Minute Maid Park Mixed-Use Development

[bookey23]

I think the league is interested in more expansion teams, but from what I understand Quebec City is very much next in line for a team. Perhaps Houston could get one too if they want to keep the conferences balanced

[j_cuevas713]

1 hour ago, bookey23 said:

I think the league is interested in more expansion teams, but from what I understand Quebec City is very much next in line for a team. Perhaps Houston could get one too if they want to keep the conferences balanced

Wow really? I haven't heard anything about expansion in Canada. 

[toxtethogrady]

On 3/30/2023 at 10:52 AM, CREguy13 said:

I know this is off topic from MMP, but to expand on my above comment: imagine if there were some movement behind the scenes to build a brand new state-of-the-art downtown arena to officially lure away the NHL Coyotes to Houston? 

Phoenix is trying to block Tempe's plans for a new stadium, as the Coyotes are currently playing in ASU's arena that seats 4600 people... A brand new stadium could close the deal, if things have been quietly progressing.

NHL, NBA, MLB, MLS all downtown? One can dream!

Article from yesterday:

https://frontofficesports.com/phoenix-looks-to-block-tempes-2-1b-deal-with-coyotes/

Don't forget returning the WNBA to Houston. The Comets won four championships in a row when the league started operations. But they couldn't keep the team from moving to Tulsa.

[Houston19514]

2 hours ago, toxtethogrady said:

Don't forget returning the WNBA to Houston. The Comets won four championships in a row when the league started operations. But they couldn't keep the team from moving to Tulsa.

The Comets disbanded (in 2008).  The Tulsa team relocated from Detroit (and later relocated to Arlington, TX).

[tigereye]

On 3/29/2023 at 8:50 PM, monarch said:

^^^ our fair city of houston, tx, is constantly ESPOUSING TO THE ENTIRE WORLD that "we are the fourth largest city in america".  yet we constantly allow for the greater dallas metropolitan areas to constantly OUTCLASS us with their WORLD CLASS sporting facilities/venues... along with their WORLD CLASS hospitality developments.  everyone of their state-of-the-art sporting venues, totally outclasses anything that the greater houston areas have to date.  EVERYONE!  heck, isn't dallas supposed to be the more conservative city?  houston always seems to be coming from behind and playing catch-up to the dallas metro areas.  heck, as we all know, THEY REALLY DID NOT NEED A BRAND NEW BALLPARK FOR THE RANGERS... RIGHT?  yet, here we are, they now harbor a brand spanking new state-of-the-art venue, along with a MAGNIFICENT NEW mixed-use baseball entertainment district with gorgeous new hospitality facilities.  yet, here is the TWO-TIME WORLD CHAMPION ASTROS owner JIM CRANE, espousing/dreaming/planning to the media about finally bringing forth concepts/renderings and possibly "breaking ground sometimes at the end of the year".  as long as i live, i shall never comprehend this fact.

PRIME EXAMPLE of just what i'm speaking of:  the city of houston, utilizes taxpayer funds to construct a state-of-the-art retractable roof football venue for their newly proposed HOUSTON TEXANS football team.  finally, this gorgeous new facility is completed and is introduced as a marvel of engineering to the entire nation/world.  (heck, although, i LOVED the overall design of the new venue) I REALLY HATED THE FACT THAT I KEPT THINKING THAT THE NEW VENUE WAS CONSTRUCTED MUCH TOO SMALL... TO HEREBY REMAIN VIABLE, WITH THE EVER EVOLVING NFL SUPER BOWL ROTATION.  subsequently, dallas comes along and constructs their HUGE EXPENSIVE MAGNIFICENT NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART FOOTBALL VENUE and TOTALLY OUTCLASSES THE HOUSTON FACILITY.  hereby, making it appear smaller and meek by comparison.  therefore, currently, the NFL is expressing that in order for houston to hereby remain viable in the SUPER BOWL ROTATION, NRG STADIUM IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY REIMAGINED AS A FOOTBALL VENUE.  why on earth, couldn't they just construct the DAMN FACILITY right in the first place...?  

I’m going to disagree here. Sure, most sports venues in DFW might be a better quality design on their own as an individual building. But Houston actually has a much better master plan for all of the venues as a whole. MMP, Toyota Center, and She’ll Energy Stadium are all situated within a few blocks of each other. Discovery Green is directly in the middle of all of this, like a uniting force between all of these venues, something I used heavily during the Final Four Fan Fest (air conditioned main hall). And soon a whole freeway will go underground, stitching these areas together. With the potential for mixed use development by the Astros (and maybe the Rockets) all of the elements are coming together to build an active sports, convention, and entertainment district that not many cities in America can boast having. 

