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Council rejects Chick-fil-A request for exemption from Houston sign code


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24 minutes ago, corbs315 said:

In classic Chronicle fashion, the main picture in the article is of a Raising Cane's.

The picture was showing other fast food places in the same center, which, presumably, had their signs erected before the ordinance was updated. The second picture shows the Chick-fil-a

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37 minutes ago, kennyc05 said:

I was confused about the airport corridor ordinance when it came out what makes it different than ordinance on any other freeway? 

So, the airport corridor ordinance applies to the highways marked in red (below), and in addition to limiting the height of new signs, they also pledge to remove abandon signs off the freeway (which as we know is a lot). I think the removal of abandoned signs is a huge benefit, however, since it passed I haven't seen much of done. 

https://www.houstontx.gov/council/committees/qol/20200722/Sign-Code-Airport-Corridor.pdf

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39 minutes ago, Amlaham said:

So, the airport corridor ordinance applies to the highways marked in red (below), and in addition to limiting the height of new signs, they also pledge to remove abandon signs off the freeway (which as we know is a lot). I think the removal of abandoned signs is a huge benefit, however, since it passed I haven't seen much of done. 

https://www.houstontx.gov/council/committees/qol/20200722/Sign-Code-Airport-Corridor.pdf

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What is the dotted line on the Eastex Freeway?

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19 minutes ago, Blue Dogs said:

How big of a deal is this ?

Well, they passed a law and then upheld it.

I guess big to some, no news to others.

For me, it's nice to show that they are committed.  It is something one hears from most visitors, the inner core of the City is quite nice now, but getting here from the airports is quite the eyesore.

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20 minutes ago, mattyt36 said:

What is the dotted line on the Eastex Freeway?

Sorry, should have included the entire picture, but it looks like that section requires Harris county action? Not sure what that exactly means, maybe because its technically Houston Unincorporated area (Airline, Texas). Not fully sure though. 

 

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15 minutes ago, mattyt36 said:

Well, they passed a law and then upheld it.

I guess big to some, no news to others.

For me, it's nice to show that they are committed.  It is something one hears from most visitors, the inner core of the City is quite nice now, but getting here from the airports is quite the eyesore.

 

I completely agree! Houston's inner core has changed completely for better! Many areas I would even consider "beautiful," but mannnn that drive on i45 from Hobby or Bush is a nightmare. We look like that famous meme: 

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10 hours ago, Ross said:

The picture was showing other fast food places in the same center, which, presumably, had their signs erected before the ordinance was updated. The second picture shows the Chick-fil-a

sure. doesn't make it any less hilarious.

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13 hours ago, Amlaham said:

Sorry, should have included the entire picture, but it looks like that section requires Harris county action? Not sure what that exactly means, maybe because its technically Houston Unincorporated area (Airline, Texas). Not fully sure though. 

 

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I completely agree! Houston's inner core has changed completely for better! Many areas I would even consider "beautiful," but mannnn that drive on i45 from Hobby or Bush is a nightmare. We look like that famous meme: 

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The magic of photography is always fascinating.  Below is the streetview for this location.  Seems much more ordinary without the camera sorcery.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2387786,-84.5932101,3a,75y,331h,82.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sC7Yi7a5cGggkPop16ePDmA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

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8 hours ago, august948 said:

The magic of photography is always fascinating.  Below is the streetview for this location.  Seems much more ordinary without the camera sorcery.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2387786,-84.5932101,3a,75y,331h,82.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sC7Yi7a5cGggkPop16ePDmA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

I had a feeling you would comment. I already figured out your arguments/views by now. Care little to none about pedestrian experience, no point of bringing buildings closer to the streets, no point in removing cluttered billboards/ signs. Your arguments are always sided with businesses that can......afford a more proactive design/layout. You legit only care about a car's perspective and nothing else.....which is actually the main point of the meme. People like you, only care about their OWN experiences and nothing about anyone else's experience; especially not from a pedestrian or cyclist. Even as a car driver, idk what the obsession is with having giant advertising signs at every meter? All it does is create distraction and make our streets look like a drive thru Facebook advertisement page. There is literally thousands of research that prove that YOUR type of street design is doing nothing for the community besides providing a business itself.....the bare minimum. 

 https://hbr.org/2020/01/advertising-makes-us-unhappy

 Great video that explains urban design, skip to 4:15 if you want to get straight to the point.

