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As far as I know, nothing in Dallas or Austin has surpassed anything in Houston.

What is the highest residential floor in Houston? Please share if you do know. I am guessing it is around 30-40 floors...

I think the current highest in Dallas is in the upper 20's (the soon to be completed W will be in the low 30's). And I don't think there is much in Austin above mid 20-s at all (i.e. condos above Hilton at Convention Center).

Dallas currently has several residential towers under construction, but none as tall as Houston's tallest.

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The Huntington is the tallest by actual height but it is only 34 floors.

The tallest in Houston by floor count would be the Four Season Towers (Pelli twins in Uptown/Galleria). They each have 40 floors. The penthouses in both buildings are really unique in that they are two stories tall and have walkout loggias.

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As far as I know, nothing in Dallas or Austin has surpassed anything in Houston.

What is the highest residential floor in Houston? Please share if you do know. I am guessing it is around 30-40 floors...

I think the current highest in Dallas is in the upper 20's (the soon to be completed W will be in the low 30's). And I don't think there is much in Austin above mid 20-s at all (i.e. condos above Hilton at Convention Center).

Dallas currently has several residential towers under construction, but none as tall as Houston's tallest.

That skyscraper in Downtown Dallas surpassed the Huntington in height... Only because it was once a Commercial Building, and its only the giant spire/pole that makes it taller.

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That skyscraper in Downtown Dallas surpassed the Huntington in height... Only because it was once a Commercial Building, and its only the giant spire/pole that makes it taller.

I think you are probably referring to the Republic Bank Tower conversion.

According to the World Almanac that building is 36 floors and 602 ft with the spire, meanwhile the Huntington is 503 ft (no spire) and 34 floors. I don't know how tall that spire is, but I imagine that these buildings are pretty similar.

The real difference is that the Republic Bank building is in the center of the Dallas CBD while the Huntington stands generally alone on the west side, increasing its profile.

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the one in downtown dallas is the talles.

Only if you are willing to count the spire. . . (and I'm not). Besides which, "the one in downtown Dallas" is probably still nearly a year away from having any residents.

Oh, and one more thing: "the one in downtown Dallas" will not even be a condo tower. It will be rental apartments.

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I think you are probably referring to the Republic Bank Tower conversion.

According to the World Almanac that building is 36 floors and 602 ft with the spire, meanwhile the Huntington is 503 ft (no spire) and 34 floors. I don't know how tall that spire is, but I imagine that these buildings are pretty similar.

The RepublicBank Building is a mere 452 feet without the spire.

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But it is taller with the spire. And the Spire is considered part of the building. (As an ornament, not as a radio or telecommunications). So techinically speaking, it is the tallest Residential Building in Texas.

Where is it written that a spire is considered part of the building. Were some of the verses of my book of Genesis left out? "And on the eighth day God decreed that spires shall be considered part of buildings when calculating heights, but only if they are ornaments, not if they are radio or telecommunications." But what if they are ornamental radio or telecommunications? Or telecommunicating ornaments? ;-)

In fact, On July 10, 1997, the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat met in Chicago to announce new standards with four categories for measuring tall buildings. These categories are:

1. Height to the structural or architectural top.

2. Height to the highest occupied floor.

3. Height to the top of the roof.

4. Height to the top of antenna.

Three thoughts:

(1)This topic was about the tallest Condo tower, not tallest residential tower. The building in Dallas will be rental, so does not even fit in the category being asked about.

(2) The building in Dallas is under construction and has no one living in it, so as of today, the Huntingdon is still the tallest residential building in Texas, no matter how loose of a definition you want to use in measuring heights of buildings.

(3) In my opinion, when judging what is the tallest condo building or the tallest residential building, the salient question is, which building has residences the farthest from the ground (highest occupied floor). Even after people start moving in to the building in Dalls, the Huntingdon (and probably several other buildings in Houston) will have several floors of residences that are higher in the sky than any residences in downtown Dallas, or elsewhere in the state.

