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On 10/14/2021 at 10:03 AM, Montrose1100 said:

I'm still holding on to my pettiness. The stone is nice stone. Just would have preferred something better visually facing Market Square. 

Architects need to bring back shell limestone into some of these buildings. Such a great stone for the region and has a timeless quality to it.

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1 hour ago, tangledwoods said:

yall are being fooled, that is precast concrete, not stone.  I will say, it is nice precast concrete.

In all likelihood it is, those are massive pieces, and I'm pretty sure it would be near impossible to get cut stone in those dimensions.

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On 10/14/2021 at 11:03 AM, Montrose1100 said:

I'm still holding on to my pettiness. The stone is nice stone. Just would have preferred something better visually facing Market Square. 

Agree... there's something about the stone with this building (all of it) that bothers me... it just doesn't seem to go with the rest of the building.  Maybe once it's done and all lit up with people living in it I'll feel different.  Still a very beautiful building and such a great addition to this part of Downtown.  😁

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On 10/16/2021 at 11:34 AM, pm91 said:

Taken just now 😍

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What a great skyline shot pm91. I think this image makes a great case for the best skyline view of downtown.

 The view coming in on 45 north at sunset is pretty remarkable, however what I really like about this angle is the amount of depth you see from this side. Not only do you catch glimpses of almost every modern building built, but you're also looking at all of the classic's like the Gulf,  the Espersen, Bank of the Southwest, Southwest Life, State National Bank and many of the Main street turn of the century work. I like the symmetry of slopes in the wider angle image. I sure wouldn't mind something in the 90's behind the Esperson bldg. The massing of the two major groups are much more interesting to me, than the flatness of the view from Allen parkway, and as a bonus, you get Minute Maid park, home of the A.L. champs 2021.

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This building is ugly. The fine details are nice - I'll give it that. The glass curtain and curve are the only saving grace. Podium is oppressive. The west side is awkward. In fact the whole structure is. It's like unbalanced in the worst way. It's even worse when looking from afar. Squatty blank window cleaning crane utilitarian tower. 

Market Square Tower is boring but at least it blends in. 

I know you all love it but I'm super disappointed in this Hines project. It's exactly what Randall Davis' projects should look like. 

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45 minutes ago, Montrose1100 said:

It's exactly what Randall Davis' projects should look like. 

What? What does that even mean?

 

I also completely disagree with you overall - Market Square Tower benefits from not having a parking podium, but I find it genuinely oppressive because of its lack of engagement with the sidewalk and that dumb driveway.

I hate parking podiums, but I kind of love this one. It's vaguely deco, massive but with interesting detailing, and generally one of the best examples of a parking podium I've ever seen. And I love the way the balconies are handled on the tower itself.

 

Is the building perfect? Absolutely not. But I'm generally happy with how it's turned out.

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1 hour ago, Montrose1100 said:

This building is ugly. The fine details are nice - I'll give it that. The glass curtain and curve are the only saving grace. Podium is oppressive. The west side is awkward. In fact the whole structure is. It's like unbalanced in the worst way. It's even worse when looking from afar. Squatty blank window cleaning crane utilitarian tower. 

Market Square Tower is boring but at least it blends in. 

I know you all love it but I'm super disappointed in this Hines project. It's exactly what Randall Davis' projects should look like. 

I agree. I see it from the west and hate it. Looks fine from the east though

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50 minutes ago, Texasota said:

What? What does that even mean?

It's kind of cheesy. Gaudy maybe? Lots of design and ideas for the sake of having them to sell it as luxury. Replace the concrete with Stucco and remove half the stuff on the garage and It's a RD condo tower. The Lobby is how tall and looks smooshed under the weight of this fortress with air fins. 

Always thought of Downtown as being this classy institution and free from gimmicky Galleria area style buildings. The Aris is a fine building and compliments the area so well. Then you have this bright concrete busy box.

