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This has been talked about for a while, but it's offically official.

Here's what we know for sure:

1.If an NHL franchise comes to Houston in the near future, Les Alexander will be the owner of that team

2. Gary Bettman, the NHL Commissioner, is currently opposed to an expansion in the league. Which means that for Alexander to be successful, we may have to break another city's heart to get that team.

3. Among the teams with the best chances of being moved to Houston include the Washington Capitals, Pittsburg Penguins, Carolina Hurricanes, Buffalo Sabres, and irronically, the NASHVILLE Predators (remember the Titans/Oilers?)

4. George Postolos (Rockets President) more than likely would be President of the new franchise, or at least have a part on the administration

For the Whole story, here it is...

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3438046

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i like the aeros ( i know...). i'm sure they'll be completely forgotten about if NHL moves here...

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i like the aeros ( i know...). i'm sure they'll be completely forgotten about if NHL moves here...

Exactly, this city can barely support the Aeros, and they make it to the playoffs and still nobody turns out. I have gone to a few games, I love Aeros hockey, but I am not a hockey fan. :mellow:

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But there are a LOT of Yankees in Houston, and quite a few Canucks. Four transplant friends form the north have already emailed me saying they would buy season tickets. I think the reason there are not a lot of hockey fans in Houston is beacuse we never had hockey. But then again...we would have "fair weather" hockey fans just like we ahve "fair weather" basketball fans. Just wait until the Rockets reach the finals this year and all of the sudden we have 2 million Rockets fans (we couldn't even get 10,000 in the stadium 3 years ago.

MLS will also succeed here.

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But there are a LOT of Yankees in Houston, and quite a few Canucks. Four transplant friends form the north have already emailed me saying they would buy season tickets. I think the reason there are not a lot of hockey fans in Houston is beacuse we never had hockey. But then again...we would have "fair weather" hockey fans just like we ahve "fair weather" basketball fans. Just wait until the Rockets reach the finals this year and all of the sudden we have 2 million Rockets fans (we couldn't even get 10,000 in the stadium 3 years ago.

MLS will also succeed here.

Houston Aeros, were here once before and disbanned, then we got a new team. We've had hockey here before chief.

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Yep, IHL Aeros.

I saw Gordie Howell play when I was in 2nd grade.

I did too, and I seem to recall seeing Bobby Orr and his son play.

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But there are a LOT of Yankees in Houston, and quite a few Canucks. Four transplant friends form the north have already emailed me saying they would buy season tickets. I think the reason there are not a lot of hockey fans in Houston is beacuse we never had hockey. But then again...we would have "fair weather" hockey fans just like we ahve "fair weather" basketball fans. Just wait until the Rockets reach the finals this year and all of the sudden we have 2 million Rockets fans (we couldn't even get 10,000 in the stadium 3 years ago.

MLS will also succeed here.

I think both major league hockey and soccer would do well in Houston. Houstonians hadn't really supported the Aeros too much becuase they aren't major league. Maybe Houstonians think if it's not major it's not worth their time.

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I think both major league hockey and soccer would do well in Houston. Houstonians hadn't really supported the Aeros too much becuase they aren't major league. Maybe Houstonians think if it's not major it's not worth their time.

As a die-hard Houston Cougar fan, I sure know that's the truth.

Luckily, Tom Penders is putting UH basketball back on the map....Phi Slama Jama II coming to Hofheinz in less than 3 weeks!

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That's what I meant by saying we never had hockey - not an NHL team. We got another team, but not a pro team after the old Aeros. Actually, the Aeros attendance isn't too bad compared with other minor league teams.

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i'm a yankee and we NEED an NHL team. the aeros (sorry) don't cut.

i went to go see a fight and a hockey game broke out.

however, we can't steal the pengiuns or the sabres.

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I don't see the Penguins ever leaving Pittsburgh.

Of course, I'm one of those people who thinks that hockey shouldn't be played in cities where it doesn't freeze.

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I don't see the Penguins ever leaving Pittsburgh.

Of course, I'm one of those people who thinks that hockey shouldn't be played in cities where it doesn't freeze.

that explains why Wayne Gretzky's now coaching in Phoenix :lol: who knew?!

if we get MLS AND NHL, we'll officially be on the major sporting map.

We may also get NFL Europe training camp here too!

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3440388

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that explains why Wayne Gretzky's now coaching in Phoenix :lol: who knew?!

if we get MLS AND NHL, we'll officially be on the major sporting map.

