j_cuevas713 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 5 hours ago, thedistrict84 said: If you are familiar with the plans, then you will recall that there is an abbreviated exit ramp which dumps eastbound freeway traffic onto St. Emanuel right at East Village, which is very much the heart of the most walkable segment of this area. It is borderline delusional to think that that arrangement will not have a negative impact on walkability and detrimentally affect businesses in the immediate area (if they even manage to survive the several years that construction will take). I agree. Too many morons are going to be flying through this area well above the speed limit. A park cap is not going to change the fact that you lose more real estate and have to face a behemoth freeway. St Emanuel SHOULD NOT be in the same sentence as feeder road. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkultra25 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) On 1/30/2021 at 3:45 PM, hindesky said: Yeah, the guys I talked said it was at the Zoo. Hermann Park, October 1976, and a diagram of the location near the Zoo entrance. (source: http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/103626363/Image 8 Verse 1 Solution) Edited February 12, 2021 by mkultra25 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 20 hours ago, thedistrict84 said: If you are familiar with the plans, then you will recall that there is an abbreviated exit ramp which dumps eastbound freeway traffic onto St. Emanuel right at East Village, which is very much the heart of the most walkable segment of this area. It is borderline delusional to think that that arrangement will not have a negative impact on walkability and detrimentally affect businesses in the immediate area (if they even manage to survive the several years that construction will take). Abbreviated exit ramp? Do you mean the one that exits the main lanes of I-69 just after St Jospeh Parkway and dumps northbound traffic on to St Emmanuel just past Polk (almost 2000' in length)?http://ih45northandmore.com/docs13/02_NHHIP_Seg3_I-45_RollPlot_PH_2-3.pdf Then they'll have stop lights at Dallas and every 320' thereafter all the way through EADO. And once you get to Lamar, there's the park on the west side of the street (Sorry, H-Town Man; not a Big If. That cap park is happening.) Sorry, I don't see a problem there. It's actually quite similar to freeway traffic being "dumped" onto CBD streets at points all around downtown; In all such cases, traffic is immediately calmed by, among other things, traffic signals every 320'. As I said earlier, check back in 10 years or so; we'll see who was borderline delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iah77 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 53 minutes ago, Houston19514 said: Abbreviated exit ramp? Do you mean the one that exits the main lanes of I-69 just after St Jospeh Parkway and dumps northbound traffic on to St Emmanuel just past Polk (almost 2000' in length)?http://ih45northandmore.com/docs13/02_NHHIP_Seg3_I-45_RollPlot_PH_2-3.pdf Then they'll have stop lights at Dallas and every 320' thereafter all the way through EADO. And once you get to Lamar, there's the park on the west side of the street (Sorry, H-Town Man; not a Big If. That cap park is happening.) Sorry, I don't see a problem there. It's actually quite similar to freeway traffic being "dumped" onto CBD streets at points all around downtown; In all such cases, traffic is immediately calmed by, among other things, traffic signals every 320'. As I said earlier, check back in 10 years or so; we'll see who was borderline delusional. Agreed, I think all the positives outweigh the risk. I think back parts of Eado will develop nicely and parts closer to the park will become much more dense as what happened in Dallas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedistrict84 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Houston19514 said: Abbreviated exit ramp? Do you mean the one that exits the main lanes of I-69 just after St Jospeh Parkway and dumps northbound traffic on to St Emmanuel just past Polk (almost 2000' in length)?http://ih45northandmore.com/docs13/02_NHHIP_Seg3_I-45_RollPlot_PH_2-3.pdf Then they'll have stop lights at Dallas and every 320' thereafter all the way through EADO. And once you get to Lamar, there's the park on the west side of the street (Sorry, H-Town Man; not a Big If. That cap park is happening.) Sorry, I don't see a problem there. It's actually quite similar to freeway traffic being "dumped" onto CBD streets at points all around downtown; In all such cases, traffic is immediately calmed by, among other things, traffic signals every 320'. As I said earlier, check back in 10 years or so; we'll see who was borderline delusional. It has been awhile since I had looked at the plans, and I will admit that that exit ramp is a bit longer than I recall it being. Hopefully they have a significant drop in the speed limit soon after exiting so traffic slows substantially prior to the intersection. Still, knowing how most Houston drivers approach freeway offramps of this type, I can predict with virtual certainty that people will routinely be going through that first intersection at 40+ MPH to beat the light (like they do at the Polk exit now). The consensus has been that the cap itself is definitely happening as the TXDoT budget and engineering necessarily requires it. Development of that cap into anything that is not a barren patch of concrete is still a question mark, and far from the certainty you seem to suggest, especially in this COVID and slumping O&G climate. Further, from my understanding, construction on top of the cap will be very limited to park infrastructure, so there are several blocks that will be lost to future development if the park does not happen. But, in what I think fits the true definition of ironic, the map you shared in part to show the plans for the cap actually seems to label the cap area as "HIGHWAY CAP/POTENTIAL OPEN SPACE." I didn't even realize that having it open was still a possibility, and if that is indeed the case it will absolutely, unquestionably kill the area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, thedistrict84 said: It has been awhile since I had looked at the plans, and I will admit that that exit ramp is a bit longer than I recall it being. Hopefully they have a significant drop in the speed limit soon after exiting so traffic slows substantially prior to the intersection. Still, knowing how most Houston drivers approach freeway offramps of this type, I can predict with virtual certainty that people will routinely be going through that first intersection at 40+ MPH to beat the light (like they do at the Polk exit now). The consensus has been that the cap itself is definitely happening as the TXDoT budget and engineering