Bullman Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Can anyone tell me what is the name of the place behind Bike shop at Columbia and White Oak? I went to a party there before. Do they rent this place out? Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Can anyone tell me what is the name of the place behind Bike shop at Columbia and White Oak? I went to a party there before. Do they rent this place out? ThanksYes, they do.Indian Summer Lodge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullman Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Yes, they do.Indian Summer LodgeThank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerloop Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 And it's For Sale...<http://search.har.com/engine/dispSearch.cf...lumbia%20Dr> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3mh Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 It looks like this property changed hands recently and someone has demoed the Quonset hut on the front part of the property. No clue who the new owners are (just an LLC) or what the plans are for this property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerloop Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Demo is continuing. Here is a photo from White Oak. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerloop Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Not much is happening. Here is a view looking south from the bike trail. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3mh Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 It sure looks like this property and the Agricole project at the old Blue Line Bike Lab building are being developed together. Or it could just be that the two properties are letting one another cross the property line between them to make it easier to do the demo/construction work that is going on right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3mh Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 12/14/2020 at 11:36 AM, s3mh said: It sure looks like this property and the Agricole project at the old Blue Line Bike Lab building are being developed together. Or it could just be that the two properties are letting one another cross the property line between them to make it easier to do the demo/construction work that is going on right now. Two different developments. Both will be bars. https://www.theleadernews.com/real_estate/two-upcoming-bars-have-heights-neighbors-on-edge/article_d1a17fe8-5b45-11eb-9290-bbe2bad038f8.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, s3mh said: Two different developments. Both will be bars. https://www.theleadernews.com/real_estate/two-upcoming-bars-have-heights-neighbors-on-edge/article_d1a17fe8-5b45-11eb-9290-bbe2bad038f8.html And Nextdoor is blowing up with pleas to contact TABC and object to the alcohol license for at least one of them. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 poor babies. poor, whiny babies. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 12 hours ago, Texasota said: poor babies. poor, whiny babies. Yes, that's a large part of it. Their big complaint is they don't want live music within 50 blocks of their houses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 That parcel would apparently be better used for a parking garage with storage units on top to meet the neighborhood's needs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 The dude actually wrote the words, "music pollution" in his letter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3mh Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, gmac said: That parcel would apparently be better used for a parking garage with storage units on top to meet the neighborhood's needs. Touche' The complaints from the neighborhood are valid. This area is going to be even more of a hot mess cramming two bars on top of Coltivare. Having live music at a bar that is literally in people's backyards is just a big f u to the neighborhood. If I lived in one of those houses, I would go with the giant erect penis in the backyard to protest. Unfortunately, this all could be seen coming from miles away. When they went after the dry zone, it was obvious that parts of the Heights were going to get packed with bars. When these two bars open, there will be 18 bars and restaurants on about a half mile of White Oak from Handies down to the Ready Room and Mutiny Wine bar. And there will be more coming once the parking tower goes up. I guess the best counter argument to the neighborhood is that the two new bars will be tear drops in a salted sea. But I would not expect the neighborhood to just surrender even though the past votes to take away the dry zone were a big white flag. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8479323/New-York-man-erects-7ft-penis-yard-war-town.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 *rolls eyes* Yes, something on someone else's property is "literally in peoples backyards". Sure. White Oak has been a retail/restaurant/entertainment corridor for a long time. If you live within a block of that, there are certain benefits and compromises that come with that. Benefit: lots of stuff within walking distance Compromise: Additional noise and busier street parking. This is how cities work. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3mh Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Texasota said: *rolls eyes* Yes, something on someone else's property is "literally in peoples backyards". Sure. White Oak has been a retail/restaurant/entertainment corridor for a long time. If you live within a block of that, there are certain benefits and compromises that come with that. Benefit: lots of stuff within walking distance Compromise: Additional noise and busier street parking. This is how cities work. But if I put up my giant 7 foot erect penis on my property, causing the neighboring bar to lose business, is that ok? That would be one of those "benefits/burdens" of opening a bar that abuts single family residential buildings. You have the benefit of a quiet location instead of being on the feeder road or a strip mall. But you have to deal with whatever the neighbors are doing. I know this is a city with no zoning in a capitalist economy where the person with the biggest bag of money gets to do what they want. But that doesn't make it right. And that doesn't mean that people adversely affected can't complain and hope for something better. And this is not how cities work. Cities have zoning because they recognize that it is not fair for commercial developments to extract value from residential neighborhoods and leaving the neighbors to deal with all the externalities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 This is a commercial corridor. It has been for a long time. Fitzgerald's, before it was torn down? a 5 minute walk down the street. Before it was Fitzgerald's? It was a dance hall. There's been live music on White Oak longer than anyone currently in the neighborhood has been alive. And you can't possibly believe that a bar would lose business if you put up a 7' penis on your property. If anything, the opposite would be true. Everyone would want to go to the bar next to the giant penis! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Texasota said: And you can't possibly believe that a bar would lose business if you put up a 7' penis on your property. If anything, the opposite would be true. Everyone would want to go to the bar next to the giant penis! Well, it does make it easier to give directions... 