We may also get NFL Europe training camp here too!

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3440388

We're not officially on the major sporting map, now?

Someone tell the Astros and Rockets....oh, and the Texans.

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We're not officially on the major sporting map, now?

Someone tell the Astros and Rockets....oh, and the Texans.

Honestly, we're almost there, but no, we are not where we should be on the map just yet.

Why? Here's my 4 reasons:

1. EVERYTIME I watch baseball, and they're talking about the legendary OR best baseball teams, they always talk about the Yankees, Red Sox, the Cubs (lovable Losers), and even the Dodgers and Cardinals. Basically every team with a payroll in the top 10 in baseball are considered worth talking about to them. They almost NEVER add our two Texas teams as legendary teams. To the baseball world, we've only had one legendary baseball player prior to the year 2000, and that was Nolan Ryan. I'm sorry, RedScare and TJones, but to be perfectly blunt, even though the Astros made it to the World Series, the Houston Astros are not even CLOSE to getting the recognition that they deserve.

2. The Rockets. Remember when the Rockets won their first NBA title, and not even Sports Illustrated was willing to put them on the cover because we beat the Knicks in the Finals? But the Knicks, Bulls, Pistons, Lakers, and Celtics are ALWAYS talked about as teams to watch. Even San Antonio had to kick and scream in order to get the respect they deserved this season. The Rockets have TRACY MCGRADY, YAO MING, DEREK ANDERSON, AND RAFER ASTON ON THEIR F*CKING STARTING LINE-UP, AND WE GOT EITHER STROMILE SWIFT OR JUWAN HOWARD ON THERE TOO!!!! WE GOT JEFF VAN GUNDY as coach. But not even FoxSports thinks the Rockets are in the top 5. http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/powerRankings I ALWAYS hear of Shaquille O Neal and Wilt Champerlan as the best centers in the NBA, but I NEVER hear of Hakeem Olajuwon. I NEVER hear of the 1993-1994-1995 Rockets as a championship team to be talked about. I rarely hear of Rudy Tomjonavich, Les Alexander, Gene Peterson, Calvin Murphy, Elvin Hayes, or Carroll Dawson getting their dues for what they have done to the game of basketball. The Rockets, like the Astros, are not even CLOSE to getting the recognition that they deserve.

3. The Texans. New team; hosted the Super Bowl once; have David Carr as quarterback; have a 1-6 record so far this season. That's ALL I've heard that's going on so far. Once again, they are new. They still are trying to develop into a team as historically known as the Packers, Cowboys, Raiders, or just about the other 28 teams in the league. The only way they have any significance for the time being is a positive financial status. But as far as the playing field, they haven't been around long enough just yet to claim they are something to watch on the football map. Again: yet.

4. Houston, Texas is the ONLY CITY IN THE WORLD TO HAVE TWO RETRACTABLE ROOF STADIUMS. We were the FIRST to have a dome. We have one of the most luxurious basketball arenas in the world with Toyota Center. And we currently have the largest convention space in America in Reliant Park. But when it comes to the sports world talking about the best facilities in the sports world, I NEVER hear our stadiums getting their architectural dues. Football: Cowboys Stadium, Lambeau Field, that stadium almost built for the Jets. Baseball: Wigley Field (sux), Fenway Park (bigass green wall), Yankee Stadium (memorial in the back), PacBell Park (San Fran Bay), Turner Field (hosted the opening games in the Olympics.) Basketball: Madison Square Garden (rundown), Staple Center (OJ drove past there in the police chase I think), American Airlines Arena (Mark Cuban), The Palace (um, yeah). All our facilities are underrated. http://football.ballparks.com/ Where's Houston's names in ANY of the top stadiums in America, much less the world? And we have'em, too.

Having a team doesn't put you on the sporting map. Having THE team does, and so far, our historical sporting significance is not recognized. Is Orlando, Milwakee, Kansas City, San Diego, or the L.A. Clippers on the map simply because they have teams?

Our teams exist, but they deserve respect as well. And once they do get that respect, we'll be on the sporting map.

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Nah man, I got slapped by Rick James a few years back...

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Seriously, when the teams deserve respect, they will get it. Until this year, neither the Astros or Rangers made the World Series in over 40 YEARS. Until last year, neither team won a series of any kind.

