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2 hours ago, 102IAHexpress said:

 

Whatever hope of new rail infrastructure being built with federal tax dollars, just took a huge hit because of California's boondoggle of a high speed train fiasco. If anything, the feds may want to get money back on wasted train investments! I can see the feds spending money on rebuilding/repairing -existing- rail infrastructure though.

A light rail/commuter rail project is WAAAAAY different from the $77 billion fiasco that was the California high speed rail

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it may also free up federal money that was tied up in that project to be spread around to other mass transit projects that have been under funded thanks to certain lawmakers.

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3 hours ago, august948 said:

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/trump-demands-calif-give-back-feds-billions-for-bullet-train-project.html

 

i would think, though, that this would reflect more on bullet train projects between cities rather than commuter projects in cities.  Is the TCR project using any fed funds or is that all private?

It's privately funded

 

https://www.texascentral.com/facts/

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35 minutes ago, Some one said:

It's privately funded

 

https://www.texascentral.com/facts/

 

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Investors and entrepreneurs. Texas Central is an investor-funded company utilizing a market-led approach to financing, led by a group of primarily Texan investors. The Railroad will not seek grants from the US Government or the State of Texas, nor any operational subsidy once operation begins. The project will be financed with a blend of debt and equity.

 

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https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/transportation/article/Richmond-rail-ban-removed-from-federal-spending-13620859.php?utm_campaign=CMS Sharing Tools (Premium)&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_medium=referral

 

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There are no plans to build light rail on Richmond, but for the first time in a long time there is nothing stopping Metro from asking for federal funds to help pay for it.

The federal spending bill signed Friday by President Donald Trump, averting a government shutdown, lacks a provision in previous funding plans barring the Federal Transit Administration from funding any part of light rail on Richmond or Post Oak.

 

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Direct result of Culberson being voted out lol.  Too little, too late though, too bad this didn't happen 10 years earlier. 

 

Richmond is one of the few corridors in Houston that absolutely warrants rail. 

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imagine if they added a rider to a bill that specifically offered Houston money specifically for the purpose of building rail on Richmond. 

 

ah, a boy can dream, I guess.

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18 hours ago, samagon said:

imagine if they added a rider to a bill that specifically offered Houston money specifically for the purpose of building rail on Richmond. 

 

ah, a boy can dream, I guess.

 

I dream bigger: a rider specifically for rail under Richmond

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That astounding two billion dollars going towards the very rural and desolate northeastern section of the Grand Parkway would have better served for the expansion of Metro’s public transportation and rail network within Houston. What a waste! Unfortunately this region still has its priorities very wrong on occasions and it’s being held back because of it. 

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https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/transportation/article/Metro-scaling-back-future-transit-plans-to-one-13727569.php

 

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Metropolitan Transit Authority board members on Thursday agreed to plan on one light rail line to Hobby Airport, as opposed to the two initially proposed as part of the agency’s long-term transportation plan.

 

The first draft of the plan, dubbed Metro Moving Forward, included extensions of both the Purple Line and Green Line to Hobby. The proposal had the Purple coming from southeast Houston near MacGregor Park and the Green coming from near Gus Wortham Golf Course. The projects represented roughly $1.8 billion of the $7.5 billion Metropolitan Transit Authority plans to spend on major projects and improvements over the next 40 years.

 

Both of the light rail extensions enjoy support from local officials and residents along the planned routes to Hobby, but the plan of two routes to the same airport also drew criticism. Each of the routes also had skeptics, who noted the Purple Line would travel a loosely developed industrial area for part of the trip, while the Green Line’s straightest path - along Broadway - would anger some residents and force Metro to rebuild a street that the city spent money sprucing up for the Super Bowl in 2017.

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Good that they are now focusing on doing just one, as long as they extend the other past the municpal court houses and start getting light rail west of downtown. 

 

Now which would be better of the two extensions?

 

The green line would serve more people on it's run, and looks like the more obvious straight line path (since it would basically follow the same road all the way down), however the article brings up a good point that the city just redid Broadway.  Additionally, I wonder how the train would get into the airport without redoing the current access ramp from Broadway.

