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I mean the same as what the rest of the galleria looks like.

 

I agree it does look like the already existing wings of the Galleria, especially the Nieman Marcus wing.

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I agree it does look like the already existing wings of the Galleria, especially the Nieman Marcus wing.

 

It would be quite odd if it did not look  similar to the existing wings.

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Dang, I honestly had no idea this area of the Galleria even existed.

The only time I've ever been inside a department store at the galleria is when passing through it to get to the interior shopping area.

Not sure I've ever bought anything at the Galleria either. I've only been there a hand full of times in my adult life. Then again I am a man.

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The view from Neimans to the new Saks would need to be the same should the renovations provide a continuous open corridor. The new configuration may have a more significant WOW factor when one enters the central mall corridor if bookended by Neimans/new Saks.

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The only time I've ever been inside a department store at the galleria is when passing through it to get to the interior shopping area.

Not sure I've ever bought anything at the Galleria either. I've only been there a hand full of times in my adult life. Then again I am a man.

......uhhhh, no comment.

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sounds like it will be a huge improvement. i agree it would have looked weird if Galleria III looked different from the rest of the galleria, though they could have taken the opportunity to start renovating the look of the entire mall, renovating the other buildings after they finish III. but there wasnt really a need to change the look as it still looks nice and doesnt appear dated.

will this "expansion" truely expand the size/floor space of the Galleria?

is there a map of how the Galleria is laid out? i was trying to envision the complex from an arial perspective to determine where the new tower would go. i was also curious if there would be room for additional expansion like a Galleria V or something.

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As I recall, Hines at one time considered extending The Galleria westward across Sage.  Not sure why they changed their minds, but perhaps it was market conditions at the time.  Instead, they developed a couple of little strip malls, the (then) Ranger Insurance Building and the (then) Guest Quarters Hotel.  In retrospect, I wish they had done that rather than having to build Galleria IV to the south.  

 

I agree that the decision to isolate Galleria III by forcing pedestrians to walk though a department store  (Marshall Fields / Saks) played a big part in why it failed to draw traffic.  

 

 

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If Simon is ever able to purchase the land where the church stands at the corner of West Alabama & Sage it could expand on that property. It's a pretty large space, the majority of it currently being used for a parking lot. It seems like a pretty logical place for a expansion with it being directly across from most recently built Macy's, they would just need a large department store to anchor the expansion. Like Barney's, Bloomingdales, Bergdorf, or even Belk( I believe they are opening a store in Dallas).

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so when your looking at the galleria from arial views it would be..

3 2 1    and 
   4       going south across alabama?
 


It had to be done it was always awkward to have to walk thru Saks to get the the Galleria III. I cant wait to see how it turns out, with the residential high rise and all. 

 

Now the only thing I wish they would do is develop the parking lots at the SW corner of Post Oak & Westheimer. Also it would be great if they redeveloped the Dillards and its parking lot.

according to this post from the first page in this thread, Dillards and Neiman Marcus arent part of theGalleria. 

"I know that Neiman Marcus is not owned by Simon, the company that owns the mall. The mall just came out to NM's front door. The same goes for Dillards. A skywalk would be nice, but it is unlikely a common corridor would be built for something that is not really included in the Galleria mall, even though NM is included in the mall directory. NM was built before the Galleria was and the own the land it sits on, not Simon."

so it would appear the Galleria wont ever be building any sky bridges connecting Dillards to NM. i dont think it would be a very popular connection anyways since it would have the Galleria III effect with NM cutting off traffic/causing you to walk through a department store to get from Galleria I to Dillards. i wonder if the Galleria owns the land Dillards is on or if that land is owned by someone else too like NM is? that could determine if they would/could ever redevelop Dillards (what were your ideas?) and its parking lot. as for the parking lots north of NM, one of those may be owned by NM. it would be neat though if they developed those parking lots and connected it into the old Lord and Taylor store/area where Kona Grill and Del Friscos are. it might be kind of a weird development though, if it were to parallel Galleria I? i guess they could have the hallway at the entrance by Cheese Cake Factory and McDonalds be extended out north up to Westheimer with stores lining both sides of it. 

i wonder if there are plans for a Galleria V. does anyone see any major expansion happening in the future? that Church just south of Macys at Galleria III has a large parking lot. maybe they could sell off the majority of that to Simon and build a garage to the south of the church? im not sure it would be a large enough expansion to be deemed "Galleria V" though. maybe just room for another department store. it would be cool if Simon were able to buy off the whole Church and develop their whole plot into Galleria V. they could even offer the church space somewhere in the building so they dont have to relocate where they hold their services.

