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They're also emphasizing the old River Oaks title just like Helfman did on his Kirby- Dodge/Jeep location.

Obviously these are both no where near R.O. . They could have done just as well to call themselves West U.,

or Southampton motors.

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1 hour ago, samagon said:

rumor is they were going to use Woodlands Porsche, but I think that already have one up there, ironically, it's called Porsche North Houston?

Porsche North Houston is right above Greenspoint. About 15 miles South of The Woodlands.

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That Helfman Dodge/Jeep dealership is in awful condition. It looks like most of the dealership is run out of abandoned warehouses. It's by far the ugliest dealership in Houston. Also, curious why dealerships like this one and Mercedes-Greenway haven't considered consolidating their spaces like Audi & Porsche 🤷‍♂️ would it not save them money?

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12 minutes ago, Amlaham said:

That Helfman Dodge/Jeep dealership is in awful condition. It looks like most of the dealership is run out of abandoned warehouses. It's by far the ugliest dealership in Houston. Also, curious why dealerships like this one and Mercedes-Greenway haven't considered consolidating their spaces like Audi & Porsche 🤷‍♂️ would it not save them money?

Sort of like a combination Pizza Hut & Taco Bell? 😂

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23 minutes ago, Amlaham said:

That Helfman Dodge/Jeep dealership is in awful condition. It looks like most of the dealership is run out of abandoned warehouses. It's by far the ugliest dealership in Houston. Also, curious why dealerships like this one and Mercedes-Greenway haven't considered consolidating their spaces like Audi & Porsche 🤷‍♂️ would it not save them money?

Chrysler hasn't shared common ownership with Daimler-Benz since 2007. They subsequently merged with Fiat and are now under a larger umbrella group of multiple auto manufacturers called Stellantis. Even when DaimlerChrysler was still a thing, I don't recall there ever being any consideration of combined Mercedes/Chrysler/Dodge dealerships. Such an arrangement would have benefited Chrysler more than Daimler-Benz, and although at the time it was billed as a merger of equals, it was pretty obvious that the Germans were in the driver's seat, so to speak.  

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Dealers are usually aligned along the lines of who owns the dealer/group.

see the Gillman group on SWfwy and BW8, Subaru, Chrysler/Ram/Dodge and Honda. none of those marques have any affiliation, but the Gillman family own the dealerships, so there it is. and if you go back more than 10 years, that Chrysler/Ram/Dodge was a Jeep which used to be a Mitsubishi.

I don't think Helfman owns the Greenway Mercedes?

depending on the relationship between brands maybe they can sell them in the same store, maybe they need to have separate stores on the same lot?

so as @mkultra25 mentioned, Chrysler and Mercedes never really saw the relationship in a way that would have 1 roof selling both brands, but if Helfman owns both, they could have a single mega lot with two buildings selling both and make a more efficient use of space.

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Wait wait, I think everyone is confused with my statement lol. I meant to say why hasn't the Mercedes Benz-Greenway dealership consolidated their space, and separately 😂 why hasn't Helfman consolidated their dealership. I made a map to show the comparison between the Mercedes Dealership (dark blue), Helfman Jeep (baby blue), and Porsche/ Audi are green. Porsche/ Audi's dealerships make more sense financially considering the larger the land the higher the property tax (yes I know this isn't always true, but I'm sure it is in this instance). 

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1 hour ago, Amlaham said:

Its actually a lot nicer than the renderings, which is a nice surprise! I like the fact that it also sits right across from another multi-story dealership.

I wish they would paint the concrete on the garage that is facing towards the freeway but other than that it’s a pretty decent addition. 

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On 2/12/2022 at 10:36 AM, jmitch94 said:

I wish they would paint the concrete on the garage that is facing towards the freeway but other than that it’s a pretty decent addition. 

Yeah, the garage portion is pretty disappointing (and another example of how eliminating parking requirements would not resolve the profusion of ugly parking garages).

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Found this...

https://tlimagazine.com/profiles/porsche-cars-north-america-inc/

"The company receives cars into four ports in the United States – located in Providence, R.I.; Brunswick, Ga.; Houston and San Diego – as well as a port in Halifax, Nova Scotia. From these ports, the operation ships cars to a network of 190 U.S.-based dealers and 15 dealers throughout Canada."

I knew Volkswagens were shipped to Houston, they used to deliver across the ship channel from were I worked at one time. Before that, Toyotas were shipped to Houston.

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16 hours ago, hindesky said:

I knew Volkswagens were shipped to Houston, they used to deliver across the ship channel from were I worked at one time. Before that, Toyotas were shipped to Houston.

Still do! You can see the lot off the 610 bridge. Blocks and blocks of assorted VW branded cars all factory wrapped in white still.

