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Even in years past when it has seemed the team would be bad, people have shown up pretty well for the first few series. I was at opening day and went again today, and there isn't any crowd to speak of. Opening day attendance says 41,042 but there is no way it was that full. Today was nice, I rolled up with the 1 year old halfway through the game and sat down near home plate in the shade. I kind of like that no one is there, it makes it easier to move around and a 5 seat buffer is key when the 1 year old wants to climb and explore. Also, it doesn't get too loud and scare him.

So, with the team obviously for sale, is this a lost year? Or are some of the unknown players in the lineup young guns who will mature into the next solid players? If you look at it they aren't even that young, just unknown. Bourgeous is 29, Downs 27, Sanchez 28. Some people seem to love Pence, but something about the way he plays he just looks awkward. He throws like a 7 year old whose dad never taught him the right way. He runs weird too.

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Despite the fact that my BF has a man-crush on Pence, geez he hacks at the plate. I thought Bagwell swung at some awful stuff, but he's met his match in #9. We were at the Cubs series last week. Ridiculous--maybe 20,000 in the park for a major road team. If Hall and Sanchez stay healthy, we might have two occasionally successful hitters.

Ugh.

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This team is pretty awful, and there aren't many hopes of getting too much better any time soon. With Drayton obviously trying to sell the team, he doesn't care about the performance right now, only getting as much money as he can for the team. So you are probably right, this is a lost season. Hopefully our new owner will spend on some good players. I always said that Mark Cuban would be a great owner for the Astros... I hate him as the Mavs owner and think he is incredibly obnoxious, but I guarantee you he would bring some big-time players in if he bought the Astros. Luckily we're likely getting a noted racist and sexist owner instead! But who cares, as long as he brings us a World Series right? As for the attendance, can you imagine how awful some early week games against teams like Pittsburgh will be? I bet there will be less than 10,000 people in the stadium for some late season games (of course, the reported attendance will be double that, but everyone can see that there aren't anywhere near that many people there). Regardless, I'll still support the Astros, no matter how bad we are. Gotta represent H-Town.

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Went to the game Thursday, aside from riding around for 5 minutes looking for somewhere to lock the bike, it was nice, the changes to the stadium are really great, huge crisp screen, neat history shown before the game.

Would like to go again this season, but I hate the owner, and don't like giving him money, ticket prices aren't bad, but concession prices are rumored to be some of the highest in the league.

Anyway, hope he sells soon so I can go enjoy more games.

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I don't know about yall but I think they are fun to watch. Seriously. There is no expectations, and we are supposed to have a crappy season. I've enjoyed watching the speed and youthfulness of some of our players. Steals seem to be plentiful. I think they need time to gel as a team.

I am an optimist and think they will get better as the season goes along.

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I've been going to games for decades. I average about 20 games at MMP, with 1 or 2 "away" games a year. I'm not hardcore, but I enjoy the game, and its has been disappointing for me to watch my beloved astros tank the way they have been because the owner simply won't shell out any bucks.

I'm still irritated they let Oswalt and Berkman go.

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Some people seem to love Pence, but something about the way he plays he just looks awkward. He throws like a 7 year old whose dad never taught him the right way. He runs weird too.

Yeah, he is really awkward looking. But some how he runs the bases and covers outfield. And his throws get in, i remember him having plenty of outfield assists early on when I was paying more attention. But i agree it looks goofy.

I haven't been out this year, but will at some point. I wanted to go to bring your dog day (did that with the aeros and my pup loved it though he was scared when they came crashing in to the boards) but that was last weekend and i missed it due to the MS150.

But yeah, i assumed this was a lost season. but you never know in baseball. Central is not that strong but are chances are slim...

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What do yall think of a Hines co-owner being part of the new Astros ownership group? Will he want to put more buildings in the line of sight from the stadium seats? I'm sure he will keep level headed but I'm sure there might be a tiny bit of influence.

Will Galtney and Jeff Hines

Galtney is the chariman of Galtney Enterprises, Cedar Equities, Oxford Insurance Services, and Gessner Holdings, LLC and is involved in insurance brokerage. Hines is the president, co-owner and CEO of Hines, a privately owned international real-estate firm founded by and named for his father, Gerald D. Hines. The company was founded in 1957 and is responsible for many local landmarks, including the Galleria, Williams Tower, the JPMorgan Chase Tower, Pennzoil Place and One Shell Plaza.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2011/05/16/report-prominent-houstonians-part-of-group-to-by-astros/

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What do yall think of a Hines co-owner being part of the new Astros ownership group? Will he want to put more buildings in the line of sight from the stadium seats? I'm sure he will keep level headed but I'm sure there might be a tiny bit of influence.

I don't know what his angle would be. He probably just really likes baseball.

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The more I read about Crane, the more I already miss Drayton.

Also, has anyone seen how much debt is being floated to "buy" the team? It's around $300 million for a team that reportedly only brought in $14 million last season. The numbers that are public so far don't seem to add up. Is MLB trying to help inflate the value of a major league franchise? Nah, couldn't be.

