dbigtex56 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 So much attention has been paid to New Orleans that these other communities seem to have been overlooked, even though they suffered as much or greater damage.I'm not very familiar with the area, but remember having seen Jefferson Davis's beautiful house outside of Biloxi. I wonder if it survived Katrina.Does anyone have pictures of these communities taken prior to the hurricane?edit: Here's a link to the website for Beauvoir, Jefferson Davis's house. Click on Virtual Tour for pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetlemania Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 So much attention has been paid to New Orleans that these other communities seem to have been overlooked, even though they suffered as much or greater damage.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes, they suffered greater damage from the direct hit of the hurricane itself, but New Orleans is now flooding because of the levee failures.The man on the Weather Channel said that Gulfport and Biloxi suffered damage near total destruction in all areas south of I-10. This includes the downtown areas of both cities, as well as the multitude of casinos lining the beach. The governor of Mississippi described it as "our Hiroshima". Evidently there is also extensive damage in much of the state between I-10 and I-20 (mid-state) and nearly 100% of the state is without power. So, they're saying this may be the most costly and extensive natural disaster in our nation's history. It's heartbreaking, and I'm most concerned with New Orleans now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 Well I answered my own question.From the Clarion-Ledger:Landmarks like Beavoir, the final home of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, are virtually demolished. The Davis home, built in 1854, has been reduced to rubble and a frame of a house.More recent landmarks like the President Casino also sustained heavy damage. The storm's surge moved the casino from the gulf across U.S. 90, crushing a Holiday Inn.More disturbing, the Hurricane opened the mausoleum at Southern Memorial Park, dumping caskets out onto the lawn.Link to full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I heard an analysis today for the Gulfport/Biloxi situation that went something like this:Imagine the shoreline being moved 40 miles inland. That's what happened.I don't know how true that is, but some of the pictures seem to support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouCityGirl Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 People are also forgetting Alabama was also hit hard. (I know the focus on was on MS and LA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 The one good think about the Mississippi and Alabama damages can be reviewed and begin clean up now.New Orleans still has get ride of the water before any clean up.Either situation is heartbreadking. The damage to Gulfport and Biloxi are immense. These two town were beautiful seaside communties where everything was going good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banking214 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 You look at the reports televised on the news and you wonder, where do you start? It just seems so overwhelming. Everything is gone. Do you just build a new city or move it? I can't imagine anyone would consider wanting to be so close to the water again. I personally think the goverment should limit the amount of construction on or near the water. I also wonder about the floating casinos. Will Mississippi allow land based casinos after seeing the destruction they did as they came ashore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I doubt it. The casinos knew the risks they were taking and the profit return is all too worth it not to rebuild. Gulfport-Biloxi was hit by Camille and the cities rebuilt themselves anyway after that.If you notice, many of the large population centers in the US are built in natural disaster proned areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banking214 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I doubt it. The casinos knew the risks they were taking and the profit return is all too worth it not to rebuild. Gulfport-Biloxi was hit by Camille and the cities rebuilt themselves anyway after that.If you notice, many of the large population centers in the US are built in natural disaster proned areas.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>The will rebuild the towns and they will be as strong as ever. I just hope they build a better and higher seawall. Maybe consider creating parkland right behind the walls and then highways past that. Something to act as a buffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 The US in general is a natural disaster prone area!Im confident (cant really afford to be anything else) that Mississippi and Alabama will be "re-built" and things will eventually return to normal - hopefully greater emphasis will be placed on building solid structures - although a "floating" cassino isnt exactly the soundest of buildings. Perhaps - Gulfport and Biloxi will build "protective" rock pilings out from shore - like Corpus Christi has. Not sure if those would protect the city or not - but somethings better than nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I wonder if the rock jetties would only serve to prevent erosion, and not so much protect against a cataclysmic storm. It might also give a weaker hurricane something to smash a casino boat against.I think the casino boats should have been moved out of the way. They had plenty of time to get out or at least be moved inland up a river. I remember watching TV reports as the storm was coming ashore that the casinos didn't shut down until after it started raining. The money they made in those last few hours probably isn't enough to replace the whole boat. I think they've learned their lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssullivan Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 A lot of the casinos in Gulport and Biloxi weren't really boats -- they were huge buildings built on top of stationary barges. Moving them would have required having a series of tugboats to get the casinos