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Have any of yall herd what rapper Kanye West said about Bush, something about "President Bush don't care about black people" and "When people see on the news black people are looting and white people are getting food". I personaly think he needs to shut his fu**ing mouth up. I know Bush isn't the best President we've had but I hate it when people blame politics (presidents) without knowing how the system works. People think Bush has a little magic wann and he can make things happend with it. I also know the whole Katrina situation wasn't handle like it should have been and if I was a politician I would have done everything in my power to get all those people out of there.....

Well as for Kanye West he's an IDIOT insted of him spending millions in stupid ____ he should help those people, in other words he should put his money where his mouth is.

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I was dismayed (but not surprised) when I heard Kanye West's comments. I was surprised, however, when I heard the comments from the Mayor Nagin of New Orleans. I would have thought he would have been able to keep his cool a little better than that under pressure, but this entire disaster has brought out such strong emotions. Some bad (and unhelpful ones), like Kanye and Mayor Nagin, (and Jesse Jackson...), but it's also brought out some extraordinarily good emotions like the outpouring of support from all the volunteer at the shelters being set up for these evacuees. I think Houston has emerged as a real shining star throughout this crisis and I'm very proud to call it my home, and I hope that the people displaced by Katrina can feel comfortable here during their stay.

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I don't think that Kanye West said anything very profound because race is obviously a key factor, which is being talked about amongst many. The slow response the government showed was completely unacceptable. I saw on the news where a black man was held at gunpoint because he had been trying to get some clothing from one of the stores. When referring to blacks, yes the media is quick to portray it as looting and when whites do it, it's looking. What would anybody, including the media do in a situation like this when they're stripped for all they had? Nobody can tell me that they wouldn't do what they had to do to survive.

I'm sorry to be the one to say it but some of you on this board try to avoid the race issue like its not still a problem that exists in America. It's funny how threads get closed when the race issue is brought up because it's painfully obvious.

After we bomb a foreign country, we're quick to drop food and respond . The U.S. is so quick to try to help out the poverty in foreign countries. We have people in need in our own country and those people are ignored. It's all about POWER. Why did they stop with the rescue mission in Louisisanna? They say they're getting some troops to come back from Iraq. In the mean time, people are still starving, drowning, dying. Policemen are quitting the force! The government is wrong because there isn't a second to waiste.

Not a single one of you mentioned the fact that Kanye West did acknowledge the Red Cross for doing everything possible to help. I think there was validity into some of what Kanye West said. Maybe if i were white, i'd probably try to forget about the issue too. Some of you who criticize Kanye West, need to shut YOUR fu**ing mouths and quit trying to pretend that race is not an issue.

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You guys know if it was George Bushes mother, or cousins or somebody like that he would have had those people in there ASAP! But it wasn't so he played around touring the area while laughing, joking, and taking pictures with people.

If I where president I would have been out there helping rescue people to make sure people know that I care.

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Race is an easy and convenient way for many people to explain what happened in New Orleans. In difficult situations the easiest answer is rarely the correct one.

It's amazing to me that there are people who actually think the president sits in his chair and says to himself, "Look at all those people dying. At least they're black people. So there's no rush. We'll just watch them twitch a little longer." That just shows that your mind has been polluted by Hollywood and programmed by the Democratic party. Try to find some free will.

I laugh to myself every time I see some member of congress complaining about the "Federal Government's" lack of response or planning. Umm... you ARE the federal government. Congress has known about this possibility for decades.

There's lots of blame to go around here, and I think it should be assigned in this order:

1. People who could have left but didn't because they were too arrogant.

2. The Mayor of New Orleans who on August 27th publically predicted the flood walls would collapse, then did nothing to help the poor/disabled/elderly evacuate, but managed to get his butt to Baton Rouge.

3. The governor of Louisiana who started this whole thing off looking like a deer in the headlights and never got any better.

4. The Louisiana congressional delegation which spent billions of our tax dollars on pork projects while things that could have saved people's lives took a back seat.