Texans are 4 years old and going backward. The only place where Texas pro teams get respect is the NBA, where last year, all 3 were given legitimate shots of going to the Finals, and SA won their 3rd trophy. And, as stated many times before, the media is concentrated on the coasts (not Third Coast), so the bias will always go that direction.

In certain circles, the Astros get respect for having a tough team for the last 10 years. The Rockets are regaining some respect that was lost after the early 90s. The Spurs and Cowboys are always near the top, if you consider all of Texas. But, it will take repeated success over a period of years to get the respect you are talking of.

Overall, Houston is known for being a sports town, and the new stadiums helped that image. MLS and NHL would be nice as another option, but are nowhere near the Big 3 in pro sports.

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Seriously, when the teams deserve respect, they will get it. Until this year, neither the Astros or Rangers made the World Series in over 40 YEARS. Until last year, neither team won a series of any kind.

Texans are 4 years old and going backward. The only place where Texas pro teams get respect is the NBA, where last year, all 3 were given legitimate shots of going to the Finals, and SA won their 3rd trophy. And, as stated many times before, the media is concentrated on the coasts (not Third Coast), so the bias will always go that direction.

In certain circles, the Astros get respect for having a tough team for the last 10 years. The Rockets are regaining some respect that was lost after the early 90s. The Spurs and Cowboys are always near the top, if you consider all of Texas. But, it will take repeated success over a period of years to get the respect you are talking of.

Overall, Houston is known for being a sports town, and the new stadiums helped that image. MLS and NHL would be nice as another option, but are nowhere near the Big 3 in pro sports.

CHARLIE MURPHYYYYY!!!

I'm just fustrated. WE know Houston as a big sports town, but does the world of SPORTS see us as a big sports town yet? There's a difference between us knowing what we have with our teams, and Westside Tennis, and our facilities, but it's another thing when we get constantly overlooked for big sporting events that we Houstonians feel we had the sporting history and facilities for (Super Bowls, Olympics, big college Bowl games, conferences.)

But I do look forward to our city being one of the few sports towns to be home to the six biggest sporting leagues in America. Major step.

RedScare, what do you make of the NFL Europe story?

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RedScare, what do you make of the NFL Europe story?

I think it would be pretty cool to get it, though I don't see it as so big that we MUST have it. Mostly, I see it as my law school buddy, Oliver Luck, using some of his NFL Europe connections for Houston's benefit.

Back to your other post, most observers say that Reliant Stadium is one of, if not the best football stadium in the world. Packaged with Minute Maid and Toyota, Houston has the best stadium combination in the country. As for Super Bowls, Olympics and other events, it is the politics of sport that influences that. Remember, the ONLY reason Houston has not gotten another Super Bowl is Bob McNair's activities regarding money distribution within the NFL. None of that has to do with Houston or its facilities.

Also, remember, Houston is getting some NCAA regionals and the Final Four in a few years. The bowl game is working to move up the ladder, so that if and when a college football playoff is started, Houston will be in the rotation. That pretty much adds up to money, so we'll see what happens there.

My one regret is that the Track & Field Astrodome plan never materialized. We would have owned T&F championships if that would have occurred. Oh, well.....

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I think it would be pretty cool to get it, though I don't see it as so big that we MUST have it. Mostly, I see it as my law school buddy, Oliver Luck, using some of his NFL Europe connections for Houston's benefit.

Back to your other post, most observers say that Reliant Stadium is one of, if not the best football stadium in the world. Packaged with Minute Maid and Toyota, Houston has the best stadium combination in the country. As for Super Bowls, Olympics and other events, it is the politics of sport that influences that. Remember, the ONLY reason Houston has not gotten another Super Bowl is Bob McNair's activities regarding money distribution within the NFL. None of that has to do with Houston or its facilities.

Also, remember, Houston is getting some NCAA regionals and the Final Four in a few years. The bowl game is working to move up the ladder, so that if and when a college football playoff is started, Houston will be in the rotation. That pretty much adds up to money, so we'll see what happens there.

My one regret is that the Track & Field Astrodome plan never materialized. We would have owned T&F championships if that would have occurred. Oh, well.....

Astrodome will make a good convention Hotel like they've now proposed (soon I hope). But Rice Stadium hosted a Super Bowl once. It held around 70,000-75,000 when it hosted that game. It's getting older, and could use a revitalization. Rice University is THE IVY league school of Texas. Couldn't that stadium be redone for football AND as a top notch track n field stadium for World championship events?