Also having NRG Stadium 7 miles away (still technically inside the loop) connected by rail is a much better setup then Arlington is for the Cowboys and Rangers being 20 miles from Dallas, 15 miles from FTW with no mass transportation at all. Arlington taxpayers will pay for new sports venues but paying for mass transit options is too big of an ask, which seems beyond ludicrous. 

On 3/30/2023 at 3:12 AM, HOUCAJUN said:

Maybe Houston should relook at venue locations in the future and head for the suburbs to get things done sooner. I personally prefer having venues in the city core but what is Houston's Arlington and Frisco? I believe Jerry World was originally planned for Fair Park but failed then Arlington bailed him out. Less red tape.

Nope urban core is better, more centrally located for everyone in the region.

Jerry Jones original idea for Cowboys Stadium was Downtown Dallas along the Trinity River south of Cedars along Riverfront Blvd. It would’ve been a good site, maybe better for a Downtown Ballpark (more dates to fill). Then Mayor Laura Miller killed that idea and IMO, it’s a big loss.

The Fair Park idea was an attempt to renovate the Cotton Bowl stadium into a domed stadium by using money from the Cowboys to fund the project. But when the Downtown site died, Jerry took has ball and offered it to all of the competing bedroom communities to see who would give him the best deal. Of course, it was Arlington. 

On 3/30/2023 at 4:23 AM, staresatmaps said:

The only thing European about Shell is the outside shell which is fairly unique. Everything else is American. Roof only on 2 halves, and a concert roof. Unheard of in Europe. 2 tiers where the lower tier is very small. Very rare in Europe until recently. Full connecting walk around concourse. Very very rare in Europe. Bars looking over the field wasting space where seats could be. Unheard of in Europe. Now there are 2 new things added last year, one which is European(Safe Standing), and one which is super American(Table seats).

Incorrect. Shell Energy Stadium is designed by Christopher Lee, the architect of such venues as Emirates Stadium (Arsenal), Millennium Stadium (Cardiff), Aviva Stadium (Dublin), BBVA Bancomer (Monterrey Rayados). AEG did us a favor to tab him as the lead architect. But AEG also screwed us by applying budget constraints on a new venue for a franchise they were already actively selling in the market. The budget constraints limited what Lee could do, like having a full roof (the original design) 

That said, the tessellated mesh exterior might look European but the bigger design influence is the German style rounded bowl (i.e. Allianz Arena, Veltins Arena) Shell Energy Stadium has, in a league where you see more American style (MLS 1.0) and faux English style (MLS 3.0) venues. The only German style bowls like Shell Energy Stadium are Red Bull Arena (NJ) and TQL Stadium (Cincy) 

On 3/30/2023 at 9:52 AM, CREguy13 said:

I know this is off topic from MMP, but to expand on my above comment: imagine if there were some movement behind the scenes to build a brand new state-of-the-art downtown arena to officially lure away the NHL Coyotes to Houston? 

Phoenix is trying to block Tempe's plans for a new stadium, as the Coyotes are currently playing in ASU's arena that seats 4600 people... A brand new stadium could close the deal, if things have been quietly progressing.

NHL, NBA, MLB, MLS all downtown? One can dream!

Article from yesterday:

https://frontofficesports.com/phoenix-looks-to-block-tempes-2-1b-deal-with-coyotes/

Phoenix has long had issues with the Tempe Town Lake site. In the early 2000’s, the Cardinals planned to build a retractable roofed football stadium in this same site (Rio Salado Crossing), only for Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport to kill the plans due to runway clearance concerns. The Cardinals then ended up way out west in Glendale, AZ, coincidentally next to the Coyotes arena and Westgate development. And now Coyotes are now revisiting the old Cardinals proposed Rio Salado stadium site 20 years later and of course Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport has already voiced their objections, causing architects to limit the height of the Coyotes proposal. It’s like a game of musical chairs and now the city of Phoenix has voiced their opposition too. Proposition 301, 302, and 303 are set to vote on May 16th and there’s plenty of opposition. 

On 4/1/2023 at 6:47 AM, HoustonMidtown said:

Ken Hoffman takes a swing at Houston Astros' pitch to build a new downtown hotel

https://houston.culturemap.com/news/city-life/ken-hoffman-takes-a-swing-at-houston-astros-pitch-to-build-a-new-downtown-hotel/?utm_source=hot-headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=website

 

This is an awful take with no information. A fluff piece to generate hits. This city needs better media personalities. 

