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being the field with the deepest center was an interesting feature. the hill made the park unique. Now it's going to be a little less special.

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Well Tal's Hill will live to see another day. because they're running scared they won't have the ballpark ready in time for the 2016 season. Just as things were picking up and getting interesting ...

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1 hour ago, HannahX said:

Well Tal's Hill will live to see another day. because they're running scared they won't have the ballpark ready in time for the 2016 season. Just as things were picking up and getting interesting ...

 

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Change is a good thing. And the center field distance change doesn't bother me.....it was for bragging rights only. I don't know about you guys but I can't see a 19 foot difference from any vantage point in the park.

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On 10/19/2016 at 2:44 PM, HannahX said:

Well Tal's Hill will live to see another day. because they're running scared they won't have the ballpark ready in time for the 2016 season. Just as things were picking up and getting interesting ...

 

not sure I am following, it looks like they've already got going pretty solid on the demo work. if they don't think they can complete by next year, why not just do all the work they can in the off season, then put a temp fence in, and then start again next off season?

 

I mean, if they won't be able to complete anything this off season, how will they be able to complete anything during any off season?

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45 minutes ago, samagon said:

 

not sure I am following, it looks like they've already got going pretty solid on the demo work. if they don't think they can complete by next year, why not just do all the work they can in the off season, then put a temp fence in, and then start again next off season?

 

I mean, if they won't be able to complete anything this off season, how will they be able to complete anything during any off season?

 

They should at least be able to complete the field portion, then put up a temporary wall while they complete the rest. At least you would think. 

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3 hours ago, samagon said:

 

not sure I am following, it looks like they've already got going pretty solid on the demo work. if they don't think they can complete by next year, why not just do all the work they can in the off season, then put a temp fence in, and then start again next off season?

 

I mean, if they won't be able to complete anything this off season, how will they be able to complete anything during any off season?

 

Also next year will be the 2017 season unless we all very unfortunate and have to do 2016 again.

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I've been hoping for years that they would put a power washer to the roof... it used to be bright white now it just makes they stadium look older

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6 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

Jim Crane has a park in mind across from Minute Maid Park in downtown and building premium parking:

 

 

 

Reminder that Crane owns 2 buildings on Texas south of Home Plate (probably the bars on block 161. With Nau Center for Heritage dead, could this be the spot? 

 

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With that kind of optimism for the neighborhood surrounding the baseball stadium, Crane has been securing properties to insure that the quality of development remains high. He already owns the two old buildings on Texas, "south of home plate," as he describes it, properties for later development.

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You'd have to think the South Texas Intermediate halfway house on Crawford and Preston is something he wants gone, and it would be an ideal location for a park, as suddenly then all those blocks around it become hot spots for redevelopment.

 

Back when the ballpark was first developed, Drayton Maclane tried to get the city to sell him the defunct World Trade Center building, which he was going to demolish and turn into a park. The city opted not to, then later it became Fertitta's Inn at the Ballpark and now the Westin. So the park idea is something they've wanted for awhile. Not exactly sure what the need is since they have Halliburton Plaza for statues and whatnot, but it would spur development around it.

 

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23 hours ago, H-Town Man said:

You'd have to think the South Texas Intermediate halfway house on Crawford and Preston is something he wants gone, and it would be an ideal location for a park, as suddenly then all those blocks around it become hot spots for redevelopment.

 

Back when the ballpark was first developed, Drayton Maclane tried to get the city to sell him the defunct World Trade Center building, which he was going to demolish and turn into a park. The city opted not to, then later it became Fertitta's Inn at the Ballpark and now the Westin. So the park idea is something they've wanted for awhile. Not exactly sure what the need is since they have Halliburton Plaza for statues and whatnot, but it would spur development around it.

 

 

That's kinda sorta close to correct.  Except as follows:

I'm pretty sure the South Texas Intermediate Sanction Facility has already closed/been slated for closure.

The City never owned the World Trade Center Building; it was owned by the Port of Houston Authority.

It was not Drayton McClane pushing to turn it into a park; it was the Sports Authority. (They proposed leasing the land from the Port Authority for roughly nothing/year; instead the Port Authority sold it to Hakeem Olajuwon who in turn sold it to Landry's/Tilman Fertita.

 

You pretty much answered your own question about the need; it would spur development. (And note that it's not just Crane's perceived needs; he's working with the city on this project.)

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2 hours ago, Houston19514 said:

 

That's kinda sorta close to correct.  Except as follows:

I'm pretty sure the South Texas Intermediate Sanction Facility has already closed/been slated for closure.

The City never owned the World Trade Center Building; it was owned by the Port of Houston Authority.

