IronTiger Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 The other day was in Houston again (Christmas shopping, since I forgot to do Amazon and Walmart wasn't going to cut it) and I noticed a very large sign on Westheimer near Hillcroft and Voss, which advertised Select Jewelers (further up Voss). What was the sign's original purpose? I imagine it was for a business, and I immediately thought Safeway (or Weingarten) since I knew it was at that intersection, but the Safeway store was on the southwest side of the street (now Ross Dress for Less). What was it for originally? The only other theory I had was that it was for what is now the Water Mill Apartments, but I'm not sure on that either. Anyone else have any insight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Maybe it was for the gas station that used to be where the CVS is now on the corner? That would be pre-2005 ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 I thought about the gas station, but it's on the wrong side of the property. Actually, pre-dating CVS wasn't a gas station, there was a restaurant on the southeast corner of Hillcroft and Westheimer, built after 1995 but torn down by 2005. The strip center of 6509 Westheimer was built in 1980, but pre-dating that was a restaurant that had, in 1978 a sign about the same length (looks like a different shape but that could be just the garbage quality of the image talking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 17 hours ago, IronTiger said: I thought about the gas station, but it's on the wrong side of the property. Actually, pre-dating CVS wasn't a gas station, there was a restaurant on the southeast corner of Hillcroft and Westheimer, built after 1995 but torn down by 2005. The strip center of 6509 Westheimer was built in 1980, but pre-dating that was a restaurant that had, in 1978 a sign about the same length (looks like a different shape but that could be just the garbage quality of the image talking). The restaurant was Pinos, and it was there well before 1995. It was one of Marvin Zindlers favorite places, and I ate there many times in the 80's with friends. You might be able to get some information on the sign by parking nearby and looking at the permit stickers. I haven't found a sign permit database that's accessible to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 11 hours ago, Ross said: The restaurant was Pinos, and it was there well before 1995. It was one of Marvin Zindlers favorite places, and I ate there many times in the 80's with friends. You might be able to get some information on the sign by parking nearby and looking at the permit stickers. I haven't found a sign permit database that's accessible to the public. They must have done substantial renovations since 1995 when they expanded into adjacent lots because the differences between the early 2000s and 1995 (plus 1989) are quite different. Major renovations I can buy, though, and the south part of the restaurant with the red-looking part of the roof helps substantiate that claim. The big sign can be seen on the northeast part of the property, but it appears to be on the other side of the property, otherwise CVS would've used it or wrecked it. Besides, the other businesses in 1995 help disprove the notion that it was Pinos' sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 After doing some digging, Pino's opened on Hillcroft in 1970. Their original restaurant was on Cullen. The property on Hillcroft was bought in 1969, and sold in 2004. Pino Farinola, the owner of Pino's had a fair amount of prooperty out that direction, including a house in Rivercrest. Google books link on the story of Pino's https://books.google.com/books?id=2Q7DzSs8Xk4C&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=pinos+restaurant+houston&source=bl&ots=HcTmKKFWRv&sig=3s3penXKTiyJNq3I0TXFi9dy14g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwity_WpkMLYAhWLpoMKHQtrBrE4FBDoAQgwMAE#v=onepage&q=pinos restaurant houston&f=false I haven't found any documents on the sign yet, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily B Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I remember that sign from I think the mid 70's and seeing everyday on the way to school and reading it. It had moving "lit up" letters and it was the first of it's kind or something like that. Don't think it had anything to do with the local businesses. Im sure somebody out there knows more about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 You can see that there are two buildings that are in 1995 but not 2001 in my last screenshot...in 1990 there was a Taco Bell and Dunkin Donuts in the space just west of the sign. But it's unlikely that the sign was for those two buildings, because, again, it's on the other side of the sign, and the place closest to the sign was Dumpling King, which was operating there as far back as 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Looks like a billboard to me. You can see the shadow of a billboard in that location in the 1968 historic aerials. That one appears to be at an angle to Westheimer vs the current one, but I'd guess that the current one replaced the prior one at some point. From google streetview and hcad records it also appears that the billboard is on the property of the strip shopping center next to the cvs. At the time it appears Westheimer was a 4 lane suburban road with grassy