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I'm thinking most of the opposition doesn't realize this is supposed to be a rail line in the future, although there are probably some people who would oppose a rail line as well.

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Chimney Rock goes all the way through, but it's also pretty far west of Post Oak to be used as a reliever.  The natural choice would be Sage RD, but it would have to be extended across the bayou and through what looks (on Google Earth) to be a very ritzy neighborhood.  If it went straight across the bayou it would land in a mansion's backyard

 

That being said a Sim City mayor would have no qualms demoing the couple of houses for a road  :D

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This is the first house just across the bayou if Sage were to cut through to Silber, which would be wonderful for traffic flow in the area:

 

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/home/trends/article/At-43-million-mansion-listing-breaks-Houston-5783587.php

 

Needless to say, there's is no chance of that happening.

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cut through tanglewood? hahahahahahahahahahaha *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

yeah.... that's never going to happen. You think Matress Mack is putting up opposition?

 

If this area is receiving BRT, or LR, Post Oak is really the only place it makes sense to do so.

 

Honestly, I'd like to see them pull out of the galleria area, if the vocal component doesn't want it, let them choke on their traffic and go places that light rail makes sense, but isn't shunned. 

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I'm thinking most of the opposition doesn't realize this is supposed to be a rail line in the future, although there are probably some people who would oppose a rail line as well.

 

Not just in the future. Probably with this new rail agreement this might be turned back into a light rail line.

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huh? where would this road go IT?

 

 

Not sure. Wish this could've been done as late as 2002, before they built Hotel Granduca and others.

 

As for the light rail, I'm hoping it could go underground to bypass Memorial Park and all that, probably by taking out the apartment complex at the NW corner of Uptown Park Blvd. before re-emerging on Post Oak Road to the north. Meanwhile, to satisfy the congestion problem, cantilevering Post Oak Road over the existing frontage roads to the other side might satisfy TxDOT, or could be in the median as a two lane road as the light rail/bus lane was supposed to be.

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just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.. Houston Business Journal (opinion piece) had an article today about the Bus Lanes "bringing down" Uptown. :rolleyes:

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/2015/05/op-ed-new-post-oak-bus-lanes-will-bring-down.html

So I just read this, and good God the wealthy really will go to extremes to make their lives richer. "Our Rodeo Drive"?! I'll have whatever he's smoking. Edited by BigFootsSocks

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"Ain't gonna remotely happen."

 

"You can take that to the bank."

 

I wonder if using hackneyed, cliché phrases from a mythical past largely invented by 1950's television shows like Roy Rogers actually increases this guy's credibility with the average Houstonian. I actually think it might.

 

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"Ain't gonna remotely happen."

"You can take that to the bank."

I wonder if using hackneyed, cliché phrases from a mythical past largely invented by 1950's television shows like Roy Rogers actually increases this guy's credibility with the average Houstonian. I actually think it might.

Those were my favorite parts of the whole article :lol:

"Hmmm, maybe if I use big words without context and old catchphrases, maybe these lowly-I mean common folk might think I'm one of them!"

As much crap as we can give this guy though, we really ought to be directing our anger towards HBJ. Screw those morons for even letting something like this be published. Journalistic integrity? How much money was "donated" for this weird rant?

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So I just read this, and good God the wealthy really will go to extremes to make their lives richer. "Our Rodeo Drive"?! I'll have whatever he's smoking.

 

For the life of me I can never figure out how one compares Post Oak to "Rodeo Drive". Other than their being upper-middle to lower-high class people that live on Post Oak there isn't any real comparison. The conclusion must then be rendered that they need their head examined or they are completely delusional.

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Those were my favorite parts of the whole article :lol:

"Hmmm, maybe if I use big words without context and old catchphrases, maybe these lowly-I mean common folk might think I'm one of them!"

As much crap as we can give this guy though, we really ought to be directing our anger towards HBJ. Screw those morons for even letting something like this be published. Journalistic integrity? How much money was "donated" for this weird rant?

Bill King writes equally moronic material for Houston chronicle.

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I'm just glad this whole BRT plan is happening. Regardless of the opposition, the city approved Uptown's budget to include this project. Once this thing is finished, I wonder how many idiots are going to complain once they see how efficient it runs.

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For the life of me I can never figure out how one compares Post Oak to "Rodeo Drive". Other than their being upper-middle to lower-high class people that live on Post Oak there isn't any real comparison. The conclusion must then be rendered that they need their head examined or they are completely delusional.

Container store. Need I say more?

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So many good comments.  Although I like living in the area, I agree it's ridiculous to compare Post Oak to Rodeo Drive or call it a "masterpiece".  My impression is that the folks saying that haven't traveled much.  

 

That said, I'm prepared to be somewhat sympathetic if people own businesses that they think will take a hit during the construction phase.   OK -- I said sympathetic -- but there are also reasons to consider the long-term overall good of this community in the future, which go beyond that.

 

I'm not terribly fond of the BRT option; I would prefer rail, preferably underground.  I walk in the area a lot and I often wonder when I'm gonna get hit and sent flying or else run over.  