It should be noted that Mississippi is doing comparatively well compared to Louisiana. This is in part because they didn't have the massive flooding, but mostly because they have a governor who showed some leadership. Mississippi took a harder hit from the storm than Louisiana because of its path, and within hours Mississippi National Guard units were rebuilding roads and bridges.

While the mayor of New Orleans was playing the race card, people in Mississippi were rolling truckloads of food and water to the disaster zone.

To borrow a line from Cool Hand Luke:

What we have here is... a failure of leadership.

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One good thing to come out of all this (hopefully!) will be that our own coastal towns like Galveston will beef up their own evacuation plans, remembering how poorly executed they were in NOLA. One big flaw in the whole plan that has become painfully obvious is that the poor, those without transportation or money, the elderly and infirm, and their children and pets were apparently not included in the evacuation plans, because a lot of these people got left behind. I hope Galveston is taking steps now to prevent that same situation from happening there.

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Race is an easy and convenient way for many people to explain what happened in New Orleans.  In difficult situations the easiest answer is rarely the correct one.

It's amazing to me that there are people who actually think the president sits in his chair and says to himself, "Look at all those people dying.  At least they're black people.  So there's no rush.  We'll just watch them twitch a little longer."  That just shows that your mind has been polluted by Hollywood and programmed by the Democratic party.  Try to find some free will.

I laugh to myself every time I see some member of congress complaining about the "Federal Government's" lack of response or planning.  Umm... you ARE the federal government.  Congress has known about this possibility for decades. 

There's lots of blame to go around here, and I think it should be assigned in this order:

1. People who could have left but didn't because they were too arrogant.

2. The Mayor of New Orleans who on August 27th publically predicted the flood walls would collapse, then did nothing to help the poor/disabled/elderly evacuate, but managed to get his butt to Baton Rouge.

3. The governor of Louisiana who started this whole thing off looking like a deer in the headlights and never got any better.

4. The Louisiana congressional delegation which spent billions of our tax dollars on pork projects while things that could have saved people's lives took a back seat.

It should be noted that Mississippi is doing comparatively well compared to Louisiana.  This is in part because they didn't have the massive flooding, but mostly because they have a governor who showed some leadership.  Mississippi took a harder hit from the storm than Louisiana because of its path, and within hours Mississippi National Guard units were rebuilding roads and bridges.

While the mayor of New Orleans was playing the race card, people in Mississippi were rolling truckloads of food and water to the disaster zone.

To borrow a line from Cool Hand Luke:

What we have here is...  a failure of leadership.

To leave the federal government's woefully inadequate response off of your impressively numbered list of people to blame, suggests either a blind allegiance to the president, or a concession that Americans should not expect much from this federal government. Thankfully, you are in a very small minority. Even the announcers at the Fox News Channel, hardly known for being antagonistic to the Bush administration, were skeptical, with Chris Wallace deriding Michael Chertoff's admission that he was unaware of thousands of victims at the convention center until Thursday.

We expect more from our government, and eventually we will get it. If it means voting every single one of them out, they can't say they weren't warned.

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I believe the governor of Louisiana declared a state of emergency and asked for help from the federal government days before the storm. But of course Rove is trying to make her into the bad guy even though she did all that she could and was supposed to do. The federal government did not get involved until disaster was imminent. Mississippi did better because they did not have to move 2+ million people out of harms way. Gulfport and New Orleans are no comparison. It should never have been left to the state to do it alone for so long.

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To leave the federal government's woefully inadequate response off of your impressively numbered list of people to blame, suggests either a blind allegiance to the president, or a concession that Americans should not expect much from this federal government. 

Actually, what it suggests is that I had to get ready and go out the door.

I believe the feds should accept some of the blame, especially FEMA. But not for what they're being criticized for my most people.

I think FEMA should have three massive warehouse complexes -- one in the east, one in the midwest, and one in the west -- that are stuffed with rescue supplies, non-perishable foods and water.

I don't know a lot about FEMA, but my impression over the years is that it talks a lot about planning for disasters and does what it can to help communities and cities and states plan for disaster, but does little disaster planning of its own. Maybe that's its mandate -- to help communities help themselves. I don't know.

