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The MLS Stadium Poll

Where to put the stadium?  

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  1. 1. MLS Stadium

    • Downtown (Other side of US 59 from Minute Maid Field.
      24
    • Buffalo Bayou Plan
      12
    • Delmar Area
      11
    • Former Astroworld Site
      10
    • Other
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Good poll with good choices, but if you vote "OTHER", please tell us where.

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Other - Keep it at UH's Robertson Stadium.

Why spend taxpayer $$$ to build ANOTHER stadium, when the perfect stadium already exists:

1) Perfect size for MLS (32,000)

2) Central location

3) IT'S PAID FOR!!!

The ONLY problem I see with Robertson is the parking situation, but that would be resolved with a proposed parking garage at Scott and Holman.

Unless a new stadium can be built WITHOUT public $$$, we need to use the existing Robertson Stadium. Spend a few $$$ on renovations rather than tens of millions on a brand new stadium.

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Other - Keep it at UH's Robertson Stadium.

Why spend taxpayer $$$ to build ANOTHER stadium, when the perfect stadium already exists:

1) Perfect size for MLS (32,000)

2) Central location

3) IT'S PAID FOR!!!

The ONLY problem I see with Robertson is the parking situation, but that would be resolved with a proposed parking garage at Scott and Holman.

Unless a new stadium can be built WITHOUT public $$$, we need to use the existing Robertson Stadium. Spend a few $$$ on renovations rather than tens of millions on a brand new stadium.

I just hope the MLS waits until after the end of the 2006 season to decide on the stadium. Test the waters. Check out da fan support first. If the team is a big splash in Houston, Downtown would be the deserving spot.

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I think downtown is out of the question. I think they're going for the Delmar site.

Hopefully not the Delmar site. That would entail a "public/private partnership" which is a palatable way to say they want HISD to help pay for their stadium. I can't believe they'd even have the nerve to ask.

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They have 3 seasons to decide if UH is going to work out or if they want to build new elsewhere. Robertson seems ideal but I'm still betting on Delmar in the end. As far as our tax $$ go, anyone who lives in Houston knows we have no say. If the team owners want it bad enough, we ALWAYS end up footing the bill one way or the other.

B)

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They have 3 seasons to decide if UH is going to work out or if they want to build new elsewhere. Robertson seems ideal but I'm still betting on Delmar in the end. As far as our tax $$ go, anyone who lives in Houston knows we have no say. If the team owners want it bad enough, we ALWAYS end up footing the bill one way or the other.

B)

It's OBVIOUS that whatever's gonna be built will have a $80-$100 million dollar price tag on it. Might as well get the most out of our money have the team build a comfortable seating, rectractable roof stadium using European (preferably French) architects to make it one of a kind. We donate land to the team downtown, and let the team pick up the tab on building costs, so we don't spend as much. They get the money on the stadium through private investors. Possibly making even MORE money with stadium naming rights, like say, a luxury car company. PLUS, we host event there and make it profitable to the city.

No point in just spending tax cash. Might as well take ALL we can get.

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i would rather see it built along the buffalo bayou. I think that it could spur the a similar type of development near the bayou that was prompted by the minutemaid park/toyota center stadiums on the eastside of downtown. Perhaps some new retail, hotels, lofts, or even restaurant might develop around it and might help feature the bayou.

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Other - Keep it at UH's Robertson Stadium.

Why spend taxpayer $$$ to build ANOTHER stadium, when the perfect stadium already exists:

1) Perfect size for MLS (32,000)

2) Central location

3) IT'S PAID FOR!!!

The ONLY problem I see with Robertson is the parking situation, but that would be resolved with a proposed parking garage at Scott and Holman.

Unless a new stadium can be built WITHOUT public $$$, we need to use the existing Robertson Stadium. Spend a few $$$ on renovations rather than tens of millions on a brand new stadium.

Robertston is not perfect for soccer.

They are putting in Field Turf as part of the lease arrangement. That just about ruins it for soccer in the long term. The other problem is covered seating. UofH plays in the evenings in the fall. Not so bad, weatherwise. The MLS team will be playing from April through October and conditions will be much worse for spectators.

A soccer-specific stadium that features real grass and covered seating is the answer.

I agree with others that ideally tax money should not go toward this stadium but a partnership between the school district and the team similar to what is being done in Dallas means that both sides benefit.

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I agree with others that ideally tax money should not go toward this stadium but a partnership between the school district and the team similar to what is being done in Dallas means that both sides benefit.

