Talbot Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 It's about time a box store developer goes pedestrian friendly. Although target is pretty good with suggestions. Unlike a Wal-Mart.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htowngirl Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 From HBJ: Developer assembles 12 separate tracts for new retail centerJennifer DawsonHouston Business JournalProperty Commerce closed on a dozen separate land purchase transactions on Oct. 29 to piece together a 24-acre retail center site just outside of downtown Houston. Sawyer Heights Village will occupy mostly former industrial land on the south side of Interstate 10, east of Studemont and just west of Taylor/Sawyer. A Target store will anchor the lifestyle center, which has space for several other retailers such as banks, restaurants and apparel stores. Chad Moss, a broker with Property Commerce, says Sawyer Heights Village is a significant deal, even for the prolific Houston-based retail developer, which handles all of the Target and Home Depot developments in the area. "This will be one of the highest profile deals we've ever developed in our 28-year history," Moss says. The company had a party this week at Pappas Steakhouse for the 50 or so people who worked on the complicated deal. Construction is expected to begin on Sawyer Heights Village in early 2005 and begin opening in 2006. Property Commerce was represented by Moss on most of the recent land transactions. Jose Porth of International Realty Group assisted the developer in buying some residential properties that will be razed for the project. None of the 12 individual landowners used a broker on their deals, Moss says. A large chunk of the property was acquired from the Verandah Cos., which two years ago bought the land to build an upscale multifamily complex. Verandah cleared the site where Bowen Tool Co. used to operate before scrapping residential development plans altogether. Terms of the land transactions were not disclosed. "The land's very expensive there," Moss says. "It's 'inside the Loop' prices." Target bought its own land in connection with Property Commerce's acquisitions two weeks ago. While the national retailer will own the land, Property Commerce expects to ground lease to other tenants that will construct their own buildings. "We've had tremendous interest from sit-down restaurants," Moss says. "We've had great interest from many national retailers. Banks are going nuts on this site." The property is situated near quite a bit of new residential development, including high-density homes around downtown, Midtown and The Heights. Moss says it was a feat to put together this much land for a close-in retail project. In fact, it could have been a larger project if the developer had been able to buy a few random pieces of land that the development will now have to snake around. "You can't assemble 24 acres inside the Loop," Moss says. "It doesn't exist." Sawyer Heights Village will be an urban shopping center, similar in style to Highland Village and Town & Country Villages, Moss says. The developer is turning Taylor/Sawyer into a heavily landscaped boulevard with brick roadways, and has designs to make the entire project pedestrian-friendly, Moss says. The project also will be a little more driver-friendly after some work is done by the Texas Department of Transportation. I-10 does not have a south side service road linking Studemont to Taylor. However, the road has been planned and is expected to begin construction by early 2008, Moss says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC Texan2 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 This is a great addition to the neighborhood and should support the continued growth of the Heights, the Washington corridor and downtown. The Washington corridor, in particular, could lose some of its urban wasteland feel through the addition of the retail in this development. I have yet to hear anything convincing about the design of the center, but at least they are saying the right things. I really like that Target has already bought the land, which indicates very serious interest on their end. On the other hand, I really hate the idea of extending the service road. Why do we have to have service roads, anyway? This city is absolutely obsessed with them in a way that no other city I know of is, and I liked living in an area without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 From HBJ: Jose Porth of International Realty Group assisted the developer in buying some residential properties that will be razed for the project.This being a very old part of Houston, it seems likely that a least a few of these houses would contribute to the 6th Ward or some of the older parts of the Heights as infill. Perhaps they could be moved rather than demolished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jookyhc Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 From the Woodland Heights Assn. Website www.woodland-heights.org:Construction is scheduled to commence approximately in March 2005. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Anyone heard anything new about this Target? I'm going to be priced out of the neighborhood by the time the ribbon gets cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 This is great. I won't have to go to the Target at San Felipe and I-610 anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rps324 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 This being a very old part of Houston, it seems likely that a least a few of these houses would contribute to the 6th Ward or some of the older parts of the Heights as infill. Perhaps they could be moved rather than demolished.