necessarily requires it. Development of that cap into anything that is not a barren patch of concrete is still a question mark, and far from the certainty you seem to suggest, especially in this COVID and slumping O&G climate. Further, from my understanding, construction on top of the cap will be very limited to park infrastructure, so there are several blocks that will be lost to future development if the park does not happen. But, in what I think fits the true definition of ironic, the map you shared in part to show the plans for the cap actually seems to label the cap area as "HIGHWAY CAP/POTENTIAL OPEN SPACE." I didn't even realize that having it open was still a possibility, and if that is indeed the case it will absolutely, unquestionably kill the area. I think "open space" probably means open park space. If it just meant that it was "open" to the freeway below, it would say "open space" in all the places where there is a sunken freeway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUCAJUN Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Is it just me but when did the MMP Mixed Use development turn into the freeway cap thread? Asking for a friend. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedistrict84 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 minute ago, HOUCAJUN said: Is it just me but when did the MMP Mixed Use development turn into the freeway cap thread? Asking for a friend. We went off on a bit of a tangent when we started talking about other bars to go to near MMP and how accessible they are, now that everyone's favorite MMP-adjacent sports bar Home Plate has been unceremoniously demoed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Drove by the site yesterday, all of the bars have been demolished. Sorry no pics. Train is scheduled to move Feb 28 https://www.facebook.com/1717138895199170/posts/2837438819835833/?d=n 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X.R. Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Gonna be real sad if those things are parking lots for long. I know people will say you can drink across the highway, but the whole point is to, you know, be around the park doing stuff, maybe stop in at the merch store before going to grab a drink. I wonder if they will do like a foodtruck park in those lots on game days, that would be cool. Otherwise, 4 years is a long time to wait. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tigereye Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) Here’s both Cohn House and SP982 being loaded up for their relocation this week. https://www.facebook.com/262612701157/posts/10158134179876158/?d=n Edited February 21, 2021 by tigereye 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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txtiger Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Would be very cool if this is what’s slated for the lot...: https://www.usthrillrides.com/gallery?pgid=jg23t492-ddf3c54d-556a-4bf5-a312-1a609afa5d12 but, alas... likely not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arternative Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 The skeptical part in me sees the city's handling of these assets over the years and thinks it's a form of money laundering or corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt36 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Arternative said: The skeptical part in me sees the city's handling of these assets over the years and thinks it's a form of money laundering or corruption. Seems pretty inefficient 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyDriveKid Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) Deleting! Think I misunderstood Edited February 22, 2021 by KirbyDriveKid Deleting! Think I misunderstood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Loading out the remaining parts of the demo. Train looks ready for a new home, hopefully a permanent one. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Train (SP 982) is moving to 3405 Navigation on 2/28 https://www.facebook.com/1717138895199170/posts/2845499742363074/?d=n 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, tigereye said: Train (SP 982) is moving to 3405 Navigation on 2/28 https://www.facebook.com/1717138895199170/posts/2845499742363074/?d=n Interesting. I wonder if it's going into the warehouse there or if it will be placed on the tracks. Edited February 24, 2021 by JBTX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Triton Posted February 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, tigereye said: Train (SP 982) is moving to 3405 Navigation on 2/28 https://www.facebook.com/1717138895199170/posts/2845499742363074/?d=n Good to see it is at least not being torn down or something. This train means a lot to my family. My great grandfather took many many trips on this train and served as one of its engineers. We have several photos of him working on the train itself back in the day. What was funny is that when he arrived back into Houston, he would blow a unique pattern with the horn to tell my great grandmother that he was home so she could come and pick him up. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 8 hours ago, Triton said: Good to see it is at least not being torn down or something. This train means a lot to my family. My great grandfather took many many trips on this train and served as one of its engineers. We have several photos of him working on the train itself back in the day. What was funny is that when he arrived back into Houston, he would blow a unique pattern with the horn to tell my great grandmother that he was home so she could come and pick him up. Cool. Have you shared this information and photos with the group that is working on (and presumably owns) the locomotive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 10 hours ago, JBTX said: Interesting. I wonder if it's going into the warehouse there or if it will be placed on the tracks. I've ridden by these 2 warehouses and there is about a dozen old/antique trains already there on an old rail line that used to service the warehouses there. I took a few photos of them but there are a lot more. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Oh I'm humping it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBTX Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, hindesky said: I've ridden by these 2 warehouses and there is about a dozen old/antique trains already there on an old rail line that used to service the warehouses there. I took a few photos of them but there are a lot more. Interesting. I've ridden and walked in that area, even on those tracks, and somehow never saw these. Time to explore more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Houston19514 said: Cool. Have you shared this information and photos with the group that is working on (and presumably owns) the locomotive? Reached out to family that has all the material (who would actually know) because I am not sure. Why, what are you thinking? We could submit those photos to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Triton said: Reached out to family that has all the material (who would actually know) because I am not sure. Why, what are you thinking? We could submit those photos to them? The group is obviously serious about train history. I would think they would be thrilled to get any photos and stories about one of the locomotives they possess and plan to make operational again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 19 hours ago, Houston19514 said: The group is obviously serious about train history. I would think they would be thrilled to get any photos and stories about one of the locomotives they possess and plan to make operational again. That’s the plan for SP 982: Restore to operational again. This according to the SP 982 Historical Group on FB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 2/24/2021 at 1:07 PM, Triton said: Reached out to family that has all the material (who would actually know) because I am not sure. Why, what are you thinking? We could submit those photos to them? They would be stoked! Us history buffs love having objects from the past but generally is not the physical object we love it’s the connection to people in the past that used it. A historian loves nothing more that to find great stories and period photos of of something like this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Triton Posted February 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2021 53 minutes ago, jmitch94 said: They would be stoked! Us history buffs love having objects from the past but generally is not the physical object we love it’s the connection to people in the past that used it. A historian loves nothing more that to find great stories and period photos of of something like this. My family is claiming they have sent these photos and info about my great grandfather. Does anyone know the actual name of the group that is preserving this train? Anyway, here is my great grandfather in the first shot. In this photo, he is traveling into the Lufkin yard. In the second photo, my great grandmother is explaining the special horn sound he would make when he finally arrived back into the Englewood Yard from Lufkin. Edit: Horn sound was "one long and a short, [an] short, [an] a long" to let her know he was home. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) . Edited February 27, 2021 by H-Town Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Triton, What a remarkable story. I hope they can re unite the tender car, and locomotive in some spectacular way. Thanks for passing along such a personal recollection. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangledwoods Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 trains are cool I guess, but can we get back to talking about what an incredible parking lot this is about to be? 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigereye Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, tangledwoods said: trains are cool I guess, but can we get back to talking about what an incredible parking lot this is about to be? One step closer to an incredible parking lot: Train was moved yesterday. https://www.facebook.com/1717138895199170/posts/2848670668712648/?d=n 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillip_white Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 On 2/24/2021 at 10:15 AM, hindesky said: I've ridden by these 2 warehouses and there is about a dozen old/antique trains already there on an old rail line that used to service the warehouses there. I took a few photos of them but there are a lot more. 33 minutes ago, tigereye said: One step closer to an incredible parking lot: Train was moved yesterday. https://www.facebook.com/1717138895199170/posts/2848670668712648/?d=n Based on a comment to that Facebook post, the warehouse Hindesky mentioned will become the Texas Railroading Heritage Museum. This is news to me. Anyone have any other information? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 In a Zoom meeting hosted by Buffalo Bayou Partnership in early February about plans for Tony Moran Park, Anne Olsen stated that there were some discussions about the RR Heritage Museum possibly being located on an adjacent property. Of course this is not a BBP project, but there have been plans discussed with them about the museum so that the Partnership can plan the park with it in mind. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Looks ready to be lowered on to the existing rail. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Houston Astros Temporary Parking Lot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacoDog Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 It won't be completed until the 2021 regular season is over? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tigereye Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) ABC 13’s SkyEye with footage of moving day for the Cohn House. https://abc13.com/10410941/?ex_cid=TA_KTRK_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2cZyUkccKKyuM1pdpWzb9iuTbhny0FAVhRmfkCNjXcHrQDmpYYk-E0zuM Edited March 12, 2021 by tigereye 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljchou Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Where are the plans for this area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 9 hours ago, ljchou said: Where are the plans for this area? Multi-million dollar question we are all asking. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sunstar Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 Whatever the plans are they are moving full steam ahead 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn173 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 I'm sure the engine SP 982 wouldn't have it any other way. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CaptainJilliams Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Saw crews moving the old house from the elevated highway this weekend. Pretty incredible, wish I had snapped a picture! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_cuevas713 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Yeah I had to drive a few blocks down just to get to 2nd Ward. It wasn’t too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Montrose1100 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 hours ago, BeerNut said: pic from u/Npadia11 on reddit I exited Hamilton on Saturday because everyone and their mom was on a freeway this weekend. Then I diverted down Franklin because of this bad boy. Also saw the Train at 3303 Navigation. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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