I don't understand how people say that a partnership between a ISD and the team is not using tax money. Call it a partnership or whatever you like tax money will still be used to build the stadium. Call me silly but I thought school districts were in the business of education, not subsidizing soccer stadiums. :angry:

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I don't understand how people say that a partnership between a ISD and the team is not using tax money. Call it a partnership or whatever you like tax money will still be used to build the stadium. Call me silly but I thought school districts were in the business of education, not subsidizing soccer stadiums. :angry:

west,

I have to agree. If anyone thinks otherwise, I would be happy to mail them my HISD tax statement. It's due at the end of the month.

Any takers?

B)

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Robertston is not perfect for soccer.

They are putting in Field Turf as part of the lease arrangement. That just about ruins it for soccer in the long term. The other problem is covered seating. UofH plays in the evenings in the fall. Not so bad, weatherwise. The MLS team will be playing from April through October and conditions will be much worse for spectators.

A soccer-specific stadium that features real grass and covered seating is the answer.

I agree with others that ideally tax money should not go toward this stadium but a partnership between the school district and the team similar to what is being done in Dallas means that both sides benefit.

OK, maybe it's not perfect, but until someone comes up with another stadium deal that involves ZERO tax dollars, then it's the best option out there.

As for playing in the summertime, play the games at night and you won't need cover from the sun. Or...take an idea from the Romans and install some "retractable" fabric covers that would protect from the sun and rain.

Personally I think sports should be played in the elements...no domes, no retractable roof stadiums. It's fine to provide some cover for the fans, but I'm ashamed that Houston is home to baseball and football stadiums that are closed up and air-conditioned any time the weather is above 72 degrees.

Too many people look at baseball and football as social events rather than sporting events and of course you've got to look your best at a social event! :angry2: Let 'em sweat!!! [/rant]

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west,

I have to agree. If anyone thinks otherwise, I would be happy to mail them my HISD tax statement. It's due at the end of the month.

Any takers?

B)

How come you're paying so slow, deadbeat? :lol:

Seriously, I think schools should get out of the sports business altogether. Expand Pop Warner and Little League baseball to include high schoolers. AAU has good amateur programs. Let them take over.

I know, I know. It'll never happen. But, it should. Anyone who doesn't think it has been overdone, drive out to North Shore, Katy and Cy-Fair, look at their new stadiums (Hell, look at their OLD ones), and get back to me.

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How come you're paying so slow, deadbeat? :lol:

Seriously, I think schools should get out of the sports business altogether. Expand Pop Warner and Little League baseball to include high schoolers. AAU has good amateur programs. Let them take over.

I know, I know. It'll never happen. But, it should. Anyone who doesn't think it has been overdone, drive out to North Shore, Katy and Cy-Fair, look at their new stadiums (Hell, look at their OLD ones), and get back to me.

Funny you mentioned North Shore, I played against them in the OLD stadium, it was a complete joke. They did NEED new facilities. Their old locker room looked like something out of that movie "Hostel". I played in Stallworth stadium, which rivals some college stadiums still these days. I was fortunate. Katy football, well, continuously go to state finals a few times and money magically appears from boosters. I don't feel bad about N.Shore good fortune, they got an infusion of new money form wealthier families moving in that area, and it shows, they seem to have a decent team every year now, where as back in the 80's you couldn;t wait to play them because you knew it was gonna be an easy night. :lol:

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TJ, if you'd like a little education as to where the money for these stadiums comes from, I'll be more than happy to set up a night of drinking with my architect buddy, who used to work for one of the main architectural firms that designs these things. We'll even explain where the money that pushes the bond elections comes from.

(Hint: It aint from the boosters. ;) )

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TJ, if you'd like a little education as to where the money for these stadiums comes from, I'll be more than happy to set up a night of drinking with my architect buddy, who used to work for one of the main architectural firms that designs these things. We'll even explain where the money that pushes the bond elections comes from.

(Hint: It aint from the boosters. ;) )

Oh, I know where the money comes from, I should have put boosters in quotations "BOOSTERS". I will take you up on the night of drinking though.

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Oh, I know where the money comes from, I should have put boosters in quotations "BOOSTERS". I will take you up on the night of drinking though.

TJ -

What happened to the Babe on the Treadmill avatar...she must have more skidmarks on her knees than Monica Lewinsky!!

