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On 8/22/2019 at 1:01 PM, quietstorm said:

The light at the top left is out already :(


It still is, more than a month later. 
With the developers' eye for detail, I'm astonished that such an conspicuous maintenance issue has not been addressed.

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2 hours ago, dbigtex56 said:


It still is, more than a month later. 
With the developers' eye for detail, I'm astonished that such an conspicuous maintenance issue has not been addressed.

Those lights aren’t readily available. They have to be special ordered. 

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2 hours ago, LBC2HTX said:

Those lights aren’t readily available. They have to be special ordered. 

What are those lights called?
I mean, I didn't think they would be available at Home Depot, but they must be more of a specialty item than I realized.

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40 minutes ago, phillip_white said:
It looks like all they're missing is the bocce area and dog park. I believe those were both supposed to be in the lower area with the concrete?

 

Uhhh, that looks really great. And its pretty cool that they are using that concrete area. And yes, I believe from the designs that its that lower area. 

 

That pic does draw a bit of attention to the place right in front of it though...😂.

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I love what Caydon is doing with this, but the real question is...will enough people want to live in this part of Midtown with all of the baggage that entails? It isn’t all that far from the Greyhound station after all. I have no doubts this area will transform into something great over the years, but who will the first brave souls be to lease an apartment here? I mean at this price point, why not just live in the Hanover Montrose or in one of the nice residential towers downtown?

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36 minutes ago, clutchcity94 said:

I love what Caydon is doing with this, but the real question is...will enough people want to live in this part of Midtown with all of the baggage that entails? It isn’t all that far from the Greyhound station after all. I have no doubts this area will transform into something great over the years, but who will the first brave souls be to lease an apartment here? I mean at this price point, why not just live in the Hanover Montrose or in one of the nice residential towers downtown?

 

People that want to stumble home from Cle?  Midtown is probably the best location for those that are into to the partying scene.  Also being on the Red line working downtown or TMC is an easy commute.  Midtown Park is patrolled so it's a safe place to chill or work out.  More positives than negatives if you have the salary, don't have kids, and don't want the commitment of a home.

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10 hours ago, clutchcity94 said:

I love what Caydon is doing with this, but the real question is...will enough people want to live in this part of Midtown with all of the baggage that entails? It isn’t all that far from the Greyhound station after all. I have no doubts this area will transform into something great over the years, but who will the first brave souls be to lease an apartment here? I mean at this price point, why not just live in the Hanover Montrose or in one of the nice residential towers downtown?

 

This is about half a mile from the Greyhound station, so I don't think that'll be a huge deterrent.

 

If you work downtown or in the TMC, living here means you can get by without a car, which puts an extra $800 or so in your pocket every month. Living car free, in a place where you can reasonably live car free, is fantastic, and this is the first neighborhood in the city where one can reasonably live car free.

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14 hours ago, clutchcity94 said:

I love what Caydon is doing with this, but the real question is...will enough people want to live in this part of Midtown with all of the baggage that entails? It isn’t all that far from the Greyhound station after all. I have no doubts this area will transform into something great over the years, but who will the first brave souls be to lease an apartment here? I mean at this price point, why not just live in the Hanover Montrose or in one of the nice residential towers downtown?

 

I think thats a valid point and question, and Hanover Montrose is tempting, but when comparing the two its the lack of needing a car to do shit that really pops out. I think Hanover montrose needs a Bcycle station, tbh, to get you to the bars down Westheimer. You can walk to Disco Krogers and back, which is great. But when that Whole Foods at Pearl opens, the Caydon peeps will be 7 blocks/streets away, and there's already that (crappy) Randalls. If you enjoy going to any sports games, Midtown on the rail is better than Montrose. The bars are an easy walk to in midtown, but more importantly, you have better day-to-day, cheap food in Midtown than you have closer to the Hanover. Cali sandwhiches, Les Girval, Luna y Sol, etc. Downtown is a distant third cause it has the food and bars, but no grocery store, and at night you don't see nearly as many people walking around as you do in Midtown. I dunno, I'd move somewhere on the rail line in Midtown. There are more homeless as you get towards the greyhound station on Main, but they're existence doesn't bother me, so 🤷‍♂️.

