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22 minutes ago, Toopicky said:

 

As from diagrams posted elsewhere on this site, there are no railroad tracks (with the exception of the Red Line) threatened by the canal. The proposed highway routing of IH10/45 might be another matter

 

57 minutes ago, hindesky said:

What will happen to the busy railroad track that is going right through the possible new canal? Surely they will have a say in this.

 

What TooPicky says is correct. I would focus in on those presentations as they do a great job at tying together all the other projects planned for this area, one which will look completely different in the next 5-10 years with all the infrastructure changes.

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20 minutes ago, Luminare said:

 

 

What TooPicky says is correct. I would focus in on those presentations as they do a great job at tying together all the other projects planned for this area, one which will look completely different in the next 5-10 years with all the infrastructure changes.

Which presentations? I guess I haven't seen them.

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My favorite thing about big ambitious non-building focused projects like this is the fake orange midrises they put everywhere. Once we build this nice park--waterfront midrises and charming Continental European malls are gonna pop up everywhere. 

In the renderings, I mean. 

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3 hours ago, kbates2 said:


i thought it was just reinforced?  It doesn’t look new.

Oh trust me it's new. I remember it being a complete nightmare trying to get through that area when they completely demo'd the old bridge. I remember people being so happy on Nextdoor when it was announced it was opening earlier than scheduled.

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1 hour ago, Subdude said:

I remember reading that the canal project was initially proposed in the 1930s.  So there's progress.

 

And to think we whinge about a project that only takes two or three times longer than it should... :ph34r:

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On 10/13/2019 at 2:22 PM, EllenOlenska said:

My favorite thing about big ambitious non-building focused projects like this is the fake orange midrises they put everywhere. Once we build this nice park--waterfront midrises and charming Continental European malls are gonna pop up everywhere. 

In the renderings, I mean. 

 

Yes, the Buffalo Bayou plan renderings were amazingly optimistic.  I don't think many people are going to want new apartments next to the jails.  

 

The obvious name for the new island will be "Alcatraz".  

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Subdude said:

 

Yes, the Buffalo Bayou plan renderings were amazingly optimistic.  I don't think many people are going to want new apartments next to the jails.  

 

The obvious name for the new island will be "Alcatraz".  

 

 

The most ambitious Houston renderings outside of the 300 foot buildings that have glass atriums which open to the pierce elevated park.  

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On ‎10‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 11:54 PM, Triton said:

We've talked about this project for many years on HAIF but I haven't seen a dedicated thread for it. With today's news, figured we finally needed one:

 

Houston receives $43 million in federal funds to start North Canal project, cover Wortham Center repairs

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https://communityimpact.com/houston/heights-river-oaks-montrose/city-county/2019/10/11/houston-receives-43-million-in-federal-funds-to-start-north-canal-project-cover-wortham-center-repairs/

 

So $2.66 million of the total $131 million cost of the North Canal. Don't break out the balloons yet.

 

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On ‎10‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 2:59 PM, Subdude said:

 

Yes, the Buffalo Bayou plan renderings were amazingly optimistic.  I don't think many people are going to want new apartments next to the jails.  

 

The obvious name for the new island will be "Alcatraz".  

 

 

 

If people leased apartments next to the I-45/59 interchange, and apartments 2 blocks from the Midtown bus station, they will definitely lease apartments on the bayou walking distance from downtown, jail or no jail.

 

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On 11/26/2019 at 4:39 PM, H-Town Man said:

 

So $2.66 million of the total $131 million cost of the North Canal. Don't break out the balloons yet.

 

 

Unless they are handing shovels out to the residents of the soon-to-be island to have them dig it out by hand, that did seem a bit light on the funding. 

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52 minutes ago, Subdude said:

So if estimated downtown damage from the Harvey flood was $100m, at an estimated cost of $131m it wouldn't take that many potential downtown floods for the North Canal to pay for itself.  It is unfortunate the project has been kicked around for so many years.

 

That assumes that this project will cure the downtown flooding problem. I think the benefit will be positive but minor, at least in terms of height. The water will still be backed up from the ship channel and Galveston Bay. Straightening the route of the water from White Oak Bayou and giving it a better merge angle with Buffalo Bayou (essentially what this project does) might lower things a few feet on BB, which of course could translate to the width of an entire block of lower downtown. So minor difference in flood height, but maybe a major difference in flood width?

 

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On 12/2/2019 at 10:28 AM, Subdude said:

So if estimated downtown damage from the Harvey flood was $100m, at an estimated cost of $131m it wouldn't take that many potential downtown floods for the North Canal to pay for itself.  It is unfortunate the project has been kicked around for so many years.

 

Its been kicked around for so long because this whole area is an infrastructural logistical hornets nest that will take a lot of untangling. I actually like this part of the NNIHP project the most because of how it aims to integrate so many projects from so many different stakeholders into one comprehensive plan (railroad alignment, highway alignment, metro alignment, UHD alignment, bayou alignment, and major thoroughfare alignment). I can only imagine what those first few meetings were like...."ok everyone we have probably 70 years of crap here that we don't know or are going to pretend to know what to do with...ok how do we get started with this?"

