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Aramark may get a piddly fine from the TABC for serving minors. The clerk who sold the beer however, gets arrested, frog walked to the jail, and faces the possibility of a year in jail and a $4000 fine. And, you withhold their tip for not wanting to go to jail? :o

I prefer to tip on service, not one's willingness to flirt with arrest. But hey, it's your money.

Red, not asking a stupid redundant question that we both already know the answer to IS service to me, and good service at that. Texas law does not require ID to be shown to purchase alcohol, it's on the TABC website and easily accessible from Google (can't post a link from my iPhone, at least not til next week :P)

Asking everyone for ID is an Aramark policy in an attempt to protect their monopoly at all costs, even at the cost of poor service to customers, who, after all, aren't that important anyway when you have a monopoly.

Yeah, waiters can be severely penalized if they serve to a minor, so it's in their best interest to card when there is doubt that the customer is of age, but surely even the flunkiest of all Aramark employees doesn't have a serious doubt about Grandpa (or even me). They ask because Aramark makes them.

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Worst. Justification. Ever.

Whether it is the conglomerate Aramark, or my tiny little restaurant with a beer license, ensuring that the license is not lost by unthinking employees is paramount. I am quite sure that Aramark would say the same thing I did when my ID policies were questioned...'When your investment is on the line, you can make the rules.' And, for you to think that anyone might even care if you got carded is downright comical. The solution is simple. Do not buy alcohol at the ballpark.

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Cotton, it is ARAMARK'S policy to card anyone and everyone. NOT the pimply-faced goof walking down the aisles, who has the kegerator on his back. If it was some hot chick in a Hooter's uniform carding you, she would get twice the tip, and you would say something suave like, "Bless your heart !" C'mon bro, TIP THE MAN !!!

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Worst. Justification. Ever.

Whether it is the conglomerate Aramark, or my tiny little restaurant with a beer license, ensuring that the license is not lost by unthinking employees is paramount. I am quite sure that Aramark would say the same thing I did when my ID policies were questioned...'When your investment is on the line, you can make the rules.' And, for you to think that anyone might even care if you got carded is downright comical. The solution is simple. Do not buy alcohol at the ballpark.

What? Worst justification for what? You said that the employee would get frog-marched and thrown in jail for not asking for ID, I said that wasn't true and TABC only cares about whether or not minors are actually served. Since I'm not a minor, they would not go to jail for serving me, regardless of whether they ask me for ID (link here):

State Law

Texas state law does not require that a person over 21 provide any identification to purchase alcohol in Texas. There is nothing in the law that declares specific forms of ID as “valid” for an alcohol purchase.

However, the law does provide a statutory defense to the charge of selling an alcoholic beverage to a minor when the seller has asked for and examined an apparently valid DPS issued Texas DL or ID card which contains a physical description consistent with the presenter's appearance and shows the presenter to be 21 years of age of older.

For that reason, since store clerks, wait staff, and bartenders can be held criminally liable for selling alcohol to a minor, they often require a Texas Driver's License or Texas Identification Card issued by the Department of Public Safety, to prove that the person really is 21.

A store, bar or restaurant might or might not sell alcohol to a person with an out-of-state driver's license, military ID, or passport. What's acceptable in any establishment is a matter of that establishment's private business policies.

If the patron is obviously over 21, the establishment may not require any ID at all.

Of course, under the Company Policy section there is also this:

Company Policies

Some retailers in Texas have policies requiring that customers provide proof of age for all alcoholic beverage purchases, regardless of the age of the customer.

There are some other retailers in Texas that will only accept a Texas Driver's License or Texas Identification Card as “valid identification” to purchase alcoholic beverages.

Some retailers will insist that everyone in a group show proof that they are 21 or over when anyone in the group is attempting to purchase alcoholic beverages. This is an attempt to prevent adults from illegally providing alcohol to minors.

These are internal company policies and are more strict that what state law requires. However, these establishments have the legal right to insist on proof of age for alcohol purchases.

