed?

RC is pretty awesome, but I think a good deal more expensive than Taste of Texas.

I hear their salad bar is phenomenal.

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Randalls is different than Kroger and HEBin that respect. There is only one add for all Tom Thumb/Randalls while Kroger and HEB ads vary area to area. At one time I was getting 2 different HEB ads and 2 different Kroger ads in the mail. One was from the Tomball area in the mail and the other was from The Woodlands area in the paper.

I know Randalls have the same price points because I shop there with a list from the Grocery Game website/coupons and the list is for all TT/Randalls stores.

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That's Section 2, I'm not sure what's going to take up the largest block there, but a Hotel is slated for the inside corner.

For comparison's sake, it looks like they tore up The Woodlands Market Street pretty good too when they were constructing that project:

Satellite Photo of Woodlands Market St. During Construction

It looks like they saved some along the roads, instead of clear cutting it all.

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Here is another restaurant that looks to be confirmed in Vintage Park.

http://www.peri-perigrill.com/

FYI if anyone is interested in this Peri-Peri restaurant:

I actually spoke to the guy that is opening it and it sounds pretty cool. He used to own Paul's Pizza Shop, but says it is going to be an upscale South African themed 2 story restaurant with an expensive wine room and occasionally featuring a jazz band. There is a South African themed spice called Peri-Peri that will be the main ingredient used on many of their chicken, steak and seafood dishes. Said he thought lunch entrees would run around $7 -$10 and probably $20+ for dinner entrees. He said 8000sf, though I thought the Vintage Park website had a smaller amount listed... Expected the website to get updated in about 60 days and to open the restaurant in March 2008 or so...

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FYI if anyone is interested in this Peri-Peri restaurant:

I actually spoke to the guy that is opening it and it sounds pretty cool. He used to own Paul's Pizza Shop, but says it is going to be an upscale South African themed 2 story restaurant with an expensive wine room and occasionally featuring a jazz band. There is a South African themed spice called Peri-Peri that will be the main ingredient used on many of their chicken, steak and seafood dishes. Said he thought lunch entrees would run around $7 -$10 and probably $20+ for dinner entrees. He said 8000sf, though I thought the Vintage Park website had a smaller amount listed... Expected the website to get updated in about 60 days and to open the restaurant in March 2008 or so...

Another restaurant was added to the site today - Potbelly... Here is the menu from the Woodlands location. Still not too blown away by any of the restaurants joining vintage park...

http://www.potbelly.com/DownloadForms/PB_FaxMenu_089.pdf

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I'm not even sure what a Med Spa is. I drove by there last week, and it doesn't look like they described it in the ads. I was expecting something a lot more... authentic? It just looks like another pre-fab upscale development with no character. Then again, it's been a long time since anyone in Houston cared about that.

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Looking at this location to open up Mi Lunas but i am just not too sure about this town center. No major retailers n restaurants have signed up at this place yet besides Victoria Secret, why?? Town center looks beautiful but it just concerns me when no national retailers are around it yet. Please someone explain to me why Mi Lunas would do good here n why it wouldnt. Anyone familiar with that location please help me out, thanks.

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Looking at this location to open up Mi Lunas but i am just not too sure about this town center. No major retailers n restaurants have signed up at this place yet besides Victoria Secret, why?? Town center looks beautiful but it just concerns me when no national retailers are around it yet. Please someone explain to me why Mi Lunas would do good here n why it wouldnt. Anyone familiar with that location please help me out, thanks.

This area is hungry for more GOOD restaurants and entertainment. I for one love Mi Lunas and enjoy the Rice Village location, I would go more but it's too far away. I wouldn't be concerned about Vintage Park, because it is going to be a major hit. You've got a large built-in market with great demographics in either direction for miles from Cypress to Spring, Champions to Klein/Tomball. Very little competition in your segment, people here want more good 'inside-the-loop' type restaurants. I've spoken to many people around here who are anxious to see this place open. It will become ground zero for dining and entertainment in the area. As far as national retailers, I'm confused as to why they've been mum on announcements. I'm not sure what CBRE is doing, it should be a very easy sell. I drove by there yesterday and it looks really beautiful.

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