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Take it from someone who has been involved in Criminal Justice for 18 years. The numbers of people in a prison bear no reliable resemblance to the population at large. They merely represent the people who were caught AND convicted, and could not obtain probation.

Besides, except for drunk drivers, alcohol abusers do not end up in prison at all for that crime.

As to the population at large, most studies show minorities abuse at lower rates than whites, except American Indians.

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Yes, statistics can be used any way you want them. But, how many of these purses have been sold, how many expensive watches. C'mon people, there have been over 100,000 debit cards given out. How much of a percentage of abuse do you think is going on?

Better yet, is it even abuse? You can't tell people how to spend their money, this is America the last I checked.

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Better yet, is it even abuse? You can't tell people how to spend their money, this is America the last I checked.

This is a disgustingly true statement. Technically the money is theirs to do with as they please. I guess one would just hope that it would be spent only on the necessities.

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...why are there more blacks in prison than whites (percentage-wise)?

Well, the best answer is that if I get pulled over in my modest four door car, not playing rap music, wearing clothes that are not exceptionally baggy - or that are emulative of the "thug/gangsta rap" nature, and speak politely to the police officer, then I'm 10 times LESS likely to get searched for my nickel bag of marijuana in my front pocket.

So if blacks would just act "white", everything would be OK, right? <_<

And assuming that your reasoning is correct, then it's obvious that we have a racist judicial system. You're equating a preference for certain types of music and clothing with crime...and this is supposed to be the "Land of the Free".

What if the tables were turned, and police were suspicious of white guys driving Reliant-K cars and listening to Rush Limbaugh? Would you change the station and start listening to some hip-hop?

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So if blacks would just act "white", everything would be OK, right?  <_<

And assuming that your reasoning is correct, then it's obvious that we have a racist judicial system.  You're equating a preference for certain types of music and clothing with crime...and this is supposed to be the "Land of the Free".

What if the tables were turned, and police were suspicious of white guys driving Reliant-K cars and listening to Rush Limbaugh?  Would you change the station and start listening to some hip-hop?

We do have a racist judicial system. I never denied that.

And yes, If driving a Honda Accord sedan while listening to Hush-Bimbo was the profile - damn straight I'd reset my pre-sets to 104.9. The last thing I want is to be hassled by the cops. So yes, I'll do whateve it takes to be left alone.

Oh, and I already listen to Hip-hop. I just don't emulate it in real life.

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Also, contrary to what you probably think Jeebus, I think the debit cards are the one shining moment for FEMA right now. It's the one thing they did right this time around. Although you take issue with the way an insignificant number of people are using them, at least this time FEMA is getting money into the hands of the people who need it. Do a google search, reports say that over 31 million FEMA dollars was sent to Miami-Dade county residents after Francis after NOAA stated the county didn't even get hurricaine force winds.

That's 31 million dollars worth of fraud, how much of that was done by African Americans. How many African Americans even live in Miami-Dade county?

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No no no no no no no no no no. I NEVER said anything about FEMA cards. I was speaking only of Red Cross cards.

But, since you bring it up, I would be even more outraged to see my tax dollars abused over things like $250.00 braclets, $800.00 coats, $40.00 worth of cigarettes, or any unsaid amount on alcohol. But I'm sure if it happened with the Red Cross cards, it will surely happen with the FEMA cards too.

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Jeebus. Are you implying you partake in the devil's weed? :o What happens when you run for president and the contents of this thread are reported on 60 minutes? :D

If I ever ran for anything, and I was asked - I'll be the first to admit to everything I've done. I can't understand why politicians would rather take the chance on their dirt never airing rather than squashing it up front.

And no, I don't currently partake in the mara-ja-wana. I get drug tested here at work randomly, so I'd rather have a paycheck, than a buzz.

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If I ever ran for anything, and I was asked - I'll be the first to admit to everything I've done. I can't understand why politicians would rather take the chance on their dirt never airing rather than squashing it up front.

And no, I don't currently partake in the mara-ja-wana. I get drug tested here at work randomly, so I'd rather have a paycheck, than a buzz.