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Funny you mentioned North Shore, I played against them in the OLD stadium, it was a complete joke. They did NEED new facilities. Their old locker room looked like something out of that movie "Hostel". I played in Stallworth stadium, which rivals some college stadiums still these days. I was fortunate. Katy football, well, continuously go to state finals a few times and money magically appears from boosters. I don't feel bad about N.Shore good fortune, they got an infusion of new money form wealthier families moving in that area, and it shows, they seem to have a decent team every year now, where as back in the 80's you couldn;t wait to play them because you knew it was gonna be an easy night. :lol:

I live about 1/4 mile from North Shore High School. It is a great facility and has been selected to host a college bowl game in 2007!! It is called the Senior Classic Bowl which is made up of college senior players who are no longer eligible for NCAA football and did not declare for the draft or were not drafted. It is mainly for these players to been seen by Pro Football Scouts but it will be televised by ESPN. One of the organizers spoke to the North Shore Rotary about a month ago.

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TJ -

What happened to the Babe on the Treadmill avatar...she must have more skidmarks on her knees than Monica Lewinsky!!

ok, ok that makes 2 of y'all so I'll put her back on, if I can find her again.

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ok, ok that makes 2 of y'all so I'll put her back on, if I can find her again.

She's probably figured out how to use the treadmill by now. :D

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I like the "Robertson Stadium" idea for the first year or two, then work out something good.

I think the delmar plan will be most likely at least hearing the scuttlebutt from others.

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Robertson will not be used long term period..... the owners of the team came to Houston both for the potential fan base and to work on a deal for a stadium with partners.... they were using a college stadium in San Jose and couldn't get their own stadium there...

I think Delmar will be the place... I see nothing wrong with it as that stadium is currently a dump (I played there 13 years ago) and needs to be updated... so if a deal can be worked out with a sponsor and the MLS team then why not?? it'll only further fuel the redevelopment in this area and maybe something will finally be done with NW Mall..

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Robertston is not perfect for soccer.

They are putting in Field Turf as part of the lease arrangement. That just about ruins it for soccer in the long term. The other problem is covered seating. UofH plays in the evenings in the fall. Not so bad, weatherwise. The MLS team will be playing from April through October and conditions will be much worse for spectators.

A soccer-specific stadium that features real grass and covered seating is the answer.

FYI, it was announced today that Robertson Stadium will not be getting Field Turf...they're going to keep the natural grass. UH will use their payment (+/-$1,000,000) from the 1836 club to make other improvements at the stadium. Hopefully that includes lighting upgrades and press box upgrades. The article in today's Houston Chronicle said that Robertson will be getting locker room and concessions upgrades.

As I understand it, the current locker rooms are a shoe box at Robertson...and of course the concessions stands are what you'd expect in a WPA-built stadium (1941).

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FYI, it was announced today that Robertson Stadium will not be getting Field Turf...they're going to keep the natural grass. UH will use their payment (+/-$1,000,000) from the 1836 club to make other improvements at the stadium. Hopefully that includes lighting upgrades and press box upgrades. The article in today's Houston Chronicle said that Robertson will be getting locker room and concessions upgrades.

As I understand it, the current locker rooms are a shoe box at Robertson...and of course the concessions stands are what you'd expect in a WPA-built stadium (1941).

Yay! Field Turf, while a great improvement over AstroTurf, would be excruciatingly hot in the summer. Plus, UH needs to play on grass, not Turf. I'm sure FieldTurf was UH's idea, but I am glad they rethought it.

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The grass at Robertson is beautiful to mess with. Check it out in August to see the water cannons in full swing. They are awesome.

robertson-stadium-empty.jpg

UH has already installed the upgraded stadium lighting at Robertson (which was needed to satisfy the networks that televise night games), and I understand that a new video scoreboard is next up...it will apparently double the size of the existing video screen and improve its graphics quality.

There's also a rumor that the Dynamo are getting close to committing an additional $20 million to upgrade Robertson Stadium...if that's true, then there will be no SSS; Robertson would be the permanent home of MLS in Houston.

The money would allow upgrades to the press box and a new end zone facility (which would include administrative offices, locker rooms, seating, suites), and potentially allow for other improvements.

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I'm thinking about Downtown, inside 59, on the east side. Maybe right behind the Houston Pavilions, or wherever there are pointless parking lots. Build some garages for car parking instead. The next best thing is at the old Astroworld site, but I heard somebody has already bought that site.