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On 2/14/2022 at 11:11 AM, Montrose1100 said:

This building is ugly. The fine details are nice - I'll give it that. The glass curtain and curve are the only saving grace. Podium is oppressive. The west side is awkward. In fact the whole structure is. It's like unbalanced in the worst way. It's even worse when looking from afar. Squatty blank window cleaning crane utilitarian tower. 

Market Square Tower is boring but at least it blends in. 

I know you all love it but I'm super disappointed in this Hines project. It's exactly what Randall Davis' projects should look like. 

I understand what you are saying. My only question is what were you imagining this building to be or what would have been placed on this site? I went into this whole process have zero expectations, and instead of being disappointed I came out pleasantly surprised. Thats just me though.

From my point of view, I really like it. Its not a perfect building by any means, but from an architect-in-training's perspective I can admire the form and aesthetics given its constraints. With what they had to work with, this is actually a good way to handle it. Houston is also a weird city where we constantly are looking at buildings from 4 sides. This building is a good introduction to the 2 side or even 1 side view experience that you get in most densely packed cities. I mean for those who have been championing for "density", not saying that's you Montrose, but this is a result of higher density. You get backsides that are awkward, elevations that potential get a tad wonky, and form that has to make compromises.

I actually like the stone podium, but then again I'm into brutalism, and I'm very anti-curtain wall ground to top and everywhere. For me this is welcomed change of pace. I do agree that up close this podium probably feels intimidating. I'll have a look for myself in April. This is why I'm someone who wants to push architecture to more detail and ornamentation. I think that could have helped here. I also like the small detail with the stone where it separates a little bit to allow the metal canopy connection. That's a nice subtle detail I'm not sure others have noticed. Normally they would have just stuck the connection and bolts right onto the stone. 

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@cityliving I'm not sure what you are doing differently now, but your photos are finally showing up with proper color on my computer now and look great!  Thanks for all the time you are putting into the aerial photography.  What did you change?  Was it a color space conversion issue?

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I am happy to contribute to to HAIF Houston with my posts and photography but, all my photographs are copyrighted-please do not copy my pics or share without my permission, otherwise I will have to stop posting my pics on here. 

Thanks 😊 

 

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On 2/14/2022 at 2:09 PM, Montrose1100 said:

It's kind of cheesy. Gaudy maybe? Lots of design and ideas for the sake of having them to sell it as luxury. Replace the concrete with Stucco and remove half the stuff on the garage and It's a RD condo tower. The Lobby is how tall and looks smooshed under the weight of this fortress with air fins. 

Always thought of Downtown as being this classy institution and free from gimmicky Galleria area style buildings. The Aris is a fine building and compliments the area so well. Then you have this bright concrete busy box.

That's an insightful perspective.  Thanks.

I think Hines saw fit to use the styrofoam form left over from the inside of the box this older 2009 tower had shipped in.  I blame that for any awkward dimensions and angles.

http://phillyskyline.com/bldgs/residencesattheritz/ritzrender1.jpg

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On 3/25/2022 at 8:37 AM, BigFootsSocks said:

Whomever* is on the floors directly across from MST's pool are going to have a fun view and vice versa. You can practically see straight into the rooms at Brava

 

 

*or whoever I can't remember

 

I've lived a number of places (including my current place) where I can see into people offices, hotel rooms, and apartments.

People are a lot less interesting than we imagine.  And if you're over 18, there's probably nothing you haven't seen already.

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On 3/25/2022 at 9:37 AM, BigFootsSocks said:

Whomever* is on the floors directly across from MST's pool are going to have a fun view and vice versa. You can practically see straight into the rooms at Brava

 

 

*or whoever I can't remember

Can't be nearly as much fun as the view the DFW air traffic controllers had into the hotels. One day the guys were scanning over with their binoculars and a guy was on the deck in his swimshorts...until the woman he was there with hastily pulled him back indoors...

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