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am not sure of the boundaries, but I don't think there are any houses over where they are putting this, just warehouses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehan Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Does anyone have a map of the boundaries for this project?I'm familiar with the area, but I just wanted to know which buildings are going to be demolished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 A section of the buildings are alread cleared. A few more need to go. I need to pass by this weekend and look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbaNerd Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Here is the site plan, if anyone wanted it: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Another crap project.How in the hell did this project get so much surface parking approved right next to the bayou? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 I really hate these big "lifestyle centers" with stores scattered over acres of parking. It really discourages walking between stores. You see people get in their car and drive to the other end of the parking lot to go to another store or Applebees or whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalparadise Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 I really hate these big "lifestyle centers" with stores scattered over acres of parking. It really discourages walking between stores. You see people get in their car and drive to the other end of the parking lot to go to another store or Applebees or whatnot.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Although this was called a "lifestyle center" by the reporter, it looks more like a "power center" to me. The Lifestyle center that really looks interesting to me is the proposed Parks at Boulder Creek in Pearland. The "lifestyle" here calls for a pedestrian environment, townhomes on the property, two midrise office buildings, a waterway and retailers such as Williams-Sonoma, Virgin, Banana Republic, etc. It's sort of a mini-Woodlands Town Center/Market Street, by my estimation. That's closer to the lifestyle center idea, at least as I understand it.Also, the parking for Parks at Boulder Creek seems to be garages or back-of-the-property stuff -- not on the Pearland Parkway -- cool. I'm sorry I don't have any drawings or links. I've only seen drawings in trade magazines. One caveat -- It's a Jefco development -- they of the Portofino Center in Conroe. Let's hope they use the same sense of grandeur, but a heightened sense of style in the Pearland development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Actually, that is a lot less parking that I would envision for a development of that size.It's probably the bare minimum. Also, the city will require the planting of trees throughout the project like the Kroger on Buffalo Speedway and US 59.Some of those trees were existing, but many or new as required by the city for new developments with large parking areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorAggie Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Well, I was under the impression from those who drink the Target-is-much-better-than-Walmart-for-urban-development Kool-Aid that this project would have a much better design. It's not much different than the Target development near 290/Barker Cypress.With that said, they must be planning on several restaurants and big-time retailers with the lay-out of the parking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Good point GovernorAggie. Where is that pro-urban Target attitude that people talk about. Wal-Mart had build facilities just like the above. The good thing is that I would rather go to this Target than the one on San Felipe by the West Loop that I go to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Also, I looked at the aerial photo for the site. It seems they are keeping most of the site in tacked as for as the platting goes. Other than the one road they are going to have abandoned.True the site plan is not in a generall pro-urban concept, but it seems no neighborhood jumped in to voice their opinions. Also, the placing of a typical commercial site on abandoned warehouses is better than nothing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentO Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Here's the Google Maps satellite photo of the site, and it corresponds to the site plans. Helpful for those of us who aren't so familiar with the specific warehouses:Google Satellite Map Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Professional Hornblower Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 This new Target will really add urban vibrancy to the neighborhood. They could do a mixed-use project- perhaps a loft above the "electronics department", a law office above the "planted pots", or a penthouse suite above the entry canopy. This would really encourage interaction and a livability quality not felt since the mid 1940's. A Kohls or a Mervyns would have definetly stopped all momentum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentO Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 They could do a mixed-use project- perhaps a loft above the "electronics department", a law office above the "planted pots", or a penthouse suite above the entry canopy.