I'm not saying that Aramark doesn't have the right to set their own policies, or whether or not it's justified (since it's a monopoly, it's certainly smart to protect it at all costs) - I'm just saying that I think it's poor service and I don't like it, ESPECIALLY when I have to flash it twice within 10 feet to the person serving and the person selling (who just saw me show the person in front of him anyway) when all three of us already know that it's legal for me to buy it and they're just going through the kabuki dance of asking so that their employer can avoid any and all mistakes and keep their license and continue to overcharge me for the product in the future.

So when the person who serves me beer treats me with a little respect and common sense, which I consider to be good SERVICE, I tip for it.

I thought the whole point of this thread was to complain about Aramark and the Astros' concession policies, no? That's all I'm doing.

EDIT: ps - TJ I know it's their policy to ask anyone and everyone. My point is that I think it's inconvenient and a little disrespectful to paying customers who obviously are way over 21, and thus bad service. But rather than give their employees a little bit of leeway and judgment, Aramark just has them card anyway, and since they have a monopoly (which is the point of the original article), it's doesn't really matter what the customers think since they can't go anywhere else.

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What? Worst justification for what? You said that the employee would get frog-marched and thrown in jail for not asking for ID, I said that wasn't true and TABC only cares about whether or not minors are actually served. Since I'm not a minor, they would not go to jail for serving me, regardless of whether they ask me for ID (link here):

Don't put words in my mouth, hoss. Read my post. It clearly said 'minors'.

I'll ignore the rest, as it is symptomatic of Grumpy Old Man Syndrome, and really not worth adding to.

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Don't put words in my mouth, hoss. Read my post. It clearly said 'minors'.

I'll ignore the rest, as it is symptomatic of Grumpy Old Man Syndrome, and really not worth adding to.

You're right, I didn't read it closely enough. I apologize.

Although I figured the whole point of this thread was grumpy old man (or family on a budget) syndrome.

That said, you said you tip for service and I'll stand by my point that I do too. :D

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Banning outside food at Astros games "has been kind of a tradition in Houston," said Astros owner Drayton McLane,

Tradition seems like a very strange word to use for banning something. Maybe "decades-old rule" or "long time policy", etc. But Tradition? That sounds like it's something everyone looks forward to or is proud of -

"Hey everybody, it's time for our 47th annual banning of food".

:huh:

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I'm just dying to go to a game and sit next to some mouth breather scarfing down a panormous pizza they brought in on a dolly and a mini keg of diet coke.

So, am I a mouth breather? When I'm on a drinking/eating binge at a game with a buddy, I am all about committing one of the seven deadly sins (gluttony).

Must be nice to have money.

Please. I'm probably the lowest earning member on the board, but I know how to manage my money (not to The Niche's extreme), but baseball is my outlet. :)

Actually we tried it the last time but the ushers caught us. But if they keep losing and the stadium is empty then maybe they won't mind.

I will usually buy the cheap seats when it's a weeknight and move my way down. The trick is to merely walk in like you own the place.

Then again, I go so often that ushers' recognize me and look honest enough (suckers!) to choose my own seat.

Cotton; I agree with Red, the kid is doing his job. Don't disparage his youth or job simply because he's doing what he is TOLD to do. If you can't get past that, then perhaps you are suffering from Grumpy Old man syndrome.

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How is the TABC authoritarian?

Takes to long to explain that and this is not the thread to do so. Just ask anyone with a liquor license. They have the power to make or break a place. They have the power to make arrests. Trust me, there is no organization in the State of Texas with more power.

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Takes to long to explain that and this is not the thread to do so. Just ask anyone with a liquor license. They have the power to make or break a place. They have the power to make arrests. Trust me, there is no organization in the State of Texas with more power.
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Takes to long to explain that and this is not the thread to do so. Just ask anyone with a liquor license. They have the power to make or break a place. They have the power to make arrests. Trust me, there is no organization in the State of Texas with more power.
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I hate this kind of lawsuit trying to blame others for people's problem. It's not MY fault, they made me get drunk and drive. Even if free drinks are available, YOU are responsible for your actions. Idiots.