23 hours ago, Nate99 said:

The Coyotes are a basket case of a club. Their owner wants to get in on a big mixed use deal that is part of the Tempe stadium plans, so he's all-in on that. I don't know if the NHL could force a sale, but they should, the guy can't manage to find a major league caliber venue. Seems like that would be a condition of franchise ownership.  The ASU venue they use has half the seating capacity of the Tuscon arena that their AHL affiliate uses. 

That said, Seattle and Vegas have done really well, the league may be up for more expansion. 

You have to understand the situation. The Coyotes are trying to pull the same maneuver the Atlanta Braves did with Cobb County, move closer to their season ticket base in East Valley. Glendale isn’t a problem for the Cardinals because there’s only 10 home dates in the calendar year counting preseason. For the Coyotes, the ask of their fans is much larger, with at least 42 home dates to travel way out west to Glendale for. It makes sense for them to be in Phoenix or Tempe. But Robert Sarver (former Suns owner) killed the Phoenix option when he elected to renovate Talking Stick arena, a basketball only configured bowl and extend the lease, rather than partner with Yotes on an NBA/NHL arena in Downtown Phoenix. They Coyotes even had an opportunity to build with ASU but the Sun Devils elected to build Mullett Arena on their own, which funny enough is where the Coyotes are now, a 5,000 seat college hockey arena. Also, the Coyotes didn’t help themselves in the eyes of other communities when they stuffed Glendale, AZ on lease payments for their arena, which ultimately got them homeless in the first place

There’s also the fact that Coyotes owner is Alex Merulo, owner of SLS Las Vegas (formerly the Sahara) and Grand Sierra Casino in Reno. He also owns a sports book license in AZ and may Perdue a casino as part of his plans. 

Edited April 4 by tigereye

[monarch]

2 hours ago, tigereye said:

I’m going to disagree here. Sure, most sports venues in DFW might be a better quality design on their own as an individual building. But Houston actually has a much better master plan for all of the venues as a whole. MMP, Toyota Center, and She’ll Energy Stadium are all situated within a few blocks of each other. Discovery Green is directly in the middle of all of this, like a uniting force between all of these venues, something I used heavily during the Final Four Fan Fest (air conditioned main hall). And soon a whole freeway will go underground, stitching these areas together. With the potential for mixed use development by the Astros (and maybe the Rockets) all of the elements are coming together to build an active sports, convention, and entertainment district that not many cities in America can boast having. 

Also having NRG Stadium 7 miles away (still technically inside the loop) connected by rail is a much better setup then Arlington is for the Cowboys and Rangers being 20 miles from Dallas, 15 miles from FTW with no mass transportation at all. Arlington taxpayers will pay for new sports venues but paying for mass transit options is too big of an ask, which seems beyond ludicrous. 

Nope urban core is better, more centrally located for everyone in the region.

 

^^^ i see you, and i can certainly comprehend your sentiment here @tigereye  however, my initial statements were never a lesson in HOUSTON SPORTS VENUE GEOGRAPHY.  my initial sentiment was, is... always regarding the actual QUALITY, PLANNING, and CONSTRUCTION of the actual VENUES themselves.  you have initiated a very eloquent illustration of the GEOGRAPHICAL attributes regarding houston's said venues.  however, the geographical or CLOSENESS of the venues inside HOUSTON PROPER, doesn't necessarily mean that these venues are indeed qualitative and world class.  their not.

IMO, all of our current sporting venues SUCK... except for the SHELL ENERGY STADIUM.  the new ownership of SHELL ENERGY STADIUM, harbor no issues with taking the full initiative, and maintaining their respective WORLD CLASS stadium with full qualitative... EVERYTHING.  the stadium is simply MAGNIFICENT.  brilliant in design, construction, and overall quality... and is obviously aging quite gracefully.  now THIS... is what my initial sentiment regarding houston's sporting venues is all about...

Edited April 4 by monarch

[samagon]

@monarch what's wrong with MMP? as a baseball stadium, it's great. the exterior looks fine, walking through the mezzanine near the Crawford boxes sets the tone of baseball really well. actually, that whole left field area has an energy to it that reminds me of other classic ballparks that I have visited. walking around the entire first level it is built in a way that pretty much anywhere you walk, you can see the field. it is a really great design.

and I wholeheartedly agree with whatever we're calling the soccer stadium these days being another amazing venue for the sport.

if we're going to compare all venues to play major sports, then I would also say that NRG is a really fun place to watch football. there again, from a lot of the mezzanine areas you can see the field, or at least there's an opening view of the volume of space.