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well, this is Houston - think more along the lines of a strip club above the lingerie department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeightsGuy Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I am one of the target lovers that looks at this plat and says "why?", but they haven't come close to breaking ground, a lot can change in the eventual design between now and then even if the big pieces are set. One thing is for sure though, there is a lot more land around this site that could potentially be flipped from light industrial to other uses. I predict a lot of activity in that area over the next 10 years, and I think it could become the natural choice for a concentrated retail center ala Rice Village. Before you laugh me off take a look at demographic shift in the general area: Heights has always been there and has starved for this for a long time indeed, plus the activity in the 6th ward, West End, etc. and you start to see why Target is going in in the 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 $50 this one looks like the one on South Main.Not that there is anything wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest danax Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I am one of the target lovers that looks at this plat and says "why?", but they haven't come close to breaking ground, a lot can change in the eventual design between now and then even if the big pieces are set. One thing is for sure though, there is a lot more land around this site that could potentially be flipped from light industrial to other uses. I predict a lot of activity in that area over the next 10 years, and I think it could become the natural choice for a concentrated retail center ala Rice Village. Before you laugh me off take a look at demographic shift in the general area: Heights has always been there and has starved for this for a long time indeed, plus the activity in the 6th ward, West End, etc. and you start to see why Target is going in in the 1st place.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>I agree. This is a natural step towards the conversion of that light industrial to retail and residential. First the townhouses en masse, then some conversions/tear downs of old small commercial to newer strip centers and free standing retail and then the larger shopping center that require an established demographic before they build. This seems to be the natural progression. It's really more Rice Military than Heights to me, being south of I-10. So I think this is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbaNerd Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Sure, the first step may lead to a bit of a stumble, but..we may eventually be running with this thing. I hope this starts some good stuff up for that area! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Seriously, we need to raise our collective expectations.This design will only encourage all new development in the area to provide the same "amenities" such as surface parking and drive thru pod sites.At the VERY least, the developers should have considered the site's high visibility from I-10 and proximity to the bayou and built a parking garage.Additionally, if you look at the retailers that tend to follow Target in these type of commercial developments, I see very little to be excited about. This site will be filled with a drive-thru CVS/Walgreens, 1 or 2 drive thru bank branches, likely drive thru fast food joints, and some Applebees type restaurant chains.Whoopy doo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 yea, maybe they should put a museum in the parking lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Yeah, because god forbid if an Applebee's or a fast food restaurant wanted a good location that can make some money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trophy Property Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Here's the Google Maps satellite photo of the site, and it corresponds to the site plans. Helpful for those of us who aren't so familiar with the specific warehouses:Google Satellite Map<{POST_SNAPBACK}>I never knew Google offered that information. That is really cool. Especially if you are looking at land to develop. Aerial photography can be very expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbaNerd Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Seriously, we need to raise our collective expectations.This design will only encourage all new development in the area to provide the same "amenities" such as surface parking and drive thru pod sites.At the VERY least, the developers should have considered the site's high visibility from I-10 and proximity to the bayou and built a parking garage.Additionally, if you look at the retailers that tend to follow Target in these type of commercial developments, I see very little to be excited about. This site will be filled with a drive-thru CVS/Walgreens, 1 or 2 drive thru bank branches, likely drive thru fast food joints, and some Applebees type restaurant chains.Whoopy doo.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>A decent example of this type of development is that AMREIT thingy at Westgreen/I-10. Sure, it has tons of parking, but, at least it looks interesting from the highway(not that it's beautiful..). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 Overall Im dissapointed that this wasnt more of a urban design statement for Target - which I think of as a more progressive company than WAL-MART, but its clear that Target takes little time or money to really examine the issue of urban planning and true pedestrian "walk-able" shopping areas. But then they arent totally to blame are they? Its the developer who should be stopped or cautioned about doing this - as planned.Clearly their idea of a pedestrian shopping center is one that allows people to walk from car to shop, then to car again, then move car, then go from car to another shop. No point in walking when you can park 400 feet from the door. Then walk 400 feet back to your car, then drive 200 feet to a shady/"closer" place - by the next shop - and then walk 200 feet to the shop...... then get back in your car...... then park...... then.... park.... then..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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