Lastly, the magic of being set in one's old ways is always fascinating. Below are streetviews that relate to the meme above. Seems much more ordinary and relevant than your opinionated sorcery. 

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1 hour ago, Amlaham said:

I had a feeling you would comment. I already figured out your arguments/views by now. Care little to none about pedestrian experience, no point of bringing buildings closer to the streets, no point in removing cluttered billboards/ signs. Your arguments are always sided with businesses that can......afford a more proactive design/layout. You legit only care about a car's perspective and nothing else.....which is actually the main point of the meme. People like you, only care about their OWN experiences and nothing about anyone else's experience; especially not from a pedestrian or cyclist. Even as a car driver, idk what the obsession is with having giant advertising signs at every meter? All it does is create distraction and make our streets look like a drive thru Facebook advertisement page. There is literally thousands of research that prove that YOUR type of street design is doing nothing for the community besides providing a business itself.....the bare minimum. 

 https://hbr.org/2020/01/advertising-makes-us-unhappy

 Great video that explains urban design, skip to 4:15 if you want to get straight to the point.

Lastly, the magic of being set in one's old ways is always fascinating. Below are streetviews that relate to the meme above. Seems much more ordinary and relevant than your opinionated sorcery. 

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"Opinionated sorcery"

DAMN . . . why didn't I come up with that?!  🤣

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1 hour ago, Amlaham said:

I had a feeling you would comment. I already figured out your arguments/views by now. Care little to none about pedestrian experience, no point of bringing buildings closer to the streets, no point in removing cluttered billboards/ signs. Your arguments are always sided with businesses that can......afford a more proactive design/layout. You legit only care about a car's perspective and nothing else.....which is actually the main point of the meme. People like you, only care about their OWN experiences and nothing about anyone else's experience; especially not from a pedestrian or cyclist. Even as a car driver, idk what the obsession is with having giant advertising signs at every meter? All it does is create distraction and make our streets look like a drive thru Facebook advertisement page. There is literally thousands of research that prove that YOUR type of street design is doing nothing for the community besides providing a business itself.....the bare minimum. 

 https://hbr.org/2020/01/advertising-makes-us-unhappy

 Great video that explains urban design, skip to 4:15 if you want to get straight to the point.

Lastly, the magic of being set in one's old ways is always fascinating. Below are streetviews that relate to the meme above. Seems much more ordinary and relevant than your opinionated sorcery. 

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It's not really an argument in favor of cluttered signage as much as a commentary on photographic distortion of reality of random street in the suburbs of Cincinnati.

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14 minutes ago, august948 said:

Because it's an empty and meaningless, knee-jerk ad hominem attack?  😜

I'll go with the vivid imagery.  Figurative language is so fun.  I'm filing it away!  Amalham, send me your address for the royalty checks!

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32 minutes ago, kennyc05 said:

I wish the city would have went a extra step and banned signage on poles similar to Sugar Land.

I believe that's a restriction imposed by the master planned community, not the city.

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26 minutes ago, august948 said:

I believe that's a restriction imposed by the master planned community, not the city.

Wrong, not surprised, the CITY imposed these restrictions not the master planned communities. You do realize there are dozens of master planned communities in Sugar Land, you think they all uniformly agreed on the same restrictions and control the design of the major thoroughfare? 

https://www.sugarlandtx.gov/DocumentCenter/View/10260/FINAL_SIGN-REG?bidId=

 

 

 

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Yeah I thought it was the city too

6 minutes ago, Amlaham said:

Wrong, not surprised, the CITY imposed these restrictions not the master planned communities. You do realize there are dozens of master planned communities in Sugar Land, you think they all uniformly agreed on the same restrictions and control the design of the major thoroughfare? 

https://www.sugarlandtx.gov/DocumentCenter/View/10260/FINAL_SIGN-REG?bidId=

 

 

 

Yeah I thought it was the city too.

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23 minutes ago, Amlaham said:

Wrong, not surprised, the CITY imposed these restrictions not the master planned communities. You do realize there are dozens of master planned communities in Sugar Land, you think they all uniformly agreed on the same restrictions and control the design of the major thoroughfare? 

https://www.sugarlandtx.gov/DocumentCenter/View/10260/FINAL_SIGN-REG?bidId=

 

 

 

Well then, I stand corrected.  Master planned communities in recent years all seem to have similar signage restrictions regardless of where they are located.  I suspect, however, it wasn't so much the city that imposed these restrictions as the developers pushing them. 

Regardless, I'm glad to see such support for suburban development on this forum.

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