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14 hours ago, jgriff said:

We call it value plus and can get a bonus if we find something that will save the client or us money.

 

Never said Estimating was an easy job. I'm sure you are one that knows where to find the best areas to save money, but man have I been on some projects that are ridiculous. One job I was on, the GC "saved" 2 million from the project, but when the building was finished it was clear the 2 million saved was money that could have been used to better the building. The building just looked cheapened and stripped down. The silver lining was the 2 million then went into another building, but then the same GC tried to do it again! There is a clear difference in preventing unnecessary spending and preventing necessary spending.

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34 minutes ago, toxtethogrady said:

You always have to be careful, though...
Leaning Tower of NYC

There is one in San Francisco that is leaning like that as well. 

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1 hour ago, jmitch94 said:

There is one in San Francisco that is leaning like that as well. 

 

And the transportation hub in San Francisco, and the bridge situation in Dallas. Yes there are even GC's that are so bad that they will try to save money by cutting out Steel, or concrete stress testing (the Dallas example), or cut holes into beams so they can use bolts instead of welding (the transportation hub example). It may seem like an unnecessary expenditure, but it is never something you should skip out on.

 

EDIT: It should be clear that there are many great and competent GC's out there. This isn't the issue. The issue is a bad GC is potentially dangerous to a job (they are building the building after all). Whether its one that arrogantly proclaims that they have done a certain job a million times so they don't need to stress test, or a GC who will literally throw an architects plans in the garbage because they believe they "know how a building goes together" (all the above applies to architects, and engineers btw), its important that a GC respects the process and follows the plans as laid out and if changes need to be made then they do it in a professional fashion. Cutting corners isn't just bad for the building, but its bad for Client and is a violation of trust that a client puts on a GC to do things right just as they do for Architects.

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At DFW Airport 35 years ago, it was fewer sacks of concrete than specified in the runways. People eventually went to jail over it...

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On 3/4/2019 at 4:15 AM, Urbannizer said:

Free event being held Thursday March 21st for a “first look” at The Allen. The new design will likely be shown here.

 

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-residences-at-the-allen-friends-family-event-tickets-57735629823?aff=ebdssbdestsearch

 

 

Now scheduled for April 24th

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eventbrite.com/e/realtor-training-with-houston-eb5-tickets-60262049412/amp

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Wasn’t there supposed to be a meeting or some kind of gathering to reveal new plans for this development? I wanna say it was supposed to be on April 24th or something.

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On 4/27/2019 at 8:58 PM, wxman said:

Wasn’t there supposed to be a meeting or some kind of gathering to reveal new plans for this development? I wanna say it was supposed to be on April 24th or something.

anyone know what happened at this meeting? 

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Received confirmation that the distinctive “twist” in the hotel/condo design has been done away with.

 

Another classic bait bait and switch... Yay houston developers! 

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16 minutes ago, swtsig said:

Received confirmation that the distinctive “twist” in the hotel/condo design has been done away with.

 

Another classic bait bait and switch... Yay houston developers! 

 

Source?

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30 minutes ago, swtsig said:

Received confirmation that the distinctive “twist” in the hotel/condo design has been done away with.

 

Another classic bait bait and switch... Yay houston developers! 

 

Honestly the twist was very subtle anyway. Even if it was just a straightened version of that tower it would still look just fine. You normally can only justify a twist if its either more dramatic, or you have multiple moments that define the "twist" as a design feature. The twist just seemed like an afterthought in this design. Anything that is an afterthought in any design is going to be trimmed off. Now if the twist was like Jeanne Gang's newest building in San Fran:

 

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Clearly this is a defining feature for the building that was well thought out, so it will be vigoriously defended by the architects during construction documentation.

 

13 minutes ago, CaptainJilliams said:

 

Source?

 

@swtsig is probably one of the more reliable field sources we have in this forum. Normally when swtsig says something people listen. Swtsig is usually right about certain confirmations.

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3 hours ago, Luminare said:

 

Honestly the twist was very subtle anyway. Even if it was just a straightened version of that tower it would still look just fine. You normally can only justify a twist if its either more dramatic, or you have multiple moments that define the "twist" as a design feature. The twist just seemed like an afterthought in this design. Anything that is an afterthought in any design is going to be trimmed off. Now if the twist was like Jeanne Gang's newest building in San Fran:

 

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Honestly, I never even knew the condo/hotel tower was supposed to “twist”.. it just looked like they flipped a parallelogram over for each stack, to mirror the one below it and stagger the angle of the balconies/views.

 

When can Houston start expecting to get some projects like that epic Gang tower? ...50 years? Houston is so far behind in architecture/design, it’s sad, especially after being at the top in the 70s.

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1 hour ago, cloud713 said:

 

 

Honestly, I never even knew the condo/hotel tower was supposed to “twist”.. it just looked like they flipped a parallelogram over for each stack, to mirror the one below it and stagger the angle of the balconies/views.

 

When can Houston start expecting to get some projects like that epic Gang tower? ...50 years? Houston is so far behind in architecture/design, it’s sad, especially after being at the top in the 70s.

Once tenants are willing to pay the rents that are necessary to build them. THE RO is getting redesigned right now because the building was overdesigned and they would need rents 30% over market to make the construction numbers work. Companies/people aren't willing to pay that just to be in a pretty building unfortunately. 

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1 hour ago, SMU1213 said:

Once tenants are willing to pay the rents that are necessary to build them. THE RO is getting redesigned right now because the building was overdesigned and they would need rents 30% over market to make the construction numbers work. Companies/people aren't willing to pay that just to be in a pretty building unfortunately. 