Umm, the lawsuit was filed by the dead TxDOT worker's family against the drunk driver who killed him. Maybe its because I'm a lawyer, but I am absolutely in favor of blaming the drunk who ran over me for my problem with being dead.

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Yeah the lawsuit is against the drunk driver, not Aramark. They don't say just how intoxicated the person was so I don't know how they can blame Aramark. Heck, I'll bet a 1/3 of the people leaving sporting events are legally over the limit. Don't you think?

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Yeah the lawsuit is against the drunk driver, not Aramark. They don't say just how intoxicated the person was so I don't know how they can blame Aramark. Heck, I'll bet a 1/3 of the people leaving sporting events are legally over the limit. Don't you think?

Just a thought, but the TABC investigation appears to involve the possibility that the drunk was getting his drinks free from an Aramark employee. They might try to get them in the suit that way. However, serving someone free drinks is very likely outside the scope of the Aramark server's employment, so it would be a stretch. Unless they could show Aramark knows that off-duty employees drink free and condones it, they probably would be safe from the lawsuit. Of course, Aramark has the deep pockets, so you always try to get them in the suit somehow.

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i believe the story is the one who killed the txdot worker was an aramark employee who was drunk with freebee drinks. at least that's how 13's story was last nite.

True, but the TABC investigation likely centers on the free drinks. It is illegal to give more than one free drink to a customer per day. The employee was off-duty, so he would be a customer on that day. In a normal scenario, this would not be considered a violation worthy of taking the license. It would be an adminstrative sanction, such as a fine. They could also be looking into the serving of an obviously intoxicated patron. This would also be an administrative violation in most cases.

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Umm, the lawsuit was filed by the dead TxDOT worker's family against the drunk driver who killed him. Maybe its because I'm a lawyer, but I am absolutely in favor of blaming the drunk who ran over me for my problem with being dead.

No problem blaming the drunk, that's my point.

Just a thought, but the TABC investigation appears to involve the possibility that the drunk was getting his drinks free from an Aramark employee. They might try to get them in the suit that way. However, serving someone free drinks is very likely outside the scope of the Aramark server's employment, so it would be a stretch. Unless they could show Aramark knows that off-duty employees drink free and condones it, they probably would be safe from the lawsuit. Of course, Aramark has the deep pockets, so you always try to get them in the suit somehow.

That's what I meant. It's not Aramark's fault that guy got drunk and killed someone. Even if it was some free drinks thing, you take responsibility for your actions.

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I really don't mind not being allowed to bring food into the ballpark, but I just wish they had better food! The dogs (regular and sausage) taste horrible unless drenched in mustard and the nachos are the gross stuff I can get at Sam's. When we went for a game against Pittsburgh, the visiting team special was a cheeseburger? You would think that they might be a little more creative and have maybe, I don't know....Philly cheesesteak sandwich? Aramark in my opinion is awful. I think when the ballpark opened 10 years ago, they said one of the things that was improved upon from the Dome was the food - they failed.

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I would rather they ban beer than imported food at the ballpark - or at least have alcohol free family nights a couple times a year for us with little ones that don't care spilt beer on our feet and slurred F bombs every thirty seconds.

Just my .02 cents.

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I can't believe no one has been motivated to start the 2010 Astros topic yet!!!! Wait, 0-7 and less than 2 runs per game so far? Ouch. It would be easier if we could say it was pitching or hitting, but it's both. Ok try to find a positive...no one has more than 1 HR...no pitchers with wins...team leader has 3 RBI (Placido Polanco had 6 in 1 game)...team leader has 2 runs...well they are in the top half of MLB in fielding percentage!...and Oswalt's ERA is decent at 3.75!