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Editor:

On your list of 4 things to blame why did you leave off the Federal Government? Just curious. As far as Bush goes, he performed in true form. 9.11: He flys west from Florida- not north to Washington. Katrina: He flys west from Crawford to attend a fund-raiser in San Diego-not east to breaking levees and drowning people in NO. His FEMA Director's last job was as the head of the American Arabian Horse Association. Incompetence from the top down-and often rewarded.

Here's a great quote from Bob Herbert in today's NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/opinion/05herbert.html

Like a boy being prepped for a second crack at a failed exam, Mr. Bush has been meeting with his handlers to see what steps can be taken to minimize the political fallout from this latest demonstration of his ineptitude. But this is not about politics. It's about competence. And when the president is so obviously clueless about matters so obviously important, it means that the rest of us, like the people left stranded in New Orleans, are in deep, deep trouble.

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Actually, what it suggests is that I had to get ready and go out the door.

I'll take that response. :P

You are right in some respects about FEMA. Others are correct about mobilizing National Guard troops. What many others are saying however, is that this type of response is inadequate. There should be warehouses, as you suggested, where all of these immediately critical supplies are warehoused. It does not make sense for each locality to warehouse their own supplies. It would be wasteful and expensive.

There also needs to be a plan for either mobilizing troops ahead of the storm or bringing active duty troops in. FEMA tells states and cities not to expect them until 72 to 96 hours after the event. As we are seeing, this is causing literally hundreds to thousands of casualties. There needs to be troops on the ground immediately to keep the peace, distribute food and water, and effect rescues.

Communications in a disaster are paramount. Even today, the different agencies cannot talk on each other's frequencies. It is absurd that, in 2005, this issue has not been addressed by anyone.

I do not think this is a racial issue. I think this is an issue of low priorities. Since 2001, FEMA has concentrated on terrorist planning and events overseas. Given the number of natural disasters we experience, this is poor prioritizing. This is also an issue of selfishness. The US used to take care of its own. Now, it is more of an "every man for himself" mentality. This callous disregard for our fellow citizens will cost us dearly in the long run.

I have no answers for how to change this mentality. Maybe Katrina will do it.

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It's easy for everyone to say "let's mobilize the troops or FEMA" to a staging point ahead of time, but I feel that would be rather impractical.

1) The weather forecasters have a hard enough time predicting where the storm will go. Where will you be moving the troops to, if you don't even know where the storm is going?

2) If the storm takes a jog, you could actually be "mobilizing" a bunch of people and supplies right into the path of the storm.

3) How many troops do you move? How often?

4) Do you mobilize for every storm that targets the mainland? Should the authorities have mobilized troops for Katrina's first landfall in Florida? Where's the cutoff point to mobilize or not to mobilize.

For these reasions, I feel the current system is better . . . NOT the best . . . but better than mobilizing ahead of the storm.

Local authorities are already on site, so are the state authorities. Lets say that a storm was targeting Texas, do we mobilize for Port Arthur, Galveston, Corpus, or Brownsville? Wait a second . . . we already have resources on hand at each of those locations . . . the LOCAL authorities. If the local authorities are overwhelmed, then it's up to the state to step in and help, if the state is overwhelmed, then it's up to the feds to step in and help. I believe this is what happened in NOLA.

I'm not sure that I'm making my case correctly . . . like Editor, I gotta run.

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If the local authorities are overwhelmed, then it's up to the state to step in and help, if the state is overwhelmed, then it's up to the feds to step in and help.

then it's up to the feds to step in and help

and help

"Help is the key word there. Everyone seems to assume the Feds are supposed to do it all. But their job is to help.
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Poor Bush, he's dammed if he does & dammed if he doesn't!

He was critisized for not visiting the affected areas soon enough, and when he does show up, his critics call it a "photo-op" and critisize him once again.

i believe that is called the "too little too late" syndrome... :mellow:

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"Help is the key word there. Everyone seems to assume the Feds are supposed to do it all. But their job is to help.