 

The purple line would go through less developed areas, which would mean less ridership, but it would be a faster trip to the airport, assuming that they can get the right of way and signal timing right to get the speed up to 55 mph.  It's also $91 million cheaper.  However, it doesn't look like as much a natural extension, and if/when the green line gets extended it would naturally go to Hobby, making that section of the purple line more redundant.

 

Long range, I think some sort of cross town transit would make sense, and the jog that the purple line would do could be the first link in that.

 

This quote had me thinking of an alternative extension to the purple line

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“I cannot for the life of me understand why we can’t build more rail,” said board member Lex Frieden, citing people pushing Metro to extend lines to Pearland and Galveston.

 

The purple line could extend down to Pearland, the Green line toward Galveston.  At one point the red line was going to connect to Hobby; the beginning of a southern cross town line could do that, at least initially with BRT.

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I think they're most likely going to change the alignment of the extensions if they go through with just one. I think they should go with what Ramabhadran said and have the two lines meet up earlier to form one line. Hopefully they use the money from that to fund the other lines. (and judging by the comments they got, I think it's possible, they are considering it after all).

Moving Forward

 

(https://ridemetro.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=5&clip_id=1780&meta_id=41291 if you're interested in seeing the presentation)

34 minutes ago, cspwal said:

The purple line could extend down to Pearland, the Green line toward Galveston.  At one point the red line was going to connect to Hobby; the beginning of a southern cross town line could do that, at least initially with BRT.

I think it would be a better idea to extend the red line to Pearland, since it would connect the TMC to Pearland (and Pearland really wants to have transit connection to the TMC). I do agree with you on a potential Green Line though.

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How would you extend rail to Missouri City & Sugarland then? Wasn't there some proposal for a commuter line that would start at Fannin south and go to Missouri City?

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1 hour ago, cspwal said:

How would you extend rail to Missouri City & Sugarland then? Wasn't there some proposal for a commuter line that would start at Fannin south and go to Missouri City?

 

Metro was exploring this back in 2012, but it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere beyond some public meetings

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20120710071248/http://www.ridemetro.org/CurrentProjects/90A-Southwest_RailCorridor.aspx

 

Their timeline from this doc shows construction in 2017 and 2018.  Not sure yet what happened but clearly it was tabled.

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It's still in the MetroNext Moving Forward Plan, but requires commitments from partners (presumably referring to Sugar Land/Fort Bend County):

 

"Potential Red Line Extension - Fannin South Transit Center to Missouri City and Sugar Land (Phase 1 project development only; further project development requires a defined partnership)"

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I played with some possibilities of how to connect the green and purple lines before it made the run to Hobby. Not wonderful.

 

I think I like 3 or 4 the best. 3 is only feasible if TxDOT right of way along 610 is possible to acquire, which I have absolutely no idea if that is feasible. 

 

The Metro board was hesitant to go down Broadway since it was just gussied up for the Super Bowl a few years ago, but there are SO MANY apartments that the density almost demands it instead of sticking to Telephone road. 

 

Option 3 would allow you to make the diverging point at Gulfgate, which I think would generate lots of local (non-airport) traffic.  

 

Option 1:

 

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Option 2:

 

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Option 3:

 

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I think extending the green line and getting it to Telephone is the best answer. 

 

continue on Harrisburg to turn into Broadway.

turn off Broadway on 610 and continue on to Reveille.

Reveille then turns into Telephone and can bring you right to the terminal. or at least to a station that is a transfer to a circulator bus that goes to departures and arrivals.

 

there are a few additional benefits to this...

 

one benefit of going out to Broadway is that you then cross 225, or at least the unused ROW for 225. that could be put to use, now or later, as a drop off for park and ride patrons to then get on rail for the last leg into town. considering the proximity of that ROW to hwy 3, perhaps at some point the destination of a commuter rail from Clearlake/Friendswood/Galveston area that feeds into the light rail.

 

another benefit is going by Gulfgate. it's a big area that is a collection of shops, and there's no reason to assume it won't continue to be this, and maybe even grow to have more as the area grows in desirability. imagine a city center like area here...

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The biggest obstacle for extending the purple line along Griggs is going to be the mess where Long Dr, Mykawa, Griggs and 2 freight lines all cross

 

Also the new SH 35 plans for extending it out to 610 look like they wouldn't play nice with any attempts to do more grade separation

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15 hours ago, Texasota said:

Oh, so they're linking it up with the little spur behind UH?

https://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/projects/studies/houston/sh-35-harris-county.html

 

Great, just what campus needs. An active freeway running through it.