It was not Drayton McClane pushing to turn it into a park; it was the Sports Authority. (They proposed leasing the land from the Port Authority for roughly nothing/year; instead the Port Authority sold it to Hakeem Olajuwon who in turn sold it to Landry's/Tilman Fertita.

 

You pretty much answered your own question about the need; it would spur development. (And note that it's not just Crane's perceived needs; he's working with the city on this project.)

 

Is Crane's interest in a park to spur development? That seems to be more why the city or the management district might want a park, not Crane. He probably likes to see a neighborhood grow up around his ballpark, but I can't imagine he would spend the $10 million or whatever a block of land there would cost just to spur development for surrounding landowners to capitalize on, unless he already owns a lot of those blocks.

 

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On 11/10/2017 at 1:51 PM, H-Town Man said:

 

Is Crane's interest in a park to spur development? That seems to be more why the city or the management district might want a park, not Crane. He probably likes to see a neighborhood grow up around his ballpark, but I can't imagine he would spend the $10 million or whatever a block of land there would cost just to spur development for surrounding landowners to capitalize on, unless he already owns a lot of those blocks.

 

 

I believe Crane’s end game is similar to the deal the Rockies just got. As part of a deal to extend their Coors Field lease for 30 years, they’ll get to develop a block across the street with a team HOF, restaurant, retail, entertainment & residential components. It’s similar to what the Cardinals have done with Ballpark Village, the Braves with The Battery, and what the Rangers will be doing with Texas Live. 

 

Note: The Rockies will be doing this all on one city block, which is similar in size to block 161 that Crane has here. 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, tigereye said:

 

I believe Crane’s end game is similar to the deal the Rockies just got. As part of a deal to extend their Coors Field lease for 30 years, they’ll get to develop a block across the street with a team HOF, restaurant, retail, entertainment & residential components. It’s similar to what the Cardinals have done with Ballpark Village, the Braves with The Battery, and what the Rangers will be doing with Texas Live. 

 

Note: The Rockies will be doing this all on one city block, which is similar in size to block 161 that Crane has here. 

 

 

 

Very interesting. So what do you mean by "get to develop"? Do they want a tax abatement? Something else?

 

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On 12/11/2017 at 8:00 PM, tigereye said:

 

I believe Crane’s end game is similar to the deal the Rockies just got. As part of a deal to extend their Coors Field lease for 30 years, they’ll get to develop a block across the street with a team HOF, restaurant, retail, entertainment & residential components. It’s similar to what the Cardinals have done with Ballpark Village, the Braves with The Battery, and what the Rangers will be doing with Texas Live. 

 

 

The Rockies have a team HOF and need a new building for it? They've only been around for 15 years. 

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The Minute Maid signage on the southeast clock tower are being taken down for renovation I assume.

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On 11/4/2017 at 4:24 AM, CrockpotandGravel said:

Jim Crane has a park in mind across from Minute Maid Park in downtown and building premium parking:

 

 

 

No surprise but here’s the expansion of the diamond lot (after demolition of New Hope).

 

 

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I know they're building a new affordable housing building elsewhere, but there's just something that feels bad about demolishing affordable housing to make a parking lot for people who can afford  diamond club tickets

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23 hours ago, cspwal said:

I know they're building a new affordable housing building elsewhere, but there's just something that feels bad about demolishing affordable housing to make a parking lot for people who can afford  diamond club tickets

 

Money talks. If poor people want to live on that lot then they need to get rich.

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On 2/8/2018 at 9:25 AM, cspwal said:

I know they're building a new affordable housing building elsewhere, but there's just something that feels bad about demolishing affordable housing to make a parking lot for people who can afford  diamond club tickets

 

Unlike SEARCH, which may be forced out of its new home because the 45 reroute, New Hope didn’t get a bad deal. 

 

The Astros helped New Hope raise the funds needed for the new building, which is much bigger and probably will provide better hospitality services. In turn, New Hope sold the current property to the Astros. I’d say everyone is a winner here. 

 

The real point to bicker about is SEARCH and he rest of the businesses that will be displaced or impacted by a decade-long Highway widening project. I still think an above ground/below ground highway (59 below grade, local streets pass through at grade, 45 above grade) would’ve been better for everyone. 

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But then they wouldn't be able to sell it with the park cap that will never happen

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On 1/8/2018 at 10:40 PM, nate4l1f3 said:

I'm gonna keep banging the "clean the damn roof" drum.

 

The fact that they can't give MMP a nice clean coat of bold green is pretty depressing.

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1 hour ago, mattyt36 said:

 

The fact that they can't give MMP a nice clean coat of bold green is pretty depressing.

I thought it was always that washed out green industrial look

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On 2/10/2018 at 2:35 PM, j_cuevas713 said:

I thought it was always that washed out green industrial look

 

Time to go bold green, like the leaves on a (Minute Maid) orange tree.

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