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I don't know what his angle would be. He probably just really likes baseball.

Yeah, I think he just really likes baseball, too. But I'm just curious if it's possible that building a high-rise that would be in all stadium shots and seen from the stadium could by a byproduct of being part owner. Hey, he's a human, too, and it's possible that he make slightly emotional decisions. This could be one of them ;p

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I'd love to see the Astros and Rangers in the same division:

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2011/10/12/houston-astros-heading-to-american.html

Houston Astros heading to American League?

by Emily Wilkinson

October 12, 2011

... the key area of dispute in recent weeks has been the proposed American League move.

A move to the American League would put the Astros in the same league as intrastate rival Texas Rangers...

Here's another article about the proposed move:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-10-12/astros-potential-owner-disputes-reports-of-move-to-al

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Drayton started this mess by firing Hunsicker.

I know I can't blame him for the retirement of Bagz and Bidge.. But I can blame crap management for putting us in the situation which forced us to then trade away anyone else we fans might care about.

Our senior statesmen (6 yrs) are Wandy, who will be traded soon and a fat poopy head, slow, overpaid outfielder ( 4 yrs ). The rest of our teams is a bunch of nobodies.

Crane sold us out.

And his BS response in the chronicle on saturday.. " I had no choice, I couldn't have purchased the team without the switch..." THEN don't buy the team poopy headhole !!!

Crane doesn't own the Astros. Drayton didn't own the Astros.

Houston owns the astros. We pay to see the show.. without the fans, there's be no revenue.

I could care two about a forced rivalry with the Rangers. We belong with the Cubs and the Cardinals.

Now we get to stay up to midnight to finish watching away games in Seattle, Oakland, and Anaheim.. teams I could care less about.

The solution to evening out the leagues, based on geography and former affiliation, would be to move Milwaukee back to the AL. If the AL west is too far for them, put them in the central, and put KC in the west.. which is just as far west as us, and a a helluva lot closer to Seattle then us.

I used to go to 15-20 games a season,but no more. Astros are dead to me.

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the business model is to keep the payroll as low as possible and get the shared TV and merchandising revenue from the league. If the AAstros win a few games, it's a bonus.

The AAstros have a history of trading away the best players on the team and getting Mark Lemongellos in hopes of building something, which never works out. I'm surprised that Biggio and Bagwell were on the team as long as they were!

The AAstros are a schedule filling team, always have been, always will be.

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I never understood why Selig thought it was such a problem having unbalanced leagues. It's been that way since 1977 and the world hasn't ended yet. Now they have to find a way to have an interleague game every day just so the schedules will work. I also think it's a cheap trick to add another round of playoffs just to sell an additional set of tickets. If MLB doesn't care about it's fans they oughtn't care about it.

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"Starting in the 2012 season, more than 5,000 seats at Minute Maid Park will have lower prices than in 2011. Adult ticket prices in the outfield deck will be reduced from $7 to $5, and children’s tickets will be $1.

Field box prices will drop from $41 to $29, and seats in a new club level will cost $35, including food credits, down from $46."

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2012/01/houston-astros-aim-to-win-fans-with.html

Hopefully we can get more fans in the seats, people in downtown and continue to attract more developments in the area.

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"Starting in the 2012 season, more than 5,000 seats at Minute Maid Park will have lower prices than in 2011. Adult ticket prices in the outfield deck will be reduced from $7 to $5, and children’s tickets will be $1.

Field box prices will drop from $41 to $29, and seats in a new club level will cost $35, including food credits, down from $46."

http://www.bizjourna...-fans-with.html

Hopefully we can get more fans in the seats, people in downtown and continue to attract more developments in the area.

And then it will go up again by 2013.

They were $5 not to long ago, maybe 2008.

Oh well.

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You can also bring your own food, as long as it is in a clear plastic bag. They're also considering changing the team name (idiotic).

I don't have a problem with them changing the name. Allowing people to bring food is long overdue. I bought weekend season tickets for the Astros for years, but I finally got fed up with the prices, stupid canned 'entertainment', and forced searches for smuggled forbidden food in the name of 'security'. On top of all that, I'm none too please about the move to the AL. It's about time that baseball started giving a thought to the fans if they want to win people like me back.

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Nickg, I hope the name change doesn't happen, but the Khou article says its a serious consideration. Whatever the uniforms look like, I hope they have classic and edgy elements.

We'll see what plays out. Truth is I would continue to go either way.

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What are other pro teams that have changed their names, Washington Bullets?

It'll feel like we're throwing out our entire history with the name change. Or maybe not. What's the point of doing it anyway, simply to start fresh??? I think food and uniform changes is enough. I don't see a need to change the name.

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What are other pro teams that have changed their names, Washington Bullets?