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Rice University is THE IVY league school of Texas. Couldn't that stadium be redone for football AND as a top notch track n field stadium for World championship events?

the board of trustees and university officers would have to be convinced to put the $$ there...

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I'm just fustrated. WE know Houston as a big sports town, but does the world of SPORTS see us as a big sports town yet?

Yes, they do.

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World Champions, baby! :lol:

Or, for the purist.

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on sportscenter last night, when they were talking about Lemieux retiring, and selling the Penguins, they mentioned they thought the team would most likely be moving since he was keeping them afloat. then they said Sydney Crosby would need to start looking for a new house, and he would probably get to live on the ocean, either in "Portland or on the Gulf of Mexico in Houston".

means nothing, but cool to hear them say NHL and Houston in the same sentence on ESPN.

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on sportscenter last night, when they were talking about Lemieux retiring, and selling the Penguins, they mentioned they thought the team would most likely be moving since he was keeping them afloat. then they said Sydney Crosby would need to start looking for a new house, and he would probably get to live on the ocean, either in "Portland or on the Gulf of Mexico in Houston".

means nothing, but cool to hear them say NHL and Houston in the same sentence on ESPN.

It's difficult for me to see the Penguins leave Pittsburg.

I do think Les Alexander will be successful bringing an existing franchise to Houston. I'd go for Nashville personally B)

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it all depends on who buys the team. Lemieux is selling, and if they don't get a new arena in Pitt they could be leaving. Isle of Capri is trying to get a gambling license, and are looking at building a casino/arena in the city, but they won't know if they get the license until the end of the year. they're competing with several other casinos, all which have no interest in building a new arena.

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Remember all those public airwaves fights between Les Alexander and Chuck Watson/Bob McNair back in the late 90's? We probably could have gotten an NHL expansion franchise had those two groups gotten together and settled all the bickering. One thing is for sure, you don't see Chuck strutting his stuff around anymore since Dynegy's stock collapsed and he was fired.

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Remember all those public airwaves fights between Les Alexander and Chuck Watson/Bob McNair back in the late 90's? We probably could have gotten an NHL expansion franchise had those two groups gotten together and settled all the bickering. One thing is for sure, you don't see Chuck strutting his stuff around anymore since Dynegy's stock collapsed and he was fired.

:lol::lol:

I totally agree that if they worked on the same side, we probably would have already had an NHL team. Fustrating, isn't it?!

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it all depends on who buys the team. Lemieux is selling, and if they don't get a new arena in Pitt they could be leaving. Isle of Capri is trying to get a gambling license, and are looking at building a casino/arena in the city, but they won't know if they get the license until the end of the year. they're competing with several other casinos, all which have no interest in building a new arena.

A casino/Arena?! I want to see the designs on that one B)

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2613591

Rumor from the inside has it that the Pittsburgh Penguins may be bought this week by a Canadian businessman (I know, an oxymoron, yes). The plan is that they will stay in Pittsburgh...that is...unless the city of Pittsburgh is willing to build a new stadium for the team. There COULD be a relocation bid if that were the case, but I predict that the businessman would want to move the team a Canadian city like Quebec, or another city that got screwed out of a team north of the border before moving to Houston.

For Houston, this all mainly means that the Buffalo Sabres, Nashville Predators, Carolina Hurricanes, and Washington Capitals would more likely be teams Les Alexander would consider buying and moving to the Space City. Remember, he's reportedly watching the NHL market to decide if NHL is profitable in Houston, and if he should buy a team or push for an expansion team.

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What name should Houston's NHL team be?I was glad when they decided to go with Texans for NFL.Luckily the Dallas Stars only had to drop "North" from the old team,and it fit well.

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I'd love it. My husband & I have Aeros season tickets and the Time-Warner Center Ice package, plus he plays at Memorial City twice a week and we still don't have enough hockey!

If Carolina moves here, we don't have to change the name. It would be nice if we had an interesting regional critter like New Jersey, but the Giant Flying Roaches is too long. A bit south, but maybe the Chupacabras? :D

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What name should Houston's NHL team be?I was glad when they decided to go with Texans for NFL.Luckily the Dallas Stars only had to drop "North" from the old team,and it fit well.