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On 10/12/2019 at 11:15 PM, Triton said:

How old is that? Would they really rebuild the Yale St bridge after it's just been rebuilt?

The rerouting of White Oak to a more eastern connection to Buffalo Bayou, would have no bearing on the Yale street bridge. White Oak bayou would continue to run its same course until it reaches  the bypass and  some of it's water would continue the confluence with Buffalo Bayou at its original Allens Landing site. This will create a north end island.

 

I also believe that a bridge over the canal might work. 

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2 hours ago, bobruss said:

The rerouting of White Oak to a more eastern connection to Buffalo Bayou, would have no bearing on the Yale street bridge. White Oak bayou would continue to run its same course until it reaches  the bypass and  some of it's water would continue the confluence with Buffalo Bayou at its original Allens Landing site. This will create a north end island.

 

I also believe that a bridge over the canal might work. 

Right, I know that. The map above my post though said in the Houston Chron that the Yale Bridge (see red circle) would be rebuilt. I ended up guessing that that was simply an old map since I don't see why in the world they would rebuild that after it's just been rebuilt.... or Houston Chron got it wrong again.

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10 hours ago, Triton said:

Right, I know that. The map above my post though said in the Houston Chron that the Yale Bridge (see red circle) would be rebuilt. I ended up guessing that that was simply an old map since I don't see why in the world they would rebuild that after it's just been rebuilt.... or Houston Chron got it wrong again.

I'm sorry, I was just trying to ease your fears.

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Watch the presentation to the Transportation Technology and Infrastructure Committee.  Lots of information about the North Canal project.

 

A few highlights:

 

Detailed hydraulics studies have not been done yet, but preliminary analysis shows that it will not have significant impacts downstream (modeling shows the bayou staying in its banks).

 

The project includes:

1) The North Canal

2) Bridge and channel work upstream of the North Canal; The decks of the Yale & Heights bridges will be physically raised.  The bridges will not be demolished. Channel improvements under I-10 west of downtown (just to the west of Studemont).

3) In-line detention channel downstream, connected with the detention basins that will be added by the NHHIP.

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On 8/8/2020 at 5:31 PM, Houston19514 said:

Watch the presentation to the Transportation Technology and Infrastructure Committee.  Lots of information about the North Canal project.

 

A few highlights:

 

Detailed hydraulics studies have not been done yet, but preliminary analysis shows that it will not have significant impacts downstream (modeling shows the bayou staying in its banks).

 

The project includes:

1) The North Canal

2) Bridge and channel work upstream of the North Canal; The decks of the Yale & Heights bridges will be physically raised.  The bridges will not be demolished. Channel improvements under I-10 west of downtown (just to the west of Studemont).

3) In-line detention channel downstream, connected with the detention basins that will be added by the NHHIP.

 

Does "in-line detention channel" mean that they will dig the channel deeper within the bayou?

 

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20 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:

 

Does "in-line detention channel" mean that they will dig the channel deeper within the bayou?

 

 

I think it is a new canal, the South Canal.  This was in the original BBP master plan, I believe, but I thought the concept had been abandoned.  Apparently it is back, perhaps in a slightly different mode (more as flood control, less as an amenity).

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From BBP Website:

“The trail will begin at Allen’s Landing Park and continue east under the Fannin Street Bridge, transverse up the slope along Commerce Street before passing under the San Jacinto Bridge to the Wilson Building on Commerce Street. The trail will continue through the second basement level of the Wilson Building and under the Harris County Sheriff’s Inmate Processing Center.“

 

https://buffalobayou.org/construction-begins-on-key-buffalo-bayou-trail-connection/

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Phase 1 (preliminary design) Design was approved at the city council meeting this week. This should finish in 10 months. With Phase 2 (final design and real estate acquisition) Design finishing in 2 years.

 

https://houston.novusagenda.com/agendapublic/CoverSheet.aspx?ItemID=22421&MeetingID=484

https://communityimpact.com/houston/heights-river-oaks-montrose/environment/2021/05/20/houston-oks-11-million-contract-for-north-canal-project-design/

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On 5/21/2021 at 6:58 PM, hindesky said:

Either they take out the parking lot or the pump station that UHD seemingly still uses on San Jacinto St. west side.

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They better not touch the pump station.

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Pretty detailed map graphic on page 43 of a recent Metro Capital and Strategic Planning Meeting Packet. The North Canal Project will cut through a bus storage yard, so that is why Metro was covering it. 
 
 
 

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1 hour ago, j_cuevas713 said:

I’m curious what properties will be destroyed aside from the bus barn. Last time I heard the lofts across the street were also going to be demolished. 

Yeah, the Lone Star Lofts are directly in the path.  It looks like the Lone Start Lofts, the adjacent (attached) building, and the Metro building are the only buildings slated to be demolished for this project.  Sorry to lose them, but we need this.

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On Sept. 24th I saw a contractor creating an access road on the north bank of White Oak Bayou. First thing that came to mind was the North Canal project. Nobody was onsite to talk to then but today I talked to the supervisor and he said this was to increase the amount of riprap in the bend under IH 10. I still think this will help with the canal project from ripping out the bend in the bayou. They were creating a bridge so they could access the south bank too.

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