Apparently they weren't really doing that at all. I don't know if anyone else watched Meet the Press yesterday, but the president of Jefferson Parish talked about how FEMA refused trucks of water from Wal-Mart, tankers of fuel, and cut the communication lines of local authorities who were trying to help in the crisis. For some reason, it is allright to slam these local agencies.

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There sure is a lot of finger pointing going on surrounding who is a fault for the Katrina disaster.

Just to point out a few things that haven't been mentioned - at least not that I read, so sorry if I'm repeating someone else.

1. Everyone is acting like there should have been some massive Federal relief on the ground in NOLA the day Katrina hit and cleared NOLA. But, have we already forgotten that it was all over the news for the first 24 hours or so, that NOLA had been sparred from the direct hit and doomsday scenario that many weather professionals had been predicting? The levees didn't fail during the storm. They started failing on Tuesday - the day after Katrina hit. That has to be part of the reason for a delay in response. People started being rescued from roof tops on Wednesday, the day after the flooding started.

2. The people who were being rescued slowed down a lot of the response to their needs when they started looting guns and shooting at rescue helicopters. That resulted in a hesitation for rescuers to go in to NOLA for fear of their own safety and added to the impression that help wasn't there when it needed to be.

3. Some of the people who "need to be rescued" simply are refusing to leave - even now. I saw on the news earlier today one of the national guard boats insisting that a family of about 12 people get in the boat and be evacuated. They refused to get in the boat even when they were informed they wouldn't have food, clean water, electricity or maybe even another chance to get out for over a month.

Everyone is so quick to blame the government, or Bush. Others are quick to pull out the race card and start throwing that around. I'm so sick of hearing how this is a race issue. IT IS NOT! I'm the first to admit that our government has it's faults. But, the people left in NOLA when the storm hit were simply the victims of not having the money/means to leave. If anyone should be blamed for them being stranded there it is the local and state govt., not the federal govt. Them staying in NOLA had nothing to do with the color of their skin other than the fact that NOLA is 70% black and 30% below poverty-level income. Those are the people who were still there when the storm hit. And, when you see the media labeling black people as "looters" and white people as "looking" that is not the federal governemnt at work, or Bush's fault... That is the media!!!!

And, I agree with whoever said that the race issue goes both ways. I have encountered just as many racists who were black as I have white or hispanic racists. Prejudice knows no color. Does the race issue still exists - sure it does but it's not like it was in 1950. These days it's not just white people who are the oppressive racist... racism has evolved into a situational thing. If a black man is trying to join a historically all-white country club he's going to have some problems. If a rich white man's Benz breaks down in South Central LA and he has to walk 1 mile to get help - he's going to have some problems. It's all a matter of who you are and where you are and whether or not it's a bad time to be you in that situation. Last week, it just happened to be a really bad time to be a poor person who couldn't afford to leave New Orleans.

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There sure is a lot of finger pointing going on surrounding who is a fault for the Katrina disaster.

Just to point out a few things that haven't been mentioned - at least not that I read, so sorry if I'm repeating someone else.

1. Everyone is acting like there should have been some massive Federal relief on the ground in NOLA the day Katrina hit and cleared NOLA.

Today someone at work had an interesting point about this. His view is that what we're seeing isn't only a division between the able bodied/disabled and the poor/not poor. What we're seeing is the manifestation of America's entitlement mentality. The division of people who take care of themselves and those who expect the government to take care of them.

In the "take care of themselves" group you have people who got out early, and those people we've seen on TV news who have formed their own search and rescue groups in their own neighborhoods (NBC) and set up their own soup kitchens to take care of people near where they live (ABC).

On the other side are the people who within hours of the storm passing were shouting "Where's the government?" Who started pointing fingers and laying blame and were crying "woe is me" when there are real victims of the storm like the elderly, disabled, sick, desperately poor, and those living in the Superdome.

It's not too hard to imagine the political alignments of these two groups.

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I saw one woman on NBC News who was being rescued in a dump truck.  The rest of her family was rescued days earlier by helicopter, but she was too fat and they couldn't take her. 

That's it -- no more pie for me.