Off subject a little bit. Here is a little rant on "random" testing. When I took a statistics class the professor used this as an example. "You randomly drug test a population. Given that this population DOES NOT use drugs at a rate of 95% and the test itself has a failure rate of 5% what percentage of tests would yield a false-postive? Answer: 50%. Of course re-testing drops the failure rate quite a bit. The prof had a bit of an agenda but he kept an otherwise boring course interesting.

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FWIW, there is a liquor store at the corner of Murworth and Main, right next to Timmy Chan's.

I think I'll go buy some lushes a drink today.

Kinda reminds me of watching the flood waters move into my town home during Allision. 

First thing I said to my wife was "where's the shot glass?  we are going to need it".

HAHAHA - that's EXACTLY what we did as well - sat on the steps and killed a bottle.

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This thread has turned into some funny ____. :lol:

Fact is though, the Red Cross and FEMA state that the funds should not be used on tobacco or alcohol. There are no other restrictions. To say that victims can only buy cut rate clothing would be to say they have to spend the money at WalMart. Maybe some of these victims have some taste. They should not be punished for having good taste, should they?

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QUOTE(Jeebus @ Wednesday, September 14th, 2005 @ 10:09am)

The difference is that you probably weren't chronically getting your "drink on" everyday prior to Katrina, as they most likely were.

Jeebus is an absolute master at sweeping statements.

B)

I'm criticized the same was the Jeebus is. So I guess that I'm also a master at sweeping statements.

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Ok this topic has just degenerated into spamming.

Getting back on track.

"That's 31 million dollars worth of fraud, how much of that was done by African Americans. How many African Americans even live in Miami-Dade county?"

As of the last census 457,214. That is a little over 20%. I think whites are around the same percentage.

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So a bunch of taxpayer money has been wasted on jewelry, expensive clothes, shoes, purses, Escalades etc, ? Our government does this on a much larger scale and we gripe so why not a little griping when we see it in our own city? In their defense, I suppose it is tempting to go crazy when you suddenly have a "large" quantity of money at one time when you're not used to it, especially if you didn't earn it.

Probably the ones used to hard work are the ones being careful with the money and the ones used to picking up a check from somewhere other than an employer are the ones wasting it. Easy come, easy go.

I just hope that, out of the 200,000 (a Houston City Councilperson's numbers as of yesterday) here in various hotels, shelters, apartments and houses from New Orleans, the vast majority are good, hard-working people. The fear that many will bring our city down in some ways is legitimate and I don't think anyone expressing such a fear should be attacked as being a racist. Realist is more accurate.

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I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Hey, I'm just in it for the money. Haven't you heard? Money buys happiness. Don't believe me? Just ask all those who are buying jewelry & luxury clothing with their Red Cross & FEMA debit cards.

..Hows that for keeping it on topic? ;)

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You know, if I had lost EVERYTHING, and had been evacuated from my home with no clear timeframe if and when I could ever return, was living in a crowded, noisy shelter with constant noise and distractions everywhere, no privacy, didn't know STILL where some of my family members were, was a little frustrated because I couldn't get any money from my local bank account, was tired of dealing with insurance agents and other government types, wearing used, ill-fitting clothing, eating food I wasn't used to, and someone gave me $2000.00, I MIGHT think going over to a local liquor store to buy some hooch was a good way to mellow out for a while, and hopefully the residents of the community where I was staying, would be sympathetic and compassionate enough to understand this desire. No, it's not a basic need, and maybe it's not right that I spend my government's money this way, but at the time, it might seem like a good idea.

Nah, these guys weren't from a shelter...they were doing ok for themselves, that's for sure.

Not everyone from NOLA is living in a shelter, you know.

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I think worst thing is that there are some here that want to defend those who have been caught abusing charity. I'm guessing this because one of two reasons:

1. They think that themselves would be guilty of committing the same abuse if in a similar situation.

2. They are so forgiving that they can include charity abuse in their scope of forgivable actions.

Either way, could either of these two answers be considered viable excuses for those who are okay with charity abuse behavior?

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Nah, these guys weren't from a shelter...they were doing ok for themselves, that's for sure.

Not everyone from NOLA is living in a shelter, you know.

Oh really? Where were "these guys" from? Just curious since so many statements like that come from ill-informed posters who don't have a clue what they are talking about.