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I myself think that the second picture is boring and could very well be old. But what really looks incredible is the first one. I think that would look amazing! It also looks much more pedestrian-friendly.

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It's a new area for theGalleria III (unless they decided to remodel the whole thing), the inside is supposed to look similar to the other "older" sections. It would be odd if it didn't. But that picture depicts the new atrium/wing that is taking the place of Saks, which for now forms a barrier between galleria III and galleria II. The expansion has been posted in the uptown sub forum. Looks like they are filling in the holes on the Philip Johnson facade?

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Need to let out a little negative energy rant here and it is not soley on Sky-guy, but I wish people would at least look to see if there is a thread already on a subject before posting a new thread on an older topic.

 

End rant.

 

Now back to the regularly scheduled rainbows, sunshine and unicorns  ^_^

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It kind of sounds like the whole galleria may be receiving an update, but galleria III is going to be undergoing the extensive structural renovations so the article highlighted that portion. Or did I misunderstand the part towards the end of the article about the rest of the galleria receiving an update too?

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It kind of sounds like the whole galleria may be receiving an update, but galleria III is going to be undergoing the extensive structural renovations so the article highlighted that portion. Or did I misunderstand the part towards the end of the article about the rest of the galleria receiving an update too?

 

From the HBJ article:

"Simon’s plans also include upgrades to the interior, exterior and parking decks of the mall."  Seems pretty clear (and those words are straight from Simon's press release).

 

 

I think the "extensive structural renovations" of Galleria III is really a demolition of the current Galleria III and Macy's on Sage structures and construction of a new structure for Sak's (and possibly a residential high-rise) in their place.

 

I am wondering about the conversion of the current 3-story Saks store building into a new 2-level mall wing.  What do they plan to do with the current third level space?

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I am wondering about the conversion of the current 3-story Saks store building into a new 2-level mall wing.  What do they plan to do with the current third level space?

 

There's a third level to the mall right there that is offices and banks and at least one optometrist.  They could continue that into the third level of Saks.

 

Edit:  Looking at the rendering after posting this, you can see the third level.  I assume that is where the existing 3rd level of Saks is now.

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From the HBJ article:

"Simon’s plans also include upgrades to the interior, exterior and parking decks of the mall." Seems pretty clear (and those words are straight from Simon's press release).

I think the "extensive structural renovations" of Galleria III is really a demolition of the current Galleria III and Macy's on Sage structures and construction of a new structure for Sak's (and possibly a residential high-rise) in their place.

I am wondering about the conversion of the current 3-story Saks store building into a new 2-level mall wing. What do they plan to do with the current third level space?

True, i just wasn't sure if they were referring to just the 3rd wing or the whole mall. It's about time ours gets a facelift. Dallas galleria is newer than ours and has already been remodeled.

And yeah you can see the 3rd level in the rendering.

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True, i just wasn't sure if they were referring to just the 3rd wing or the whole mall. It's about time ours gets a facelift. Dallas galleria is newer than ours and has already been remodeled.

And yeah you can see the 3rd level in the rendering.

 

I haven't been in the Dallas Galleria since 2001.  At that time it had fallen far from where it was in the '80's.  Were they able to bring it back to glory?

 

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I haven't been in the Dallas Galleria since 2001.  At that time it had fallen far from where it was in the '80's.  Were they able to bring it back to glory?

 

I live in Dallas now and they're slowly losing tenants. Saks just left and Nordstrom's days are numbered. They're replacing Saks with a Belks. As mentioned above, the outside is really nice. The neighborhood surrounding the mall is getting worse and it battles competition from its neighbors to the north and NorthPark to the south of it.

 

Side note: I cant wait to move back to Houston. (sigh)

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True, i just wasn't sure if they were referring to just the 3rd wing or the whole mall. It's about time ours gets a facelift. Dallas galleria is newer than ours and has already been remodeled.