To be fair, there's already a freight yard on that side so it's not exactly connected to the UH energy campus on the other side of where spur 5 is now

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28 minutes ago, cspwal said:

To be fair, there's already a freight yard on that side so it's not exactly connected to the UH energy campus on the other side of where spur 5 is now

 

Actually, the Brays Bayou trail forms a connection between the two by going under the railyard. Most students seem to use the shuttle buses between the two but I have seen UH golf carts going back and forth on the trail.

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18 hours ago, samagon said:

one benefit of going out to Broadway is that you then cross 225, or at least the unused ROW for 225. that could be put to use, now or later, as a drop off for park and ride patrons to then get on rail for the last leg into town. considering the proximity of that ROW to hwy 3, perhaps at some point the destination of a commuter rail from Clearlake/Friendswood/Galveston area that feeds into the light rail.

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Hrmm. That is certainly an interesting idea. It's currently listed as John R. Harris Park, but there are zero amenities developed. 

 

Could see that being good for Astros/Dynamo parking as well (with half of the astros giant lot potentially going away if 45N expansion happens). Dynamo already have a promo with Metro where the rail is free with a game ticket. 

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If Metro was smart, they would put a station on the green line expansion at one of the rail corridors going in the direction of Galveston for a commuter rail link.The green line would get massive ridership from airline passengers looking to get from Hobby Airport to Galveston for the cruise ships. Currently all these cruise passengers have to take shuttle buses to Galveston from Hobby.

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5 minutes ago, august948 said:

 

Actually, the Brays Bayou trail forms a connection between the two by going under the railyard. Most students seem to use the shuttle buses between the two but I have seen UH golf carts going back and forth on the trail.

 

Who would use the UH golf carts? They have a bunch of signs saying that the north half of the trail is for golf carts only, but whatever, just happy that the trail is there. It's still not fully connective there which again, is annoying. 

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1 minute ago, cougarpad said:

If Metro was smart, they would put a station near on the green line explanation at one of the rail cooridorss going in the dirrect of Galveston for commuter rail. The green line would get massive ridership from airline passengers looking to get from Hobby Airport to Galveston for the cruise ships. Currently all these cruise passengers have to take shuttle buses to Galveston from Hobby.

 

I just dug this article out, from *groan* 12 years ago, that talks about utilizing rail to Galveston again: https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-Galveston-passenger-train-could-roll-again-1827339.php

 

Another article from 2012 says that they abandoned the Union Pacific plan and the revised one required laying a new set of rail on most segments for $650 mil: https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-Galveston-passenger-rail-may-be-revived-3747946.php

 

Looking at the map in the 2012 article, the train into downtown would use the track that goes over Broadway at Erath St. That's right in an area where the Green line would extend to. No idea how much land would be required to build a train station, but it seems like you could put it a few places in that area? 

 

Also, green line going underneath the train line on Broadway right there would be a big positive. 

 

Here is my option 2 from above with the 2012 recommended train line marked in blue:

 

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It's kind of futile to talk about this of course, since Metro has all of four months to finalize their plan 😕

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, cougarpad said:

If Metro was smart, they would put a station on the green line expansion at one of the rail corridors going in the direction of Galveston for a commuter rail link.The green line would get massive ridership from airline passengers looking to get from Hobby Airport to Galveston for the cruise ships. Currently all these cruise passengers have to take shuttle buses to Galveston from Hobby.

 

If Metro is smart they will not spend money building a station just on the hope that someday someone might build commuter rail to Galveston and that they might build it to the spot where Metro builds a station.  IF commuter rail to Galveston is built, Metro can easily add a station to the Green Line. That would indeed be a good connection to have.

 

Not sure how "massive" the ridership would be from Hobby to Galveston for the cruise ships.  I think a pretty high percentage of Galveston cruise ship passengers are (1) from the metro area, or (2) drive in by car.

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Just now, Houston19514 said:

 

If Metro is smart they will not spend money building a station just on the hope that someday someone might build commuter rail to Galveston and that they might build it to the spot where Metro builds a station.  IF commuter rail to Galveston is built, Metro can easily add a station to the Green Line. That would indeed be a good connection to have.