NO EDITOR, NO!!!

This may not be the time to do this, but when this is all said and done, the finger-pointing has to happen. I don't agree with Kayne West that the extremely late rescue mission had anything to do with Bush and black people, but I agree with him that it needs to be debated. I DO agree with Mayor Nagin that there may be an issue with financial status. Once again, we'll debate that later.

The thing that blows my mind is that the only reason why Kayne West's comments are famous is that many people seem to agree with him in some way or another. I think he definately had the right to say what he said, and I think in some ways it actually helped the federal government get into a "let me prove you wrong" mode.

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I think he definately had the right to say what he said, and I think in some ways it actually helped the federal government get into a "let me prove you wrong" mode.
I disagree. The program was a fundraiser; not a political platform. I think the producers probably let the participants know that. It was the producers venue, not Kanye's. He has the right to his opinions, and he has the right to air them, but at the right time and place. That show was neither.
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I'm wondering why the mayor of NOLA didn't mobilize the cities buses and school buses (which now sit flooded in a parking lot) to move the people who didn't have a means to evacuate.

To me, the largest part of the blame falls on the State and Local officials.

FEMA didn't need to rush into New Orleans because the damage wasn't that bad. After the levee broke a day later is when the conditions got much worse.

If the levee didn't break, the work could be done a lot easiers. The rising waters prevent most if not all vehicles from getting to the people that had to be evacuated.

I can easily show you people that racist issue is not present. What about neighboring St Bernard Parish and the city of Chalmette? This people are just as much flooded as New Orleans, have been waiting just as lon and the place is close to 80% white. 50 people died in a nursing home because no one showed up (and they were white). Race in no way can be used as a reason for lack of response.

To me, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton showing up is because they are trying to get camera time and they care very little for these people.

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Have any of yall herd what rapper Kanye West said about Bush, something about "President Bush don't care about black people" and "When people see on the news black people are looting and white people are getting food".  I personaly think he needs to shut his fu**ing mouth up. I know Bush isn't the best President we've had but I hate it when people blame politics (presidents) without knowing how the system works. People think Bush has a little magic wann and he can make things happend with it. I also know the whole Katrina situation wasn't handle like it should have been and if I was a politician I would have done everything in my power to get all those people out of there.....

  Well as for Kanye West he's an IDIOT insted of him spending millions in stupid ____ he should help those people, in other words he should put his money where his mouth is.

I disagree. Bush doesn't care about black people. He doesn't care about ANY people. Unless they have money or in the oil business. Otherwise, let them eat cake.

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I disagree. Bush doesn't care about black people. He doesn't care about ANY people. Unless they have money or in the oil business. Otherwise, let them eat cake.
To quote Groucho, "That's the most rediculous thing I've ever heard!"

And that's about the nicest thing I can say about that statement.

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Fictitious conversation . . . but might have a shred of truth.

Mr. West: Yo! publicist! I've been toiling in obscurity, and need to break into the really big time. What can I do?

Publicist: Well Kanye, you can give it all you got, and record a kick-ass album.

Mr. West: No, can't do that . . . don't have the talent.

Publicist: I know! You can say something really controversial, and that will guarantee your name will be on the headlines.

Mr. West: Like what?

Publicist: I don

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^^^

As long as Jesse can keep black people believing they are helpless and everyone is against them, he'll have a job. As soon as the black population believe they can think for themselves and do for themselve, he'll be jobless.

Some have already done this, but not enough.

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I don't care about K. West, Oprah, Jesse, Al, etc...What I do find interesting is all the effort I see posted about these people when so little is posted about the incompetence and ineptitude of Bush and FEMA. I think there's more we could do any day of the week to expose the fraud that is the Bush administration instead of babbling on about some 2-bit rapper-wanna be.