This has to be one of the worst starts I've seen in years. I know it's just a small set of games, but dang. I think their success must be indirectly related to the price of beer and other concessions, because there's no logical reason for a professional team to be this bad.

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what do you mean, because he hung around so long with his huge contract, keeping us from signing other big free agents?

Or because he was a 'roided up douche? The Astros should have shopped Berkman last year. He's past his prime now and they need young talent in a bad way.

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on what merits are you calling him a douche?

So you agree he was at least 'roided up...as for douche, a friend of mine was good friends with his wife/girlfriend (different?) and crossed paths with him at least half a dozen times, and stated that he was a douche. I don't care either way really. I just think he looked like something was up his arse when he batted, like in this excellent rendering by Highway6

Bagwell2.jpg

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So you agree he was at least 'roided up...as for douche, a friend of mine was good friends with his wife/girlfriend (different?) and crossed paths with him at least half a dozen times, and stated that he was a douche. I don't care either way really. I just think he looked like something was up his arse when he batted, like in this excellent rendering by Highway6

Bagwell2.jpg

Who knows, maybe he really wasn't nice. He always seemed like a nice guy on camera.

Don't know if he was on roids or not, but would not be surprised if he was.

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The Hatred Index

Using an algorithm designed by Nielsen Co. that measures positive and negative reactions on the Internet, here are the 10 most despised teams in baseball (scale is -5 to 5).

Team Score

1. Cleveland Indians0.9

2. Boston Red Sox1.1

3. Cincinnati Reds1.5

4 Houston Astros1.8

5. New York Yankees1.8

6. Washington Nationals1.9

7. Chicago White Sox2

8. Baltimore Orioles2

9. New York Mets2.3

10. Los Angeles Dodgers2.4

http://online.wsj.co...4180269378.html

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The Hatred Index

Using an algorithm designed by Nielsen Co. that measures positive and negative reactions on the Internet, here are the 10 most despised teams in baseball (scale is -5 to 5).

Team Score

1. Cleveland Indians0.9

2. Boston Red Sox1.1

3. Cincinnati Reds1.5

4 Houston Astros1.8

5. New York Yankees1.8

6. Washington Nationals1.9

7. Chicago White Sox2

8. Baltimore Orioles2

9. New York Mets2.3

10. Los Angeles Dodgers2.4

http://online.wsj.co...4180269378.html

I think the Astros, Reds, Nationals and Orioles are all up there due to apathy rather than hatred. When was the last time you asked yourself, hey I wonder how the old Orioles are doing? I'll tell you when, probably never.

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The Hatred Index

Using an algorithm designed by Nielsen Co. that measures positive and negative reactions on the Internet, here are the 10 most despised teams in baseball (scale is -5 to 5).

Team Score

1. Cleveland Indians0.9

2. Boston Red Sox1.1

3. Cincinnati Reds1.5

4 Houston Astros1.8

5. New York Yankees1.8

6. Washington Nationals1.9

7. Chicago White Sox2

8. Baltimore Orioles2

9. New York Mets2.3

10. Los Angeles Dodgers2.4

http://online.wsj.co...4180269378.html

The only team I hate is the Cardinals.

I don't hate their fans though. Cards fans are generally pretty fun.

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I dislike Boston. Pretty much apathetic towards everyone else. Also, I agree with brijonmang's theory. But I'm not sure how you measure apathy when words are considered, besides, "don't care," "doesn't matter." I guess it was the lack of usage of the word, Astros.

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how can any one outside of houston hate the astros?

I mean, we give wins away, and we stock their teams with great players (how many astros have been to and won world series on other teams?).

people in houston shouldn't hate the astros, but the owner, as it isn't a players fault he sucks, and doesn't have any help from his team mates because they suck too.

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how can any one outside of houston hate the astros?

I mean, we give wins away, and we stock their teams with great players.

people in houston shouldn't hate the astros, but the owner, as it isn't a players fault he sucks, and doesn't have any help from his team mates because they suck too.

LOL

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