 

If you're a luxury developer and anywhere near bikeable areas (I think Midtown is pretty bikeable) I would think its pretty poor form not to offer rentable bikes to your people. Easiest thing to do is put in a Bcycle station. The Boone Manor people in Museum District during their presentation said they already secured a rentable bike situation for their lessors because their development is on the eventual La Branch/Austin bike lanes. 

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25 minutes ago, X.R. said:

 

I think thats a valid point and question, and Hanover Montrose is tempting, but when comparing the two its the lack of needing a car to do shit that really pops out. I think Hanover montrose needs a Bcycle station, tbh, to get you to the bars down Westheimer. You can walk to Disco Krogers and back, which is great. But when that Whole Foods at Pearl opens, the Caydon peeps will be 7 blocks/streets away, and there's already that (crappy) Randalls. If you enjoy going to any sports games, Midtown on the rail is better than Montrose. The bars are an easy walk to in midtown, but more importantly, you have better day-to-day, cheap food in Midtown than you have closer to the Hanover. Cali sandwhiches, Les Girval, Luna y Sol, etc. Downtown is a distant third cause it has the food and bars, but no grocery store, and at night you don't see nearly as many people walking around as you do in Midtown. I dunno, I'd move somewhere on the rail line in Midtown. There are more homeless as you get towards the greyhound station on Main, but they're existence doesn't bother me, so 🤷‍♂️.

 

If you're a luxury developer and anywhere near bikeable areas (I think Midtown is pretty bikeable) I would think its pretty poor form not to offer rentable bikes to your people. Easiest thing to do is put in a Bcycle station. The Boone Manor people in Museum District during their presentation said they already secured a rentable bike situation for their lessors because their development is on the eventual La Branch/Austin bike lanes. 

 

Luna y Sol closed...  There is a Bcycle station at Midtown park.  Bcycle sounds nice but how many residents would use it.  I've always thought of Bcycle as something for tourist(local and out of town) and for extremely occasional biking.  I considered getting a Bcycle membership($79) but decided a cheap(~$100) bike and lock makes more sense for me.  When I rode around here last weekend I only saw one person on a bike and two people on a motorized one wheel...maybe that's what Caydon tenants would be into.

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Bikeshare is incredibly convenient once you've reached a critical mass of stations. The key is having stations near where people live in addition to where people want to go. Houston's Bcycle is definitely getting to the point that there are enough stations to be convenient for quite a few rides, but it could use a bunch more, starting with obvious locations along trails and bikelanes.

 

A good example of a system that works well is Capital Bikeshare in DC. There are definitely still holes, but it's enough of a network that you can generally be pretty confident that there's a station near you and near where you're going. It is *very* nice not to have to worry about locking your bike up or potentially having it stolen. I am a huge proponent of well-designed bikeshare systems, and the only issue I have with Bcycle is that it needs more stations.

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6 hours ago, Texasota said:

Bikeshare is incredibly convenient once you've reached a critical mass of stations. The key is having stations near where people live in addition to where people want to go. Houston's Bcycle is definitely getting to the point that there are enough stations to be convenient for quite a few rides, but it could use a bunch more, starting with obvious locations along trails and bikelanes.

 

A good example of a system that works well is Capital Bikeshare in DC. There are definitely still holes, but it's enough of a network that you can generally be pretty confident that there's a station near you and near where you're going. It is *very* nice not to have to worry about locking your bike up or potentially having it stolen. I am a huge proponent of well-designed bikeshare systems, and the only issue I have with Bcycle is that it needs more stations.

 

Agreed. For me, ecobici in Mexico City sets the standard for what a citywide bikeshare should be; cheap rentals and an extensive network of pickup/dropoff locations. You can ride from Zocalo to the suburbs and find "stations" all along the way. They also have much stricter laws for yielding right of way to cyclists, but that's a conversation for another thread.