 

Thats correct. From my own knowledge base you only get the really high-end / super-fine / "epic" projects when they either have an iconic name attached to the project that warrants a particular pricetag / design (example being Frank Gehry who puts titanium on everything and one that hires him knows they have to put that in there initial pricing), real estate starts to crunch up a bit in terms of availability or there is a large stock of "generic" building types that warrants approaching the high end to stand out, and finally when you have a large speculative market with LOTS of $$$$. The only reason we have the buildings we have from the 70's was due to the latter option. Oil Companies with lots and lots of money to drive a high-end speculative market. Do we really want that again folks? That kinda crashed hard the last time. We will get there, but it won't get there quick. We want the first two options to get the fancy stuff, but it takes some leg work to get there first. We are heading in that direction. We have really gotten a glorious amount of different/interesting/necessary projects for Houston. Its not a matter of if anymore, but a matter of when.

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On 4/30/2019 at 4:49 PM, real-k-estate said:

Now planned for May 16

 

What a joke this is.

 

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9 hours ago, Luminare said:

 

Thats correct. From my own knowledge base you only get the really high-end / super-fine / "epic" projects when they either have an iconic name attached to the project that warrants a particular pricetag / design (example being Frank Gehry who puts titanium on everything and one that hires him knows they have to put that in there initial pricing), real estate starts to crunch up a bit in terms of availability or there is a large stock of "generic" building types that warrants approaching the high end to stand out, and finally when you have a large speculative market with LOTS of $$$$. The only reason we have the buildings we have from the 70's was due to the latter option. Oil Companies with lots and lots of money to drive a high-end speculative market. Do we really want that again folks? That kinda crashed hard the last time. We will get there, but it won't get there quick. We want the first two options to get the fancy stuff, but it takes some leg work to get there first. We are heading in that direction. We have really gotten a glorious amount of different/interesting/necessary projects for Houston. Its not a matter of if anymore, but a matter of when.

 

Thats a good point about “the only reason we have the buildings we have from the ‘70s”..

Speaking of Gehry.. I just got back from DC, and I’m still not sure what to think of his Eisenhower Memorial design.

 

Hopefully the rescheduled meeting for this project won’t be pushed back again.

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2 hours ago, TylerHerman13 said:

Fence up on property, trees and grass on property removed, and logo on leasing center. Follow DC Partners (@dcpartnersusa) and The Allen (@residenceattheallen) on Instagram for a Friday announcement! Excited to hear the news as I live right next door. 

 


An announcement is coming for sure. A Facebook page for The Residences at The Allen in Houston, 1733 Allen Pkwy, went up last week.

https://www.facebook.com/ResidencesAtTheAllen

https://www.instagram.com/residencesattheallen/

 

 


The website for The Residences at The Allen redirects to the Urb posted last year

https://residencesattheallen.com

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2 hours ago, mattyt36 said:

Well if it proceeds, everyone will have a great view of the flooding.

another delay?  😆

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I just checked their twitter and Instagram and they’ve made the “big” announcement but no pictures and no details. 

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10 hours ago, wxman said:

I just checked their twitter and Instagram and they’ve made the “big” announcement but no pictures and no details. 

They just saved a bunch of money on their car insurance by switching to GEICO.

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10 hours ago, houstontexasjack said:

They just saved a bunch of money on their car insurance by switching to GEICO.

 

I heard they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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1 hour ago, Luminare said:

 

I heard they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

Joke’s on them, the Best Western is much closer.

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26 minutes ago, CaptainJilliams said:

I see a rendering on that signage, is it any different from what we’ve seen?

I'll look at it on Sunday during my ride.

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30 minutes ago, hindesky said:

I'll look at it on Sunday during my ride.

 

Thank you. I can’t tell you how disappointed I would be if they tease us with the old rendering on signage and then build something different. 

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2 hours ago, CaptainJilliams said:

 

Ah, now I see it...if this is the redesign it isn't very drastic at all. But I do see what looks like a pedestrian bridge and I thought that was scrapped.

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Here's the one from 2017. I don't see that much difference.

 

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Closer:

 

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2 hours ago, CaptainJilliams said:

 

Ah, now I see it...if this is the redesign it isn't very drastic at all. But I do see what looks like a pedestrian bridge and I thought that was scrapped.

Allen.jpg

 

I still think that's the old rendering. If you do the 3D interactive view, you get this view instead (Sorry, I can't remove the overlays).

 

 

theallen.jpg

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Just now, Triton said:

 

I still think that's the old rendering. If you do the 3D interactive view, you get this view instead (Sorry, I can't remove the overlays).

 

 

theallen.jpg

 

Darn, thanks for pointing that out. Here's hoping they make minimal changes to what we've already seen.

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2 minutes ago, Triton said:

 

I still think that's the old rendering. If you do the 3D interactive view, you get this view instead (Sorry, I can't remove the overlays).

 

 

theallen.jpg

 

The blank walls on the parking garage podiums look like Randall Davis's contributions to the project.

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2 minutes ago, rechlin said:

 

The blank walls on the parking garage podiums look like Randall Davis's contributions to the project.

Here's the main website: http://theallendevelopment.com/

 

This also looks like a new front without the pedestrian bridge.

 

 

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This is such an important place to develop some tall buildings because it inches closer to connecting all our buildings like spokes on a wheel (which will look tops)

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No doubt the debbie downers are going to have a field day tearing into this 'value engineered' design and everything about the current state of Houston architecture. But no matter, it's still a nice building, great height for the area and we could have done a lot worse. Jenga style buildings aren't everything.

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