And yeah you can see the 3rd level in the rendering.

 

The interior of the Houston Galleria has already been fully remodeled.  Agree the exterior could use a facelift.

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The interior of the Houston Galleria has already been fully remodeled.  Agree the exterior could use a facelift.

oh really? that makes sense since it still looks so nice inside. when did the renovation take place? the outside definitely needs a makeover..

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I live in Dallas now and they're slowly losing tenants. Saks just left and Nordstrom's days are numbered. They're replacing Saks with a Belks. As mentioned above, the outside is really nice. The neighborhood surrounding the mall is getting worse and it battles competition from its neighbors to the north and NorthPark to the south of it.

 

Side note: I cant wait to move back to Houston. (sigh)

 

 

Sounds like it's well on the way to a listing on DeadMalls.com.

 

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oh really? that makes sense since it still looks so nice inside. when did the renovation take place? the outside definitely needs a makeover..

 

The interior renovation took place in the same general time period as the addition of Galleria IV.

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The interior renovation took place in the same general time period as the addition of Galleria IV.

That was 2002-2003.

I live in Dallas now and they're slowly losing tenants. Saks just left and Nordstrom's days are numbered. They're replacing Saks with a Belks. As mentioned above, the outside is really nice. The neighborhood surrounding the mall is getting worse and it battles competition from its neighbors to the north and NorthPark to the south of it.

Even back in 2006, it was a bit strange to see a department store replaced with a three-level Banana Republic/GAP/Old Navy combo.
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http://houston.culturemap.com/news/fashion/12-05-13-big-changes-at-the-galleria-new-luxury-stores-moving-in-keeping-the-river-oaks-district-at-bay/?utm_source=sf_facebook

 

Updates on several stores renovating or moving to the galleria also saying that the new expansion is starting in the summer

 

Interesting article.  Thanks for posting.  But I cannot find where it says anything about the expansion of the Galleria starting in the summer (or, for that matter, anything at all about the expansion of the Galleria).

 

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yeah i dont see anything about the Galleria expansion in that article either. i thought it was supposed to start sometime this winter?

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I was Just reading through this month's issue of Houstonia. "Secrets if the Galleria". I thought it was an amazing issue until I turned to page 54 (Galleria by the Numbers) where I saw that 2014 would be the year that the Galleria would be torn down. I took some pictures of the page on my iPhone, but I won't be able to post them till I get home in about half an hour. Anyone else know anything about this?

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Well some of the Galleria is being remodeled.  But since Prime Property with the Chronicle just announced new high-end fashion/retail stores signing on in 2014 that would automatically cast some doubt on that report.  I tink what you're looking at is perhaps the fact that *some* of the Galleria will be renovated/changed to fit the new expansion aimed at the old Saks location?  Or maybe an old Macy's location?  A 30 floor residential highrise is a part of that expansion, as well as some new space for about 30 new stores.

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And just to the left of that, in same size, colors and font, it says "5: The number of grad opening nights hosted for the debut of Galleria III in 1986."

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Given the (as usual) heinous traffic of people going to the Galleria to shop for gifts that I fight every night to get home... not to mention the remodel / new openings / new hotel / new potential resi component nearby / 1M+ sqft of office space going up... I think we're ok.  ;-)

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Good grief.  Galleria III and the Galleria III Macy's (Macy's on Sage) will be torn down.  That's all.  They will be replaced by a new, larger Sak's Fifth Avenue and possibly/probably a 300 unit high-rise residential building.

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"When demolition and reconstruction of what is now the Galleria III is complete, scheduled for fall 2015, an expanded Saks flagship will open in the space now occupied by the Macy's facing Sage and other shops."

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/Galleria-project-aims-to-up-glam-factor-4788137.php

 

Yeah.  Thoroughly covered in the thread about Galleria expansions.

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Aw, no more stores in Galleria III? Glad I visited when I did. There were some dated storefronts when I went in 2008 (an old newsstand), Fox Sports Grill, Sharper Image (the biggest draws, which both left soon after my visit). Guess it wasn't meant to be.

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Did we ever figure out when they're gonna tear it down? Someone said summer but I never saw anything substantiating that claim.

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