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On 9/27/2019 at 2:00 PM, Texasota said:

Bikeshare is incredibly convenient once you've reached a critical mass of stations. The key is having stations near where people live in addition to where people want to go. Houston's Bcycle is definitely getting to the point that there are enough stations to be convenient for quite a few rides, but it could use a bunch more, starting with obvious locations along trails and bikelanes.

 

 

Unless the bikeshare is very actively operated, it can be dicey to depend on it for commuting, especially into/out of a CBD like Houston's. Aside from station placement, there are two big risks you face as a commuter: having a bike available at the station nearest where you live, and having an open dock at the station nearest where you work (and vice versa for the trip home). Dockless solves one of these problems, but not both.

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On 9/26/2019 at 8:06 PM, clutchcity94 said:

I love what Caydon is doing with this, but the real question is...will enough people want to live in this part of Midtown with all of the baggage that entails? It isn’t all that far from the Greyhound station after all. I have no doubts this area will transform into something great over the years, but who will the first brave souls be to lease an apartment here? I mean at this price point, why not just live in the Hanover Montrose or in one of the nice residential towers downtown?

 

2016 Main, Smith Street Apartments, Rise Lofts, Edge Condos, Post Midtown, Camden Midtown, Midtown Houston by Windsor, Camden Travis, Camden McGowen Station Apartments.

 

These are all lofts/condos/apartments within the same (or closer distance) than this midrise.

 

honestly, there are more, but I stopped searching.

 

what makes this one unique, or special that means the tenants will have different needs, or considerations than tenants of other apartments in the vicinity of the greyhound?

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3 hours ago, Angostura said:

 

Unless the bikeshare is very actively operated, it can be dicey to depend on it for commuting, especially into/out of a CBD like Houston's. Aside from station placement, there are two big risks you face as a commuter: having a bike available at the station nearest where you live, and having an open dock at the station nearest where you work (and vice versa for the trip home). Dockless solves one of these problems, but not both.

 

I actually prefer docked to dockless - you always know where bikes are supposed to be and you can check an app in advance to see if there are bikes. And again, the answer to stations without bikes is simple - more stations! Many bikeshare systems also operate "corrals" in CBDs so you don't have to worry about finding open stations during rush hour.

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I love this. Midtown was always destined for this.

 

The challenge now is to create an environment that values both historic structures and new innovative builds. There is a ton of cool history in Midtown. The mix is what makes it interesting!

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"Houston is the ideal place to expand our Texas footprint," Kimpton CEO Mike DeFrino said in an announcement. "Midtown is quickly solidifying its place as the heart of the city, and its diverse cosmopolitan vibe fits perfectly with Kimpton's brand of hospitality." 

 

Great job Houston!!!

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1 hour ago, urbanize713 said:

Curious what the other sides look like. At first glance the curves are slightly reminiscent of  Lake Point Tower in Chicago. 

 

I was thinking that too. I took a quick pick. This is how it looks from my bedroom window. For lots of reasons, it is one of the most hated buildings in Chicago.

 

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With the rapid development and densification of Midtown, I wonder if Montrose will pull even further ahead of the Heights in terms of desirability. Currently, both Montrose and the Heights offer ultra short commutes for downtown office workers, but now that Midtown seems like it’s in the midst of a 180, Montrose stands to gain as well IMO.

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Hot damn this looks as good as the BBQ at Willows! 

 

Love the curves, and honestly the overall design is phenomenal. Makes me want to see more of this project, not later but now. I can see those placeholders in the background lookin rather sneaky, wonder what they're going to look like; especially with the bar this tower has set. 

 

Insane it took an international developer to put something like this in midtown, they'rent playing any games. Some of these local developers need to hurry their pace, or they're gonna get left behind in terms of design.

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4 minutes ago, dbigtex56 said:

Moderators: Although this is part of a grouping of buildings, it deserves to have a thread of its own.

 

I would agree, but precedent thus far has dictated that this would stay together as a whole. Its been the same with other "urban core" projects like The Allen, Lower Heights, etc...

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