 

Not sure how "massive" the ridership would be from Hobby to Galveston for the cruise ships.  I think a pretty high percentage of Galveston cruise ship passengers are (1) from the metro area, or (2) drive in by car.

 

I don't think it would be anywhere near the majority, but there is a lot of potential commuter traffic from suburbs along 45. I volunteered at IAH for several years, and I would put the number that were flying into IAH for cruises in the several hundred range per weekend. Enough to where IAH built a bus shelter at terminal C to protect them from wind/rain while loading luggage/etc. I would imagine Hobby would have more than that because of how much closer it is. Private shuttle services like Island Breeze have popped up as well. 

 

So passengers would have to take the light rail into the far east end (15ish minutes) then take a 75ish minute train to Galveston. People would probably do that, but would need to be a bit cheaper than the $30-$35/person shuttle cost. 

 

Probably not gonna happen for IAH passengers. BRT to downtown, then get on greenline (possibly via red line?), then get on train. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, wilcal said:

 

I don't think it would be anywhere near the majority, but there is a lot of potential commuter traffic from suburbs along 45. I volunteered at IAH for several years, and I would put the number that were flying into IAH for cruises in the several hundred range per weekend. Enough to where IAH built a bus shelter at terminal C to protect them from wind/rain while loading luggage/etc. I would imagine Hobby would have more than that because of how much closer it is. Private shuttle services like Island Breeze have popped up as well. 

 

So passengers would have to take the light rail into the far east end (15ish minutes) then take a 75ish minute train to Galveston. People would probably do that, but would need to be a bit cheaper than the $30-$35/person shuttle cost. 

 

Probably not gonna happen for IAH passengers. BRT to downtown, then get on greenline (possibly via red line?), then get on train. 

 

 

 

Interesting. Where is the Cruise Ship Shuttle shelter at Terminal C?

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26 minutes ago, wilcal said:

 

I don't think it would be anywhere near the majority, but there is a lot of potential commuter traffic from suburbs along 45. I volunteered at IAH for several years, and I would put the number that were flying into IAH for cruises in the several hundred range per weekend. Enough to where IAH built a bus shelter at terminal C to protect them from wind/rain while loading luggage/etc. I would imagine Hobby would have more than that because of how much closer it is. Private shuttle services like Island Breeze have popped up as well. 

 

So passengers would have to take the light rail into the far east end (15ish minutes) then take a 75ish minute train to Galveston. People would probably do that, but would need to be a bit cheaper than the $30-$35/person shuttle cost. 

 

Probably not gonna happen for IAH passengers. BRT to downtown, then get on greenline (possibly via red line?), then get on the train. 

 

 

The Expansion of the green line is right in the area of a rail corridor that goes towards Galveston. If you put a rail station at a point along that rail corridor, cruise passengers could take the rail to that station from Hobby then commuter rail to Galveston where the commuter rail station could be at the railroad museum across from the cruise terminal.

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Is it the large shelter you can see as you stand at the Metro bus stop, which is just a sign?

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40 minutes ago, Houston19514 said:

 

Interesting. Where is the Cruise Ship Shuttle shelter at Terminal C?

 

It's this thing (may have to switch to street view if it doesn't drop you in immediately)

 

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12 minutes ago, cspwal said:

Is it the large shelter you can see as you stand at the Metro bus stop, which is just a sign?

 

People keep running into the existing bus shelter. I believe it's currently back to being a shelter again.

 

I asked them to install a safetly bollard but they said that the "sidewalk" wasn't wide enough. JFC, it's freaking at level. There's no curb and no one is walking down the sidewalk. So dumb. 

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3 hours ago, wilcal said:

 

I don't think it would be anywhere near the majority, but there is a lot of potential commuter traffic from suburbs along 45.  

 

 

 

I used to reverse commute from downtown to Ellington field. did it for a few years.

 

Gulf fwy was always packed, both in the morning and the afternoon with commuters. There are a lot of people that live in Clear Lake area that commute to downtown.

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57 minutes ago, samagon said:

 

I used to reverse commute from downtown to Ellington field. did it for a few years.