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Also ... I don't really trust Culberson (and I'm in his district).  I've tried to withhold judgement, but after I saw him at a presentation Andy Icken (CoH Chief Development Officer) made a few months ago at the Post Oak Hilton, I was rather disgusted.  He brought along a small band of sycophants who seemed to have been prepped for the presentation by having their fears whipped up.  They were rather rude to Andy, who actually seemed to handle the onslaught of taunts rather well.

 

After that event, it struck me as being odd that -- while virtually everyone sees it as beneficial to have Houston grow fast and their property values increase a lot -- so many people don't see that infrastructure improvements protect their assets. 

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One teensy little thing though...

 

For those of y'all who keep mentioning underground trains, it would never work. Much of Houston was built on swampland, remember? Those floods that we get, the high water table, the silty sand underneath all the concrete, the fault line under Richmond Ave. that causes you to play out your "I'm riding a bull in the rodeo" fantasies as you bounce down it... 

 

He was right in the article when he said that Metro's ridership is dismal. Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish.

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One teensy little thing though...

 

For those of y'all who keep mentioning underground trains, it would never work. Much of Houston was built on swampland, remember? Those floods that we get, the high water table, the silty sand underneath all the concrete, the fault line under Richmond Ave. that causes you to play out your "I'm riding a bull in the rodeo" fantasies as you bounce down it... 

 

He was right in the article when he said that Metro's ridership is dismal. Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish.

 

This argument has been used before and with all due respect, it is a weak argument. 

 

Amsterdam was built below sea level and they support subways. Also the fact that Houston was able to build a 7 mile tunnel system underneath it's downtown streets also says something. Let's not forget about the motor vehicle tunnels that went underneath the ship channels in Baytown.

 

So, Subway in Houston is not impossible. Even if Houston's political leaders try to convince us that it's not. They just haven't wanted to put up the $$$$ to do so.

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One teensy little thing though...

For those of y'all who keep mentioning underground trains, it would never work. Much of Houston was built on swampland, remember? Those floods that we get, the high water table, the silty sand underneath all the concrete, the fault line under Richmond Ave. that causes you to play out your "I'm riding a bull in the rodeo" fantasies as you bounce down it...

He was right in the article when he said that Metro's ridership is dismal. Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish.

Ok so your last paragraph isn't really debatable so much as it is totally false. Metro's ridership numbered have increased 11% from January 2015 to January 2016 as a result of the new bus implementation system. The P&R system is definitely used so much more than "somewhat" and the same goes for the Express networks.

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One teensy little thing though...

 

For those of y'all who keep mentioning underground trains, it would never work. Much of Houston was built on swampland, remember? Those floods that we get, the high water table, the silty sand underneath all the concrete, the fault line under Richmond Ave. that causes you to play out your "I'm riding a bull in the rodeo" fantasies as you bounce down it... 

 

He was right in the article when he said that Metro's ridership is dismal. Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish.

 

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In terms of underground rails, it probably would flood only under rare circumstances, such as 2001 Allison flooding or to a lesser extent floods last Memorial Day, but even Sandy flooded the NYC subways, so it's not a deal-breaker.

 

What would be a potential deal-breaker is dissolved oil under the surface, but the Uptown area never had noxious pre-EPA petrochemical plants and was predominantly farmland.

 

As Richmond, I'm not aware of the fault line (if it exists) but I always got the impression that it was in that state because of a combination of poor maintenance (which isn't unique, most of the roads have gotten really bad before getting replaced) and the fact that it got even worse (in the outer lanes) because of constant bus usage. A fault line problem would be obvious if it starts to fall apart even though the concrete (or asphalt) looks practically brand new, of which Richmond isn't the case.

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Faults don't seem to be an insurmountable problem for BART, LA's subway, the Tokyo metro...

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Driving around every day, (I drive for a living.) I hardly ever see a full city route bus. They just don't happen. Yes, the P&R buses get utilized, (somewhat) but that's a different kettle of fish.

 

Not too sure about this.  Routes 41 and 76 are SRO on the way to and home from work every day.

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Bus 82 is quite busy, too; I believe they are increasing its frequency to every 6 minutes at peak times to try to handle the ridership.

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Bus 82 is quite busy, too; I believe they are increasing its frequency to every 6 minutes at peak times to try to handle the ridership.

 

They are

 

 

 

adding even more buses to the Westheimer route, giving it a frequency of every six minutes during peak times. That would put it on par with the light rail Red Line 

 

I'm not sure when it is starting though.

 

Westheimer really needs some sort of heavier transit method - BRT, light rail, subway, elevated train, cable car - something

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They are

 

 

I'm not sure when it is starting though.

 

Westheimer really needs some sort of heavier transit method - BRT, light rail, subway, elevated train, cable car - something

 

I've always thought a heavy rail subway under Westheimer from like Beltway 8 all the way into downtown would get great ridership. 

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I've always thought a heavy rail subway under Westheimer from like Beltway 8 all the way into downtown would get great ridership. 

