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When complete, If it looks and feels anything like this, it will be the “must live at” midtown location for many, many people.  It will be in huge demand.

 

question: what is a “laneway”?

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Incredible. If these two new towers end up as tall as the FAA filings, this should be a huge focal point on the skyline. Caydon is a gamechanger.

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Wow! This would be my new favorite development if it ends up anything like the renderings. Please! 

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These renderings are beautiful!  A development that is architecturally unique, innovative and striking!  Uncommon in Houston.  I was in New York City recently.  There are scads of new, beautiful buildings there that would literally define the skyline of any other city.  In New York, though, they are “run of the mill”.  The Caydon renderings, along with Kirby Collection and 2929 Wesleyan, give me hope that we may be inching slowly in that direction.

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3 hours ago, UtterlyUrban said:

When complete, If it looks and feels anything like this, it will be the “must live at” midtown location for many, many people.  It will be in huge demand.

 

question: what is a “laneway”?

 

I think in this sense it means the pedestrian-only areas between the buildings that have retail and restaurant outlets opening onto them.  Melbourne is famous for them.

 

http://www.traveller.com.au/six-of-the-best-melbourne-laneways-12wkbf

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2 minutes ago, CrockpotandGravel said:


Thanks for steering me in the right direction. So many new developments from the same developers, it can confuse a dude. :lol:

 

Many new developments is a good problem to have :lol:

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5 hours ago, UtterlyUrban said:

When complete, If it looks and feels anything like this, it will be the “must live at” midtown location for many, many people.  It will be in huge demand.

 

question: what is a “laneway”?

Laneways are what alleyways are called in Melbourne, Australia. In Melbourne they put movie theater entrances, restaurants, and activities in it to attract pedestrians. It's like a hidden nerve system for the city. 

 

Here are some pictures of laneways in Melbourne

 

http://www.traveller.com.au/six-of-the-best-melbourne-laneways-12wkbf

 

https://www.loopfinancial.com.au/sydney-melbourne-livability-surveys/

 

Laneways would be an excellent idea for Midtown Houston. 

 

 

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On 5/3/2016 at 3:38 PM, samagon said:

You're right. Planning to build 1000 units on 1.5 blocks is definitely less than it could be. Where's the rolleyes icon?

 

The tallest residential tower in Houston (not even finished yet), Market Square Tower, it's 40 stories and 'only' has 463 units http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2014/07/16/new-details-revealed-in-market-square-tower.html true it's on half a block, but my point stands, you'd have to have something of the similar height to market square tower over 3x the land area. And you're saying that it's less than it could be?

 

as I said, rolleyes. Like really, it hurts they're rolling so hard.

 

honestly, what this developer is proposing, I'll believe it when the dirt starts turning, pierce elevated or no.

Samagon the dirt is turned!

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On 2/21/2018 at 11:55 AM, invisibletrees said:

Hoooly sheeeet!!!

 

 

 

What is this canopy thing spanning across Main?

Appears to be a glass cover to keep people dry in case of rain

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2 hours ago, talltexan83 said:

Its probably just a placeholder, but Little Creatures is an amazing brewery based in Perth (Fremantle), Australia.  Would love to see them come to Texas!

https://littlecreatures.com.au/agegate/

 

I saw the Little Creatures logo and chuckled. I've only been to the one in Freo, but apparently there's another outside Melbourne. The Crafty Squire is also a brewpub in Melbourne.

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Fingers crossed.

 

When I was in Melbourne a few months ago, I was so impressed by development there. Would love to see someone here truly raise the bar. 

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11 minutes ago, pablog said:

Appears to be a glass cover to keep people dry in case of rain

 

Ah which means more jaywalkers like the two with the dog. If a new crosswalk was depicted as well it'd make sense. 

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On 2/21/2018 at 11:55 AM, invisibletrees said:

Hoooly sheeeet!!!

 

 

 

 


This image shows no less than 4 people and a dog narrowly missed by the light rail.  I think this canopy design is going to change since the light rail draws power from the electrical lines above it which arent shown in this image.  Canopy is probably going to be quite a bit taller than shown. 

Eitherway, this is a fantastic development. Wow! hope this gets built as shown. 

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On 2/21/2018 at 2:14 AM, Urbannizer said:

 

 

If this rendering is correct, it means they are shutting down the northbound Main Street lane to move the northbound McGowen station on to where the current driving lane is, and out of the median (which in this rendering is now grass -- though I'd be very surprised if they'd want people walking in the median between the trains).  Seems surprising that they'd want to rebuild the station like that.