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Typical Liberal, ____. Blaming anyone else but them selfs. How about a liberal mayor and a governor that didn't step up to the plate. Didn't have local teams prepared. How about a liberal gov't that got billions of federal money that was given for flood control but spent on other things. Try to gather some facts before blaming any one. The flooding didn't happen till Tues. and the rescue crews were called in as soon as the storm past. No one knows the path of the storm once it hits land, for ex. Allison. The rescue crews needed to be camped out far enough away so themselves or vehicles don't get trapped They were called back when punks were shooting at them and then the national guard was needed and called. The national guard would not be needed if theis people weren't acting like animals and had local gov't prepare them properly. As far as Bush playing guitar at his ranch the night of the storm, so what. Thats where he like to work from, just like FDR spent majority of his time in office at his home in California and NY instead of Washington. As far as this being racist give me a break. Its another method the media and Michael Moore are trying to manipulate facts. The fact is go to S. Miss. where some towns that are virtualy all white. Their are are dead white people on the street getting eaten by rats and vulters. Not a single media person or any help arrived untill Sat. Ask Biloxi, Gulfport etc.. where is their help. The difference is any discussion with a liberal they form opinions with out proven or any documented fact. They just manipulate any thing to cause an issue instead of helping a issue that is already their.

Side note. To Micheal Moore, Instead of sitting their and writing a critical letter get of your fat ass and donate a single dollar from your millions or go down their and pass out water or anything and show some true compassion.

I never agreed with Clintons points of view but since he has been out of office, him and Bush 1 have been an ultimate team in all forms and acts of humanity. Is trully a wonderful thing that theis two leaders have become true freinds and team mates in helping in all aspects of life.

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Didn't Bush declare this storm a national disater two days before it hit land. Which empowered local gov't to prepare or do anyhting that was needed. Didn't local gov't not call Fema till the wee hours of Wed. morning and was their Fri morning when they started getting shot at. Isn't Fema still spread thin throughout FL and the last couple years have been two of the busiest hurricane seasons. Lastly didn't the LA governor refuse to sign power over to the national guard because she didn't want to feel powereless. More facts that people choose to ignore.

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how about this: liberal and conservative and moderates and everyone in between stepping up to the plate and pitching in now, after a general government-inaction-disaster...

there's something about getting defensive about one side's share of blame while blaming the other side....

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Hey they did it first.

The Mayor of NO just told CNN that President Bushed urged the governor of Louisiana to ask for help. FEMA and US Military had a plan to enact, but they are powerless unless the state governor asks for it. The feds can't do anything until state and local officials ask. Bush was forced to wait 24 hours before he could do anything.

The reason the federal government and the specifically the president is barred from providing direct immediate assistance is because it would trample on the state's rights to rule within their borders. The Governor Hailey Barbour ask and recieved assistance immediately. Mrs Blanco couldn't make the decision.

We can't blame the Bush or the Feds first because they can't act by law (from the 1800s) until they are asked. The biggest question is why the governor wanted to wait. Mayor Naggin also has some blame to take by not assisting his people to evacuate. He had over 1000 buses (school and mass transit) available to move people out. He also waited much longer than other surrounding parishes to put a mandatory evacuation into effect.

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Isn't Fema still spread thin throughout FL and the last couple years have been two of the busiest hurricane seasons. Lastly didn't the LA governor refuse to sign power over to the national guard because she didn't want to feel powereless.  More facts that people choose to ignore.

FEMA is spread thin due to $$ being diverted from FEMA to other Homeland Security Departments. FEMA is not inept just because they may lack funds-they are led by an inept and incompetant director who is a political appointee of a clearly incompetent President Bush. I'm not sure how his leadership of the American Arabian House Association [from which he was fired] qualifies him to lead a mutli billion dollar agency that so many lives depend on.

The Govenor of Louisianna rightly refused to let the National Guard be nationalized because she wants them to have the power to shoot if nessary-not just in self defense. A quick read of the Constitution would show you the military is not allowed to have the same police powers the National Guard does.

More facts that people choose to ignore? Ethanra: may I suggest you take a step back and check your facts?

By the way in your post where you were talking about a liberal mayor [who backed Bush-not Kerry; who backed the current Govenor's opponant-a Republican]

you opened your post with "Typical Liberal, ____. " Just wondering what invective fills in the blank?

B)

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