 

Gulf fwy was always packed, both in the morning and the afternoon with commuters. There are a lot of people that live in Clear Lake area that commute to downtown.

 

One of those old Chron articles about the train said that a train from Galveston would have to be split into Galveston to League City and League City to Houston sections anyway. I definitely think it could be successful. 

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3 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

 

I thought that was for the United and/or Airport employee shuttle buses.

 

Could easily be used for both. I received a memo when it opened to direct cruise passengers for pickup there if their cruise company didn't have a rep in the baggage claim area 🤷‍♂️

 

I thought UA shuttle picks up on the west side though? Again, they've changed a lot of that over the last few years. They've done a piss poor job, especially with Uber/Lyft. All of the signage for ride-sharing was labeled "TNC - Transportation Network Companies" No one knows what the hell that means Houston Airport System. 

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Outside of Hobby Airport workers, who would actually use this light rail route? Families? No. Single travelers with large suitcases? No. Business travelers who can expense a taxi? No. 

 

I'm thinking only budget minded travelers who are traveling to downtown. Not a huge a market. 

 

If I was in charge, (which i'm not) and I had to yield to the mob that wants this boondoggle. I would incorporate park and ride stations along the route, with over night parking available (at your own risk). Park for free or just a couple of bucks, take the light rail to the airport. Kind of like the Smith Lands station. Med Center employees park at the station and ride to the Med Center (also inflates the ridership numbers, but that's for another thread). But I'm not in charge, so that means Metro will double down on stupid and think that if they build it, riders will just come. 

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I worked at Hotels at Hobby and in Galveston and can tell you there are many cruises passengers who fly in and are not driving. So commuter rail that can get people from Hobby to Galveston will get ridership from this. Having one of the light rail expansions having a connection between Hobby and a Commuter rail station in the South East End would help.  Also during Spring and Summer parking in Galveston is hell. I'm sure many Houstonians would prefer an option in getting to Galveston that doesn't require fighting for parking. Having a commuter rail that connects to the Galveston transportation system could be a nice convenience for day trips to Galveston. The commuter rail could end at the old Rail Station in Galveston that is across the street from the main transportation hub that connects to the bus and Trolley system. 

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1 hour ago, 102IAHexpress said:

Outside of Hobby Airport workers, who would actually use this light rail route? Families? No. Single travelers with large suitcases? No. Business travelers who can expense a taxi? No. 

 

I'm thinking only budget minded travelers who are traveling to downtown. Not a huge a market. 

 

If I was in charge, (which i'm not) and I had to yield to the mob that wants this boondoggle. I would incorporate park and ride stations along the route, with over night parking available (at your own risk). Park for free or just a couple of bucks, take the light rail to the airport. Kind of like the Smith Lands station. Med Center employees park at the station and ride to the Med Center (also inflates the ridership numbers, but that's for another thread). But I'm not in charge, so that means Metro will double down on stupid and think that if they build it, riders will just come. 

 

It depends on the travel time.  I've ridden subways and trains in from the airport, with luggage (this last trip a large checked bag, a carry-on, and a backpack).  What decides it for me is always travel time vs cost.  If the train is cheaper, how much slower is it?  Does it drop me off near where I'm going? What time of day will it be?

 

For example, on a recent trip to Vancouver, we were going to a hotel downtown, literally across the street from a subway station.  The ride downtown was half the cost of getting an uber/lyft/whatever and took the same amount of time.

 

On the other hand, on my last trip to DC we decided to take a lyft in because the hotel was .5 mi from the closest metro station, and we were getting in at 10 pm.  The travel time would have been similar though.

 

Bottom line, for me it depends on the size of my travel party, travel time, time of day, and cost.  So is a family going to take a train to hobby to go to Disney world? Probably not.  Is one or two people going on a vacation on a budget going to?  Maybe.  Is a visitor coming in on a budget going to?  Maybe.  It depends on how attractive it is to ride

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For Hobby, the current drive time to 609 Main (a central downtown spot) is 22 minutes.  An uber fare is going to be around $25.  Assuming the light rail averages 15 mph (including stop times), a 6.4 mi extension would add an extra 26 minutes to the 16 minute ride from Central station to Magnolia park, meaning that the trip would take 42 minutes.  Way too long during the day, maybe feasible during rush hour if you're going against traffic.  It also means that any other destination that would require a transfer would tack on another 30 min - an hour.  