TDECU is a really great field too.

which leaves us with the Toyota center as the oddball venue that kind of sucks. it doesn't particularly look memorable from the outside, and when you are inside there's not a lot to it either. it's not memorable. as a venue, in my unqualified and unrequested opinion, whoever designed it really phoned it in.

for as old as the Summit was, I miss that place for an arena. if they could have built a duplicate of that where Toyota is now that would have been best. the glass walls served two purposes (and actually you can see this in play at MMP and also NRG), people inside have a sense of openness and expansiveness, even when cramped in with thousands of other people all trying to leave the place at the same time. if you're claustrophobic, it's not so bad. and from the outside, you look in and see a lot of action, people moving about, and you wonder what's going on, you even want to be there.

anyway, point of all this is, really the problem with Houston's major sports venues is just Toyota center being a sucky place. MMP, Shell, MMP, even TDECU are all great examples of places that create and build excitement for whatever you are going there for.

[tigereye]

16 hours ago, monarch said:

^^^ i see you, and i can certainly comprehend your sentiment here @tigereye  however, my initial statements were never a lesson in HOUSTON SPORTS VENUE GEOGRAPHY.  my initial sentiment was, is... always regarding the actual QUALITY, PLANNING, and CONSTRUCTION of the actual VENUES themselves.  you have initiated a very eloquent illustration of the GEOGRAPHICAL attributes regarding houston's said venues.  however, the geographical or CLOSENESS of the venues inside HOUSTON PROPER, doesn't necessarily mean that these venues are indeed qualitative and world class.  their not.

IMO, all of our current sporting venues SUCK... except for the SHELL ENERGY STADIUM.  the new ownership of SHELL ENERGY STADIUM, harbor no issues with taking the full initiative, and maintaining their respective WORLD CLASS stadium with full qualitative... EVERYTHING.  the stadium is simply MAGNIFICENT.  brilliant in design, construction, and overall quality... and is obviously aging quite gracefully.  now THIS... is what my initial sentiment regarding houston's sporting venues is all about...

While I would agree that geographical locations of venues don’t have anything to do with the quality of the actual building, location can play a vital role in the overall experience. In Houston’s case, it provides the opportunity to build a vibrant neighborhood Downtown and we already have several key building blocks in place with more development coming. A lot of us experienced that first hand this week during Final Four Fan Fest at Discovery Green as the Astros kicked off Opening Day Weekend and the Rockets hosted the Lakers, all within walking distance of each other. Downtown was vibrant this weekend. 

As for the venues themselves, I disagree with all of them sucking. Minute Maid Park is very underrated in that it’s one of only 2 ballparks in the world with a high low retractable roof rail track design that results in a 3 dimensional opening when the roof is retracted, offering unobstructed skyline views that most retractable roofed stadiums simply can’t match. The only other ballpark to do this is its pseudo-twin that opened around the same time (July 1999), Seattle’s T-Mobile Park, which is consistently rated as one of the best parks in baseball. This is an example of great design that later retractable roof parks should have followed but simply couldn’t due to rising costs. Also compare MMP & T-Mobile Park’s high-low roof rail design to other retractable roofed park that opened around the same timeframe: Phoenix’s Chase Field (1998) & Milwaukee’s Miller Park (2000). I think you’ll agree Houston got a great designed ballpark for a fairly low budget. We got lucky here. 

Meanwhile NRG Stadium was ahead of its time as a retractable roofed facility never before seen in the NFL when it debuted in 2002. It may have aged and been passed up by newer venues with more outlandish designs like LA’s SoFi Stadium but it still consistently attracts large events like this week’s Final Four, College Football National Championship Game in 2024, and the World Cup in 2026. It’s not as bad as FedEx Field or FirstEnergy Stadium or any other venue built in the timeframe it debuted. It has good bones and with its lease expiration approaching, it will be interesting to see how the Texans and Rodeo renovate to keep up with Mercedes-Benz Stadiums of the world today. (I’d guess this might occur sooner ahead of the World Cup, FIFA doesn’t allow World Cup matches on turf so NRG will need to install grass by 2026) 

And this leads to my final point. Venues  can always be renovated into something even better. And with the end of Toyota Center’s lease due within ten years, we’ll likely see a major renovation of TC as part of a deal to extend the lease. The question is what work will be done? Could it be a dramatic new glass exterior facade like Cleveland’s Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse or interior upgrades like what Atlanta did at State Farm Arena? We shall see…

 

 

Edited April 5 by tigereye

[Houston19514]

29 minutes ago, tigereye said:

 it will be interesting to see how the Texans and Rodeo renovate to keep up with Mercedes-Benz Stadiums of the world today. (I’d guess this might occur sooner ahead of the World Cup, FIFA doesn’t allow World Cup matches on turf so NRG will need to install grass by 2026) 

Interesting about needing grass for the World Cup.  I had not noticed that.  On further inquiry, it turns out Eight of the 16 venues chosen to host World Cup 2026 games have artificial-turf fields. Interesting article from the Philadelphia Inquirer.