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22 hours ago, hindesky said:

Found this...

https://tlimagazine.com/profiles/porsche-cars-north-america-inc/

"The company receives cars into four ports in the United States – located in Providence, R.I.; Brunswick, Ga.; Houston and San Diego – as well as a port in Halifax, Nova Scotia. From these ports, the operation ships cars to a network of 190 U.S.-based dealers and 15 dealers throughout Canada."

I knew Volkswagens were shipped to Houston, they used to deliver across the ship channel from were I worked at one time. Before that, Toyotas were shipped to Houston.

Per this tracking, the last time this vessel came to Houston it stopped by Halifax and Davisville (near Providence RI) on the way here.

https://www.myshiptracking.com/vessels/felicity-ace-mmsi-371427000-imo-9293911

Dunno if it was meant to continue on to Houston this time.

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6 minutes ago, nate said:

Per this tracking, the last time this vessel came to Houston it stopped by Halifax and Davisville (near Providence RI) on the way here.

https://www.myshiptracking.com/vessels/felicity-ace-mmsi-371427000-imo-9293911

Dunno if it was meant to continue on to Houston this time.

Doesn't sound good for anybody who ordered one in Houston. Do all the dealers not keep stock on hand for immediate sales or are they all ordered then you wait for it to be shipped?

Last I heard the shipping company hired a tug to take the burning ship to the nearest port.

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14 minutes ago, hindesky said:

Do all the dealers not keep stock on hand for immediate sales or are they all ordered then you wait for it to be shipped?

You can buy from dealer stock or you can order - the proportion of stock vs order varies from make to make. 

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16 hours ago, hindesky said:

Do all the dealers not keep stock on hand for immediate sales or are they all ordered then you wait for it to be shipped?

The premium German auto manuf do both. They have a good inventory of stock vehicles for people that want a car. Now. And they have well-established build-to-order programs for that type buyer. My X3 was custom ordered. My wife's Cayenne was right off the lot.

And thanks to the pandemic, everything I just typed gets thrown out the window.

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On 1/21/2022 at 4:43 PM, Amlaham said:

Wait wait, I think everyone is confused with my statement lol. I meant to say why hasn't the Mercedes Benz-Greenway dealership consolidated their space, and separately 😂 why hasn't Helfman consolidated their dealership. I made a map to show the comparison between the Mercedes Dealership (dark blue), Helfman Jeep (baby blue), and Porsche/ Audi are green. Porsche/ Audi's dealerships make more sense financially considering the larger the land the higher the property tax (yes I know this isn't always true, but I'm sure it is in this instance). 

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Could be wrong about this, but I'm assuming Helfman is getting a pretty fantastic deal on the dirt (literally, if they haven't changed it since I went car shopping there a few years ago) that they are leasing under CenterPoint's utility easement. It might be nicer from a customer service standpoint to consolidate inventory into a garage, but I doubt land gets much cheaper than what they're using now.

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The great thing about that story is that nobody got seriously hurt, so I can just revel in pure, unadulterated schadenfreude. 

A ship full of luxury cars on fire in the middle of the ocean feels like the only good thing to happen in 2022 so far.

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On 2/19/2022 at 8:17 AM, astrohip said:

The premium German auto manuf do both. They have a good inventory of stock vehicles for people that want a car. Now. And they have well-established build-to-order programs for that type buyer. My X3 was custom ordered. My wife's Cayenne was right off the lot.

And thanks to the pandemic, everything I just typed gets thrown out the window.

definitely, during any 'normal' time, across all makes, models, etc, there's a 100 day inventory. aka, if a dealer can sell 50 cars in 100 days, they have 50 new cars on the lot at any given moment. that's average, so your Fords, GM, Toyota, they'll probably have like 125 days inventory, where Porsche may only have 75 days of inventory.

anyway, that was pre-pandemic. now (as of January), the average is 18 days. so if we use the same assumptive metric of 1 car every 2 days, now the average inventory is 9 new cars on the lot at any given time. and most of those probably already have a deposit for someone to buy.

all supply chains are wonky right now, predominantly this car shortage is caused by the chip shortage, which it'll take to the end of the year at least before this is starting to be corrected, but it's other supply chain issues. even getting a car that's already been built to the dealership is hard these days.

specific to Porsche, I have a friend that ordered a new one back in December, I think it was a 918, he was quoted September before delivery. certainly that is now pushed.

the short answer is, if you don't have to buy a car right now, don't.

on an aside, with oil (and gasoline as a result) going up because of this Russia/Ukraine thing, people who can't afford to put gas in their trucks and need to downsize to something more economical are going to be in a very tough position by summer.

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