I am sure a soccer stadium (17,000-25,000), could spur some more growth in Downtown. Retractable may not be feasible though (to much money, or no room), but it could happen.

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Honestly, I am already sick of the monster block stadiums on the east side of downtown. Let's work on trying to actually bring LIFE to the area.

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Honestly, I am already sick of the monster block stadiums on the east side of downtown. Let's work on trying to actually bring LIFE to the area.

Life has started with the Downtown Park and the Park Tower Houston. Houston Pavilions will help out, too, because it a part of it strecthes into Downtown's East Side. Another stadium wouldn't hurt (there are only 2).

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The best place for the soccer stadium is were the Astroworld plot lies. Build a state-of-the-art soccer stadium, with retail, resturants and condos.

I FINALLY went to my first Dynamo game this past weekend, and I had a blast. The fans made it fun, and the game was high impact. It's great being in a sports environment where the crowd makes a direct impact.

I think the Astroworld idea is a great one, and I think it would work. Reliant Park really could use an attraction there since the Astrodome is about to become a hotel, and they already have parking spaces. That being said, my friends and I drove through the area directly across the freeway from GRB and Toyota Center, and couldn't believe the fact that an area looked the way it did directly beside downtown. There NEEDS to be a redevelopment project there more than any other area in town. Why would the City of Houston want that area to be neglected?

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Why would the City of Houston want that area to be neglected?

They don't. That's why they backed the formation of a Management District. There is also a TIRZ back there that encompasses most (if not all) of the parking lots.

It'll be a slow revival. The Lofts at the Ballpark would've been a major financial flop if it hadn't been for TIRZ subsidy that got them through the slow lease-up period. Contrary to the intentions of the TIRZ, the lofts actually DISproved the market.

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They don't. That's why they backed the formation of a Management District. There is also a TIRZ back there that encompasses most (if not all) of the parking lots.

It'll be a slow revival. The Lofts at the Ballpark would've been a major financial flop if it hadn't been for TIRZ subsidy that got them through the slow lease-up period. Contrary to the intentions of the TIRZ, the lofts actually DISproved the market.

...then why wasn't that area part of the revitalization projects surrounding Minute Maid Park or Toyota Center, and how many more major conventions would GRB host if that area were an attraction? If I were TIRZ, I'd push for that MLS stadium there, plus a crazy urban development with retail and residential to go with it. Maybe even build a parking garage for both the Astros and Dynamo, and have the City of Houston sell some of the parking spaces downtown to high-rise retail/residental developers.

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Don't make the mistake of putting the stadium in the suburbs like FC Dallas did. The new stadium is by far the nicest stadium in the MLS but its on the opposite end of the earth from the latino fans in the south Dallas area. You can forget about Fort Worth people going to game. It would take a least an hour to drive out to Frisco from cowtown.

In my opinion, which means absolutely nothing, they should have put the stadium in Arlington with Jerry World and The Ballpark.

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Soccer is a junk science sport. Why watch a game when it could end up a tie. If your gonna build it do it on the north side for a change.

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Soccer is a junk science sport. Why watch a game when it could end up a tie. If your gonna build it do it on the north side for a change.

Soccer is not a sport. Soccer is THE sport. I'd like to see it either across from Reliant Stadium (either at the Texans practice site, or at the Astroworld site since development is DESPERATELY needed there), or across the freeway from MMP, because development is also DESPERATELY needed there. I can see a major attendance differance if they built there than if they built at Delmar.

I think they need to find an owner first before they pick a site. By the way, GO DYNAMO! Made it to the playoffs!

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Soccer is not a sport. Soccer is THE sport. I'd like to see it either across from Reliant Stadium (either at the Texans practice site, or at the Astroworld site since development is DESPERATELY needed there), or across the freeway from MMP, because development is also DESPERATELY needed there. I can see a major attendance differance if they built there than if they built at Delmar.

I think they need to find an owner first before they pick a site. By the way, GO DYNAMO! Made it to the playoffs!

DJV: Soccer is not THE sport in the United States of America. Now you know what THE sport is this country is. THE NFL! :wub:

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DJV: Soccer is not THE sport in the United States of America. Now you know what THE sport is this country is. THE NFL! :wub:

True for now, but the United States is a country, not a planet. In regards of planet Earth, soccer is the #1 sport. Not even sure if NFL-style football would be in the top 10 most played in the world outside the USA if a poll or study were done.