[houstontexasjack]

17 hours ago, monarch said:

^^^ i see you, and i can certainly comprehend your sentiment here @tigereye  however, my initial statements were never a lesson in HOUSTON SPORTS VENUE GEOGRAPHY.  my initial sentiment was, is... always regarding the actual QUALITY, PLANNING, and CONSTRUCTION of the actual VENUES themselves.  you have initiated a very eloquent illustration of the GEOGRAPHICAL attributes regarding houston's said venues.  however, the geographical or CLOSENESS of the venues inside HOUSTON PROPER, doesn't necessarily mean that these venues are indeed qualitative and world class.  their not.

I disagree that they all “suck.” The Juice Box is great. Lots of natural light, good skyline view to the west, comfortable concourse, pretty attractive exterior style drawing from Old Union Station.

The Toyota Center is just mediocre. It’s an okay place to catch a game. It’s exterior design has all the charm of a suburban Best Buy.

NRG………okay, you got me there.

 

 

 

[samagon]

3 hours ago, tigereye said:

...Could it be a dramatic new glass exterior facade like Cleveland’s Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse...

I don't think that it could be stated enough that one of the standout features of the Summit was the glass facade. I can't count how many times I would drive by the Summit in the evening and see people walking around with the lights on inside and want to be a part of whatever was happening.

architecturally, it may have been a bunch of beige boxes with dark glass facade, but it absolutely seemed to always want to invite you in.

if they could do something similar to Toyota center, that would make it worlds better in my estimation.

 

[Houston19514]

28 minutes ago, samagon said:

I don't think that it could be stated enough that one of the standout features of the Summit was the glass facade. I can't count how many times I would drive by the Summit in the evening and see people walking around with the lights on inside and want to be a part of whatever was happening.

architecturally, it may have been a bunch of beige boxes with dark glass facade, but it absolutely seemed to always want to invite you in.

if they could do something similar to Toyota center, that would make it worlds better in my estimation.

 

Actually, there are quite a few windows facing the streets on Toyota Center.  I happened to notice it this weekend when I was downtown for the March Madness Music Fest.  Walking by Toyota Center, it was easy to see people inside, letting us know there was something going on there as well, and seeing the crowd of people flocking to the front entrance was inviting as well.

Edited April 5 by Houston19514

[steve1363]

It’s interesting how people on this forum are lauding Shell (former BBVA) Stadium.  I’ve never been in it but all I’ve ever heard is it’s a sauna with no air-flow for games.  Was that flaw corrected?  It is a nice looking stadium, I’ll admit.

On Sirius XM channel 84 this weekend I was disappointed by the hosts comments that “he couldn’t get a vibe for how many out of town fans were attending the games because ‘all the venues and hotels are so far apart’”. He gave no credit for all the Discovery Green events which looked great on TV.  I guess development around NRG really is needed.  People want activity around the stadium.

MMP is wonderful and the area is only getting better!

[79ta]

Hopefully there's some bylaw stating neither Astros nor Texans shall be permitted to move from their current venue until their retractable roofs are fully utilized. It's sad how little they're open.

On the other hand, the Rockets looking ahead seems reasonable. They called The Summit home for 29 years and are now at 19 with the Toyota Center. If building a new stadium takes five to seven years then planning for the next arena should begin relatively soon?

Edited April 5 by 79ta

[freundb]

1 hour ago, steve1363 said:

It’s interesting how people on this forum are lauding Shell (former BBVA) Stadium.  I’ve never been in it but all I’ve ever heard is it’s a sauna with no air-flow for games.  Was that flaw corrected?  It is a nice looking stadium, I’ll admit.

 

I was only in it when the USWNT was here a summer or two ago, and I sweat through everything just sitting there. It was brutal. There are big ass fans up under the awning, but I couldn't feel them towards the bottom of the upper level. 

[nate4l1f3]

8 hours ago, steve1363 said:

It’s interesting how people on this forum are lauding Shell (former BBVA) Stadium.  I’ve never been in it but all I’ve ever heard is it’s a sauna with no air-flow for games.  Was that flaw corrected?  It is a nice looking stadium, I’ll admit.

On Sirius XM channel 84 this weekend I was disappointed by the hosts comments that “he couldn’t get a vibe for how many out of town fans were attending the games because ‘all the venues and hotels are so far apart’”. He gave no credit for all the Discovery Green events which looked great on TV.  I guess development around NRG really is needed.  People want activity around the stadium.

MMP is wonderful and the area is only getting better!

I was out and about all weekend and I spotted out of town fans EVERYWHERE. He must just not be a fan of the city and that’s ok. 