medians. In the 1966 aerial it appears that area was someone's front yard. By '68 the house was gone and was replaced by what looks like a commercial building with the billboard in the corner of a fairly large and half-empty lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnu Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I don't know if this helps anything but here are the businesses that were on that corner in 1976. Note that the Hillcroft numbering seems slightly different now. Southside Westheimer @Hillcroft eastbound 6535 Westhill Gulf Car Care Center 6525 Taco Bell No. 238 6511 Poor Devils Club 6507 Apartments 6505 Apartments 6503 Apartments 6501 Apartments Eastside Hillcroft @ Westheimer southbound 2711 Pino's 2715 Midas Muffler 2719 Westside Animal Hospital 2721 Jeneal Studios 2727 Jack in the Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock1949 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 When flashing or scrolling [they were analog] were outlawed in the early 80's by Council Member Eleanor TInsley's anti sign campaign, the sign went dark for at least a decade or more. The sign was originally a sort of billboard of the day or hour in the mid 1970's. It was grandfathered under the new sign code, but they couldn't change the surface area so the owners had to figure how to use the limited space as a directional sign for a store located off Westheimer, almost @ San Felipe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 3:26 AM, Shamrock1949 said: When flashing or scrolling [they were analog] were outlawed in the early 80's by Council Member Eleanor TInsley's anti sign campaign, the sign went dark for at least a decade or more. The sign was originally a sort of billboard of the day or hour in the mid 1970's. It was grandfathered under the new sign code, but they couldn't change the surface area so the owners had to figure how to use the limited space as a directional sign for a store located off Westheimer, almost @ San Felipe... Being from the 1990s, I have no idea how to even visualize a scrolling analog sign (surely some movie has something from it...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, IronTiger said: Being from the 1990s, I have no idea how to even visualize a scrolling analog sign (surely some movie has something from it...) I'm sure you've seen something like this...even if not in person. This one is from 1941 so they've been around for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 3:26 AM, Shamrock1949 said: When flashing or scrolling [they were analog] were outlawed in the early 80's by Council Member Eleanor TInsley's anti sign campaign, the sign went dark for at least a decade or more. The sign was originally a sort of billboard of the day or hour in the mid 1970's. It was grandfathered under the new sign code, but they couldn't change the surface area so the owners had to figure how to use the limited space as a directional sign for a store located off Westheimer, almost @ San Felipe... I remember those portable signs that had a large red sheet metal arrow that would point at the business, and a signboard surrounded by flashing lights. They were common on Lower Westheimer, and favorites of massage parlors and strip clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkultra25 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, dbigtex56 said: I remember those portable signs that had a large red sheet metal arrow that would point at the business, and a signboard surrounded by flashing lights. They were common on Lower Westheimer, and favorites of massage parlors and strip clubs. Or the variants without the arrows, which used to be almost as ubiquitous as mosquitoes or cockroaches in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1979 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Is this the sign you are referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 1:28 AM, matty1979 said: Is this the sign you are referring to? That's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWah Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 That sign is part of the 6509 Westheimer shopping center. As noted above, it was originally a scrolling text sign but went dead for years. I worked for a brokerage company that had sold the center to a New York group, (Izzy Ashkenazy), and some years later a billboard guy approached us wanting to revamp it as it was in a very prominent, (and grandfathered), location. While the city wouldn't allow any major alterations, they were allowed to "repair" it. So the billboard guy, the broker and two lawyers did a long term lease from the NY group and went looking for a tenant. They found Select and instead of doing any kind of electronic upgrade, just fixed the spotlights and put up the plastic sign faces that are up now, (though they've been replaced a couple of times). The billboard guy, (Jeff?), had numerous health issues and passed away many years ago. He was a good guy. I'm sure the long term lease is up by now. Ashkenazy's son sold the center and is now a billionaire. Smart guy. He also sold the Page Parkes building at 2727 Kirby to Mike Atlas, as well as a few other things. I always thought that sign had a lot of untapped potential as it is visible a long way down Westheimer from both directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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