 

If I had a somewhat unlimited check book I'd do:

 

Elevated light rail west of S. Rice st (at grade in certain spots if possible / if there are long stretches without lights). Keep it in the median as there is plenty of street capacity for cars.

 

Underground light rail east of Sage......something like Boston's system.

 

That would save "some" $. But we're talking bazillions of dollars here.

 

Pipe dreams.....

 

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If I had a somewhat unlimited check book I'd do:

 

Elevated light rail west of S. Rice st (at grade in certain spots if possible / if there are long stretches without lights). Keep it in the median as there is plenty of street capacity for cars.

 

Underground light rail east of Sage......something like Boston's system.

 

That would save "some" $. But we're talking bazillions of dollars here.

 

Pipe dreams.....

 

 

Heh, yea my fantasy system would likely cost like $25-30 billion, but it'd get amazing ridership.  Neither here nor there though. 

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For anyone interested in the BRT lanes veing installed alobg Post Oak Blvd... the recent news is very positive... so excited to see this moving forward... the Attorney General basically washed his hands on the issue... I wonder how pissed off those who are against the BRT lanes are now? Lol

Uptown-houston.com

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For anyone interested in the BRT lanes veing installed alobg Post Oak Blvd... the recent news is very positive... so excited to see this moving forward... the Attorney General basically washed his hands on the issue... I wonder how pissed off those who are against the BRT lanes are now? Lol

Uptown-houston.com

 

Is there an article that discusses this?

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any potential start date? I'm guessing they wouldn't want the roads ripped up around Super Bowl. 

 

So either start now or wait until next year?

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any potential start date? I'm guessing they wouldn't want the roads ripped up around Super Bowl. 

 

So either start now or wait until next year?

 

Work started sometime last year.

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3 hours ago, Urbannizer said:

HAHAHA! Man there is no way they have a case. They are fighting tooth and nail with whatever they can. Wayne Dolefino!? HAHAHA! Dude needs to get a life.  

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Ahh.. the good ole Cosmopolitan residents strike again. There are plenty of words I can think of to describe them. Unfortunately, they would all be censored on this forum..

Can the city/Uptown TIRZ sue them back? That could put them in their place..

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Hold on a second...... 

 

I dont know anything about this case but, it makes an allegation that certain policies where not followed and open meetings/records laws were similarly not followed in the procurement of parcels of land.  since I am not a lawyer and I have no idea about any local or State precedents, etc, I can't make a judgement on the efficacy of this lawsuit.  It might be spurious or it might have merit.   How can you judge it merits? 

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I don't like the connection between the Post Oak bus lanes and the West Loop bus lane structure. The connection underneath the overpass at Post Oak road will slow down buses and preclude future options, like opening up the West Loop structure to vanpools or HOV. The proposed design is also more disruptive to the main lanes during construction.

http://houstonfreeways.com/Home/west-loop-bus-lanes

 

I attached an image of my suggested better design.

 

TxDOTs public meeting is Tuesday

 

610-bus-lanes.jpg

 

 

 

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I agree, making the bus lane go through the Post Oak/610 frontage intersection always seemed silly to me. Good point about the S curve too. Great amendments all around! It would be nice to see this revision implemented..

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Great (and very sensible) proposal, Max.

 

It appears more easily adapted to rail... sorry, "an alternative use."

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Yeah I'll admit I like it, but with regards to the "S" curve, no other vehicle other than a bus will be allowed onto the lane...and allows plenty of room for a future rail curve...

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don't see how it could be related at all.

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/04/11/sec-charges-paxton-securities-fraud/

 

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Paxton is named in the SEC's complaint along with William Mapp, the founder and former CEO of Servergy Inc. Paxton is accused of raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for Servergy without disclosing he was making a commission.

 

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"People recruiting investors have a legal obligation to disclose any compensation they are receiving to promote a stock, and we allege that Paxton and White concealed the compensation they were receiving for touting Servergy’s product," Shamoil T. Shipchandler, director of the SEC’s Fort Worth regional office

 

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No I'm speaking more on if it affects his ability to even look over any lawsuits filed. Like how does this effect him being able to do his job?

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15 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said:

No I'm speaking more on if it affects his ability to even look over any lawsuits filed. Like how does this effect him being able to do his job?

It doesn't. A conviction on his State charges would have more of an impact than the SEC complaint. 

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I think he's referring to the lawsuit( I think) that Paxton ruled on a few months ago, but I don't think it will give the opposition any ground. His ruling was basically, "yeah I'm not getting involved"

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On 4/9/2016 at 4:35 PM, MaxConcrete said:

The connection underneath the overpass at Post Oak road will slow down buses and preclude future options, like opening up the West Loop structure to vanpools or HOV.

 

Umm, maybe because the structure is intended for buses, rather than two-person "carpools"?

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The green option is much better, Less expensive, way more practical, and theres plenty of room to execute it. Throwing it on top of the freeway just to go maybe 1/4 mile just seems like a waste of time. If it was a straight shot from Post Oak to the Katy Bus terminal then that would be a different story.

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