[j_cuevas713]

I'm trying to get an understanding of when people say "far apart." I've travelled to other cities where I had to take transit to access another part of the city that wasn't close to the downtown. And not once was I like, "Man this sure is far." I feel like some of that criticism is nonsense, especially when the Red Line takes you straight to NRG. Downtown was fun this weekend, so I don't get it. 

[LosFeliz]

Not sure how it worked this year but in years past, two team hotels were downtown and two were in the Galleria area. If you got stuck at the Westin Oaks as a team hotel, I could see how it would suck. You'd need bus transfers for everything for your cheer/band/dance teams as well as alumni events. I'm hoping all four were downtown this year as it seems as if Hyatt, Hilton Americas, Marriott Marquis, and one other could do the trick. But it sure would be nice to get that W built and the Astros hotel and in the future all 4 team hotels could be near Discovery Green.

[j_cuevas713]

2 minutes ago, LosFeliz said:

Not sure how it worked this year but in years past, two team hotels were downtown and two were in the Galleria area. If you got stuck at the Westin Oaks as a team hotel, I could see how it would suck. You'd need bus transfers for everything for your cheer/band/dance teams as well as alumni events. I'm hoping all four were downtown this year as it seems as if Hyatt, Hilton Americas, Marriott Marquis, and one other could do the trick. But it sure would be nice to get that W built and the Astros hotel and in the future all 4 team hotels could be near Discovery Green.

Yeah all 4 were downtown this year. They used the JW Marriott on Main, AC Hotel on Main, The Marriott Marquis, and the Hilton. The city also put vinyl stickers on the windows showing which team was staying where. 

[staresatmaps]

28 minutes ago, LosFeliz said:

Not sure how it worked this year but in years past, two team hotels were downtown and two were in the Galleria area. If you got stuck at the Westin Oaks as a team hotel, I could see how it would suck. You'd need bus transfers for everything for your cheer/band/dance teams as well as alumni events. I'm hoping all four were downtown this year as it seems as if Hyatt, Hilton Americas, Marriott Marquis, and one other could do the trick. But it sure would be nice to get that W built and the Astros hotel and in the future all 4 team hotels could be near Discovery Green.

I know UConn cheer/band/dance was at the Magnolia downtown

[Brooklyn173]

San Diego State was at JW Marriott.

[bookey23]

I thought I saw the UMiami bus at the C Baldwin, but I could be wrong.

[steve1363]

Could be that those radio hosts were stuck at NRG away from the action?  Does anyone know where the media stayed?  I guess it was Westwood One Radio that covered all the games.

Remember the group of teams playing did not make a buzz nationally.  Apparently the men’s final 4 was the opposite of the women’s final 4 where Caitlin Clark was the undisputed star of the tournament.  The announcers said they felt like they were defending the men’s college game all week.  The announcer made the comment in that context…said he could not get a feel for the excitement about the men’s games.  This was about 2:00 Saturday afternoon before the gates were open at NRG.

I saw a tweet today that the games were a windfall for the city of Houston…so there’s that.

[Tumbleweed_Tx]

they were a windfall for me since I worked two events for the sponsors. I couldn't post that the first night because I ditched one job to take the one for the sponsors of the tourney...

[Sunstar]

On 4/6/2023 at 3:23 PM, j_cuevas713 said:

I'm trying to get an understanding of when people say "far apart." I've travelled to other cities where I had to take transit to access another part of the city that wasn't close to the downtown. And not once was I like, "Man this sure is far." I feel like some of that criticism is nonsense, especially when the Red Line takes you straight to NRG. Downtown was fun this weekend, so I don't get it. 

I feel like this is par for the course for any big sporting event. Media personalities come into your town and complain. If it were in New York someone would complain how crappy the subways were (they are but that’s missing the point). 
 

For me the proof is in all the major events we are getting. The Superbowl, two NCAA final fours, a national championship, and a World Cup venue. This isn’t just luck. This is due to a sustained effort to build out our sporting venues, our transit connecting events, and most importantly our urban core. This means a lot more than some random politician or radio personality ragging on us with vague insults. 
 

 

 

[Houston19514]

56 minutes ago, Sunstar said:

I feel like this is par for the course for any big sporting event. Media personalities come into your town and complain. If it were in New York someone would complain how crappy the subways were (they are but that’s missing the point). 
 

For me the proof is in all the major events we are getting. The Superbowl, two NCAA final fours, a national championship, and a World Cup venue. This isn’t just luck. This is due to a sustained effort to build out our sporting venues, our transit connecting events, and most importantly our urban core. This means a lot more than some random politician or radio personality ragging on us with vague insults.