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3mh Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Texasota said: This is a commercial corridor. It has been for a long time. Fitzgerald's, before it was torn down? a 5 minute walk down the street. Before it was Fitzgerald's? It was a dance hall. There's been live music on White Oak longer than anyone currently in the neighborhood has been alive. And you can't possibly believe that a bar would lose business if you put up a 7' penis on your property. If anything, the opposite would be true. Everyone would want to go to the bar next to the giant penis! Fitz put a lot of money into that venue to sound proof. My understanding is that the new bar will have some music on a patio. White Oak is commercial, but it is not a six lane road with 20 acre lots on each side. It has a limited capacity for cars, bars and so on. It is already overrun with cars and people and adding more and more bars and restaurants is just going to make it impossible. And that 7' penis is very anatomically accurate. Not the kind of décor you will want if you are trying to sell $12 cocktails in the Heights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, s3mh said: Fitz put a lot of money into that venue to sound proof. My understanding is that the new bar will have some music on a patio. White Oak is commercial, but it is not a six lane road with 20 acre lots on each side. It has a limited capacity for cars, bars and so on. It is already overrun with cars and people and adding more and more bars and restaurants is just going to make it impossible. And that 7' penis is very anatomically accurate. Not the kind of décor you will want if you are trying to sell $12 cocktails in the Heights. $12 what now? 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 So much pearl clutching! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 It sounds like s3mh actually wants to live in Spring. Or Cypress. Or Katy. A subdivision where all the noise and retail is on "a six lane road with 20 acre lots on each side" and the houses are on their little dead end cul-de-sacs and you have to drive everywhere. Too bad for them. That's not what the Heights has ever been. It's not a subdivision. It's a real, old-fashioned neighborhood, where you can walk or bike to most things. And that absolutely includes bars and entertainment and anywhere that serves alcohol. Putting bars on 6 lane roads is basically asking people to drive drunk. And I don't buy your excuse that Fitz's was fine because of sound dampening. I've been to Fitz's. Fitz's was fine because it was already there. Noise is not the problem. Change is. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Also, S3mh seems to really misunderstand the hilarity of giant anatomically correct penises. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedistrict84 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/20/2021 at 5:45 PM, s3mh said: Two different developments. Both will be bars. https://www.theleadernews.com/real_estate/two-upcoming-bars-have-heights-neighbors-on-edge/article_d1a17fe8-5b45-11eb-9290-bbe2bad038f8.html People like the guy quoted in the article referring to buying a nearby home as “invest[ing] in that area” are the problem. When you view your home primarily as an appreciating asset instead of just a place to live, property values become the be-all, end-all and lead to this absolute NIMBY-ism on display here. I rolled my eyes so hard while reading that quote that I think I dislocated my eyeballs. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Texasota said: It sounds like s3mh actually wants to live in Spring. Or Cypress. Or Katy. A subdivision where all the noise and retail is on "a six lane road with 20 acre lots on each side" and the houses are on their little dead end cul-de-sacs and you have to drive everywhere. Too bad for them. That's not what the Heights has ever been. It's not a subdivision. It's a real, old-fashioned neighborhood, where you can walk or bike to most things. And that absolutely includes bars and entertainment and anywhere that serves alcohol. Putting bars on 6 lane roads is basically asking people to drive drunk. And I don't buy your excuse that Fitz's was fine because of sound dampening. I've been to Fitz's. Fitz's was fine because it was already there. Noise is not the problem. Change is. Sounds like you yearn for the days of cholera and raging fires. Those were the hallmarks of a REAL old-fashioned neighborhood. How many people in Houston have ever actually lived in an "old-fashioned neighborhood" like you describe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 22 minutes ago, gmac said: Sounds like you yearn for the days of cholera and raging fires. Those were the hallmarks of a REAL old-fashioned neighborhood. How many people in Houston have ever actually lived in an "old-fashioned neighborhood" like you describe? Yep, you've figured me out; I just love cholera. What a good, well reasoned response to what I was actually saying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Texasota said: Yep, you've figured me out; I just love cholera. What a good, well reasoned response to what I was actually saying. You threw out a sweeping generalization about "suburbia", when there are actually very walkable neighborhoods in many of the outlying areas. People in Katy/Cypress/Spring can actually safely walk to stores, restaurants, churches, bars... you name it. The walk may be a half mile, or maybe a couple blocks, but it's eminently doable. What many people DON'T want is a bar right next door with the concomitant issues of noise and traffic. That's no more unreasonable than not wanting a bunch of storage units plopped next door. OTOH, if the bars/entertainment were already there when you purchased your home... tough luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) Hey I'm not the one who brought up "a six lane road with 20 acre lots on each side". That specific development pattern of purely residential neighborhoods arrayed along relatively few, giant roads with oversized shopping "plazas" is absolutely descriptive of Spring, Cypress, and Katy. I didn't pick those places randomly. I had FM 1960 in particular in mind. FM 1960 is, to me, the perfect example of everything wrong with how we have developed our communities since the 60s or so. Cypress and Katy are sort of not as bad, but that's because their equivalent corridors are mostly feeder roads with some four lane boulevards. And they're not nearly as walkable as the Heights, if for no other reason than the fact that they lack a street grid. "A couple blocks" is not a concept that makes sense in most of Katy or Cypress because most residential streets dead end into cul-de-sacs. And again, White Oak is a commercial corridor. It has had live music on it for more than a century. If live music and alcohol don't belong on White Oak, then where in the Heights do they belong. Because it is a more traditional neighborhood with a true street grid, any location would be "next door", or at least within a block, of someone's home. And that's a good thing! That's part of what makes the Heights a great place to live! Edited January 22, 2021 by Texasota 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamHouston Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 As a resident of Harvard Street I think a 7 foot erect penis would be great for the neighborhood. But why stop at seven feet? Make it large enough that you could see it from a block away. "Meet me at the cock for drinks tonight". Have it light up at night, maybe it could grow and shrink with the temperature? Seriously, the parts of White Oak that weren't entertainment the last twenty years were light industrial. There still is a print shop. Coltivare was a vacant building. This zoning nonsense and HEB blaming is unreal. If this city had zoning, what exactly do you think White Oak properties would be zoned as? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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