 

As a comparison, the orange line to Midway airport in Chicago takes 28 min compared to a 35 min drive

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22 minutes ago, cspwal said:

Bottom line, for me it depends on the size of my travel party, travel time, time of day, and cost.  So is a family going to take a train to hobby to go to Disney world? Probably not.  Is one or two people going on a vacation on a budget going to?  Maybe.  Is a visitor coming in on a budget going to?  Maybe.  It depends on how attractive it is to ride

 

I agree. But we don't need to speculate too much. We have data already. Public transportation exists and is in use to/from Hobby. All of the types of travelers you mention in your post have already rejected public transportation at the airport. The real question is, how will light rail (at a significant higher cost) be more attractive than the current bus service? 

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The public transportation option at Hobby is a joke right now.  It's over an hour to downtown, includes a transfer at Magnolia park, over half that time is spent on a local bus, which are much more cramped than a light rail train.  You can pretty easily bring luggage onto a light rail train unless it's packed; bringing luggage onto a local metro bus sucks.  How many more riders would there be if the bus to the airport took 35 minutes?

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Not sure I would call it a joke. It's public transportation. What are you expecting? It's a bus. A pretty reliable one that I've taken many times to Hobby. Usually takes me less than an hour or about an hour. But I hear you. Buses "suck" and trains don't "suck." But in my opinion, building  light rail at a cost of almost a billion dollars to shave 20 minutes off the bus time (if we're lucky), is not a good use of taxpayer money. 

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One of the casualties of the new bus network was the old 88 bus, which had limited stops between downtown and Hobby.  35 minutes at rush hour, and I took it multiple times.  It was cut because of low ridership.  But that's beside the point.

 

The light rail extension needs to be able to get local riders - people who don't want to go to downtown or the airport, but from home to the grocery store

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9 hours ago, cspwal said:

The public transportation option at Hobby is a joke right now.  It's over an hour to downtown, includes a transfer at Magnolia park, over half that time is spent on a local bus, which are much more cramped than a light rail train.  You can pretty easily bring luggage onto a light rail train unless it's packed; bringing luggage onto a local metro bus sucks.  How many more riders would there be if the bus to the airport took 35 minutes?

 

If I need to go to Hobby, this is what I use...

 

https://www.supershuttle.com

 

It's about $40 from round trip from westchase and they come right to your door and load up your luggage for you.  I typed in a downtown address and it comes up as $22 so inside the loop it's probably a pretty good deal.  Maybe the right solution isn't always public transport.

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I used to use Super Shuttle but Lyft/Uber have replaced them.  This is the criteria I usually use depending on length of trip.  

 

Hobby

1-5 days take car and use shuttle parking

5+ days Uber/Lyft pick based on credits and discounts

 

Bush

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On 4/4/2019 at 2:17 PM, 102IAHexpress said:

Not sure I would call it a joke. It's public transportation. What are you expecting? It's a bus. A pretty reliable one that I've taken many times to Hobby. Usually takes me less than an hour or about an hour. But I hear you. Buses "suck" and trains don't "suck." But in my opinion, building  light rail at a cost of almost a billion dollars to shave 20 minutes off the bus time (if we're lucky), is not a good use of taxpayer money. 

But your sample size is too small which is why it seems like a waste. Multiply that 20 mins for every additional trip the train is able to take within those 20 mins and the additional revenue from riders and it all compounds on itself saving hours upon hours of travel time for riders, not just 20 mins total. 

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On 4/19/2019 at 3:44 PM, j_cuevas713 said:

But your sample size is too small which is why it seems like a waste. Multiply that 20 mins for every additional trip the train is able to take within those 20 mins and the additional revenue from riders and it all compounds on itself saving hours upon hours of travel time for riders, not just 20 mins total. 

 

Your sample size is too big which is why it seems like a great investment. Objectively, the additional train trips that the purple and green lines take now compared to the buses they replaced has -not- yielded compounded results in ridership/revenue. Why should an extension to Hobby be any different, this time, to every inaccurate Metro projection from the past? 

 

If your projections are correct why not just start off with a rapid bus line extension? If the numbers hold up, expand to light rail.

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