I think that's largely correct. But most cities just shrug it off.  In Houston we wallow in it.  It's like we can't get enough of the abuse.

[mattyt36]

On 4/6/2023 at 4:20 PM, bookey23 said:

I thought I saw the UMiami bus at the C Baldwin, but I could be wrong.

Pretty sure Miami was at the Hyatt as the awning was lit in UM colors and the hotel was wrapped with the UM logo.

[editor]

On 4/6/2023 at 3:37 PM, j_cuevas713 said:

Yeah all 4 were downtown this year. They used the JW Marriott on Main, AC Hotel on Main, The Marriott Marquis, and the Hilton. The city also put vinyl stickers on the windows showing which team was staying where. 

The AC Hotel had whichever team was the Owls.  Something out of Florida, I think.

[Big E]

5 hours ago, editor said:

The AC Hotel had whichever team was the Owls.  Something out of Florida, I think.

Florida Atlantic

[j_cuevas713]

On 4/8/2023 at 10:57 AM, Sunstar said:

I feel like this is par for the course for any big sporting event. Media personalities come into your town and complain. If it were in New York someone would complain how crappy the subways were (they are but that’s missing the point). 
 

For me the proof is in all the major events we are getting. The Superbowl, two NCAA final fours, a national championship, and a World Cup venue. This isn’t just luck. This is due to a sustained effort to build out our sporting venues, our transit connecting events, and most importantly our urban core. This means a lot more than some random politician or radio personality ragging on us with vague insults. 
 

 

 

You nailed it! 

[X.R.]

On 4/6/2023 at 4:52 PM, steve1363 said:

Could be that those radio hosts were stuck at NRG away from the action?  Does anyone know where the media stayed?  I guess it was Westwood One Radio that covered all the games.

Remember the group of teams playing did not make a buzz nationally.  Apparently the men’s final 4 was the opposite of the women’s final 4 where Caitlin Clark was the undisputed star of the tournament.  The announcers said they felt like they were defending the men’s college game all week.  The announcer made the comment in that context…said he could not get a feel for the excitement about the men’s games.  This was about 2:00 Saturday afternoon before the gates were open at NRG.

I saw a tweet today that the games were a windfall for the city of Houston…so there’s that.

They were probably in the Woodlands. Wanted to work on their golf AND work the games. Little did they know it meant they had to work to get to the games.

[Houston19514]

On 2/20/2023 at 11:06 AM, shasta said:

but they will NEVER put a patch on their jersey.

I'm a huge fan of the Houston Astros organization but the OXY patch is a bad move.

Any chance you’ve noticed you could not have been more wrong?  Indeed, as I told you would happen, the Yankees sold  advertising patches on their jerseys.  https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/yankees-add-advertising-patch-to-jersey-sleeves-worth-reported-25-million-a-year/amp/
 

 

Edited August 5 by Houston19514

[steve1363]

6 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

Any chance you’ve noticed you could not have been more wrong?  Indeed, as I told you would happen, the Yankees are wearing advertising patches on their jerseys.

Ok!  You get the gold star on the internet!  You were right!  Your "told ya so" internet persona is much less likeable BUT you were right!  🤣

And I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the Yankees, considering all the other perversions in this day and age that are now considered "normal!"

[Twinsanity02]

11 hours ago, steve1363 said:

Ok!  You get the gold star on the internet!  You were right!  Your "told ya so" internet persona is much less likeable BUT you were right!  🤣

And I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the Yankees, considering all the other perversions in this day and age that are now considered "normal!"

I agree with much that you say. But one should not be surprised by what the teams are doing. Millions of people pay for clothing which gives free advertisement for companies or celebrities. The teams at least are getting some compensation.

[shasta]

14 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

Any chance you’ve noticed you could not have been more wrong?  Indeed, as I told you would happen, the Yankees sold  advertising patches on their jerseys.  https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/yankees-add-advertising-patch-to-jersey-sleeves-worth-reported-25-million-a-year/amp/
 

 

I was wrong.

 

Yankees = no names on the back of the jerseys because it's about the TEAM, not an Individual plus we don't want to mess with our classic look.

 

Also, the Yankees= yeah we will add a cheesy patch on our jerseys for money

[BigFootsSocks]

18 hours ago, steve1363 said:

Ok!  You get the gold star on the internet!  You were right!  Your "told ya so" internet persona is much less likeable BUT you were right!  🤣

And I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the Yankees, considering all the other perversions in this day and age that are now considered "normal!"

Curious what these other perversions are

[cspwal]

1 minute ago, BigFootsSocks said:

Curious what these other perversions are

In 2017 the Yankees actually put names on the back of their uniforms for “players weekend”

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2019/08/yankees-aaron-boone-tired-of-silly-players-weekend-jerseys.html?outputType=amp

[LosFeliz]

Sure wish this would have gotten out of the ground before Crane decided to tear down another historic home. 