That being said, I love all sports in general :) And I LOVE the NFL, but not as much as international rugby. Now THAT'S hard-hitting action to me!

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There is a good article in this morning's Chronicle about other cities with Soccer specific stadiums, most attention is paid to Pizza Hut Park in Frisco, TX. I hope the Dynamo don't put too much stock into the talk that building a stadium and an arsenal of adjacent soccer fields for kids leagues is a suburban success story. I don't think building this stadium in the suburbs is the best solution in Houston. Dallas is different, they are more spread out, they don't have a strong central core. They have soccer in Frisco, football in Irving/Arlington, and baseball in Arlington, that's not the way we do it here.

I think the best solution is what they have done (are doing) in Columbus, OH. They were the first to build a soccer specific stadium (in town), now they are going further out and building a practice facility for the team with the arsenal of adjacent soccer fields. That sounds like the best model for Houston. Build an inner loop soccer specific stadium for all of Houston to enjoy (not just a suburb), and then build the practice facility and additional soccer fields in Sugar Land or Montgomery County.

If you're interested, here is the article.

Let's hear your thoughts.

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^^Best idea. Build the stadium in the "black hole" south of 610. Then, build the team's practice facility there, or in the Woodlands, Sugar Land, Katy, Cypress, etc.

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There is a good article in this morning's Chronicle about other cities with Soccer specific stadiums, most attention is paid to Pizza Hut Park in Frisco, TX. I hope the Dynamo don't put too much stock into the talk that building a stadium and an arsenal of adjacent soccer fields for kids leagues is a suburban success story. I don't think building this stadium in the suburbs is the best solution in Houston. Dallas is different, they are more spread out, they don't have a strong central core. They have soccer in Frisco, football in Irving/Arlington, and baseball in Arlington, that's not the way we do it here.

I think the best solution is what they have done (are doing) in Columbus, OH. They were the first to build a soccer specific stadium (in town), now they are going further out and building a practice facility for the team with the arsenal of adjacent soccer fields. That sounds like the best model for Houston. Build an inner loop soccer specific stadium for all of Houston to enjoy (not just a suburb), and then build the practice facility and additional soccer fields in Sugar Land or Montgomery County.

If you're interested, here is the article.

Let's hear your thoughts.

What I think we should EVENTUALLY build a semi-complex across 59 from GRB. The stadium (the biggest, best, and most innovative in MLS), with perhaps 3-5 fields around it or in the area for the community. Surround those fields with urban-style residential/retail high-rises and revitalization that would spread out all the way to I-45/Gulf Freeway, Scott/Sampson Street, the railroad track, and Congress Street (check out Google Maps to see what area I'm talking about.)

Also, build the 12+ practice fields for Dynamo and the community around a high school stadium such in Alief, Sugarland, Delmar, or an HISD school. It would help the market grow faster, and the fields would almost always be used. Check this clip out from the Chronicle...

Hunt Sports Group is considering partnerships with other area cities to develop and manage smaller soccer complexes; McGee believes the mega-complex combination of a stadium for the professional team and surrounding fields for developmental leagues is the way to go, providing an opportunity to host major national events.

I REALLY like the idea of developing smaller sports complexes, and since it's Houston, it wouldn't be as expensive. Instead of purchasing new land for these complexes, team up with the City of Houston and revitalize different parks with soccer fields already on them like in East End, Bayland Park on Bissonett, etc.

Building at Delmar would be bland, and building outside of Houston would be suicide for Dynamo. The fans here see Dynamo as a professional franchise, and if at the right central location, soccer will eventually grow in popularity here as the NBA and MLB have. If they're smart, they'd make a deal on the practice field complex within the next 3 years, and hold off on the new stadium for the next 5-6 years and work on attendance and local market growth. Instead of building a 20-25,000 seat stadium in a couple years, they could build a 35-40,000 seat stadium with lots of suites in the next decade and still have the stadium sell out. But this team needs to set the standard and not follow Dallas.

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^^Best idea. Build the stadium in the "black hole" south of 610. Then, build the team's practice facility there, or in the Woodlands, Sugar Land, Katy, Cypress, etc.

i think the 610 location is a great idea. However their plan to put fields next to the main field seems more practical with respect to cost. as many parking lots wont be needed if they are all colocated. If HISD gets involved, i'm sure it would be more feasible to convince constituents that colocation is better as well. Doing somelike like this in the near eastside seems more expensive due to land costs alone.

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