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18 hours ago, talltexan83 said:

Not the most relevant comment, but seeing again that construction costs for the Bayou Greenway Park were about $2 million.........right after I read about the new 59S/610N interchange going for $250+ million.  I know these are entirely different budgets/jurisdictions, but it's wild to think what would be possible if Bayou Greenways had an extra $250 million to spend on construction.  I'd be willing to bet it would have a greater economic impact on the city than a new freeway interchange.

https://houston.culturemap.com/news/city-life/06-01-21-610-loop-ramp-closing-us-59-southwest-freeway-june-3-june-9-txdot/

The Bayou Greenways 2020 project as a whole had a $220 million budget.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cynthialescalleet/2019/05/30/bayou-greenways-2020-linking-parks-adding-trails-transforming-underused-land-by-houston-waterways/?sh=6196ae175e78

 

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i guess they figured if they're going to keep this bridge closed for an entire year, they should probably get a photo with some industrial equipment to make it look like they actually did something out here.  i still can't believe it's taken an entire year for them to reopen this bridge--especially since this year was when so many houstonians relied on the parks and trails in this city for recreation.  

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1 hour ago, skooljunkie said:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/transportation/article/M-K-T-Bridge-reopening-now-uncertain-as-repairs-16451735.php

Summary: Workers found more damage. More work will need to be done. Additional design work and permitting to follow. Finish date is uncertain.

Classic.

Took them a year to inspect this properly?  Clearly not a priority for the city or the parks board. I used to ride this frequently and it was one of the most popular trails in Houston. They have a detour but a family with little kids aren't going to take a detour on Heights Blvd and under IH10. I doubt they open this back up in at least a year.

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This is soooo City of Houston.  Inspector No. 1:  "Everything looks good.  You just need to do A, B and C."  A, B, and C completed.  Inspector No. 2:  "D, E, and F don't meet code.  You need to fix that and pull all new permits."  

And on top of that permitting at CoH is grinding to a halt due to COVID.  I know people trying to finish a huge project that is very time sensitive who had to send new plans back to engineering and were told that the reviewer had 600+ plans on his desk and could not even guess at an ETA on approval.  I wouldn't be surprised if the connector is completed long before the bridge.  

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i wonder how much time was squandered by waiting to assess the damage in the first place.  probably a full year.  i also wonder if they considered re-opening the bridge but still continuing to work on it.  they installed the metal support pillar in the middle of the bridge while the bridge was still in use.  i realize there's a higher risk to re-opening now, but how much more dangerous would this bridge be then every other pedestrian bridge spanning a bayou in the city?  i guess no one would be willing to put their neck on the line.  which is fine i guess.  but the lack of accountability frustrates me to no end.

here's my forecast for when this is open again: winter 2022 (but in this case 12/31/2022).  not to be confused with winter 2022 (1Q2022) when the connector should be done.

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I sent out some emails and was told that the houston parks board is the one that owns this bridge. here's there email if yall want to send also send them your thoughts

info@houstonparksboard.org 

also the lady I was talking to said that sending in a 311 request is the best way to make noise about it. Not sure if doing all this bitching will change anything in how much they prioritize this project but a man can hope.  

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13 hours ago, wilcal said:

I'm pretty sure there is already a plan to build a bridge near Patterson. I honestly don't remember whose plan it is at this point lol.

Definitely! It’s been planned for a long time. It’s even part of the Houston bike plan. But with no timeline or funding.  We’re working to tell the city it’s time to fund it and build it

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11 hours ago, emmanume said:

Definitely! It’s been planned for a long time. It’s even part of the Houston bike plan. But with no timeline or funding.  We’re working to tell the city it’s time to fund it and build it

It appears that this is a TxDOT project that did receive funding for the 2022 FY via HGAC's call for projects in 2018.

It is project number 267 from this list (it is on page 2).

Here is the application page.

I just sent a few emails to see what the deal is. 

Edit: brief update, the Cohn to Memorial Park connector had their funding pushed back to FY 2023 because of some HGAC timing thing, so this may be a similar situation. They were allocated $2.4 million in matching funds to pay for this project, though. 

 

 

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On 5/2/2022 at 9:18 AM, wilcal said:

It appears that this is a TxDOT project that did receive funding for the 2022 FY via HGAC's call for projects in 2018.

It is project number 267 from this list (it is on page 2).

Here is the application page.

I just sent a few emails to see what the deal is. 

Edit: brief update, the Cohn to Memorial Park connector had their funding pushed back to FY 2023 because of some HGAC timing thing, so this may be a similar situation. They were allocated $2.4 million in matching funds to pay for this project, though. 

 

 

@emmanume I completely forgot to give you a ring last night! I'm so sorry. We can touch base this weekend.

I do have some good news, this TxDOT project is still on, but it has been bumped back to Fiscal Year 2024 and is funded.

I know we are in a tangentially related thread, but this is the location of the connector I was referencing:

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Very happy that this is finally finished and cannot wait for the other connector to Stude Park to get done.  It looks like they are making good progress on that connector.  

But gotta say that this took way too long.  This was basically a three month job that took almost two years.  If this bridge was for vehicular traffic for a busy street, emergency repairs would have probably taken a few weeks if not faster.  

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I could see it collecting a lot of debris during a flood and creating a dam that will back up water. Don't want be a Debbie downer cause I'm glad they fixed it but if any funds can be allocated to reduce the amount of columns would be much better.

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1 hour ago, hindesky said:

I could see it collecting a lot of debris during a flood and creating a dam that will back up water. Don't want be a Debbie downer cause I'm glad they fixed it but if any funds can be allocated to reduce the amount of columns would be much better.

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I was told by a Flood Control District engineer a number of years ago that they can't make changes to bridges without doing a full study of the impacts on downstream areas.  That's why the old rail bridge is still there next to Yale. No one wants to pay for those studies. I do know that when the rail bridge near TC Jester was replaced with a pedestrian bridge, the new one has fewer columns. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7757471,-95.3987204,100m/data=!3m1!1e3

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@Ross This indicates to me they must have done a study to the abandoned R.R bridge on Yale if they plan to remove it for the North Canal project. Why wouldn't they have done one for the MKT bridge too? Maybe the one hand (FEMA) hasn't spoken to the other hand (COH/Parks Board)?

As the the pic says this is a "Preliminary design - Plans subject to change".  Budget is $131,071,815. Surely they will have increase this budget due to inflation.

https://www.engagehouston.org/northcanal

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39 minutes ago, hindesky said:

@Ross This indicates to me they must have done a study to the abandoned R.R bridge on Yale if they plan to remove it for the North Canal project. Why wouldn't they have done one for the MKT bridge too? Maybe the one hand (FEMA) hasn't spoken to the other hand (COH/Parks Board)?

As the the pic says this is a "Preliminary design - Plans subject to change".  Budget is $131,071,815. Surely they will have increase this budget due to inflation.

https://www.engagehouston.org/northcanal

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Who knows how the ovoid wheels of government turn? I am going to guess that the North Canal Project had money to handle all of the studies, while the MKT bridge was a "let's get this thing fixed for as little cash as possible" sort of thing.

The railroad bridge next to the Yale bridge is bizarre, sitting there with nothing connected. I will be glad to see it go away. 

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