[steve1363]

2 hours ago, BigFootsSocks said:

Curious what these other perversions are

Some things are best left to the imagination…

[houstontexasjack]

3 hours ago, BigFootsSocks said:

Curious what these other perversions are

I invoke Rule 34.

[samagon]

On 8/5/2023 at 4:03 PM, BigFootsSocks said:

Curious what these other perversions are

this thread just got real interesting

On 8/5/2023 at 6:58 PM, steve1363 said:

Some things are best left to the imagination…

awww :(

[goofy]

From x:

https://x.com/iammarybenton/status/1720151483025362995?s=42&t=fsBYoidunkKl3Yr6apX4AQ

 

at the state of downtown address, the astros showed off renderings of the mixed use plans and said “soon”

Edited November 2 by goofy

[shasta]

Is it one building...not a village?

 

Doesn't look very baseball-ey (i.e the district around the St. Louis Cardinal's stadium

 

Edited November 2 by shasta

[jhjones74]

4 minutes ago, shasta said:

Is it one building...not a village?

Doesn't look very baseball-ey (i.e the district around the St. Louis Cardinal's stadium

That rendering suggests a new building and a parking garage - definitely good to see progress here but as you can see below that's only a small dent in the surface parking lot oasis that surrounds Minute Maid

 

[shasta]

So they scaled this project back? I was thinking it was going to be multiple blocks similar to these Baseball oriented  villages in other cities.

 

The rendering doesn't scream "Baseball" or "Astros" to me.

Just looks like a hotel the Houston Astros are investing in.

[texan]

41 minutes ago, shasta said:

So they scaled this project back? I was thinking it was going to be multiple blocks similar to these Baseball oriented  villages in other cities.

 

The rendering doesn't scream "Baseball" or "Astros" to me.

Just looks like a hotel the Houston Astros are investing in.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think of this as just the first phase. The rendering is also clearly VERY preliminary. Looks more like a massing and lighting study accompanied by a drawing and site plan.

Edited November 2 by texan

[mattyt36]

Just now, texan said:

I don't think it's unreasonable to think of this as just the first phase. The rendering is also clearly VERY preliminary. Looks more like a massing and lighting study accompanied by a drawing and site plan.

💯

It's obviously a conceptual rendering

That said, I fear it would imply they aren't that far along

[monarch]

^^^ come on HAIFERS, can we become a bit more realistic here?  this is not DALLAS, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, or wherever... this is HOUSTON!  we are supposed to be the "FOURTH LARGEST CITY IN THE NATION"... yet, basically, everything that we do here construction-wise is seemingly ULTRA CONSERVATIVE... STOIC... LETHARGIC... and looking like something right out of the 80's.  oh, and guess what, DALLAS is supposed to be the "CONSERVATIVE" city... right?  please allow us a moment to say THANK U to @goofy for taking the initiative to share these LONG-AWAITED renders/concepts of the proposed astros new downtown development.  however, they are a bit on par as to what i was guesstimating.  i have long realized that it's time to start tempering my expectations when it comes to houston development, as there just does not seem to be any real MAGIC here anymore.  heck, i'm almost too afraid to open and focus my eyes upon the forthcoming new GEORGE R. BROWN civic center renovations/upgrades renderings/concepts that are supposed to be due out at some point this fall.  somehow, i just know that i'm going to be a bit disappointed... especially, in lieu of DALLAS getting ready to break ground upon a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR brand spanking new civic center.  my gosh, their respective downtown region is going to be amazing.  they seem to have everything over houston lately.  what in the holy hell are we doing here?  DALLAS has just constructed a brand spanking new rangers ballpark (that they really did not need).  they subsequently constructed a DALLAS LIVE entertainment district to accompany their new ballpark which is elegant, lively, and very posh.  heck, our ASTROS are two-time WORLD CHAMPIONS, and what do they have?  (a very aging ballpark and a few new lackluster renderings/concepts of a forthcoming hotel etc..)  sigh... 

[LosFeliz]

That looks awful. 

It is Green Street. Parking, a hotel, and retail that doesn't look to engage the streets at all. There's even a skywalk it looks like.

And I know it's early but we built a "throwback" park with brick and a nod to Union Station and the village looks to be a Galleria 5 from 1988?

Edited November 2 by LosFeliz

[shasta]

look like one of those international style housing block whereas the Cardinals one LOOKS like a Baseball Village!

How hard is it to continue the aesthetic from MMP?

Even the apartment across the street tried to match the stadium.

Come on Houston Astros!!