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I think worst thing is that there are some here that want to defend those who have been caught abusing charity. I'm guessing this because one of two reasons:

1. They think that themselves would be guilty of committing the same abuse if in a similar situation.

2. They are so forgiving that they can include charity abuse in their scope of forgivable actions.

Either way, could either of these two answers be considered viable excuses for those who are okay with charity abuse behavior?

"I'm guessing"? well...there's another baseless conclusion.

B)

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My brother lives in the Galleria area and he said he saw some people buying $500 purses with the Debit card at the Galleria. I started reading this post and then kinda skipped/skimmed the whole population something or rather chart...(sorry early here) but one lady at the shelter was mad money was used in this manner as well. But I say if they go broke over buying luxery vs. necessaities that is not our fault. They had a choice what to do with this card and they decided to spend it in that manner. So when they have no rent money they DO have a beautiful watch or purse to show off. So when someone asked, "Where'd you get it?" they can probably say, "I lost my entire life in a hurricane but I got this beautiful bracelet"

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"I'm guessing"? well...there's another baseless conclusion.

B)

You're right. It is a baseless conclusion. I just made those two reasons up. They have no logical base from which they were concieved. :rolleyes: Can you provide a logical alternative since my two reasons a completely baseless in your opinion?

Please.. Enlighten us all.

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But I say if they go broke over buying luxery vs. necessaities that is not our fault. They had a choice what to do with this card and they decided to spend it in that manner. So when they have no rent money they DO have a beautiful watch or purse to show off. So when someone asked, "Where'd you get it?" they can probably say, "I lost my entire life in a hurricane but I got this beautiful bracelet"

true enough, they'll be pawning that stuff really soon if that is all that's left of their little piece of plastic...although i am sure some who sees this would rather the money go to someone who would buy something they needed...

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This has never been a case of defending extravagant or unauthorized purchases with aid money. A percentage of every group will always do that, just as a percentage of businessmen will always find a way to rip off the consumer or government, rather than earn an honest living. Most of the posts in "defense" of this practice have sought to clarify that this is a small group, not "most" or "all", as some posts have carelessly implied or stated.

Additionally, many have also pointed out that there are accomplises in this matter, namely, the businesses that sell the unapproved goods.

Finally, there is the issue of how to stop the unapproved purchases without causing more delay and red tape to those who desparately need this aid. I don't think anyone has answered that question. Even FEMA stopped the debit card distribution because it took more employees to distribute the cards than the old way of direct deposit or checks.

I am curious to see if the outrage over handbag purchases will continue when the real theft begins...big companies grabbing multimillion dollar contracts for reconstruction that use fancy accounting to effectively "steal" the money, similar to Halliburton's unaccounted billions in overcharges to the US government. For economies of scale, this type of theft hurts the taxpayer far more than a handbag or a carton of smokes.

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I am curious to see if the outrage over handbag purchases will continue when the real theft begins...big companies grabbing multimillion dollar contracts for reconstruction that use fancy accounting to effectively "steal" the money, similar to Halliburton's unaccounted billions in overcharges to the US government.  For economies of scale, this type of theft hurts the taxpayer far more than a handbag or a carton of smokes.

I agree, but I'm still feel that there are people making excuses for these few and I find it frustrating. I'll give a very glorified example:

Celine Dion Crying .WMV

Note the part about her wanting us to not care about those who are stealing. Is this acceptable?

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Whoa, Jeebus! If you want me to comment on this issue, you'll have to give me a quote from someone whose opinion matters, like maybe yours.

What Celine Dion, Toby Keith, Kanye West, The Dixie Chicks, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins and Charlton Heston care about anything that happens in the world, mean nothing to me, as they are the bablings of those who are detached from reality.

Besides, Celine Dion's music sucks. B)

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You're right. It is a baseless conclusion. I just made those two reasons up. They have no logical base from which they were concieved. :rolleyes: Can you provide a logical alternative since my two reasons a completely baseless in your opinion?

Please.. Enlighten us all.

"Can you provide a logical alternative since my two reasons a completely baseless in your opinion?"

Yes.

"Please.. Enlighten us all."

No.

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