 

But this still doesn't seem right -- I thought the project was south of that, along the southbound McGowen station instead.  The above rendering shows that tower taking the place of the block with Mongoose vs Cobra, which seems too far north.  The current construction is between Tuam and Drew, which is 3 blocks south of the above rendering.

 

Or maybe this is actually the southbound station, and the Australian developers, being used to right-hand-drive traffic, inadvertently rendered the northbound lanes in the foreground instead of the background?

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1 hour ago, Purdueenginerd said:


This image shows no less than 4 people and a dog narrowly missed by the light rail.  I think this canopy design is going to change since the light rail draws power from the electrical lines above it which arent shown in this image.  Canopy is probably going to be quite a bit taller than shown. 

Eitherway, this is a fantastic development. Wow! hope this gets built as shown. 

 

The trams go more slowly in Melbourne

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I wouldn't get too literal with the rendering. It's generally more of a conceptual and emotive image and not meant to be technical. There's a reason they don't give paint brushes to engineers.

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5 hours ago, Brooklyn173 said:

I wouldn't get too literal with the rendering. It's generally more of a conceptual and emotive image and not meant to be technical. There's a reason they don't give paint brushes to engineers.

Yes and no. At my company we usually receive all engineering plans and designs well before we try to conceptualize anything. Even if this is for some sort of emotional response from the artist, the technical side is usually left out because it's either distracting or simply boring. If the design has made it this far then I'd say what you see is what you get. Some elements are purely conceptual obviously but let's hope for the best. This is beautiful and urban.

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I'd say since the first tower is already under construction and we know what that one will look like, these new renderings for the rest of the development can't be too far off.

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14 hours ago, Brooklyn173 said:

I wouldn't get too literal with the rendering. It's generally more of a conceptual and emotive image and not meant to be technical. There's a reason they don't give paint brushes to engineers.

 

My experience makes me agree with the above.

 

8 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said:

Yes and no. At my company we usually receive all engineering plans and designs well before we try to conceptualize anything. Even if this is for some sort of emotional response from the artist, the technical side is usually left out because it's either distracting or simply boring. If the design has made it this far then I'd say what you see is what you get. Some elements are purely conceptual obviously but let's hope for the best. This is beautiful and urban.

 

How can you get engineering plans and designs before beginning conceptual design?!  I'm confused.

 

38 minutes ago, Nole23 said:

I'd say since the first tower is already under construction and we know what that one will look like, these new renderings for the rest of the development can't be too far off.

 

These seem just a bit more ambitious.

 

If there are budget constraints, the more expressive architectural elements will be the first to go.

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54 minutes ago, mattyt36 said:

 

My experience makes me agree with the above.

 

 

How can you get engineering plans and designs before beginning conceptual design?!  I'm confused.

 

 

These seem just a bit more ambitious.

 

If there are budget constraints, the more expressive architectural elements will be the first to go.

Before we make mock ups of anything we have to follow a set of guidelines based off the technical specs. In other words a company can't just send us pics or throw us an idea of what they want without us knowing exactly how it works. On our end we basically have to understand what the engineer has laid out before we can even conceptualize anything. Make sense now?

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8 minutes ago, j_cuevas713 said:

Before we make mock ups of anything we have to follow a set of guidelines based off the technical specs. In other words a company can't just send us pics or throw us an idea of what they want without us knowing exactly how it works. On our end we basically have to understand what the engineer has laid out before we can even conceptualize anything. Make sense now?

 

So like project definition you mean?

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Caydon needs to partner with Rice on the Sears project. Would love to see them do more projects in midtown.

 

There's style is fresh and different. Many proposals seem like an interesting building but these renders are interesting both in the form of the building and the functionality with it's surroundings. Love how both buildings interact with it's surroundings. Love the canopies, all the glass, the outside seating, the paths. This may turn into a destination. The apartments across the street is in a park and yet is a much more aloof building. Not very welcoming. 

 

Anyway, I'm very happy with what I've seen from caydon so far

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1 hour ago, HoustonIsHome said:

Caydon needs to partner with Rice on the Sears project. Would love to see them do more projects in midtown.

 

I had that thought last night. I’d love to see what Caydon might do with the Sears site as well. 

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1 hour ago, ArtNsf said:

Bloody gorgeous renderings !  I hope they stick to this design.  Really ups the anti (sp?) there in Midtown.

