lockmat Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 NYC mayor wants to ban steel and glass high rises. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-de-blasio-says-green-new-deal-will-ban-inefficient-steel-and-glass-skyscrapers Thoughts? Should Houston do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Key word: inefficient. As in, single pane glass, old school 1 or 2 zones a floor HVAC, dark roofs, etc., etc. - like an office I had a few years ago in an early 80s building in which we alternately baked or froze, depending on the season. We were on the top floor (21); you could see the uninsulated underside of the concrete roof deck above the ceiling tiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIREhat Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 What LEED certification does the Chrysler Building hold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cspwal Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 hours ago, FIREhat said: What LEED certification does the Chrysler Building hold? No LEED certification, but it does pretty well https://www.energymanagertoday.com/chrysler-building-more-energy-efficient-than-world-trade-center-087933/ Quote Energy efficiency data from some high-profile buildings in New York City shows that some old structures, such as the Chrysler Building, have higher Energy Star scores than some newer so-called “green” buildings. Quote The fine scores are attributed to extensive upgrades of insulation and mechanical systems. Also, older buildings tend to have thicker walls, fewer windows and less ventilation, resulting in better thermal envelopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 12 hours ago, lockmat said: NYC mayor wants to ban steel and glass high rises. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-de-blasio-says-green-new-deal-will-ban-inefficient-steel-and-glass-skyscrapers Thoughts? Should Houston do the same? Environmentalism has basically become a dogmatic religion at this point. Which is a shame because there are legitimate concerns that must be addressed and environmentalist do have a point in some of the things they say. At this point though greenhouse gases or emissions can essentially be equated to "original sin" and now the sinners must pay reparations and surrender themselves to the new god of mother nature. Only the pure followers of the faith can build skyscrapers and we will exert social pressure (like the neocon christian right before us) to make you bend the knee and obey. If you want to end business in your city....then sure go implement these things, but businesses will go elsewhere. A better way to approach this is to give incentives for implementing these kinds of changes and not punishments. People always respond better to incentives rather than punishments. Then again, the type of people that want to implement such policies don't like business anyway. You can tell because there words are caked in negative thinking instead of positive thinking about the situation at hand. Now as far as LEED is concerned. That is a whole other topic. From my time either in taking LEED classes in school, or researching LEED in general during practice its become evident to me as it has become evident to anyone in this industry that LEED isn't meant to make your building "greener" or at least it only does so in a superficial way. LEED is a social identifier and a social signaler than anything else. To my point above, LEED is like preclaiming that you are the most pious in regards to environmentalism, but without really making the effort. The only thing that works in LEED is the energy modeling which is legit by all accounts and is effective in managing energy cost down the road, but thats its only worth. Terrible ideas. Way to much top down social pressures at an authoritarian level to sustain or manage. Houston should stay as far away from it as possible and instead start courting anyone who wants to run away from NYC and come here instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 👺 Dang authoritarian freedom hating building codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinsanity02 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Let NYC do what NYC wants to do. We are not some puppy who has to follow every example of NYC or LA. We can set our own tune. Continue with the skyscrapers! Love them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, mollusk said: 👺 Dang authoritarian freedom hating building codes. Building Codes are fine. Those change incrementally and at a rate the industry can handle and adjust too. Those Codes are also discussed, debated, and tested by actual engineers and architects who know what they are talking about. What De Blasio is proposing...is just insanity. He is basically calling for revolution on an entire typology and envelope system that also happens to be a big reason why new york is such a successful city. The engineers and architects that work at improving the IBC are doing there best to create codes that sensible to the greatest amount of designers, architects, and engineers possible. De Blasio isn't doing that at all. He only cares about a tiny tiny fraction of a minority on the very fringe of the political spectrum meaning that he isn't making this decision in a way that would benefit as many new yorkers as possible but for a very tiny few. If you read exactly what he wants, you would understand immediately that this isn't someone how has ever built anything in his life. Not a building, not even a business. Building Codes start from the ground up with hundreds of people giving input to improve a very complicated system. De Blasio, with an iron hand, is forcefully putting into play new building codes that are coming from top down with no interaction or cooperation with industry leaders that actually know how this stuff works. Its not the codes that are authoritarian, its De Blasio who is an authoritarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 21 hours ago, Luminare said: Building Codes are fine. Those change incrementally and at a rate the industry can handle and adjust too. Those Codes are also discussed, debated, and tested by actual engineers and architects who know what they are talking about. What De Blasio is proposing...is just insanity. He is basically calling for revolution on an entire typology and envelope system that also happens to be a big reason why new york is such a successful city. The engineers and architects that work at improving the IBC are doing there best to create codes that sensible to the greatest amount of designers, architects, and engineers possible. De Blasio isn't doing that at all. He only cares about a tiny tiny fraction of a minority on the very fringe of the political spectrum meaning that he isn't making this decision in a way that would benefit as many new yorkers as possible but for a very tiny few. If you read exactly what he wants, you would understand immediately that this isn't someone how has ever built anything in his life. Not a building, not even a business. Building Codes start from the ground up with hundreds of people giving input to improve a very complicated system. De Blasio, with an iron hand, is forcefully putting into play new building codes that are coming from top down with no interaction or cooperation with industry leaders that actually know how this stuff works. Its not the codes that are authoritarian, its De Blasio who is an authoritarian. This is not new behavior for him. He has exerted pressure on the city's museums to make their boards resemble the racial breakdown of the city (i.e. 30% white, etc.), with penalties in city funding if they are not compliant. He is also not just a NYC phenomenon. Is this any more drastic than what is called for in the Green New Deal? This stuff will be hitting the national stage before long. The pendulum which brought us Trump's loonyness is swinging back the other way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJilliams Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 hour ago, H-Town Man said: This is not new behavior for him. He has exerted pressure on the city's museums to make their boards resemble the racial breakdown of the city (i.e. 30% white, etc.), with penalties in city funding if they are not compliant. He is also not just a NYC phenomenon. Is this any more drastic than what is called for in the Green New Deal? This stuff will be hitting the national stage before long. The pendulum which brought us Trump's loonyness is swinging back the other way.... Yep, the crazy politics of NYC and NY State, in general, is just one of the many reasons I moved to Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted April 24, 2019 Author Share Posted April 24, 2019 3 hours ago, H-Town Man said: This is not new behavior for him. He has exerted pressure on the city's museums to make their boards resemble the racial breakdown of the city (i.e. 30% white, etc.), with penalties in city funding if they are not compliant. He is also not just a NYC phenomenon. Is this any more drastic than what is called for in the Green New Deal? This stuff will be hitting the national stage before long. The pendulum which brought us Trump's loonyness is swinging back the other way.... I would say Obama got the pendulum swinging, but that's for another thread 💁♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Response Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 minute ago, lockmat said: I would say Obama got the pendulum swinging, but that's for another thread 💁♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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