moved, and who knows it if would have worked. Those barges and casinos weren't really built to be moved. You also have to weigh whether the time and manpower required to move those things would be worth it, because it would require that people stay in the area to mvoe the casinos and try to save them rather than evacuate and save themselves. Also, some of those places were so large that even if they could be moved, they couldn't just be moved up any river. There's not really a river out of harm's way that would be anywhere close to being large enough to accomodate those facilities in the area.It's not like the casinos weren't insured anyway. Those facilities were owned by major corporations who knew the risk of their investment on the Gulf Coast. You can be assured they have adequate insurance to cover their loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I wonder if the rock jetties would only serve to prevent erosion, and not so much protect against a cataclysmic storm. It might also give a weaker hurricane something to smash a casino boat against.Possibly - but dont storm surges move inland? It was just a thought - perhaps a more organized series of man-made marinas - ie Marina Del Rey in Calif. (only one comes to mind) - that is for the beach front development. They can be designed to accomodate several casinos - leaving more room on the beach itself for well the beach. Which is after all the only true protection against storms - the beaches and wetlands that are just inland from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Those barges and casinos weren't really built to be moved. I remember that from the Shreveport casinos -- they were just built in what is essentially a rock bathtub in the river. Floating: yes. Mobile: no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Prior to Katrina's landfall, several news channels pointed out that many of the Biloxi casinos were designed to withstand 150 mph storms. Looking at them now, you'd be hard pressed to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche_757 Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 So they could withstand the winds. What about the storm surge? Its a wild guess but Id bet thats what did most of the damage to them - and it is certainly what picked them up and carried them inland. Its going to take some architectural and engineering expertise to rethink how coastal structures are designed to weather the storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegNMoll's Mom Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 I have a few pictures of the beachline in Gulfport / Biloxi from late January when I was lucky enough to have visited the area for what appears to be the last time for some time. Gulfport & Biloxi were actually my favorite beach destinations. Hotels were affordable and the beaches were very easily axcessable - much of the affordable hotels just across the street. The beaches were "vacant" except for the casinos so there was plenty of beach for everyone. The homes were absolutely beautiful. Gulfport and Biloxi were true Southern towns and I have been greatly affected by the loss, but I don't even begin to believe I can understand the loss of the individuals blessed enough to live there. As for the comments about the government not allowing rebuilding to occur due to their location. As others have stated, if we allowed the government to forbid building due to potential weather losses, we would have no living up and down the East Coast as well as the Gulf Coast. Building would be forbidden throughout California due to earthquake potential and then of course, the fires. Building would be forbidden in the Northwest due to the excessive rains and potential landslides. Building would be forbidden in the North and Northeast due to loss of life and business affected by blizzards. And let's not forget the Midwest and the annual threats of tornadoes. Risk enters our life from the day we're born and all we can do is to make the best choices possible for our individual lives. In the meantime, my prayers are with the people of Gulfport, Biloxi and the rest of the Mississippi and Alabama Gulf Coast as well as the many displaced in New Orleans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominax Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Mississippi As all the years of work people spent building the casinoes and homes. Now gone within those 2 days when this bigg hurricane hit. AS IN Now that the casinos has been abandoned will there be a case of rebuilding the casinos also as they build the homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartwell Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Well I answered my own question.From the Clarion-Ledger:Landmarks like Beavoir, the final home of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, are virtually demolished. The Davis home, built in 1854, has been reduced to rubble and a frame of a house.More recent landmarks like the President Casino also sustained heavy damage. The storm's surge moved the casino from the gulf across U.S. 90, crushing a Holiday Inn.More disturbing, the Hurricane opened the mausoleum at Southern Memorial Park, dumping caskets out onto the lawn.Link to full articleWell I answered my own question.From the Clarion-Ledger:Landmarks like Beavoir, the final home of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, are virtually demolished. The Davis home, built in 1854, has been reduced to rubble and a frame of a house.More recent landmarks like the President Casino also sustained heavy damage. The storm's surge moved the casino from the gulf across U.S. 90, crushing a Holiday Inn.More disturbing, the Hurricane opened the mausoleum at Southern Memorial Park, dumping caskets out onto the lawn.Link to full articleI too was wondering about the "Jefferson Davis" home and how it made out?. Sorry to find out it is gone,after surviving Betsy and Camille!. I would pass it all the time on my trips back and forth betweenOcean Springs and New Orleans back in 1968. Ron Hoover Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 The home is fine. Very minimal damage.The library out back took some damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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