 

ante (unless you were going for some sort of a pun?)

 

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the renderings look awesome but you'll be served much better in the future if you appreciate them w a large dose of skepticism.

 

just my opinion, though.

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2 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said:

Yeah I guess you could call it that.

 

Thanks for that.

 

I will preface the below by saying I am not an architect or engineer but have worked on the business side on airport projects (public sector--not private, so could be completely different).  This is typically how those large-scale projects go down:

 

-Prepare a demand forecast

 

-Apply planning standards to determine facility requirements (square footage of bathrooms, concessions, holdrooms, etc., required)

 

-Apply facility requirements to financial and physical constraints (site size, affordability, etc.) and state development guidelines--I'd call this program/project definition--a conceptual design typically falls out of this (I'd consider the renderings above a conceptual design)

 

-Hand over project definition manual to architectural and engineering team for full design

 

-Often enough during the full design process financial feasibility and other constraints are hit so the design gets "value engineered"--ornamental and difficult/expensive-to-construct elements are the first things removed.  


-Something different and "less impressive" gets built

 

I assume that's what happened with the Alessandra.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe some developers really operate with a "bait and switch" MO to show "pretty pictures" on the front end (financing, government approvals) and never intend to build the "pretty pictures."  I'd hope that was the exception rather than the rule, though.

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The renderings have been removed.  The Australians don't want you see them here.

 

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4 minutes ago, editor said:

The renderings have been removed.  The Australians don't want you see them here.

 

 

 

How often does this happen?

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4 minutes ago, mattyt36 said:

 

How often does this happen?

 

Very infrequently.  And almost exclusively with foreigners.

 

American architects and architecture firms are usually flattered when people take an interest in their work.  Most mid-sized and large firms have PR companies who send us photos and renderings to publish all the time.  And in America, once you file your paperwork and renderings with the local government, they become public record.  Perhaps things are different in Australia.

 

I can only remember it happening once before, and that was with a Belgian company.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, editor said:

 

Very infrequently.  And almost exclusively with foreigners.

 

American architects and architecture firms are usually flattered when people take an interest in their work.  Most mid-sized and large firms have PR companies who send us photos and renderings to publish all the time.  And in America, once you file your paperwork and renderings with the local government, they become public record.  Perhaps things are different in Australia.

 

I can only remember it happening once before, and that was with a Belgian company.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, mattyt36 said:

 

Thanks for that.

 

I will preface the below by saying I am not an architect or engineer but have worked on the business side on airport projects (public sector--not private, so could be completely different).  This is typically how those large-scale projects go down:

 

-Prepare a demand forecast

 

-Apply planning standards to determine facility requirements (square footage of bathrooms, concessions, holdrooms, etc., required)

 

-Apply facility requirements to financial and physical constraints (site size, affordability, etc.) and state development guidelines--I'd call this program/project definition--a conceptual design typically falls out of this (I'd consider the renderings above a conceptual design)

 

-Hand over project definition manual to architectural and engineering team for full design

 

-Often enough during the full design process financial feasibility and other constraints are hit so the design gets "value engineered"--ornamental and difficult/expensive-to-construct elements are the first things removed.  


-Something different and "less impressive" gets built

 

I assume that's what happened with the Alessandra.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe some developers really operate with a "bait and switch" MO to show "pretty pictures" on the front end (financing, government approvals) and never intend to build the "pretty pictures."  I'd hope that was the exception rather than the rule, though.

I guess I shouldn't have used the word conceptualize so loosely. Many of the engineers we deal with help us determine what's feasible. From the info we receive from them we build around that. We never show final imagery with many of the technical specs because it's unnecessary or it destroys the composition aesthetically. 

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8 hours ago, j_cuevas713 said:

I guess I shouldn't have used the word conceptualize so loosely. Many of the engineers we deal with help us determine what's feasible. From the info we receive from them we build around that. We never show final imagery with many of the technical specs because it's unnecessary or it destroys the composition aesthetically. 

 

It's entirely possible my experience in public-sector projects is completely different than how a project like this would work.

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49 minutes ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

Maybe and if so, maybe he'll add those additional forums requested to the neighborhood section. Then again, if there isn't a cease and desist, or threat of legal action from a developer or designer, we won't hear squat about requests for forum features.

 

Maybe you should play the Belgian card.

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Why do developers post pictures to their web site then send take down request?  If my company wants to keep something private we keep it on internal networks and slap confidential watermarks all over it.

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