A little more on the spire issue. When I look at a building to judge its height (and I think most people would do the same) I look at where the top of the main structure is, not to the top of any little ornamental spire sticking up like a flag pole. For this reason I think one has to include the ornamental structure on top of the Bank of America building in Atlanta, but it seems ridiculous to include the little flag-pole-like ornament on top of that building in Dallas. I question whether this particular ornament would even qualify as the "structural or architecural top" of the building; I would say not. I can imagine that if you showed a picture of the two buildings in that Dallas complex to any number of people and asked them which building is the taller. . . after they looked at you like you were out of your mind for even asking the question, and then pondered whether it was a trick question, about 99% would tell you that the 50 story building next door is taller than the 34 story building being converted to residential.

I think this one may be the new tallest condo tower in Texas. I am not for sure. Its in Fort Worth.

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This building in Fort Worth (now called The Tower) is 488 feet tall. So, no, it is not the tallest condo tower or the tallest residential tower in Texas, no matter how you measure.

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Where is it written that a spire is considered part of the building.

Ignoring the building in Dallas I think it is written many places. It is a very common standard used. In fact just look at Emporis and how they (and most other groups) rate the Petronas Towers taller than the Sears Tower. It looks very silly to me when you look at a graphic like this though:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001338.html

The spires on top of the Petronas Towers are even more wimpy than that of the Republic Center, and they earned it "worlds tallest" by most accounts.

Like I said I agree with you, but I do recognize that others have another view. As you said it doesn't matter for the Republic Center because its not a condo tower anyway.

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The Republic Center's spire is not wimpy and wasn't built to make it taller than anything. I don't think anyone in Dallas knows or cares if its the tallest residential in Texas.

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This will all be moot once The Mandarin Victory(45 stories and 600ft) and Hall's tower in the Arts District is completed. The Hall tower(50 stories and undisclosed height, but from the model, will be in the 800ft range) was assumed by all to be a no go or simply pie in the sky. Then Hall came out with a statement about wanting to start when material prices lowered a bit. Now we now see that Hunt Construction has been awarded the construction contract to build it starting this coming fall.

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I'm in the "spires don't count" camp. I want to see how tall the actual structure is, anybody can put a spire on. I always loved the World Trade Centers when visiting New York, they we're so massive.

Speaking of spires, how tall would One Shell Plaza be if the needle on top was counted?

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I can't remember the official measurement of Shell with the antennae, but I can remember ballpark. The World Book Almanac has it at over 900 feet with the antennae. I agree more with Rantanamo; if the "spire" looks as if its a functional part of the building's structure, it should count. If it looks as if it was an "add on", then it shouldn't.

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Speaking of spires, how tall would One Shell Plaza be if the needle on top was counted?

According to Skyscraperpage.com, 1,000 feet. But take that with a grain of salt. I'll see if I can find a more authoritative source.

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According to Skyscraperpage.com, 1,000 feet. But take that with a grain of salt. I'll see if I can find a more authoritative source.

I checked with the new federal Antenna Structure Registry, and it's not there I think it might not need to be registered anymore since it's overshadowed by other nearby skyscrapers. But I'll keep checking other things.

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I checked with the new federal Antenna Structure Registry, and it's not there I think it might not need to be registered anymore since it's overshadowed by other nearby skyscrapers. But I'll keep checking other things.

So... the tower, itself, has no registration number. But the antenna is carrying KFB875. The scanner nuts among you will recognize that call sign as one of the Harris County communications frequencies.

According to the FCC, the antenna tip is 235 meters. That means 771 feet. Skyscraperpage has the roof of One Shell Plaza at 714 feet, so I guess that makes sense. So is the 1,000 foot number an urban legend?

Here's the relevant page for those who want to look at it themselves.

Another point -- antennae cannot be more than 20 feet taller than the tallest element of obstruction lighting. I'm not near any detailed pictures of the building right now to see if this matters.