It'll feel like we're throwing out our entire history with the name change. Or maybe not. What's the point of doing it anyway, simply to start fresh??? I think food and uniform changes is enough. I don't see a need to change the name.

I really don't think they will change it so I am not getting that worked up about it but I agree that it does seem like throwing away history. I have heard several stories and read several articles about the reasoning they would want to and the ones that stuck in my mind for one reason or another were that they were named after the Astrodome and they no longer play there, the potential reduction of NASA in Houston, and that the history they are throwing away is a history of losing.

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I really don't think they will change it so I am not getting that worked up about it but I agree that it does seem like throwing away history. I have heard several stories and read several articles about the reasoning they would want to and the ones that stuck in my mind for one reason or another were that they were named after the Astrodome and they no longer play there, the potential reduction of NASA in Houston, and that the history they are throwing away is a history of losing.

A coworker said they were talking about this on the country music radio stations and one of the reasons people were upset is because they have star or "Astros" tattoos, haha.

The history of losing is a bad reason imo. Every team goes through droughts and they don't change their name to try and change things around. Astros have only lost very recently. Historically, they've done very well.

Despite what you've heard, I still don't understand Crane's reasoning for doing this. They don't make sense. Seems more like he just wants to leave his mark. Isn't he from Houston?

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A coworker said they were talking about this on the country music radio stations and one of the reasons people were upset is because they have star or "Astros" tattoos, haha.

The history of losing is a bad reason imo. Every team goes through droughts and they don't change their name to try and change things around. Astros have only lost very recently. Historically, they've done very well.

Despite what you've heard, I still don't understand Crane's reasoning for doing this. They don't make sense. Seems more like he just wants to leave his mark. Isn't he from Houston?

They're all bad reasons. I have a feeling it's just a publicity stunt to get people talking about the Astros, and if that is the case, it has worked.

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What are other pro teams that have changed their names, Washington Bullets?

It'll feel like we're throwing out our entire history with the name change. Or maybe not. What's the point of doing it anyway, simply to start fresh??? I think food and uniform changes is enough. I don't see a need to change the name.

The Phillies went through a phase as the Bluejays, and for a while in the 1950s the Reds were the Redlegs, so people wouldn't assume they were Communists. The NY Jets changed their name from the Titans.

The more I think about it, the more I think it's not a bad idea to change names to go into the AL. To me the Astros are always an NL franchise. Plus the name 'Astros' is a bit dated.

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The Phillies went through a phase as the Bluejays, and for a while in the 1950s the Reds were the Redlegs, so people wouldn't assume they were Communists. The NY Jets changed their name from the Titans.

The more I think about it, the more I think it's not a bad idea to change names to go into the AL. To me the Astros are always an NL franchise. Plus the name 'Astros' is a bit dated.

I heard someone else saying they thought the Astros name is dated. Am I just used to the name so I haven't noticed?

At least it was always in Houston and makes historical sense, unlike teams such as the Utah Jazz.

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Jim Crane addressed the fans concern over the possible Astros name change, saying the outpouring of fan mail has been overwhelming and the Astros will remain the Astros.

http://houston.astro...7609543863-1032

So, Jim Crane got everyone talking about the Astros just long enough that there were real emotions felt for the team and for the first time in a while the conversations were not associated with "could this be the worst season for an mlb team ever". He has now put an end to it before people start hating him from the get go.

Maybe there is hope for the Astros under him just yet.

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I really don't think they will change it so I am not getting that worked up about it but I agree that it does seem like throwing away history. I have heard several stories and read several articles about the reasoning they would want to and the ones that stuck in my mind for one reason or another were that they were named after the Astrodome and they no longer play there, the potential reduction of NASA in Houston, and that the history they are throwing away is a history of losing.

This just shows how short attention spans of fans...or maybe just Houstonians...are. Of all of the MLB teams added during expansion (from 1961 to the present), the Houston Astros have the 2nd highest win total, and 4th highest winning percentage. And, until last season's epic collapse, they had the highest winning percentage of all 14 expansion teams. That is better than Arizona, Florida, and most recently, the Texas Rangers.

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This just shows how short attention spans of fans...or maybe just Houstonians...are. Of all of the MLB teams added during expansion (from 1961 to the present), the Houston Astros have the 2nd highest win total, and 4th highest winning percentage. And, until last season's epic collapse, they had the highest winning percentage of all 14 expansion teams. That is better than Arizona, Florida, and most recently, the Texas Rangers.

I agree with you, we even won the pennant in 2005, that was not that long ago. Trying to think in that mentality it might be because there are groups of people who believe if you don't win a championship you don't have a winning team. I wouldn't go as far as say it's only Houstonians that do that but I do think we lack the community team support when compared with areas like Boston or Chicago, who didn't win world series from 1918 to 2004 or are still waiting for a third for almost twice as long as the Astros have even been around, respectively. I'm really hoping Crane can get people in the stands and we can start building momentum and community around the team. Baseball is not the same in front of the TV you really need to be there with a bunch of friends.

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