How about Houston 1836? It already won the popular vote! B)

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When we obtain this NHL team, will we rename it or keep the existing name? Didn't Dallas "revamp" their name from the North Stars to the Stars? Names do not matter. People love sports teams, not particularly their names. And we are due for the NHL. Come on; we have every other major league sport, let's get with the program and get our NHL team (even though I hate hockey). I have tried to like hockey, but it just isn't my bag. Lots of people do, so therefore, bring it on. :blink:

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I say we keep the Aeros name, in tribute to the old WHA team (that ALMOST joined the NHL back then). The minor league Aeros are free to go elsewhere and change their names.

Also, we could broker some kind of deal with the current city of whatever team we get, where they keep team name, colors, and history. That would free us up to enter the league as the 're-launch' of the WHA Aeros after nearly 30 years.

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What's exactly to make of Alexander wanting to sell the Comets in terms of if he's still actively pursuing an NHL team? Is he doing it to 100% focus on the Rockets, or is he still NHL hunting?

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Well it looks like the Pittsburgh Penguins are now looking outside of Pennsylvania for a new arena. According to Mario Lemiuex, since the sale of the team recently fell through and a proposed arena in Pittsburgh fell through, he and his ownership team will begin looking elsewhere while they continue negotiations with Pittsburgh.

What are the chances the he receives a call from Les Alexander offering up the beautiful Toyota Center as the new home arena for the Penguins? Houston was mentioned with KC, Portland, and Hartford as potential interested cities. I'm not a hockey fan, but I say bring them on!

Penguins no longer for sale, will consider new home

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Well it looks like the Pittsburgh Penguins are now looking outside of Pennsylvania for a new arena. According to Mario Lemiuex, since the sale of the team recently fell through and a proposed arena in Pittsburgh fell through, he and his ownership team will begin looking elsewhere while they continue negotiations with Pittsburgh.

What are the chances the he receives a call from Les Alexander offering up the beautiful Toyota Center as the new home arena for the Penguins? Houston was mentioned with KC, Portland, and Hartford as potential interested cities. I'm not a hockey fan, but I say bring them on!

Penguins no longer for sale, will consider new home

Houston's by far the largest city and biggest market vying for an NHL team. The biggest negative is the fact that Houston has 5 professional teams representing it, which means that the NHL would always have local tv and ticket competition year-around, wheras in Pittsburgh, NHL is the only professional team playing there in January-April whenever the Steelers aren't in the playoffs, and even during NFL season, the Steelers play only once a week.

Hartford has no professional teams

Winnipeg also has no professional teams

Portland has one professional team (NBA)

Kansas City has three professional teams (MLB, MLS, MFL)

Houston has five professional teams (NBA, WNBA, MLB, MLS, NFL)

Another thing to think of is the arena...

Hartford, Winnipeg, Pittsburgh, and Kansas City would probably have a new stadium bid.

Portland would either have a new stadium bid strickly for the Penguins, or have them in the same arena as the Trailblazers.

Houston: Toyota Center (built NHL ready) would be the home.

As easy as it sounds for Toyota Center to be the new home, it also has a complication or two knowing that the minor league Aeros play there, and would have to either move to another city, fold completely, still play at Toyota, or go to a smaller arena in the Houston area TBA. Contracts will have to be modified. Also, Alexander has the exclusives on Toyota Center. What kind of deal would he give for them to have Toyota to use when NHL has the same on and off-season as the NBA, while knowing that Alexander wouldn't own the NHL team?

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i worked on the design team for the toyota arena and it is 100% NHL complaint and there is even an are sectioned reserved for a future NHL team (not in use by the aeros) which has not been built out yet on the same level as the rockets locker rooms.

as much i would love to see houston grab an NHl team, the pens have a legacy in pittsburgh and would like to see super mario work something with that city.

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Don't get your hopes up.

The Penguins are officially "off the market" and not for sale, but they are open to finding a new home. Les Alexander has made it abundantly clear that his only interest in the NHL is as an owner. Not a landlord.

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As easy as it sounds for Toyota Center to be the new home, it also has a complication or two knowing that the minor league Aeros play there, and would have to either move to another city, fold completely, still play at Toyota, or go to a smaller arena in the Houston area TBA.

If Houston gets an NHL team, I vote for sharing the ice. Cincinnati used to have both an AHL and an IHL team that played in different venues and I think they both suffered for it.

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I would like Houston to add another professional sports franchise here. We easily look the most attractive out of the other cities (largest metro, and great stadium).

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Hockey would be marginally more interesting than soccer, I guess.

Please wake me up in April.

I love Hockey and the Astrodome would be the perfect venue. forget theme parks/hotels wheres Stu Hart when i need him. :closedeyes:

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