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So... the tower, itself, has no registration number. But the antenna is carrying KFB875. The scanner nuts among you will recognize that call sign as one of the Harris County communications frequencies.

According to the FCC, the antenna tip is 235 meters. That means 771 feet. Skyscraperpage has the roof of One Shell Plaza at 714 feet, so I guess that makes sense. So is the 1,000 foot number an urban legend?

Here's the relevant page for those who want to look at it themselves.

Another point -- antennae cannot be more than 20 feet taller than the tallest element of obstruction lighting. I'm not near any detailed pictures of the building right now to see if this matters.

It can't be an Urban Legened. Its so obviously slightly taller/exactly the same/lesser height then the Wells Fargo Plaza. Maybe you got the wrong "transmitter"? :wacko:

Ok, at certain images it looks slightly less taller/same height/slightly taller then the WFP.

I saw on a site once that the tip of the very top of the antenna was reaching a total of 304.8m. Emporis reads 1 Shell Plaza to have a base to roof height of 218m. Meaning, the antenna from the roof to its tip is 86.4m tall. (The JP Morgan Chase Tower being 305.4m, and the Wells Fargo Plaza being 296.0m)

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Speaking of Urban Lengends, editor, when will you change the one about the JP Morgan Chase Tower? ;)

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The antenna at One Shell Plaza reaches to around 1,000 feet. There are several photos on emporis.com that show the antenna to reach almost the exact same height as Wells Fargo.

The one building that has always confused me is the St Luke's Medical Tower. It's official height is listed at 316 feet. Apparently, the needle spires aren't counted in the height, but even without them, 316 feet seems way too short. Especially when you consider that the nearby Marriott Hotel is listed at 265 feet. There's NO WAY St Luke's is only 51 feet taller than the Marriott even without the spires!

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I don't think the one in Fortworth is the tallest... but I can't get emporis to work, to check.

The building Ft. Worth is an interesting story. 5 or so years ago a tornado hit downtown Ft. Worth hard and that building was taken out. It was preiously an office building but is now a condo complex. I do a lot of business in Ft. Worth and the locals are very proud of this building. I admit that I like it too. As for being the tallest, I will defer to what has been previously written on here.

I do think it is rediculous to count a spire to the height. It seems to me that almost any building could add a spire to get the record. Granted, this is not the best way to spend your money, but some buildings want that recognition.

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The building Ft. Worth is an interesting story. 5 or so years ago a tornado hit downtown Ft. Worth hard and that building was taken out. It was preiously an office building but is now a condo complex. I do a lot of business in Ft. Worth and the locals are very proud of this building. I admit that I like it too. As for being the tallest, I will defer to what has been previously written on here.

Except that Jack, Kyle, and Kirk are having a bear of a time filling the ground level retail space...

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"This will all be moot once The Mandarin Victory(45 stories and 600ft) and Hall's tower in the Arts District is completed. The Hall tower(50 stories and undisclosed height, but from the model, will be in the 800ft range) was assumed by all to be a no go or simply pie in the sky. Then Hall came out with a statement about wanting to start when material prices lowered a bit. Now we now see that Hunt Construction has been awarded the construction contract to build it starting this coming fall."

Hold up... I thought the building that would contain the Dallas Mandarin would have a large office component, also. In fact, and please correct me if I am wrong (because that is entirely possible), I think the Mandarin Hotel and Residences will be on the lower floors and the office component will be on the higher floors. If so, I would qualify this building as the tallest mixed-use project (office, hotel, condo, retail) in Texas... but not the tallest residential tower. Does that make sense? :huh:

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"This will all be moot once The Mandarin Victory(45 stories and 600ft) and Hall's tower in the Arts District is completed. The Hall tower(50 stories and undisclosed height, but from the model, will be in the 800ft range) was assumed by all to be a no go or simply pie in the sky. Then Hall came out with a statement about wanting to start when material prices lowered a bit. Now we now see that Hunt Construction has been awarded the construction contract to build it starting this coming fall."

