Houston19514 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said: When you decide to go to law school, you can take a course on equitable relief. After that, you will understand, that they haven't "lost." The case is still PENDING. Personally, I hope they do lose. It will be great for the city. However, they have clearly been winning all across the country, see, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Miami, etc... Read more carefully. (One would have thought you would have learned THAT in law school.) They lost on the argument and they lost on the issues before the Court in the matter you cited. Reading more carefully also would have allowed you to avoid making the original misstatement that Pottinger had anything to do with immutable status. Being more honest would allow you to admit your error. Again, being homeless is not, never has been, and never will be, an immutable status. One does not have to have graduated from law school to understand this basic fact. Edited June 12, 2019 by Houston19514 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
102IAHexpress Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I thought you would have known the difference between a TRO and Trial? I guess not. As a brief history, the ACLU filed suit and asked for a TRO pending trial. Which is customary. Surprisingly the TRO was denied (that's why it made the news). However, the Trial is still pending. This is very basic civics. You file a lawsuit and then then you have a trail. Not sure what's so difficult about that? The ACLU COULD very well end up wining at trial. In fact they have a pretty good track record of winning. And even if they lose at the trial level, they WILL appeal. They also have a very good track record at appeals. Again, look at all the homeless camps across the country. You think the mayors of all of those cities haven't tried to eliminate them? Of course! But they keep losing the legal battle against the ACLU (see the immutable status argument). Again, I hope the City of Houston ends up making permanent legal victories against the ACLU, but that remains to be seen. We will have to wait and see. If you would like to read more about status crimes, then I encourage to look at the Supreme Court case Robinson v. California. This is very basic criminal law, but essentially every crime requires two things, a voluntary act (actus reus) and intent (mens rea). The winning argument (which I don't agree with) has been that homeless people have not satisfied both the elements above. That is to say, they are immutably homeless at the time of the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 102IAHexpress said: I thought you would have known the difference between a TRO and Trial? I guess not. As a brief history, the ACLU filed suit and asked for a TRO pending trial. Which is customary. Surprisingly the TRO was denied (that's why it made the news). However, the Trial is still pending. This is very basic civics. You file a lawsuit and then then you have a trail. Not sure what's so difficult about that? The ACLU COULD very well end up wining at trial. In fact they have a pretty good track record of winning. And even if they lose at the trial level, they WILL appeal. They also have a very good track record at appeals. Again, look at all the homeless camps across the country. You think the mayors of all of those cities haven't tried to eliminate them? Of course! But they keep losing the legal battle against the ACLU (see the immutable status argument). Again, I hope the City of Houston ends up making permanent legal victories against the ACLU, but that remains to be seen. We will have to wait and see. If you would like to read more about status crimes, then I encourage to look at the Supreme Court case Robinson v. California. This is very basic criminal law, but essentially every crime requires two things, a voluntary act (actus reus) and intent (mens rea). The winning argument (which I don't agree with) has been that homeless people have not satisfied both the elements above. That is to say, they are immutably homeless at the time of the offense. ROFL Immutable at the time... That's a good one! And the dishonesty continues. It's what we've come to expect from you. Edited June 12, 2019 by Houston19514 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
102IAHexpress Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Not sure whats so funny? All the elements of the crime have to be met And be met simultaneously. Again pretty basic crim law 101. Act + intent at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
102IAHexpress Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Good LA Times article from today discussing all the legal rulings they have to navigate in SoCal to try to be compliant with the 9th circuit. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-homeless-camping-sidewalks-lawsuits-20190613-story.html Meanwhile over in NYC, this is the new pilot program they are implementing in their fight against homeless panhandlers on the subway. https://nypost.com/2019/06/13/de-blasio-announces-program-to-get-unruly-homeless-riders-into-shelters/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJilliams Posted July 2, 2019 Author Share Posted July 2, 2019 Interesting read. I wasn’t aware Dallas had surpassed us in terms of homeless population: https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/02/why-homelessness-going-down-houston-dallas/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Meanwhile, in Austin: https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/starting-monday-homeless-people-will-be-able-to-camp-on-city-sidewalks/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJilliams Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 9:04 AM, HoustonMidtown said: Meanwhile, in Austin: https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/starting-monday-homeless-people-will-be-able-to-camp-on-city-sidewalks/ I saw this story, these new rules have me very worried for our neighbors in the north. We've always joked about Austin being "New California", but it seems as though they are failing to learn from homeless situations on the west coast. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 When the crummy band I'm in played in Austin in February, we went by the venue during the day. There were homeless people camped out front, and a homeless shelter was across the street on Red River. (It is a half block away from Stubbs) When night came, a homeless woman who had a nice setup on the street corner at the venue packed up her tent looking thing and her padding, and moved on. I''m sure she went right back there at 2am after we were gone. So I thought street camping was already legal in Austin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HoustonMidtown Posted March 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) They are fencing off areas around the homeless camps under 59/69 (near Minute Maid Park) Untitled by Houston Midtown, on Flickr Edited March 13, 2020 by HoustonMidtown 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEES?! Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) Two recent articles on initiatives in the area. Second phase of CCHA to begin and Houston City Council approves plans for homelessness service center in Fifth Ward over pushback from some community members It sounds like Houston’s been doing more aggressive disbandment of camps. Good on the city, is how I feel. It is absolutely inhumane to let unwell, down-on-their-luck, or addicted people languish on the streets in hazardous conditions. And in the summertime it is downright dangerous. I get peeved when I see well-meaning people on places like the Houston subreddit get bent out of shape when they clear out encampments. I get that the optics are bad. But I’d rather a bad photo op then people getting murdered, contracting and spreading completely preventable diseases, raped, robbed, and left to die instead of being given a chance to get their life back on track. Some people are always gonna refuse help- that’s certain and an unfortunate inevitability. (And I’m willing to bet a lot of those people are very addicted to drugs, or profoundly mentally unwell) But you don’t deal with that by just throwing up your hands and going “WELP. 🤷♀️ Guess we’ll just let them camp on the streets and die, no biggie. That’s the kind thing to do.” I am really curious to see the long term outcome for these people who are given housing- it sounds promising since the program was implemented a decade ago. I think the annual count of the homeless folks is fixing to happen, if it hasn’t already. COVID definitely caused some setbacks for the effort to help homeless people off the streets, but at least the city is trying to remedy it and push forward. Edited January 28, 2022 by BEES?! 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEES?! Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (If my double post is against the rules, mods please let me know and I’ll fix it!) I thought I’d bump the thread ‘cause the 2022 PIT count is up- the whole thing is here, and they have a 2-page executive summary here. If I’m understanding it right, they used a different methodology for the 2021 count due to COVID, and I guess the numbers might be lower than they should be. The 2020 count put the homeless population at 3974, in 2021 it was 3047, and this year it was 3223. It’s a dramatic improvement since 2011, when the count was 8471. Houston has done a commendable job trying to help these folks get off the street and into housing. It seems like even with COVID, we’ve been really on top of things helping people off the street. The CCHA money seems to have been a big help. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 In today's New York Times: Houston Moved 25,000 People From the Streets Into Homes of Their Own The subtitle is "The nation’s fourth-largest city hasn’t solved homelessness, but its remarkable progress can suggest a way forward." 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapo2367 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 "The number of people deemed homeless in the Houston region has been cut by 63 percent since 2011, according to the latest numbers from local officials. Even judging by the more modest metrics registered in a 2020 federal report, Houston did more than twice as well as the rest of the country at reducing homelessness over the previous decade." Amazing -- especially considering that 1.5 million more people live in the Houston metro area now vs in 2011. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 "Houston City Council voted Tuesday to approve a $7.1 million contract—paid in ARPA funds—for a third-party contractor that will aid the city in its ongoing push to clear homeless camps and re-home those living on the street." https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-homeless-camp-clearing-population-17274023.php 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobruss Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I just read an inspirational article about a woman in Portland Oregon, who made a promise to do something about homelessness during a college spring break as a volunteer in a program for homeless families. Here is a link to the article. She kept her word and it's working. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/us/oregon-homeless-families-shelter-housing-cnnheroes/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEES?! Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 There was an article posted in r/Houston about the region’s homeless initiatives: https://www.governing.com/housing/how-houston-cut-its-homeless-population-by-nearly-two-thirds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 Forgot to post these pics from Thursday afternoon. City of Houston, TXDOT and Metro were clearing out the homeless encampment under and around IH 59/69 at Runnels and Elysian. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 "When the Coalition for the Homeless in Houston and Harris County learned its chief executive was ready to retire, its board contacted local nonprofits. Board members wanted feedback on what qualities were important in the next person to take the helm of the organization, which coordinates homelessness strategy across the region. Kelly Young, chief executive of Career and Recovery Resources, remembers pondering the question at work as she sat at her desk answering emails and during her free time as she hit tennis balls in Cleveland Park. Her organization helped those without homes enter the workforce, receive substance abuse treatment and connect with housing. So, she was deeply invested in the Coalition’s continued success and wanted to make the most of her opportunity to influence the board’s decision-making. But she was shocked when she was called in for a follow-up conversation — this time as a job candidate. The Coalition for the Homeless announced on Nov. 2 that Young will take the reins as its new chief executive. The decision comes when the organization is celebrated for its role in Houston’s decreasing homeless count in the past decade when other major cities experienced an increase. When the board asked if she was interested in interviewing for the position, Young said she realized it was what she wanted to do. While she loved her role at Career and Recovery Resources, she would also love to think about the region’s strategy more broadly, and she found the prospect of the challenge exciting. She assumes leadership during a period of change: COVID-related funding, which helped the city, county and partners reduce the homeless count, is drawing to a close. Housing costs, which are correlated with homelessness rates, are rising." https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/housing/article/coalition-for-the-homeless-houston-kelly-young-ceo-18460167.php 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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