Hold up... I thought the building that would contain the Dallas Mandarin would have a large office component, also. In fact, and please correct me if I am wrong (because that is entirely possible), I think the Mandarin Hotel and Residences will be on the lower floors and the office component will be on the higher floors. If so, I would qualify this building as the tallest mixed-use project (office, hotel, condo, retail) in Texas... but not the tallest residential tower. Does that make sense? :huh:

You are partially correct. It is a mixed use building, but the office and hotel component will be the lower levels, and the condos will finish off the top floors. So it is not the tallest condo building in Texas, but will have the highest residential spaces, (so far), once it is completed.

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The "W" Hotel (is that the Mandarin one?) will be 652 ft. tall. That will be the tallest "residential" tower of sorts in Texas. HOWEVER, it is a hotel and apartment complex. Not that one would be against that kind of complex. No other Texas city has twin towers, i.e., 30-story Mosaic (going up right now) towers, Four Leaf Towers (40-stories each), and many, many other high rises that Texas' largest city can boast (but I might be mis-informed, let me know). Anyhow, good luck to all. We need more ... even if they have to be in Dallas. :P

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Just to scare all us folks in both Houston and Dallas....I was in Charlotte, North Carolina last month for a family wedding. There are 3 residential buildings under construction Downtown over 50 storeys tall. I got the "driving tour" from my cousin and saw all 3 sites. All 3 will have some sort of ground level retail.

We better get moving in Texas!

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Looking at SSP last night I found a condo tower going up in Panama City, (of all places), that will be 104 stories tall and they claim it will be the tallest residential buuilding in the world when complete. It is already U/C.

You betcha! Panama City is the new place to retire. You can get a place with maid service and the whole nine yards for about 1200 bucks a month. TV is a great thing.

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If you're counting only roof height then yes, The Huntington in Houston is the tallest residential building there, as well as statewide currently. However, Emporis and other sources include spire heights. This is an old worn out debate, but officially spires are counted since they're architectural elements. Going by that, the Mercantile Building in Dallas is being converted to residential. That building is 545 feet to the spire and 430 feet to the roof. I think the RepublicBank tower conversion has been put on hold, I may be wrong about that, but I haven't heard anything about its progress in a while, and this is a fairly old proposal, several years anyway. The Huntington is 503 feet tall with 34 floors. The next new tallest residential building in Texas will be in Austin actually. 360 Condominiums which is under construction (work starting on the 41st floor right now), will be 563 feet to the spire and 472 feet to the roof. It will have 44 floors. With that building, Austin will officially pass San Antonio in four height categories. Tallest spire height, tallest roof height, highest floor number and tallest residential building. Their tallest, the Marriott Rivercenter Hotel is 546 feet to the spires, 441 feet to the roof, and has 38 floors. Fort Worth's tallest, Burnett Plaza, is 567 feet with 40 floors, so they'll still have a taller building than Austin for about 2 more years. Work started a month ago on The Austonian in Austin. This building will be 683 feet tall to the roof (no spire) and will have 56 floors, and will be all residential. This will be not only the new tallest building in Austin, but will be the tallest in the state outside of Houston and Dallas, and will also be the tallest residential building in the Southwest. Denver and LA have a few proposals, but there doesn't seem to be anything taller planned for the Southwest.

Currently, Austin has 10 buildings under construction or proposed that will have 35 floors or more. 6 of those are above 40 floors, one has 56 floors. Among those, is a 580 foot hotel/condo tower with 44 floors, and a 550 foot hotel/condo tower with 40 floors.

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Im a former Houstonian living in Nashville. I wanted to share with you the Signature Tower, that has broken ground here in Nashville. It is a 70 story hotel/condo/retail building.

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=signat...ashville-tn-usa

Very nice building... but has it actually broken ground?? Last I heard it was approved but has yet to break ground.

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